ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2024
- mickmake.com/ar...
Will the new UpBoard herald in a wave of Raspberry Pi alternatives?
What is this new board like and how does it help the Maker?
Would you use it in a MAME box? Or in a super Maker project? Or just as a simple media player?
Find out in this video.
Links:
UpBoard website: www.up-board.org/
UpBoard forums: www.up-communit...
Rufus (for burning Windows image): rufus.akeo.ie/
OpenBenchmarking results comparison: openbenchmarkin...
More Info:
mickmake.com/ar...
Feedback Me:
Email: feedback@mickmake.com
Follow Me:
TH-cam: / mickmakes
Facebook: / mickmakes
Twitter: / mickmakes
GooglePlus: plus.google.co...
Pinterest: / mickmakes
Tumblr: / mickmakes
Feed: feeds.specificf...
Flickr: www.flickr.com...
Github: github.com/Mic...
Vimeo: vimeo.com/mick...
I really enjoyed this board, but a killer means a better device with the SAME price.
Your car isn't a bicycle killer...
+Mauricio Melo
No, but I know of one car that is.
\if you buy a nice bike it car cost like 5K
If you buy a crappy car for 5K
Yea it is a Bike killer
If you spent 5k on a bike, you are a money killer lol
well
I have like a 3000 bike from TREK
They are overpriced but you get what I mean
Triple CZ
The main reason for the title is that I believe that eventually boards like this will be a direct challenge to the old faithful Pi.
I've been a Pi fanboy since the very first one, but the allure of all that x86 software that the Up brings is appealing.
the production quality of this channel is really high and the format is very concise, you are doing a really good job presenting this stuff.
has answered a lot of questions for me.
+ShotgunVsHeart
Thanks very much. I'm glad you're getting a lot out of it.
Just checked the pricing for the UK: The RPi3 is £25 delivered, the UP is £114. This isn't even a remotely sane comparison.
Right?
Pi has always been aimed at programing and basic I/O controlling, and the $100 range SBCs aren't even aimed at accomplishing the same goals.
Don't forget you have to add both WiFi and Bluetooth to the UP board cost as well.
Mick, found your channel by accident, but VERY glad I did! Your reviews are very in-depth, humorous & give the exact information needed, so thank you for taking the time, effort & expense to do so!
I'm a former Network Engineer & although I owned both the RPi 1 & 2, I never really got into doing anything with them. Watching videos & such, I've become very interested & excited about trying this stuff out. I have zero electronic / circuit knowledge, so I'm literally starting from scratch. I just ordered an RPi 3 & thanks too this video the Up Board 4GB / 64GB starter kit. I also liked & subscribed to your channel. Thanks again for everything & take care!
+Magestic
Thanks very much for the great feedback.
I'm glad you're getting a lot out of my channel. The RPI is a good start and so is the UpBoard.
As a network engineer you might find this week's SBC review interesting, which contains a Broadcom switch.
mame and media server work fine with raspberry pi. in fact i have two running just those. i see no reason to triple the cost just to do the same thing
+Herbert Neal windows media center? I hope you're joking ha halibut and samba much faster
but windows
+Marco Onyxheart when you say linux these people pee themselves. must have windoze.
i could think of this as the main-component of a car-pc, i would atleast try it, if i havent build/bought mine a year ago
You've got to make your car setup modular so you can rip out the old SBC and plug in a new one easily. They don't last forever, and while it may be sufficient to get the job done, you will always crave the latest board that is just a bit faster and with more features. XD
Really interesting product. A bit pricey compared to the Pi, but much more suitable for a lot of applications.
Love the pacing of the video and the tons of raw info pumped out. I'm not that concerned that the comparison to the Pi 3 is out of range as far as money goes and it's not clickbait because he frames it with a question mark. Thanks Mick! Keep up the good work.
+scrammy69
Thanks mate. Glad you appreciate it!
G'Day Mick! Just wanted to say thanks for the excellent review! I'm new to the sbc format and found your insight very helpful.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
- Dave (from Perth WA)
+DumbSkippy
No problems, mate. Glad you found it helpful.
Ah it's $89 so nearly 3 times as much as the Pi 3, I don't think you be seeing it's obituary any time soon.
I was about to say, look on eBay. Lots of great pcs for cheap.
Not at the same physical size with low power consumption and GPIO pins you won't.
Alex Atkin Sure. But for what it can do, not worth it.
Michi Lo You still seem to be missing the point. That if you need x86 software compatibility or a faster CPU than Pi 3 but also GPIO pins and/or direct compatibility with Pi hardware. There really isn't much alternative to this.
