World of Warcraft is Perfectly Balanced
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Bit of a slowdown with videos recently as I've been handling some life stuff - should pick up the pace soon here though. Got a Shadowlands video for you next
Take care of yourself. Don't worry to much about the videos. They're worth the wait.
I still love the content man, keep the quality and don't rush yourself!
hope you are good man, care about yourself first.
Keep it up and take care of yourself. Your health and sanity come first, then making us laugh and etc comes second; lol. Thanks again for such a great and relatable video!
You have life stuff still after hitting grand Marshal?! *shocked*
"Blizzard would balance chess if they could"
Karazhan: Have you forgotten so soon?
hhahahaa
I do wonder what chess would be like if you only had queens...who could also move like a knight can.
Balancin chess omfg xDDDD nerf queen pls
Balance doesn't mean ruining game mechanics, the chess game is already well balanced lol.
Why few people understand this simple concept?
Karazhan chess was very imbalanced, also Medivh cheated
Blizzard: "We don't want players to make choices to break tier set bonuses."
Also Blizzard: "One of the major RPG elements of a game is player choice, and those choices should have consequences, and that's where Covenants come in."
Absolutely ridiculous
Also Blizzard: "Let's make this one hero a must pick for like 2 years but as soon as someone else gets the spotlight let's nerf them into the ground"
omg do you know how many times they did stuff like that? "We're getting rid of this" in the next breath "We're doing this to bring that back."
Also Blizzard: Let's make the new expansion as close to a Mobile game as possible. Hail China!
"almost as depressing as my voice" - don't say that, madseason!
it's true :'( sry MadSeasonShow . I almost killed myself after the video, if it wasn't for the good content ;)
Fuck I love MSS and his self-saddistic sense of humor.
"Almost as depressing as my voice." I lol'd
the sad part is: MadSeason made it, asmon will react to it, but blizzard won't listen.
Nobody respects youtubers 👎
Then bellular makes a almost 30m video claiming that "blizz listened"
@@raishisou They do listen, it's the thing, but they don't give a fuck a lot of times
It's been better recently, they even accepted to pull the blug on the covenant changes in shadowlands if everyone's mad about it at release ... With classic still alive, they do take a tiny bit of inspiration from it ...
Right now i'm just hoping they roll BC asap, so they geet more feedback on the "classes can suck at something, as long as they bring something different, it's fine", and then design bosses around that so we get varied raids
Asmongold would react to a paper bag if a dog asked him to.
@@crysosisback7115 BC...jeez, give it a BC'n break already, at the very least wait till phase 6 before you wet yourself in anticipation of that hot mess. TY
The "Breastfeeding your 30 year old child" should have shown a picture of Homelander haha.
That would have been 👌
That mad cat controller analogy awakened some painful childhood memories. Those controllers were the very definition of "you get what you pay for".
I love how people knew exactly what they were getting into and yet they're complaining about things that are never gonna change.
They long for the nostalgia of simplicity with their WoW experience. Now when everyone can know everything about the game and the min maxing stuff, people realise how bad Classic is. They just know and see the imperfection now, unlike back in the days.
agreed
What it really is is people talking about what makes the game good and giving feedback to help Blizz make the game better. If you are complaining about something you are invested in it and in the case of WoW, its financial and emotional.
That's true, back in the day only few people knew about strats and knew how to really play, and obviously I didn't back then, I was young, and couldn't care less about being the best, I just liked killing things and was never doing raids.
Probably from most of the dumb ass private server people making videos about how meme specs are viable
Holy shit. I died when you made the "Another turtle made it to the water" reference.
Same here, burst out laughing. :)
I was on my way to do this exact quest, made me sad.
What timestamp?
Loved it. The music in this was just brilliant with your nostalgic but fair view point! Keep up the good work!
"Doing raids that are as easy as your mom" FATALITY
I died laughing at this especially being able to hear the smirk on his face while seamlessly continuing the script. So awesome
The 8-bit Falco Amadeus music :'D
ty ty couldn't place the tune was melting my brain ;)
I came for this comment. I see you are a man of culture as well.
