Its probably designed not to tell you by engine lights of any fault at all until the day after your warranty expires, then it will light up the dash like a Christmas tree
I have a P400 and at about 25000 miles, it would seem to cut out under load. Dealer couldn’t find anything. No CEL ever. Finally, a few months later, it dropped a cylinder under the same load condition. I drove it straight to the dealer. Was told it was a stuck injector, new engine, several months later running good. 🤞🏻
No doubt modern engines are overly complicated but my biggest concern is the engineers have forgotten how to design a reliable engine. For example, plastic cam chain guides that shatter, cam chains that are way too skinny and made from chocolate. How about a rubber cam belt running in engine oil that degrades and starves the oil supply. I don't think this is your issue but Land Rover over stressed the cam chain on this range of engines and then compounded it by putting the chain on the gearbox end meaning you need to take out a second mortgage just to do any preventative maintenance.
Completely agree, I often wonder if modern engineers are actually taught engineering as it used to be i.e. 'over engineered' as opposed to might just make it. Thank God our forefathers didn't have this mantra, which is why we still have bridges, roads, railways and old cars that still run.
@@davidoldboy5425nothing wrong with the engineers, it's sadly the 'bean counters' trying to cut costs to keep the very senior management happy.... Who they themselves are trying to keep Tata happy. I know engineers who despair when instructed to use lower quality materials, when they have designed and tested using best quality. Sometimes even down to nuts and bolts. Land Rover design engineers are (in the main) brilliant.
Timing chain at the gearbox end isn’t so much a cost saving as a government mandated safety feature. The cam chain sprockets increase the height of the engine slightly. Putting them at the back means there’s a touch more room between top of engine and hood/bonnet near the front which is better for pedestrian safety.
Well Simon my nephew purchased a a discovery 5 and it was in Land Rover for months and months in fact the garage had it in their possession longer in his ownership than he did. Good luck mate.
Just fired up a 1996 Unimog camper sitting for six months. Possibly half a revolution of cranking and then a rock steady tickover was established. Without the doubtful benefit of mass air flow sensor, addressable injectors, with no glow plugs ( ether pilot if ever needed), no crank position sensor, no EGR valve, no canbus , no ECU and the only electronics will be alternator diodes and retrofitted LED headlights. What isn't there can't break!
@johngibson3837 I can still select the original 2 candlepower halogen headlights, but have to concede Hella have come a hell of a long way in eliminating darkness with LED. Yes Stronger Than Time in most respects if left original.
Hello Simon. Worrying news then.😰😰😰 That much goo in the oil filler cap is very worrying…I’ve checked mine and it is totally clean other than normal oil spray. One thing I have noticed and it is something I have always avoided is starting the engine and not running it up to full, hot temperature…..I’m just wondering if it needs a good long, fast drive of 200 miles to defog everything. My P400e PHEV is super smooth and almost silent…only climbing a hill slowly brings some low level sound…it is the four cylinder 2.0l petrol….it gives remarkable results BUT the constant starting and stopping does worry me…so many cold starts. My LR warranty runs out next April and I fear what the bought warranty will cost…I have had thoughts about changing it before I get to buy one.sadly, JLR don’t make anything for us now as the new RRS is simply too high to get I even in access mode. If your engine problems follows the problems so many report then I’m wondering about a used EV or big discount. I await the answer….it might be expensive if LR disown the problem.😰😰😰😬😬😬R.
Thanks for sharing info Simon - back when Defender was first released the youtube by TFL that had a bad 4 cyl engine and convinced me not to buy - I have limited resources and could not take a hit like that!
I had the same problem on my 2008 NAS Freelander 2 with the 3.2 i6 Petrol. Suddenly went into "Limp Mode/ Reduced Engine Performance." Turned out to be a Bad Ignition Coil Pack. I have 326,000 Miles on it with No Warning Lights or complaints. I read an interview with Charles Spencer King once who when asked about Land Rover's Questionable Reliability he said," We Purposely made them too Sophisticated," meaning the Sensors have Sensors. Also, as proof of my claim the LR2/FL2 was a LR Unicorn, I haven't found many at the Salvage Yard nor at the Dealership for Repairs. Why? Because They are still on the Road. Good Luck Simon...
Agreed. 2008- 2010 were the best years for the early digital landrovers. 2011-2014 they have the same electrical issues as BMW’s and posers cars. 2014 onwards they went eco crazy and Killed any reliability by pinching pennies
@@ColinGarner-h1t lol rose tinted glasses much. Anything past 2014 from Landrover is a money pit. Anything with the Ingenium engine is a POS like the Ford eco boost.
In answer, "are modern engines too complicated for their own good?" Yes. Also the problems caused by too many fingers in the pie of development, Bosch, Valeo etc. all making their own systems that have to integrate and work together. While making a profit and meeting emissions standards in a big SUV. I'm no luddite, as I'm ex IT and Masters in Electronics. Once interviewed for a research job at Sony Japan. I also run a Megasquirted Rover V8 in my '85 90 auto. Tesla is showing the way with vertical integration, all internal software development and hardware. (ignore Musks politics if that helps). Peak ICE was probably 90s VW TDI. Strong, reliable, fuel efficient, enough power/torque and relatively simple.
My 2018 Kia Sorento has 50,000 on the clock. Never had any issues and still has one years warranty left so reckon I will stick with it! Also my 1967 swb landy never gives any problems either😉
@@rxy2580 not sure if you guys actually know ANYTHING or if you're just bitter & jealous. I've owned and driven some of the finest automobiles ever made and I am in LOVE with my new Defender and this engine you loathe.
F me.. LR still the old LR. Was looking for maybe upgrading my Disco, but it seems LR's are still having engine problems like with Disco 3's and 4's. That's really sad.