+Alex Atkin Odroid C2 and XU4 are less expensive and perform just as well or better in some areas.
well... good job comparing a 65 dollar difference
Thank you for the review. The fact that the Raspberry Pi has an ARM SoC, always leaves desires for more software. I am so getting this thing.
Again, thank you!
+Andreas Brandenborg
A pleasure.
One of the best product reviews I've seen so far. Great balance of technical info and humor. Great video!
Thanks. Glad you found it helpful.
Wifi module would be nice on the next version
A MicroSD slot for storage would be better for the next version
I'm glad there's competition in the RPi space. Competition is always a good thing. Plus, this thing being able to run Windows might give it a chance. Unfortunately the price pushes it out of competition with the Raspberry Pi. $40 is just about impulse-buy territory. $90 for the base model Up Board means you better have something in mind for it.
Regardless, cool piece of kit and I hope the competition and innovation never stops.
It is a nice SBC. The next generation is even better.
MickMake I hope as the company grows they can figure out a way to compete on price. Like I said, $35-40 is much easier to swallow than $90, especially for a piece of tech that will be considered non-essential for the majority of people buying it. Spec bumps will have a hard time justifying a jump in price that big, especially when the RPi 3 is so capable already.
Still, though, glad to see competition. Competition is always a good thing in tech.
Thanks Mick.Your reviews are spot on an much appreciated. I was a C.h.i.p. backer so I am keen to see you break it down from a makers perspective.
Excellent! Have you got yours yet?
Yep ! I got mine a couple of weeks ago. Are you still waiting?
It actually arrived earlier in the week, but I didn't get a chance to go pick it up.
That 'get up' scene was gold! Loved it!
Thanks mate
You really can't compare this to the Pi 3 - The x5 cpu gets Passmark score of about 1700 points, which puts it in the range of one of the early quadcore cpus from the late 2000's.
I think you need the CHIP next.
You just went on 100 bucks, why not have a 10 dollar computer for fun.
+Fat Cat some will see that as important. not me.
+Modelmat yeah with emulation
Nope, it doesn't work that way. Pi has an ARM CPU, DOS is x86 compatible. So you have to use an emulator.
+Modelmat since when has Dos and Windows 3.1 been compiled to run natively on ARM ? oh that's right it hasn't, thats why you need to run them under an x86 emulator. and then it will be slow as a slug.
+laur well there was Dos that was compiled to run natively on non x86 CPU (Z80 as example, and maybe a few others). it won't run x86 software like games or windows or other x86 software.
Loved the "Why don't you just get up?" joke! That's exactly how the conversation with my wife would go! lol
It was corny but I still laughed.
That's because corny jokes are funny. No matter what anyone says :)
pretty good, although you have to remember guys, the pi has been in this race a LOT longer and is cheaper, the bugit limit is $35 per board, so x86 won't make it onto the pi, also arm seems to be fast enough for 90% of the things that i can do over remote desktop.
Yes true. A lot of boards will be struggling to catch up.
It's good, but can it run Crysis ?
+TasmDevil1
Ha ha!
Seriously though, you should try it just for the fun.
Added to the list for the review update.
+MickMake thanks you!
will it run minecraft?
8 min into video and i have purchased one
+dontwanttosignupok
Idiot should really keep his opinion to himself, if he can't come up with any facts to support his opinion. This board is real kicker for it's price. For engineers like myself, who builds all kinds of stand alone and self-service devices that requires compact and efficient SoC board to run user interfaces and stuff, this x86 and Windows compatible board for this price is simple blessing. So please do everybody a favour and shut the f*ck up, mkay?
+Artūrs Savickis thankyou. i have a raspberry pi as well. i like to test alot of different items like this and see what is best for the aplication
+dontwanttosignupok go back to the dark hole where you crawled out from
the price tag is what makes the pi king of the hill. They really nailed it with Pi 3. I've never been so happy to get a wireless lan and bluetooth in a computer ever.
Yes, same with me. However, it all depends on what you want to do with your SBC.
Did you get this as a review demo unit or where you able to purchase it?
I was a Kickstarter backer. I think they'll be shortly fulfilling requests from their shop, but they've had some problems getting more stock. So it might take a while.
+MickMake ok thank you
Pi is all about low cost this is good yes but not even close to beating the Pi 3
my right ear really enjoyed this...
Yes left ears have more fun in later videos.
"I didn't see a difference between this and my MAC" - yes, the same thing but a tiny bit cheaper and less shinier.
