Hey Sean, thanks for all this information you put out on propagation... If i get good at this, im going to go to my town hall with a proposal for permaculture parks or atleast park areas. We have so many parks and beaches up here that all lawn that nobody uses. Like we have one beach park that is 12 acres of lawn from shore to highway and they brag about it
DO IT!!!! So important and now is a perfect time. You can learn as you go, make mistakes and replace and have things evolve beautifully so long as it gets STARTED!
@@edibleacresoh buddy, had a good day today, sourced out about 100 feet worth of evans cherry tree, and 20 feet worth of spartan apple cuttings. How can i keep theese cuttings sound for the time being? I need to source out suitable containers before i can process and attempt to root these cuttings... I just stuck them in bucket in my cold cellar with a little water in the bottom.
lol, lawn bragging...... Here in Sweden, the municipalities have a new policy (?) of keeping pollinator areas. Which is awesome! But I do have the sense that now these places are "sacred" and no human is to go there. ...Which would bring us back to square 1. Because of course they would be perfect to mass-plant all kinds of stuff - the pollinators are already there! Of course guerilla-planting is possible, but this place is so central that people would be talking. So maybe seeding is the only option... I tried throwing sunflower seeds around randomly into the side of promenade streaks and I don't think they took. A pretty interesting idea is trying to "nativize" various plants, stuff that produce tons of seed. Like amaranth. Of course, if there can be organized planting - like you brought up - then it would be way more effective. In the case of amaranth, maybe 1 plant per 1000sq/ft. If that's done once, and it works reasonably well, then I figure they would be "native". Of course, seeds surviving the winter is a different issue...
Amazing practical video as always, thank you very much! I live in Kuwait & in 2013 I took a jet ski from failaka island to a tiny island called Miskan Island (land area about 0.75 km²) , I found a dwarf brassica specie , a single crown plant , between the size of crab apple & royal gala apple with unmistakable resemblance to sea cabbage/sea kale ! Back then I just pulled 5 or 6 plants to grow in a potting mix with 0% success! A total failure! One day , if god permits, I will go there to try again with more knowledge ... thanks again & good luck 👍
It is wonderfully amazing to see how much value you have in a small space. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and your gentle spirit with all of us. You are such a gift.
Another nice round of videos! Thanks for all the sharing! Glad your busy spring season slowed down and shared more your developments! Take care Sean and Sasha!
I bought a Carmine Jewel from Guerneys years ago and it arrived very tiny and took years to grow into anything and now at a surprising distance from the tree are more trees. It's interesting that you made this video today as I was out in the garden today thinking I should dig those volunteer trees now and put them in better locations also you have given me ideas of planting some root sections so this is great knowledge. Those Felco 2 pruners can do the dirty work and be touched up and do the fine work later on. Just like that King o Spades spade the Felco pruner is a wonderful investment. My Felco 2 was bought in the mid eightys and used a lot every years and still going strong without needing any parts, also I acquired the oversize Felco 13 that are just as good and have sheaths for both and wear them to town and everywhere during the season. Sometimes people think I'm packing heat, haven't found that necessary here on the downeast coast of Maine and as much as people moving here want to change it like where they escaped from, may this place never change.
Something to be careful with for sure. You'd want a temperature control probe in that setup to turn the lights off when the soil hits 75F or so or you could be in trouble!
LOL. My first thought at the mention of a sour dwarf cherry: Will this work on a Carmine Jewel? Sean says yes. *Me:* hoorah! Now I can get cuttings from my tree... *Sean:* Don't do this on a 1-2yr old tree, trying to get established. *Me:* Rats! Thanks for this awesome info.
@@edibleacres yeah, I totally see the logic of that and will content myself for now with the knowledge that it is possible. Another item on my future to-do list😁
I’ve read that sea kale can be a perennial down to zone 4, would this advice be true? I’m looking for all of the perennial vegetables I can grow in Southeastern Wisconsin
I would suspect that to be true if it's in a warmer microclimate, perhaps with some leaves over top in the fall. Look at Good King Henry, Turkish Rocket, Hablitzia and Nettles as definite hardy friends for ya
Howdy Mike, nice to see ya here! :) I think that is probably a 'heat tape' thing for 'hot callous grafting'. I haven't used that, but saw Akivas setup and it seems somewhat straightforward. I bet you could search for those things and find some resources. Good luck!
