IMHO, Dr. Kevin DeYoung is probably the brightest shining star and upcoming major Theologian rising today. His educational background, combined with his great speaking ability allows him to reach all ages. His formal educational training at the following prestigious Schools and Universities is quite impressive and admirable: Hope College, Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, the University of Leicester in England would certainly qualify him. as a learned scholar at the fresh young age of 43! No doubt our Mighty God will use this man greatly. Blessings, D.O'D. - B.A. Th.M.
The letter of the Law kills, no man can live righteously by keeping the whole law all by himself, the law instead reveals man's sin and the need they have for Christ. The Spirit gives life and so allows us to live a righteous life, through Christ-through the Gospel. However, the Spirit cannot be seperated from the Word (Eph. 5:17; Col. 3:16; John 17:17). Carefully observe the context wherein that verse, that is referenced by you, lies (2 Cor. 3) so as to keep ourselves from jumping to conclusions which weren't intended.
"We look to hear from the Spirit only in this book" 37:48 I think this sums up his position on this topic. I agree that we shouldn't EXPECT to hear from God from internal voices or dreams and visions, but I don't believe we are not allowed to hope for such things. For example, we don't expect God to heal the illness of our loved ones, but we certainly do pray and hope for miracles. Likewise, we can hope for supernatural encounters with God, although i acknowledge that there are many wrong ways to go about it, but it doesn't mean there isn't a right way to go about it. I personally have to acknowledge that visions, dreams and voices do happen. It appears in Acts, and too many extraordinary men of God throughout church history have experienced it for us to conclude such workings of the Spirit have officially ceased. From CH Spurgeon to Hudson Taylor. Even Paul Washer has had some strange experiences that def go beyond what Kevin is comfortable with based on this sermon, and Paul is extremely passionate about treating the Bible as the sole foundation of our faith. Another way to look at it is, even with the Bible, we still need preachers, we still need community to explain and to remind us of things within the Bible. And we know none of those are "adding on" to the Bible, and we don't freak out when someone says God used a friend or preacher to speak to them on some issue, or to give them some guidance or inspiration that blossom into a calling. Yet for some reformed folk, the idea of the Holy Spirit doing the exact same thing is equated with hearing extra-biblical revelation that is trying to usurp to authority of Scripture.
I loved this message. But i wonder what DeYoung would say about God sending dreams and visions to Muslims. Would he say this is not actually happening? God would not/could not work that way today? These dreams and visions do not create any of the problems that he mentions, if I understand him right. Christians who come to faith from a Muslim background, after having a dream or seeing a vision of Jesus, are NOT... 1. Not adding to the Bible. 2. Not believing in a new/different/cult-like Jesus. 3. Not saying the Bible in not sufficient. They are coming to faith this way because they are not reading or cannot read the Bible. Its not in their language or they dont have access to it. These dreams and visions ARE glorifying Christ (one DeYoung's criteria for truth) as Muslims become saved. Some, possibly many, of them would agree with Deyoung theologically, becoming reforned believers. Because God chose to reveal himself and they have come to faith this way does not make them say, "we dont need the Bible in our language or Christian missionaries. God can/will save us all the same way." In short, I dont think any of his concerns require us Christians to say, "these dreams and visions cannot be from God.
Although not written by DeYoung, here's an article that addresses this question from a "discerning, not dismissive" perspective: www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/muslims-dream-jesus/
I think that the greatest measure of whether a supposed dream led a Muslim to Christ is if they carry the marks of true conversion. I mean cessationists claim no more supernatural apostolic gifts of the Spirit. But if truly someone comes to Christ through a dream or vision, and bears good fruit, then hey we’ll accept that
@@jimrahn5569 No its certainly not normative. But we can judge a tree by its fruit. If someone comes to faith this way and years later is still living in faith and obedience and is themselves bearing fruit, sometimes at great cost, we can conclude it was God's work.
Romans 1:19 to 23 is clear on this, God has made Himself known through "His divine power and eternal nature" and these have been "clearly perceived ever since the creation of the world in the things that have been made so they are without excuse" if God is revealing Himself in dreams, why only to Muslims and not all sinners in general? Don't all sinners deserve to be saved? If there is no basis for this in scripture after the coming of Christ and specifically directed at the Apostle Paul, it is a false sign. 🙏
IMHO, Dr. Kevin DeYoung is probably the brightest shining star and upcoming major Theologian rising today. His educational background, combined with his great speaking ability allows him to reach all ages. His formal educational training at the following prestigious Schools and Universities is quite impressive and admirable: Hope College, Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, the University of Leicester in England would certainly qualify him. as a learned scholar at the fresh young age of 43!