EDIT: I'm editing my original post on this because I did it in haste. For the price of an intel cpu based motherboard capable of running full versions of standard operating systems, this is a great inexpensive tool for learning IT with. For simpler projects the PI is terrific but for a cheap solution to learning multiple server/pc configurations this takes the cake. On with my unnecessary original comments:
3x the cost of a pi? i think i like the pi better. whats the use of that much power for that size unit based on programs and uses. 1.2ghz arm cpu with 1gb ram suits just fine. up's just an overkill with too many resources wasted. $36 gourmet pi for me. happy thanksgiving
+Michael Destein
Yup, I have 6 of them humming away here. It really depends on what you want to use it for. The Up is great for certain things and so is the Pi.
MickMake you know what though..if the upboard can run windows server (ill look into it) it could be useful for learning multiple microsoft server setups and load balancing and other stuff like that on the cheap and without taking up a lot of space.
The benefits are outstanding although I note the price and lack of internal wifi and bluetooth (extra cost) and applicability as a full computer, like with it's own display and keyboard/mouse, which is more cost. There are different types of people. Hard-core computer types want more power to do more things. But even some of us like the feeling of elegant minimization. For example, a personal VPN on a $9 C.H.I.P. has more meaning than the same on a $35 RPI (ok,, you don't need the wifi RPI, so less) or $100 UPB, if it does the job. And look at how many maker projects are headless. I can't wait to see your take on the C.H.I.P.
Yup, I agree. People like different things. Choice is great!
If you want to check out my take on the CHIP, then head on over to th-cam.com/video/Z6dvOvcMbgo/w-d-xo.html
Interesting board but definitely way too expensive. For less than $70 I can buy DualBoot tablet with decent FullHD screen (including Win10 license). Of course there are no GPIOs pins available easy way. But for such applications it is easier to use simple and cheap Arduino or STM32 controlled via serial from any STB. For me personally the best performance/price STB is Orange Pi PC. It is fast, well equipped but cheap and now with quite good support from the community.
How much to add GPIO over USB though?
When I looked it worked out more expensive. It also doesn't have the benefit of size and fitting standard Pi hats.
Most tablets usually only have one USB port charging and OTG, so you can't have it run off mains AND use GPIO at the same time, that's a huge problem.
I have an Asus T100 and would love to use it with GPIO in tablet mode, but I would have to hack a second USB port as its part of the keyboard dock.
interesting nickname.
Omg I can't stress it enough DONT buy a dual boot tablet you are better off getting just a windows 10 tablet or a android tablet
It's so easy to add a USB sound output dongle, if sound is really a requirement. It's nice to have on the Pi3, but just a minor inconvenience to add it to an UP
What did you mean with "once it gets corrupted you can't use it anymore"? You mean the flash storage on the board has no error correction/detection and is simply dead completely after corrupting?
+EpicLPer
I was referring to the fact that eMMC is a lot like SD flash. They don't last through a lot of writes and they weren't intended to be used for OS storage.
Since eMMC is often soldered to the board once they have enough corruption they become useless in practice.
But the good old UpBoard can boot off anything so it's not so much of an issue for that SBC.
I'd actually rather it have an micro SD card slot. but it looks like a good piece of gear. And a good option for somebody that needs more than a Pi 3 can deliver. Hell I'm thinking about getting one of these for a retro game cabinet.
+hallis1
Sounds great! I didn't test audio out, but o believe that is having the same issue as the I2C and SPI busses. It won't be long, Christmas holidays are on us when a lot of coders will get onto it.
Oh no doubt. I just started a 2 week vacation so i've got plenty of time, FINALLY, to work on some little tech projects here at home. Some involving a Pi2, a Pi3, etc. Not maker stuff but using them as low power optional replacements for some server style applications i'm using old i7 machines for right now.
If you can still run ARM - there is one other board that is well supported and about as fast as the UPboard but has the micro SD slot and one additional USB3 -- Hardkernel's ODROID-XU4; 2 GHz Cortex-A15 (60% faster per clock and 60% faster clocks = ~ 2.6x faster CPU than Pi 3), 2GB RAM. It costs $74 for board and PSU; add $27 for 16GB eMMC or just use a SD card.
I've looked at the XU4 as well. Trying to see if I can pick one up second hand on the cheap.
hallis1 get the Z83ii which is still on sale from gear best. I was going to buy the odroid xu4 as I needed more power than the Pie but then saw that one on sale and jumped on it. It is great!