I have always had a hard time convincing myself to wait to propagate from a young plant. Most of the time I'll wait but on occasion I'll buy a plant knowing that I will risk the plant to be able to get many other plants from it
Do you think that root orientation has an effect on the final structural form of the tree? I have some lemon growing now that i left too long in fridge and the seedling were curled over on themselves, 3 years later the lemon trees are over three feet tall and still have that curl and twist in the bottom of the trunks
I believe so. They are ungrafted types, so pretty easy to clone once you get a feel for it. They are insanely expensive online so cracking that code to make your own copies is worth it!
So inspiring! I'm trying to root a couple of things I've failed at before (tree collard, and our native elderberry) and both are putting out lots of new leaf shoots, but I'm not seeing roots. This video makes me think it's worth trying half of them on a heat mat? Thanks!
I would suspect with what you've described you are trying to do them indoors... Too warm, as it spurs top growth before bottom growth. Cool garage with heat mat would reverse the temp states and help them focus on what they need to. Imagine fall soils, still warm from summer but with cool crisp air above to keep plants sleeping. Mimic that.
@@edibleacres Are you misting, using a watering can or just dumping? Approx 1x/week? Also do you use the same perlite year after year or do you cycle that perlite into potting mix and start new next year?
I want to make a small bottom heat propagator. I have purchased seedling heating mats in the past to boost my pepper seeds to sprout and they have all been expensive and of poor quality , lasting only 1 season even though I am careful to keep them dry and store them flat . Do you know of a better , durable heating mat? Approximately the same size as the small plastic box you showed in the video, or the size of a standard propagating flat. Thanks.
Sorry you had problems with the heat mat. We have some that have been around for quite a while and they have worked well for us. Maybe they were 'jump start' brand?
Oh, I might try that on my "older than me" old sour cherry which is slowly dying. I don't like the taste of them too much, so if it does not work, it'll be not very dramatic :D Thanx Sean!
From active growth above ground? I suspect not, but I should also be clear that I haven't tried it. Root sections are very productive in their ability to propagate so that has been enough for me....
@@edibleacres Thank you. All vermiculite also works well but is more expensive, i think. A nursery where I worked propagating herbs used 100% vermiculite.
Οne way to remember which part of the root faces upwards and which one face downwards,is to make a flat cut for the bottom part and an angled cut to the part that faces upwards.
Sharpening shovels is life. Idk why I spent my life not knowing what a wonderous asset sharpening my ground working tools can be.
I forget to do it most of the time, then I remember and spend the 30-50 seconds and then wonder why it took me 3 years to make the time to do it! !!
Now really excited about the sea kale seeds I planted!
Hope they grow incredibly for you!
Hey Sean, thanks for all this information you put out on propagation... If i get good at this, im going to go to my town hall with a proposal for permaculture parks or atleast park areas. We have so many parks and beaches up here that all lawn that nobody uses. Like we have one beach park that is 12 acres of lawn from shore to highway and they brag about it
DO IT!!!! So important and now is a perfect time. You can learn as you go, make mistakes and replace and have things evolve beautifully so long as it gets STARTED!
@@edibleacresoh buddy, had a good day today, sourced out about 100 feet worth of evans cherry tree, and 20 feet worth of spartan apple cuttings. How can i keep theese cuttings sound for the time being? I need to source out suitable containers before i can process and attempt to root these cuttings... I just stuck them in bucket in my cold cellar with a little water in the bottom.
lol, lawn bragging...... Here in Sweden, the municipalities have a new policy (?) of keeping pollinator areas. Which is awesome! But I do have the sense that now these places are "sacred" and no human is to go there. ...Which would bring us back to square 1. Because of course they would be perfect to mass-plant all kinds of stuff - the pollinators are already there! Of course guerilla-planting is possible, but this place is so central that people would be talking. So maybe seeding is the only option... I tried throwing sunflower seeds around randomly into the side of promenade streaks and I don't think they took. A pretty interesting idea is trying to "nativize" various plants, stuff that produce tons of seed. Like amaranth. Of course, if there can be organized planting - like you brought up - then it would be way more effective. In the case of amaranth, maybe 1 plant per 1000sq/ft. If that's done once, and it works reasonably well, then I figure they would be "native". Of course, seeds surviving the winter is a different issue...