Come and rock me amadeus
Regarding definition of fair: As a player who can only spend so much time playing, I just have to say:
.......wait for it.....
...I totally couldn't possibly agree more. I enjoy walking into an RPG and seeing folks who can smoke me in a half second wondering around. It gives me something to strive for, it gives me something to look forward to (if I end up getting to put in the time). I have people in my FC (sorry, my FFXIV is showing) that are extremely powerful characters whom I will likely never catch up to. But you know what, I love looking over their characters and asking them questions about how I can get just a smidge of their power.
It's how I am in real life too. I also happen to play the guitar and, often enough, I spend time online watching other guitarists play just to remind myself there's always room for improvement and something else to try to do. It makes it interesting! It makes life interesting!
Part of me wonders if it's just part of being older. In school you're generally told that 100% is attainable on all assignments and, frankly, that's where you really ought to be at. Real life.........eh, not so much. I'm a computer programmer. I'm probably 50th percentile in my field or something like that, but you know what? I still get my work done (when I'm not commenting on Mad Season videos anyway). My employer knows my capacity and gives me assignments according to my ability. Folks on lower percentiles are afforded the same thing as are folks above. And yeah, if I got totally lost in programming, like, 24/7, I could probably shoot right up the percentiles. But........
I mean, this is kind of what life is. You just need to figure out what you want to put your time into, accept that you'll never be "the best" and just enjoy the grind. If you can't do that...uh, not gonna have a good time. Sorry :(
and if you actually get to be the best you should feel like it and not deal any dmg lol
@@reviewdestages lmao
On the other hand, none of your examples have you directly compete with any of the more skilled people. I totally agree the current system is not ideal, but complete anarchy doesn't sound good either.
Yeah, I was focused on perfection and independance from other people way too much. It's not worth it and it's not possible to be perfect at anything. Just be as good as you can, look for more room to improve but don't be angry or sad that you are not as good as you want to be. Try to enjoy what you are doing instead of focusing on what you want to do in future, keep that in mind but don't compare. Compare yourself to yourself from other week or month. Find what you enjoy in your life and keep doing that as long as it keeps you entertained. Cheers!
By the developers rounding down the sharp edges, we never feel any great impact, either positive or negative, just a steady baseline of small incremental progression, eventually leading to boredom or seeking something more. Because this is videogames, this is entertainment. They are meant to be exciting, crazy, even nonsensically buggy and punishing. The highs are so high and the lows are so low, it makes the experience far more memorable and emotionally impactfull. Balance is boring and too much is sterile, we want our actions to actually feel like they are having an impact, we want to make choices and see the consequences - good and bad, we want to grow organically through experience and investment, not random luck. Classic is a masterclass in all of this and retail has so much to learn from just letting players run wild with the game instead of trying to restrict everything.
My main issue with the balance in live is how often blizzard seems to lose interest in class themes the instant balance has to cut corners somewhere. Destro lock with a crazy and interesting playstyle and spell usage? Fuck that, turn it into Generic Spellcaster #4
But thats the thing. I don't think blizzard has every really liked the warlock/mail classes. Mail always looks like ass and there's still only two classes that use it, and the warlocks often barely use fel or chaos magic. Makes no sense.
It explains why blizzard kept flattening the item progression down to basically just a number. Why don't different weapons have different speeds, etc? Because if you're one of the poor sods who keeps playing classes that get fucked by every little change, you'll be grinding for gear far more than the person who retains a half balanced class. People are less likely to play a class if they have no clue if it'll even be good at the end of the week.
Your music choice is ALWAYS on point, love it man
Thanos: “Balanced, as all things should be”
*Sees WoW*
Impossible
Funny comment. You are the cause of many high spirits. Thank you for posting this, i appreciate you.
Lucas Santana haha thanks, it just kinda came to mind
@Simply Legendary Bruh Warrior in MoP felt soo good, wdum? MoP PvP was so clean and most enjoyable compared to every expansion followed.