I think all these CC sized boards are missing the point of the Raspberry Pi, Low Cost and Low power. $30 vs $99, 2A vs 4A recommended power (2.5A for the Pi3 with WiFi and BT).
Still a very interesting board nonetheless.
I see it from a little different angle. Though I agree.
There are different boards that are all very well suited to certain projects. It isn't likely that only one of any of these will be needed. So buy the one that best suits the project and price point.
It depends on what you need, anyone looking for a backup PC should be looking at the more powerful versions.
MsSomeonenew
Not really. I wouldn't mind something more powerful then my pi 3 though. It can't play youtube videos very well. Not worth the money for a fully capable PC if it will spend most its time in storage.
Last time I brought my pi out was when the power was out. I have a small battery backup for my PC. it was enough to keep my pi, modem, and monitor running. I think a regular computer might draw to much power. The monitor was drawing way to much as it was.
I live off a fixed income (One months income for me is about a weeks income for most other people around here.) I can't really justify it. The cost to usefulness ratio of a fully capable backup PC isn't enough. This thing doesn't need to be fully able to run everything my current PC does. Just be able to access the internet so I can get the parts I need to replace. Being able to use it when the power is out or to edit/read documents is nice to.
I could always use a public computer. Always remembering how my friend's e-mail accounts send me spam after they logged into a public computer around here. Public computers really aren't something to trust with account information around here.
+Red Bird
You've hit the nail on the head there! Makers need options, and frankly the more boards that hit the market with differences such as x86 architecture opens up more opportunities for the Maker.
You'd think that with dozens of boards with the title of "Pi killer" that the Raspberry Pi wouldn't be around any more.
+Alex Flockhart
For some people, yes. It just depends on your project needs.
Good on them for having a proper coaxial power connector instead of the usual poxy micro USB socket.
+Jonathan Warner
Yup, a lot more boards are coming out with D.C. Jacks these days, which is nice.
RPi killer? Nope... $169 VS $35...
dude.... you understand that in AU/NZ there is no pi 3 for 30 bucks... are you comparing US price to the rest of the world? because ive heard a lot of people from the USA dont seem to think a world outside the states exists.... just say'n...
The cheapest I can get an RPi3 in Oz is for AU$56. The UPboard would cost me AU$140.
Yes it is more expensive, but as I said in my video: I'm looking at the bank-for-your-buck. The Intel CPU opens up a lot more software opportunities, and boards like these are competing directly with the Pi.
At the end of the day it all depends on what you want to use it for, but the more we see boards like this, the more it will eat into the Raspberry pie.
i like this guy
+Sarah kerr
Thanks!
what about 100 dollar buying 10$ computer and cluster them and you got an own 100$ computer!
me too. he cuts through the bullshit and gets right to the point.
mrpixelptlk
Thanks mate. That's the goal of my channel.
Great, very helpful and professional (and funny) review!
the dyson hair dryer would do a nice job at cooling
your son made me visit, he knows a very good friend of mine
often heard about the raspberry pi on 2GB, never knew about this kickstarter one
+leokimvideo
It actually cooled the board nicely.
Thanks for checking it out, mate. Yup, he told me he met you the other day and were talking about trains. :-)
100$ pi killer, nice clickbaitinng dude.
I'd does everything I wish the raspberry pi did. I would get one if I had the spare cash because it's worth having the freedom granted by this new board.
It can't be a pi killer unless it competes at the same price point, which was the OP's point. It is a fancier pricier alternative to pi, not a pi killer.
I hear the words "pi killer" all the time. But if it doesnt have good software support, a good community and close to the same price point, it isnt killing the Pi.
You dont have a spare 100 dollars? That's sad dude.
Not to throw them into the garbage disposer. My Pi's are doing a damn fine job 24/7 for a few years now. If you want to use them as mediacenter the newer version have way more power at the old proice point which is half of this "pi killer". If you can double the price where is the fucking limit?
Are IBM Mainframes now considered pi killers because the have at least 10 intel xeon CPU's? Well they certainly have better software support then this thing here.
Beginning of the video I was like "yeah yeah yeah... Same old pi clone shit" as soon as the guy said "Intel CPU" I started listening for real
That's exactly what I thought when I was looking at the Kickstarter campaign.
I thought some Atom processors were arm. For example the one in the Asus Zen pad.
rimmersbryggeri nop Intel doesn't make ARM architecture, intel always has and will continue to make x86 architecture CPU. if you take a look at AMD K1 and Intel 486 DX2 days you will know intel will never stray from what they are making no matter the cost.