Amazing practical video as always, thank you very much!
I live in Kuwait & in 2013 I took a jet ski from failaka island to a tiny island called Miskan Island (land area about 0.75 km²) , I found a dwarf brassica specie , a single crown plant , between the size of crab apple & royal gala apple with unmistakable resemblance to sea cabbage/sea kale !
Back then I just pulled 5 or 6 plants to grow in a potting mix with 0% success! A total failure!
One day , if god permits, I will go there to try again with more knowledge ... thanks again & good luck 👍
It is wonderfully amazing to see how much value you have in a small space. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and your gentle spirit with all of us. You are such a gift.
My pleasure!
Propagation is so awe inspiring!!! Just to know how easily one tree/plant can become many and feed more people is amazing to me.
Another nice round of videos! Thanks for all the sharing! Glad your busy spring season slowed down and shared more your developments! Take care Sean and Sasha!
Thanks Sean
Excellent! Thanks for the ideas for off-grid folks. I’d love to try this with sea kale.
I bought a Carmine Jewel from Guerneys years ago and it arrived very tiny and took years to grow into anything and now at a surprising distance from the tree are more trees. It's interesting that you made this video today as I was out in the garden today thinking I should dig those volunteer trees now and put them in better locations also you have given me ideas of planting some root sections so this is great knowledge. Those Felco 2 pruners can do the dirty work and be touched up and do the fine work later on. Just like that King o Spades spade the Felco pruner is a wonderful investment. My Felco 2 was bought in the mid eightys and used a lot every years and still going strong without needing any parts, also I acquired the oversize Felco 13 that are just as good and have sheaths for both and wear them to town and everywhere during the season. Sometimes people think I'm packing heat, haven't found that necessary here on the downeast coast of Maine and as much as people moving here want to change it like where they escaped from, may this place never change.
Those suckers can transplant nicely, and the roots between 'em will make for TONS more plants!
Felco 13s... Packin' the pruning heat! :) Ha!
I've been using my oil burner as a heat source. I've protected it from water. It works really well.
Great info! Thanks for sharing
Another option for bottom heat is Christmas lights set under the seedling tray! Just be sure to be in the area to keep an eye on it in case of a fire
Something to be careful with for sure. You'd want a temperature control probe in that setup to turn the lights off when the soil hits 75F or so or you could be in trouble!
Nice video, Thanks for sharing!
Brilliant! Such useful information 💚
LOL. My first thought at the mention of a sour dwarf cherry: Will this work on a Carmine Jewel?
Sean says yes.
*Me:* hoorah! Now I can get cuttings from my tree...
*Sean:* Don't do this on a 1-2yr old tree, trying to get established.
*Me:* Rats!
Thanks for this awesome info.
You could poke around a little to see if you can find a root, but really it's best to let them grow for now.
@@edibleacres yeah, I totally see the logic of that and will content myself for now with the knowledge that it is possible. Another item on my future to-do list😁
I’ve read that sea kale can be a perennial down to zone 4, would this advice be true? I’m looking for all of the perennial vegetables I can grow in Southeastern Wisconsin
I would suspect that to be true if it's in a warmer microclimate, perhaps with some leaves over top in the fall. Look at Good King Henry, Turkish Rocket, Hablitzia and Nettles as definite hardy friends for ya
EdibleAcres wonderful, thank you very much 🌿 I’ll do som research on the others
Could you do this with Blueberry bushes? Apple trees?
Darn... did my yellowhorn root fragment wrong... oh well, knew the root fragments were likely just soil amendments haha
Oh well
Very interesting video. Would this technique work for most plants or does it work for certain types of plants?
Pretty particular to certain plants, but worth experimenting a bit to learn what works.