@Simply Legendary But you could absue the banners to get out of traps, if your teammate was too far. I kinda miss them.
"A balance between the two"
Yeah, it's called MoP PvP, the last time it was REALLY good. Everyone had huge toolkits and some downright stupid abilities. But it was FUN.
It was your classic "If everything is crazy, nothing is" balance style, but it actually required skill to utilise the full depth of your toolkit well; instead of cheese and procs (both classic/live have this)
Most classes had SOMETHING to do in MoP BGs too, instead of live's "why aren't you a demon hunter/rogue, monk?" and vanilla's "why aren't you a mage/rogue, warrior?".
Meme MoP all you want, but it was the expansion with the perfect mixture of new/old class design, for the most part.
Most balanced system was Legion but Blizz fucked up
instead of just copying GW2 template system.
Lock dot swapping was OP.
@@DisastrousIntentionally I never said it was 100% perfect. No meta is, DH have ruined the game for like half the classes since legion, by either being way better or beat them so bad there's no point playing it, for example.
My point is that is was the best mixture of fun/power/player agency. You had a deep toolkit on most classes that would allow you to out play an opponent if you were better; or failing that, be an asset to your team's overall victory in the BG.
@Derp Inshmurtz They had lore precedence, Warcraft 3. Only people who didn't play that thought they were random.
I also main a panda, so I won't say a bad word about them :P
@@Orion-redx7 That was mostly a PVE thing. In PVP you could just CC and splat the lock before they got a few DoTs up.
But it WAS strong, but that's the fun; it had counterplay but was good if not countered correctly.
I love this channel. Keep making them please. As much as i love the beautiful spell graphics and character animation I cannot go back to Current Wow any more. I cannot be a slave to those blue quests any more. I just got a Shield from a rogue quest on Classic. As crazy as the loot system of Classic is I love it and keep going back to it even when I try to quit.
Love the golden eye soundtrack you added around 8 minutes. Ahh the N64 days
Earlier than last time - Greg Deucette
uh zeeeeeeeeero
bru when two worlds collide
is coach greg a gamer
Doucette* :)
Is MadSeasonShow's rank 14 natty?
Ohhh the bald boi is gonna have a field day with this video.
little baldy will love it
mald man
You missed it he's already been here and commented below
omg thank you Madseason for using the james bond music man you brought back some wonderfull memories for me :)
As a game developer, I can totally see how we got to Retail... all of these decisions and designs make sense in a vacuum, step by step. The loot and stat system in Classic is incredibly convoluted, so simplifying that makes sense. But now you massively reduced the variety of loot, so adding a random element like Titanforging makes sense. Oh, and now the power creep us through the roof, so you gotta put in a system to make new players not get just totally bodied in PvP. Removing spell levels, class trainers, pruning out a lot of the fluff abilities, all of it makes the game more streamlined, so it seems like a good idea. Oh, and let's give the player something to do between raids every day, beyond just farming gold, something more varied...
All of these make sense as small steps, one at a time, over 15 years and multiple teams and game directors. And none of these just got to where they are now in one step from Classic. It's incredibly difficult to resist making small changes like these, over time, making the game more convenient and homogenized one step at a time...
Playing wow after playing other mmos just shows me how insane the content is from the past decade. The million of classes, skills, specs within classes, armors, weapons, racials etc
No other game has something this expansive
@@Undecided_ dungeons and dragons online does. but no one plays that cuz its too expensive (and not quite as fun)
Nope.. those are all awful ideas. They ruined the game after WOTLK.
@@Undecided_ Specs are so dumbed down you just mindlessly spam the same rotation with little situational skills for active decision making. Classes are all the same so there is no major difference between taking one class over another as long as they are the right spec for the right job. Having more player choice and class diversity of classic, TBC and Wrath lets the game have far more variety than the sterile homogenised game that retail is today.
what? the loot and stat system wasn't convoluted, it was fun, not perfect but pretty good. Simplifying means killing a game.
None of the steps made by blizzard make any sense, i don't see your vision buddy.