Rounak Dutta
Ok I see. I guess it should be possible to use windown on the zenpad then since it has an atom processor. I don't know that I think it seems to work much better than any phone with ARM I have had though.
rimmersbryggeri in theory yes, some people have run Windows on a Zenphone 2. However running Windows natively on a zenphone or any zen product is next to impossible.
It's been said before, but let me toot your horn a bit more: not only is the content of your channel on point, but you maintain a great level of production quality. Keep doing what you're doing and I'd bet you'll blow up.
+James Thomas
Thank you very much for that feedback. I appreciate it.
This would be ideal to fit into the expansion bay of a Tandy 1000 HX, while being able to keep the original Tandy fully functional. The hardest part would be making the original keyboard work for both. The keyboard controller is on the Tandy's main board, with a ribbon cable between. That makes it easily accessible to connect to a switch matrix to USB HID keyboard adapter. The "How do I do this?" part would be switching the keyboard from one to the other.
+Gregg Eshelman
I'd like to see that up and running!
Ah! The old Tandy 1000! I stupidly threw mine out many years ago. I don't know what possessed me to do that.
I'd be happy to sell the Tandy to someone to hack into a dual system. Then it could play Thexder on the original hardware and with the flip of a switch, on the Tand-Em T1000/PCjr emulator. This HX is a base model, no upgrades or expansions. I've had it for years, never used it except shortly after getting it I hooked it up to a composite monitor and turned it on. My location is Weiser, Idaho.
Gregg Eshelman
Mate, now you're really tempting me! Although shipping to Australia might be costly.
Over priced for the hardware.
this cost us$99, I prefer a AMD 5350 a bit more expensive but more complete and powerfull machine, If i need a little pc i prefer the Raspberry pi 3 for us$35
But the whole point is its physical size and things like GPIO, neither of which favours the 5350 as you are talking at LEAST ITX size.
Exactly, I run AMD 5350 with 16 GB DDR, two SSDs on two 27+29" monitors and it simply run as absolutely quiet machine. Pi is the best for experimenting (I owe Pi1-3). And I dont see any advantage for this Up, for desktop its too less memory and power and the price is high. Maybe as the terminal, but simply pi cost 3* less... and if you wanna pay 100 USD you may buy normal PC a 5350 with same TDP and compute power in sky.
Jaromír Adámek I will repeat again, if you want the CPU power AND GPIO, there are NO alternatives in this price range.
Even if you underclocked a 5350, you won't get its power consumption down as low as the ITX board itself will use a couple of watts. That's the whole point of these Atom SoC.
if u want just more CPU power and same connectives , there are several alternatives such as odroid C2 , nano PI M3 or le maker guitar.
if u want to run on x86 architecture , there are lattepanda and udoo x86 but first suffer heat issues and second seems a virtual concept at this time( no unboxing)
Theres going to be a new UP Board Kickstarter for a new version of the UP Board :)
+Oblivifrek
Yup, I'm aware of that. ;-)
9:51 "Whiffy"
There goes my drink.
Sorry, it's the way I've said it for years.
think it kinda misses the point of the Pi.
It really depends on what your goals are. Having an x86 based architecture opens up another world of possibilities that aren't available on the Pi.
For example robotics would be a heavy user of the UpBoard.
I still like the Pi. In fact I like anything that fulfils the need perfectly... Whatever it is.
Would have been more credible without the biblcal reference..
hahahahaha I see what you did there.... stop it you hahaha
It's cool but the increased power requirement makes it less useful for battery powered projects imo.
I'll probably buy one. one, I have 12 raspberry pi boards now. it's cool but it's not pi competitor. pi is cheap enough to use for projects where it's practically disposable. I have an a+ with a camera mod out in a tree in the back yard. the only thing expensive is the solar panel It's hooked to.
Love that old Sun ethernet cable, I used to have a desk full of them.
Oooo x86 CPU. I like!
Add thunderbolt to one of these and a good quad-core processor for the world's smallest gaming rig!
i thought that too would be awesome
Wouldn't even need thunderbolt to make it good...
+Allen S okayva 1070m integrated graphics chip.
+Tanner Sims nvidia tesla integrated"
+Jonzin Gaming eww.
If you are just doing desktop and media stuff when pick up something like an ASRock Beebox, but if you are actually going to use the headers for control as a main usage and need more signal processing then this looks like a good option.
+Lee Gibson
Yup,the new Up looks even better!