No doubt our Mighty God will use this man greatly.
Blessings,
D.O'D. - B.A. Th.M.
Agreed. I love his teaching
Great point by a great preacher but it's a sad day when we have to be reminded of this.
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@Alejandro Francis yea, have been watching on kaldrostream for since december myself :)
@Alejandro Francis Definitely, I have been using kaldroStream for since december myself :)
The letter kills but the spirit gives life!
The letter of the Law kills, no man can live righteously by keeping the whole law all by himself, the law instead reveals man's sin and the need they have for Christ. The Spirit gives life and so allows us to live a righteous life, through Christ-through the Gospel.
However, the Spirit cannot be seperated from the Word (Eph. 5:17; Col. 3:16; John 17:17).
Carefully observe the context wherein that verse, that is referenced by you, lies (2 Cor. 3) so as to keep ourselves from jumping to conclusions which weren't intended.
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The Bible said There will be people in heaven that never heard of Jesus in the OT, AND the Bible also says to be bold with our faith!
"We look to hear from the Spirit only in this book" 37:48
I think this sums up his position on this topic.
I agree that we shouldn't EXPECT to hear from God from internal voices or dreams and visions, but I don't believe we are not allowed to hope for such things.
For example, we don't expect God to heal the illness of our loved ones, but we certainly do pray and hope for miracles. Likewise, we can hope for supernatural encounters with God, although i acknowledge that there are many wrong ways to go about it, but it doesn't mean there isn't a right way to go about it.
I personally have to acknowledge that visions, dreams and voices do happen. It appears in Acts, and too many extraordinary men of God throughout church history have experienced it for us to conclude such workings of the Spirit have officially ceased. From CH Spurgeon to Hudson Taylor. Even Paul Washer has had some strange experiences that def go beyond what Kevin is comfortable with based on this sermon, and Paul is extremely passionate about treating the Bible as the sole foundation of our faith.
Another way to look at it is, even with the Bible, we still need preachers, we still need community to explain and to remind us of things within the Bible. And we know none of those are "adding on" to the Bible, and we don't freak out when someone says God used a friend or preacher to speak to them on some issue, or to give them some guidance or inspiration that blossom into a calling. Yet for some reformed folk, the idea of the Holy Spirit doing the exact same thing is equated with hearing extra-biblical revelation that is trying to usurp to authority of Scripture.
Thank you! I've always had a problem with the ending of the Chronicles of Narnia. ... always wondered why others did not.
I loved this message. But i wonder what DeYoung would say about God sending dreams and visions to Muslims. Would he say this is not actually happening? God would not/could not work that way today?
These dreams and visions do not create any of the problems that he mentions, if I understand him right. Christians who come to faith from a Muslim background, after having a dream or seeing a vision of Jesus, are NOT...
1. Not adding to the Bible.
2. Not believing in a new/different/cult-like Jesus.
3. Not saying the Bible in not sufficient.
They are coming to faith this way because they are not reading or cannot read the Bible. Its not in their language or they dont have access to it.
These dreams and visions ARE glorifying Christ (one DeYoung's criteria for truth) as Muslims become saved. Some, possibly many, of them would agree with Deyoung theologically, becoming reforned believers.
Because God chose to reveal himself and they have come to faith this way does not make them say, "we dont need the Bible in our language or Christian missionaries. God can/will save us all the same way."
In short, I dont think any of his concerns require us Christians to say, "these dreams and visions cannot be from God.
Although not written by DeYoung, here's an article that addresses this question from a "discerning, not dismissive" perspective: www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/muslims-dream-jesus/
I think that the greatest measure of whether a supposed dream led a Muslim to Christ is if they carry the marks of true conversion. I mean cessationists claim no more supernatural apostolic gifts of the Spirit. But if truly someone comes to Christ through a dream or vision, and bears good fruit, then hey we’ll accept that
@@jimrahn5569
No its certainly not normative. But we can judge a tree by its fruit. If someone comes to faith this way and years later is still living in faith and obedience and is themselves bearing fruit, sometimes at great cost, we can conclude it was God's work.
Romans 1:19 to 23 is clear on this, God has made Himself known through "His divine power and eternal nature" and these have been "clearly perceived ever since the creation of the world in the things that have been made so they are without excuse" if God is revealing Himself in dreams, why only to Muslims and not all sinners in general? Don't all sinners deserve to be saved? If there is no basis for this in scripture after the coming of Christ and specifically directed at the Apostle Paul, it is a false sign. 🙏