If you are a lazy game designer of course you cannot resist to make your work easier dude haha ... small changes to make a game for dogs.
I hope that your comment was ironic and not serious, as a game designer.
16:25 I think you're wrong there. I think they would notice that the Pawn was weaker than the others, and then proceed to nerf every other piece into the ground to match its power level. THAT is Blizzard balancing in a nutshell.
"messed up hole"
giggity
Loved the video madseason keep up the good work!
every time i here the intro chills lol, Always good content madseason
I love how the devs were like "Hmmm. Each patch has the power gain of an entire expansion, creating the most egregious item level bloat imaginable, so that a fresh 120 has less than 100k health, but a geared 120 has over 500k. Obviously the solution is to scale the more powerful player's stats down. Not address the issue that has terrible downsides on so many forms of gameplay, not just PvP. Noooooo. Nope. Scaling. That's the ticket"
(I'm just using 8.3 numbers as an example btw, I know scaling wasn't added in 8.3)
This is one of the biggest problems of endgame, IMO. Remember BC raiding when almost everything was viable for your raid team to farm for months? We were constantly getting new players or bad luck which brought us back to previous raids every now and then and it was AWESOME because it really felt like there was a whole expansion of content that was available to us to choose from instead of being restricted to the newest patch's content due to power-creep. Titanforging is kind of the reason they've gotten ridiculous about this because now end-game gear needs to represent 30 item-levels per tier, and there are 3-4 tiers in a modern expansion. It's no wonder they've done more stat squishes than ever in the last handful of xpacks. These gearing systems are out of hand.
I came into the expansion a little late. Got to max level on a pvp server and was farmed relelentlessly by geared players. I was a prot pally. My dps in dungeons had more health than I did, by a good margin. The gear was so bland I lost interest. The questing was great, but the lack of social player base and gear that felt like it had no real value made me lose interest faster than you can say "nerf shamans".
David Thompson what’s your point? Get good
I would love to use the salt from the WoW forums to season my steak tonight.
Cannibal Fappter?
Ten million pounds of sodium is most definitely fatal!
there isn't enough steak in the world for that amount of salt.
I love that u use that Donkey Kong music, actually i love most of the songs from the throwback games. Everytime i hear it, it hits me right n the soul n gives me the peace of my blissful childhood...
Well come to think of it. When Wow was Classic and everyone didn't know what exactly what they were doing, mainly focused about the adventure and fun stuff, rmb back then, Ian was one of the 1st guy voiced up on strategies and all kinds of coordination in order to max-min the outcomes of game (run dungeons etc.). Fast forward to current WoW, now Ian is the head of the WoW's team, no wonder they are now more obsessed with "control" everything.
Greetings Madseason! Im early so I just wanted to say I adore your content. Keep up your excellent work!
Thanks for watching it...hope you like it!
this guy got acknowledged by senpai
@@madseasonshow missing your streams dude
Sup mr. Show - Been watching all your old vods of beta and you leveling through classic. Love your content man. Hope your schedule allows you some time back to twitch sometime soon. 🤘🏼
Thanks! Between TH-cam, Twitch, and life I only have time for 2 these days - I'll make a return to Twitch some day...trying to catch up with TH-cam first
The chaos that is the class balance in Classic is probably what helps make the game so tantalizing to me.
A have some strong opinions when it comes to "competition" (so to speak,) in games, having grown into a rather laid back dude that prefers the experience over "trying/having to win".
But Classic, (Alongside my friend whose server I joined,) has ignited something in me that makes me want to carve into pvp to try and trump as many as I can.
See if I can reignite that old pvp spirit I once had.
You know what game has "perfect balance"? PONG.
Nah we all know left paddle has better frame rate😉
@@Dirty_bubs you've won the internet! Congrats!
Naw someone has to go first
Whoever goes first has advantage
Lol
I enjoy making decisions. I feel like I'm doing more than just leveling a character. I miss the skill tree. You can have 2 exact looking characters standing side by side, dressed the same.... and because of the skill tree be totally different. I miss tier sets, and gems. Those were sweet back int day.