Very similar to the Latte Panda which I Kickstarted, except that comes with W10 by default & has a built-in Arduino. Been very happy with it, too, running Doom 3 BFG on a 5" widescreen LCD over HDMI. I really like Intel SoCs making their way into hobby boards like these!
Absolutely!
WOW you need a pop filter.
+hellcat1988
Yes. I've made one now. So next video. No pops!
Too much "pop"-"pop" in mic. Use Pop-filter.
Yes, sorry, but I have one now! So no more headaches.
Watch last video. Yes, better now.
Shadow FlameWind
Yup, thanks.
I got the up board a few days ago and I am impressed, it is running Windows 10 so I can install my custom software that I create! I am very happy with it however it remains to be seen if it will be fast enough for my needs. I'll need a good fan for the heat sink as this thing gets really hot at idle.
Yup they can get pretty hot and the CPU will scale back when it does.
Oh hell yes, finally I can play old games on a small device with proper input. It's worth it even for that.
It *should* be able to run older versions of Windows if you're into retro PC games, but YMMV with device drivers. This is one very attractive aspect of the Up for some people.
MickMake I'm not sure it's necessary for what I want but who knows. Last time I played Diablo 2 was on windows 7. But I have a good feeling 10 can run it too.
Can you talk a lot slower !
+gary fletcher
I can! Check out my more recent videos where I've learnt to slow down.
i actually just bought a pi 3 and am going to create a portable gaming machine, but next time i decide i want a pocket pc, i definitely will keep this in mind, thanks for letting me know about it :)
No problem.
The backers were offered double ram for free... after giving them money first. You see how that doesn't make sense?
lol I love this guys reviews. he always comes on looking like he just woke up out bed. then goes into a long rambling speech of tons nerd facts about the item lol! But it's everything clear as day to the point and exactly what ya want to know. another great review!
+Rich Morgenstein
Thanks mate.
+Rich Morgenstein
You've given me another idea for a gag.
RPi killer for $100? Please! That price tag is the exact thing Raspberry Pies are so yummy and popular!
Yes, but sometimes you need something different when the humble Pie doesn't fill you up.
Brilliant! Thanks for the heads "UP"! Been looking for something of this caliber to install an algo trading software into the CPU - defeating latency - with an HFT upgradable platform.
Excellent!
looks like a pretty nice board. I am beginner with those kinds of computers. I ordered the pi3 but I checking out others too. But this one seems to be quite fancy and its power and support for basicly any software makes it very attractive. :-)
+Trust Me Im A Jedi
Yup. Since it's essentially a desktop PC it makes things a lot easier for those just starting out.
The UP BOard - THe Raspberry Pi Killer... more than a year later : How's than goin?
+John Titor
Mine's going really well! But so are all the other boards I've reviewed.
Did you read 105K - 150K?? :) (at ~1:03)
This not only will not kill RPi, but will in fact fight to survive couple of generations. There is way to many boards now, and RPi is clear leader, first because of price and secondly, thanks to HUGE community support.
This board sure can do stuff RPi was not meant to do, but at the same time is too close to modern day computer, which is just bit more expensive and comes with much more. (~150-200 bucks for laptop )
UDOO X86 claims to be 10X more powerfull, but is at the same time 4-5 times more expensive....
ARM performances better on certain benchmark because of the risk architecture.
When a program uses more complex cpu instructions, the intel CPUs blows away ARM. Even with watt/performance
+bonnome2
Yes true. Personally I prefer RISC as it leads to much simpler silicon, but code will be much larger. CISC will often be faster especially taking into account instructions like memory copy.
The CISC vs RISC debate has always been hot.
My question is it powerful enough to use as a Carputer Tuner. For example I want to have an onboard AEM Tuner machine in my race car with say a 15-17" laptop monitor or portable monitor.
+AR TAUER
I wouldn't be able to tell you. All I know is that dynamic ECU tuning would require more of an RTOS. Possible with Linux.
The Up architecture is certainly a lot better than Rpi3 so possibly could be fast enough.
Is completely normal that a 40$ microPC is better than a 99$ one, as an alternative to bring more power to a rashpi project is almost perfect, but more expensive
Now that they're bringing out a new one, really hope they drop the price of the current one a bit.
one thing I have really been looking out for ever since it had been released is a samsung exynos based board. This looks promising, however it is still a bit much to swing any pi fans over right away. if it drops in price I will take a look... but by the time it does there will probably be another board out.
I keep hearing Hate Sink ...
Sorry but I couldn't help to mention that it reminds me of Dolores Umbridge (:
@MickMake Just wanted to let you know this video is playing in mono.