@@edibleacres I wonder if it would work with mint. LOL. Just kidding.
Hey Sean do you know is your bottom heat bed the kind of thing that the NYNGA guy uses for nut grafting? Your friend, Mike
Howdy Mike, nice to see ya here! :) I think that is probably a 'heat tape' thing for 'hot callous grafting'. I haven't used that, but saw Akivas setup and it seems somewhat straightforward. I bet you could search for those things and find some resources. Good luck!
I have always had a hard time convincing myself to wait to propagate from a young plant. Most of the time I'll wait but on occasion I'll buy a plant knowing that I will risk the plant to be able to get many other plants from it
Yeah I hear you... Buy two and let one grow as is and squeeze plant material from the other :)
Do you think that root orientation has an effect on the final structural form of the tree? I have some lemon growing now that i left too long in fridge and the seedling were curled over on themselves, 3 years later the lemon trees are over three feet tall and still have that curl and twist in the bottom of the trunks
It can have a longer term impact, but up and down vs on side for now shouldn't be too impactful I would think...
Guess these cherry cultivars were grown from rooted cuttings at some point, to get them on their own roots?
I believe so. They are ungrafted types, so pretty easy to clone once you get a feel for it. They are insanely expensive online so cracking that code to make your own copies is worth it!
So inspiring! I'm trying to root a couple of things I've failed at before (tree collard, and our native elderberry) and both are putting out lots of new leaf shoots, but I'm not seeing roots. This video makes me think it's worth trying half of them on a heat mat? Thanks!
I would suspect with what you've described you are trying to do them indoors... Too warm, as it spurs top growth before bottom growth. Cool garage with heat mat would reverse the temp states and help them focus on what they need to. Imagine fall soils, still warm from summer but with cool crisp air above to keep plants sleeping. Mimic that.
@@edibleacres Aha! Thank you. I didn't realize that's what I was trying to mimic, that's so useful.
Do you need to water the cuttings while they're rooting?
Same question for me
Yes, but not heavily. You want moist media but not wet.
@@edibleacres Are you misting, using a watering can or just dumping? Approx 1x/week?
Also do you use the same perlite year after year or do you cycle that perlite into potting mix and start new next year?
I want to make a small bottom heat propagator. I have purchased seedling heating mats in the past to boost my pepper seeds to sprout and they have all been expensive and of poor quality , lasting only 1 season even though I am careful to keep them dry and store them flat . Do you know of a better , durable heating mat? Approximately the same size as the small plastic box you showed in the video, or the size of a standard propagating flat. Thanks.
Sorry you had problems with the heat mat. We have some that have been around for quite a while and they have worked well for us. Maybe they were 'jump start' brand?
Thanks for the info 🙂 Have you tried this with Seaberry?
I will be making a video on seaberry from root runners maybe today! Yes, kind of works, seaberry tells you when it's ready to shoot from roots...
Can this be done straight in the ground or is the bottom heat critical?
Will this work on my montmorency cherry?
I don't know
Those are usually grafted, so if it would be the rootstock if it does work
Oh, I might try that on my "older than me" old sour cherry which is slowly dying. I don't like the taste of them too much, so if it does not work, it'll be not very dramatic :D Thanx Sean!
Can you do this with a sugar maple?
How often , if ever , do you water these cuttings or bed"¿
Not super often, but whenever it starts feeling pretty dry. I like it on the less wet side generally
Can sea kale grow from stem cuttings. Have you ever tried?
From active growth above ground? I suspect not, but I should also be clear that I haven't tried it. Root sections are very productive in their ability to propagate so that has been enough for me....
Thank you. What proportions of sand and perlite? All Blessings
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Rough idea is about 50/50, maybe a bit more on the perlite.
@@edibleacres Thank you. All vermiculite also works well but is more expensive, i think. A nursery where I worked propagating herbs used 100% vermiculite.
Οne way to remember which part of the root faces upwards and which one face downwards,is to make a flat cut for the bottom part and an angled cut to the part that faces upwards.
I forgot what medium you are using in your box?
Think he said sand and perlite:)