This is nostalgia talking, mostly. Skill trees provided the illusion of agency but in reality there was one or two optimal paths to take and everyone had the same tree. This is why it was changed.
that only happened back then because people aren't as hardcore as they are in term of theory crafting the game currently
Sees title: spiffing intensifies
I guess for devil's advocate is that there are VERY niche scenarios where items have an effect and are good like Cut of Death for warrior or the Aszhara Trinket from last tier for mages. I started playing in Legion and always thought it was cool to see specific builds and grinding for stuff like that. I wish they did it more.
This is all well said. I am a big believer in the more classic style rock-paper-scissors design as well as keeping content relevant for longer than one raid cycle.
Right when Kevin Jordan's talking about world buffs on Allcraft
The thing with the "BALANCE" is and what Blizzard stumble upon, you just can't have it - or at least not have and yet have UNIQUE classes(which is the problem in current/retail WoW), cause that uniqueness came with some advantages, like okay, you can tune it a bit, but generally speaking you can't have absolute balance if you want the have unique classes. If you want a complete balance then in the game should be for example: orc warrior as only playable race and class., so that way you get a complete balance...And that's the problem with a WoW where over the years Blizzard is trying to balance it and casual and even pro players gonna cry that something is OP then Blizzard will nerf it, simultaneously some other class gonna pop up(and be OP) and over again. That led us to the point where really the classes are not unique and players are complaining about it too...
100% agree on gear sets. Good stuff. Really loved pvp sets/raid set bonuses and juggling the best gear /weapon speed for situations
9:55 I'll have you know I love your voice Mister Madseason.
Intentional imbalance is best for the game, since it'll allow you to make certain classes better fill certain niches in the game. Like rogues are typically thought of as stealthy assassin-types, and so they especially should be good at PvP and single target, with a reasonable disadvantage against plate because high armor values. Which in itself will act as a reasonable counter balance against them if rogue supremacy got too far out of hand. Which would then allow them to paradoxically become balanced, due to their imbalance in a PvP setting forcing a shift in the meta towards their counter.
13:00 we don't want people to feel like you need this weapon type and ignore all the rest, so we'll nerf what makes that one OP and buff the ones that are especially bad so that they're all desirable and make sure that they're all different at the same time
we don't want people to ignore these fast weapons, so instead of making them all be slow, we'll simultaneously make fast weapons be useful and not outclass slow weapons while making sure that weapon speed still matters
imagine if blizzard did that instead of homogenizing them
thats an example of good balance, which contrasts with the examples of bad balance a.k.a. homogenizing everything
My vanilla experience is similar to your buddy, I dont play classic but all these years later I can tell you exactly where to farm crusader enchant from the spellbinders in the tower or on that road to Tyers Hand and other specific details. I remember exactly how CTS looks because I wanted it soo bad on my rogue and eventually got it. One of the best looking swords in classic.
This video was very well structured and comprised in your argument. I am grateful that the videos you make are complex and supported in what they assert instead of just making another bullshit top 10 vid. You have consistently been one of the best WOW content providers for years. Thank you for your continued efforts and the quality that they yield.
"Times Change"
-Garrosh The Orc who did nothing wrong.
"A class you can play with a garage door opener" Hasn't changed in 15 years
I enjoy the classic toons you play on your video bro. brings that SNES feeling of a 10 year kids happy with whatever life gave, with whatever happiness . ty . I miss those years . even tho, no one played games around my life and I was the only kid that enjoy in-games and not much of the out doors games LOL. which now I want out door games lol
dude! summed it up so well!
Amazing!
God, I miss Madness of Deathwing loot. Give me back my Gur'thalak! D:
Dude... the background music.. crazy nostalgia inducing. Its literally the soundtrack of my childhood through and through. I can hardly focus on what youre talking about.
I thought this was a video by the Spiffing Brit ,because of the title. Great video as usual Mad.