+Anime Reviews
Yup, I had some problems with audio on my earlier videos. It's all been fixed now. Both ears will be able to enjoy the experience just as much.
oh, I think it's not just a little bit expensive than pi...quadruple price, but it's a good thing
Nice video! I like the humor that you added to introduce the "Up" board!
I like that the board comes with a heat sink. Many Pi users don't think it's needed, but if you do anything CPU intensive, the ARM chips on the Raspberry Pi just slow down. .. I run BOINC projects, so I'm hitting the CPU at 100% 24/7 and "slowing down" would be counterproductive!
Maybe someday, someone will develop a graphics hat that will have a GPU with many cores that BOINC projects can access!
I can see a big advantage of going Intel over ARM, as you discuss! This is an important point. This would make computing more portable between platforms: small device >> Notebook >> Desktop >> Server. (Fans of ARM might not like that!)
Sounds like "Up" understands that "support" is critical to their adoption & success!
Thanks mate! I just can't help myself.
As for the Up; this is one company that understands the full End2End cycle of product development. They also are listening to the market to size up what is needed.
It is a shame that a non-RISC based CPU is coming up with the goods for ProMakers and this board really is for ProMakers.
Just like ASUS Tinker Board for $60, this is in the hybrid emulator/mini-basic-PC group, no longer in the emulator-only group like PINE A64 and Raspberry Pi 3. So... it all comes down to your needs, with better parts and performance obviously costing more.
So what does anyone think about MAME cabinets? I'm planning on building one, and is this thing really that much better for MAME than a Pi 3? I thought that RetroOS or whatever it's called is supposed to be incredibly smooth on the Pi?
I haven't run MAME for years, but I believe the Pi can run almost all games with the exceptions being the ones with a lot of emulated hardware and higher end graphics. EG: A lot of those boxing/fighting games that seemed to crop up in the late 80s. Sigh.
A quick google and there seems to be retropie.org.uk/, www.recalbox.com/ and piplay.org/ now.
RetroPie has a compatibility list: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IRSmFrSDvIc6gAw0gn12TcQ3HDOwmrETTor8wvvb7VI/edit#gid=1947139826
And something from PiPlay forum: piplay.org/forum/discussion/300/list-of-mame-roms-that-work-with-pimame/p1
Basically YMMV with MAME on Pi. I guess it comes down to: Try it on the Pi, if it doesn't work then you might have to get a faster SBC, or even a desktop.
For the same price you can buy a latte panda with more storage and windows 10 on it. For $79, you get a latte panda without windows: 2gb of DDRL 3, 32gb emmc, Z8300 atom quadcore...
loved that little skit at the start xD
People, the Pi3 is, with all the kit a $100. I am yet to see a Pi3 for $35. It's $50 to $60 on its own.
If you go for the UP then go for the 4Gb version to warrant the cost. Personally, $149us for a 4gb RAM is worth it. Not to forget the Intel cpu.
This board came out at about the same time as the"Pi-Top CEED" how about looking at a combo of the two together now and giving that a "Bang per Buck" rating , you could include a keyboard and mouse for comparison to a Comparably priced laptop.
I should really revisit the UpBoard. This review was done more than a year ago, so it’s about time.
I would like to see the LattePanda Board also tested.
I wonder how long it will be before we get something like based on the AMD A10-7800.
At around 3 times the price, it fills a different overall purpose than the RPi. Nice board, but very different overall goal.
Yes, and this is something that I should have made clearer in my video. This does fill a need. It just depends on what your need is.
+MickMake Of course, and to be frank, if I wanted a smoking fast mini computer, this would be it ... I may get one just to say I did - but I could use (and justify) three RPis to myself a lot easier for the price ;)
Great video BTW! Must ... See ... More ...
Thanks mate.
I was a little delayed with this week's video as I was making sure audio balance was right. Once I get into the process of that I'll be faster.
No normal USB 3.0, DC power jack rather than a USB one, and the price difference. If it was 2.4 amp standard mini usb + usb 3.0 full size and priced closer to 70 bucks for 2gb ram or more I'd be all for that. Definitely interesting... Hopefully version 2 hits a few more of my wants.
loved the intro, short, sweet, and ended with a pun :) but aside from that, great explanation of the board. Makes me think twice about buying a raspberry pi!!
+Ryan O'Connor
Thanks for the great feedback.
The Up is more expensive, so it really depends on why you want to use it for, but it's a great little board.
Your wife is an epic straight-man to your cheesy jokes. Much laughter. Regards to her.