"It's almost as depressing as my voice." LOL
When you finish the video and go to hit the like button only to realize that you already hit the like button at the start so you leave a comment to let you throw a like on to that.
I like all your videos .. but the music from falco made them really awesome this time .. thank you
TH-cam getting real cheeky with these double no skip ads
I read the title with spiffing brit voice LOL
Its like ... why even farm Bis Gear in retail ... it doesnt matter
Madseason, you did a GREAT jobu with this video. Made some great points
It's really nice to hear someone else espouse the values of our generation of gamers, MadSeason. Thanks for being around and doing your part to hold the fort. uwu
Those who saying retail is balanced, probably a rogue or dh player.
That or a warlock player.
While Bm Hunters and Fire mages are Balanced?! as the Guy in the video said some classes/specs excel at something from others but people instead of learning to play their spec and class,they prefer to ask for nerfs on other classes just so because they might be behind dps score for like 2-5k
@@thanoscharitopoulos251 Yes because mages and locks atleast have to cast which can be kicked. Rogs and dh killing you in one burst without anything to do. And hunters arent a big threat, atleast for me.
missed the whole point
"World of Warcraft is Perfectly Balanced game with no exploits what so ever"
*sips tea*
Yorkshire islands
*laughs in Yorkshire tea and god save the Queen*
Awesome vid as usual Mads.
I do agree with the point that classes should have strengths of their own. Having a bit of a niche role was the allure of why many played a class.
I actually remember when Shamans started to see their niche being dismantled as many of their "iconic class abilities" were being mimicked and given to other classes and in the same moment have a Dev state "We have decided to not give Shaman's X ability as it steps on the the Druid's iconic class ability.
That was an uproar for the ages on the forums and I believe it was in BC.
Little did I know it was the start of many classes being homogenized.
I left the game for 6 years (MoP) and returned recently and I have tried almost all classes and my thought process is "Oh this the same ability as this class' ability minus this."
Hard not to agree with all your points really buddy! I'm not playing any WoW just now actually and from what i'm hearing about being able to change all of your skills and approach on a whim in shadowlands, I can't see me enjoying that either. I really can't be assed with learning 400356 specs and styles of play, maybe at 34 i'm old but i just don't like change all that much hahah. I loved classic's simple rotations, i found joy in competing on our dps meters :D Though a friend of mine who's playing classic assures me the min/maxing has gotten way out of hand, to the point things aren't fun anymore.
When I watch these videos I always wonder if blizzard sees those too and just ignore all the comments and views.
I really hope they see what this really means to the game and that changes to these concerns would just benefit the overall gamerbase. Also i think it can bring more players back and i think there are a lot who quit because of the problems
That Crookid clip still makes me laugh so hard, one of your best video's Show.
I remember all my gear back in TBC i got and couldn't get.
That cloth head from Illidan,
Skull of Guldan, Grand magister's staff of torrents, that shield from Felmyst, that sword from Mother...
Can't wait to watch it again with somebody that doesn't have 33k achievements.
I love that you sneak a Goldeneye tune in most videos but I also hate it... It makes me feel old... Jeez who am I kidding, If you snuck NES or Master system tunes in there i'd still be old...
#existentialcrisis
I'm not a fan of the bell but yt doesn't want to show your videos otherwise and I can always relax while watching your content. I hope you'll never stop making videos.
Dude one like and a big thanks for the 8 bit Rock me Amadeus song from Falco
But classic playerbase is dwindling pretty fast : /
Wait untill shadowlands comes out too.
"When choosing between balance and fun, always go fun." -Zack Johnson
IHS only when you don’t play those classes lol
Love your videos, keep it up man!
My comments as someone who loves and play both retail and classic:
1. Luckily they are changing gear in a positive way in SL. We're getting tier sets, etc back, so I'm looking forward to gear being more meaningful.
2. I agree with you on the talk about how old gear was more memorable and remembering some crazy cool dagger with a special effect, etc. But I think that comes slightly with nostalgia and the fact it was a young game. I mean I remember all sorts of stuff from classic, like gear, etc. But I also remember events and amazing raid bosses in expansions. I couldn't give a shit about boring classic raid boss fights, because they weren't special.