Thanks. I've trained her well. :-D
Great video Mick. I'm just now learning about the UP board (thanks by the way!) and only recently purchased my first Raspberry Pi. The official website for the UP board mentions compatibility with all Windows 10 distros; is this limited to Win10 IoT, or actual, full distributions of Windows?
If the latter is the case, this seems like it would be a great little PC for streaming games with Steam. I'm seeing all sorts of possibilities here.
It's essentially a desktop PC, but a whole lot smaller. So it'll run any major O/S out there, (barring graphics, sound and network drivers).
I'm no gamer, so not sure if it'll be ideal for Steam.
I agree with the others that almost the whole point of the Pi is its price. Not many will toss a $99 SBC to a 7 year old without worries that they'll lose or damage it. However, the UP board, if you are right about there being source available for everything, would make for the best OS development board I've ever come across. If you want to develop an OS that might eventually run on a broad range of hardware, going for x86-64 is a no-brainer. I've always wanted to develop a toy OS for an Intel system but everything I found always came up short in some regard. Either it wasn't 64-bit (64 bit is pretty much the end of the road. Why would you bother with 32 when you know you'll just have to upgrade it if it turns into anything serious?) or significant parts of the hardware were walled off or it didn't have UEFI or it was big, hot, noisy, expensive, power-hungry, etc. Just a simple 'everything is here, everything is at the current level of technology, if you write for this you're not guaranteed to have to scrap huge portions of it if you want to show it to someone else'. And yes, you could use a VM. But there will always be gaps. Plus, it is a million percent cooler to have your code twiddling the bits on real hardware.
I believe there's always a hole to be filled somewhere.
Will x86 boards challenge the Pi? Who knows? It was after all an open ended question.
Intel, (with the Galileo series), is about the only company I can think of who realise what's required to challenge the Pi - Education and Community.
All it requires is some of these companies to think that way and we'll see Pi priced x86 boards everywhere. Once that happens all we'll have is a bucket load more options. Excellent!
this may make a better F@H stack than a bunch of Pie3 units. Not crazy powerfull, but should be fun.
There's a better option. Check out this week's video once I have finished uploading.
+MickMake hi, in your opinion, wich is the best between the up board and Lattepanda?
+paolo ponzano
I haven't had a chance to look at the LattePanda so can't really comment. I'll be getting one soon.
+MickMake thank you c:
My problem with this board is that in the nicest sense, it seems to have stolen most of the pi. Basically, same footprint, same pcb design: Gpui, usb, Ethernet, HDMI. It's main selling point is "better than the pi" which at its price is rather debatable as the pi isn't designed as a pc but as a board to do awesome stuff with. I honestly don't foresee people putting one of them in a Tupperware box and throwing it into the sea on a rope for some photos whereas they would and have with the cheaper pi. And oh goody, it has an intel core. Perfect for... Um.. Prototyping circuits? At a loss on that one if you're going for the same idea as the pi. Did I mention the "cheap" price?
The answer to the "killer" title question lies in how the SBC fulfills your project requirements. For me, (and some others), it's a killer.
I can use 2 of these to replace a 4 Pi cluster. Then I can use the Pis for other projects I've planned.
If you are looking at the price per performance of the Up vs Pi, then check this benchmark out: openbenchmarking.org/result/1608052-HA-1608034HA54
However, if you are looking at the big picture, then it's not a Pi killer, because they haven't entered the education market. *This* is where the Pi has it's roots, and nothing will shake it unless they also enter the education market.
Anyway... Ultimately, there's no need to do this. The Maker just ends up with more options, and choice is good!
The 60 frames per second on GLXGears was because of v-sync (I think). Disable it to get the real FPS.
Yes, added that one to the blunder video. :-)
You can buy a Orange Pi and a Pop Filter and keep the spare change
+David Garaekz
Yup. Ordered an Orange Pi for review and made my own pop filter. Check the recent videos as I think I'm getting better at audio during post.
Hello
Do you have benchmarks for Cad software like Archicad, Autodesk, Sketchup...? Do you think it would work fair enough with 2D/3D editing software (basic skills)
I don't, but it'd be fairly speedy. You could compare some of the graphics benchmarks with other boards, though.
Actually it is called UP2 (superscripted 2). It's still not out yet but getting close.
Came here just to see people get salty for someone saying Raspberry Pi killer and judging the price differences.
+Sir-Red
Good that I didn't even mention the price then!
MickMake doesn't stop the salt though, will always have that. Good comments to read for a laugh though, I'll give them that.