My point is that expansions do add things to the game, but also take things away :(.
I think that it would be difficult to go this many expansions and make certain items so special that you'd remember them. That's a lot of raids, a lot of bosses. Time just isn't kind like that and we remember these old special things because when the game was young and unique to us, it meant so much more.
More great content from MadSeason. Thanks as always!
Look at all this gear variety, with random fun procs and stats that haven't had any sense of balance taken into account!
But in practice, everyone in Classic runs around in the exact same BIS gear.
It's just how it was destined to be a decade out. It's still a surprise that people think it's not the way it is. Even when you're not intentionally min/maxing, general player knowledge and skill inevitably make you lean in that direction. It's just how games and gamers have moved to in the last decade, and you have to be mindful and go out of your way to not try and play the stat or loot game.
That's the problem, people don't want balance or variety, they want to win. Hence why no one ever wants to nerf their class or use any of those fun items in classic wow.
Some of that BiS gear is like 1-4% droprates and yet everybody still has it??
Some people have full deathbone set from scholomance and I ran that place 10 times without seeing a single piece
@@1un4cy Eventually, everyone will have the BiS, whether they want to or not, unless they just stop playing for any reason. When there's finite content, and the entirety of the game's design and progression revolves around grinding (at your own pace) and working on getting gear, it's just an inevitability. If you want the gear, you'll get the gear. What's 10 times in the long turn of infinity? RNG is god, and all that.
Only autists that have no job or life. Normal people play it as it was intended. 90% of people would never know what bis is if it wasn't for autists spending 18 hours a day on wow and then posting all that on the web
As a pvper in retail, everyone hates pvp scaling makes no sense why it's in the game. But I do agree about the gear, gear is boring now days.
It's interesting you mentioned paladins as a stalling class. I've been a paladin in retail from vanilla and despite having to overcome alot to become equal I realized raiding is alot more than just being the best spec; me being a holy paladin for a long time. Its what the player brings to the table at the end of the day but ive always enjoyed my class identity so to speak. Sometimes I feel lost as I come in and out of some expansions and patches but my paladin is still fun to play on retail.
Man you have so calm and soothing voice, almost makes me sleepy :P
Your voice is far from depressing. I find it calming, relaxing and reassuring.
If you really wanted 'perfect balance', why even bother having classes in the first place? Why have different gear slots, or different weapons, or different abilities, or different talents? The problem with the idea of balance is that you're no longer rewarded for considering your options, building a diverse team, and finding ways to circumvent your weaknesses. If every decision you made was the right one, and every class could do everything, building your character is no longer engaging or satisfying - just pick a random class and it'll work out! When it comes to identity and immersion in an RPG, your weaknesses are just as important as your strengths, because without them, you're no longer incentivised to gain a better understanding of your character and the way they play. Even if 'perfect balance' WERE attainable (which it isn't), would it really make the game better? Or would it strip the game of its personality, decision-making, team-building, and identity? You decide.
EDIT: Plus, I can't be the only one who thinks that there are better uses of development time and resources than obsessively fine-tuning classes.
We’ve had asymetrical balance for decades. StarCraft 1 broodwar is much more balanced than most modern games and is from ‘98/‘99
@Nuclear Confusion No? It's actually a good idea for one of those stunt runs - clear MC with 40 people who all have the exact same talents & gear. I doubt anyone has even tried it yet.
There's basically 3 things you can't do in WoW Classic: dps with a pvp or tank spec, dps with a healing class, or pvp with a pve spec. And even there you can kinda brute force it with gear.
I come to watch these videos for nostalgia and then BOOM. Donkey Kong Country 2 SNES OST is playing in the background.
as always great video! I love the self irony with your voice. We can really tell you but a lot of effort into your videos
I feel they reached the best balance of imbalance in WOTLK. Those were the good days.
DKs were ridiculous. Fk that xpac
@@Aggrofool maybe to patch 3.1, after that, u was able to beat them, depend of your skill. Ok, with disco healer you have no chance in duel, but other clases, with no problem. In 3.2 retri paladins dominated. and after 3.3 everything with shadowmourne. But on blizzard servers, you found maybe 5 people on server, when they were both very lucky.
WotLK introduced aoe spam in dungeons, and the concept that no mob or quest out in the world should offer any meaningful threat to you at all. To many people who'd been used to vanilla and TBC especially, the mindless aoe dungeons were an astonishing design choice given the obvious consequences going forward. That said it remains one of my favourite expansions too (even with that abomination of a content patch that gave us the Argent Tournament)
There's literally no point in looting if everything is balanced
Love the quagmire part. Very nice.
I know the gear was more homogeneous by cata but I still remember how bad I wanted to get heroic gurthalak because of its bonkers and unique proc, yet I can’t remember a single 2 handed I got in mists or wod because they were all essentially sticks with higher numbers
When it comes to balance, I reallly like that in classic that if I auto shoot, I kind of expect a 400dmg white hit. When I crit aimed without buffs, I expect something around 2k. If I see less or more, I can quickly assess what may be the reason and maybe choose to pick a different target on the battleground, because I may be hitting some temporarily buffed up dude. And when I get an upgrade and hit with autoshot for 420 on average, I FEEL the upgrade. I play without damage meters, because I think they should never be a thing in game properly made in 2020, so my main sense of progression comes from the singular hits that I see on the screen. On retail they are so random, there's so many of them and they vanish soo fast, that I cannot get that sense of progression there.
“If an orc female hit on you”
Yes
The 007 music brought back a lot of nostalgia.
Honestly, one of the things they should of done would be instead of giving abilities and making every class just like each other, make many different weapons and armor that have abilities that can be equipped by specific classes depending on their armor proficiency. you know, like the belt my tailor just made to increase swim speed that i gave to all my party members i play with every week who aren't a druid, or the skull that i put on my druid that gives a chance to shadow bolt an enemy in the face for hitting me. I could see a belt that requires people that can use mail armor to equip a belt that does a priest style psychic scream to fear all enemies. or an earring that can get rid of that effect. make us choose what good sh*t we want to wear instead of giving everything on a golden plate because there won't be a smile on our face after day 157 of having the same cheese on the same plate with the same tasting sausage
Frost bolt?!?!?
“Inhales deeply”
*RRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEE*
I am the one of these people who some usually call "casual". Not the type of someone who just wants to win with a press of a button. Just "under-average".
I'm just the one of these people who don't want to "git gud" when they get killed in PvP for like 7 times in a row. I just rage quit and never return to PvP.
I'm not very into social interactions even in games so I mostly play solo which can be crucial in Classic. I don't like the concept of learning boss tactics before the raid so I get kicked because I don't know what boss does. I can't raid in Classic, I can't raid in retail. I can't get a decent gear => someone just one-shots me in PvP.
Retail has so many features for unskilled player and I get why people are upset because of some features getting too much balanced.
Classic is too hard and tedious for me. Retail sometimes can be too simple and bland for me.
I don't know why I wrote this and how at least anything in this comment connects so I'll just say that I'm somewhat casual and many players are just like that.
Yeah I pretty much play the same way. I'd rather quest solo or with a couple friends and hit up some bgs in between. I don't want to plan my entire day around a raid that could take 6+ hours to finish. I understand the appeal but we need some balance in terms of ways you can play the game. A huge problem with bfa is that it pretty much forces you to do mythic+ if you want to be decent in pvp. Why should I have to pve in order to pvp? The whole point of me pvping is because I don't want to do a bunch of raids to get good gear. I should be able to get good pvp gear from playing pvp.
imagine not gitting gud
...did you just call Classic 'hard' and retail 'bland'?
Haven’t played wow I’m 4 years still watch the mad season releases
I love how the PvP scaling screenshot (from description) says : "This is new tech which will make PvP better in WoW for YEARS to come". rofl