Hi Simon. I have a 2 year old P400e 110. Mine had to go in recently for the engine management light too. Turned out the camshaft actuator was at fault and was replaced under warranty with a new camshaft sprocket and input camshaft solenoid. Not had any real explanation from the dealer as to what caused it. Although they did say they’ve had quite a few defenders back recently for similar issues. Hope this helps. Glenn
So right, it’s a badly tarted up Discovery 4 in so many ways, and is certainly not a Defender in any way, bar the name! This is LR creating a vehicle that will see the no longer popular “ Discovery” get dropped, so the range will be Defender and Range Rover variants only! The Discovery has such a bad reputation from Discovery 2 TD5 right to the Discovery 5 for reliability and issues. I own a Discovery 4 SCV6 and this has been very reliable bar the stupid plastic water cross over pipe under the supercharger. Replaced that and I now run waterless coolant from Liquid Intelligence, that can not boil and does not create ( or need ) 22psi to work, as this is a large part of the issue! My 2cents worth and greetings from Australia.
When you said the engine was "made in Wolverhampton" I knew immediately that was the problem! Nice looking car but going to cost you money at some point. Get rid whilst you still can.
Why would anyone screw that oil cap back on with Table spoon of Mayonaise on it without cleaning it ? 🤔 Your Killing that Engine, Change the Oil Annually at the Minimum and get that oil over 100c at least once a month to boil off the water/Condensation.
I’ve got a 2014 Evoque with the 2.2 engine . I change the engine oil in it every six months,I wouldn’t leave engine oil in any engine for 2 years no wonder there having problems.
A little concerning. I did notice these seem a little rattly when cold too. I've had 2 P400s, with 3000 miles and 12000 miles respectively and theyre both quite noisy until warmed up. I keep turning off start/stop on any journey so the oil keeps circulating.
I do wish the engines would not rev up so much when cold - it is to heat up the catalyst but seems like a bad idea for engine life / fuel consumption / noise and comfort ! Another example of how we demand too much from these modern ICE engines ?
I really like the land rover Defender, but just like the rest of their models they all have issues 😕 Which in this day and age is ridiculous ! I like your enthusiasm for the brand , but I'll stay clear of them. Such a shame.
You have won the free T Shirt ! it turns out it was a duff coil - i was a little confused by the fact there were no hydrocarbons - if it was still injecting and there was no ignition what happened to the fuel ? Send you details and size to customer service on our website and i will get some merch out to you !
@@L663 Low mileage so not getting hot often enough. Engine temperature is fluctuating with ambient temperature and causing condensation. When you do use it then oil is mixing with the condensation in the cap
@L663 Water vapour as a combustion product will migrate into the crankcase as a small amount of piston / cylinder wall leakage and possibly also via the exhaust valve guides into the camshaft "rocker" box. It will condense inside a cold engine and emulsify with oil if the engine is not brought up to working temperature. So a lot of cold starts and shunting around your workshops will not allow this water to be evaporated as the engine rarely warms up. The drive it 200 miles idea is good but maybe extreme. 50 miles weekly would be a good bet. Gathering the misfire was a coil pack, presumably yet another modern engine "feature" is inability to take out the plugs, crank and see six fat sparks ? The rocker box mayonnaise gloop was a regular feature in my youth helping a Post Office manager with his moonlighting engine rebuild operation for the ubiquitous knackered Austin 1100s driven presumably short distances by most of Plymouth's postmen.
It’s should be flashing engine light as it has a persistent miss fire which is cat damaging as per eobd and also if it’s there for 3 drive cycles the light should be on
Usually with most modern cars when a misfire is detected the affected cylinder fuel injector will shut off to prevent damage to catalytic converter, im gonna ignition coil or spark plug is at fault, or harness to the ignition coil has corroded or having issues since its counting a miss fire, and most engine with timing off that runs wont detect that as a misfire.
Interesting that you say that the injectors shut off when the ignition fault is detected. I think you deserve a free T shirt or hat as you got the cause and the full explanation ! Send an email into our website with your details and size and i will get some merch out to you !
This is interesting being the 6 cylinder petrol version with trouble, our local Landrover workshop will not touch the 4 cylinder Engenium engine at all,they are an absolute disaster now you have issues with the 6 cylinder petrol. I was looking at buying the new Defender to replace my old trusty classic Puma Defender with a new model Defender but this has got me thinking to move to another brand.very dissapointing! In a way I cannot blame the one eyed Toyota and Nissan Patrol owners over here as all we get constantly is very negative news regarding the new Landrovers reliability in Aussie. There are very few dealers here and more have closed down lately which is not a good look for Landrover.
That is a bit concerning, you have that issue for a 2024 at 840 miles? I have a 2021 at 51k miles with 7yr/125k miles of extended warranty 😮 This is why I buy CPO since all the anomalies have hopefully been fixed 😅
Wouldn’t have those issues if it was a fully electric power train! Thats the best way forward for all LR and RR models as their petrol and diesel power trains are the Achilles heel of the marq.
I own 2023 Land Rover Defender, p400e, x. Yesterday check engine light vent on, car was driving fine, but with weird noise, it was very cold outside. I went straight to my garage. We don't have an official Land Rover dealer in my country. I have connected the gap tool, following errors came out -p3039-92(6c), P1A22-00 (A8), P0AFA-00 (AC). I have tried to clear faults, but they still appear. In the morning I connected again, and could not clear them, but the little engine sign next to the faults had gone, and the check engine light went off. I drove the car for about 20 km, just fine, no strange noises or anything, no check engine lights. Can anybody help me with it? Should I just keep driving and observe?
Bad spark plug wire? Is there tech that is no spark, fuel will not be sent. That’s why smog check does not show in burned fuel. I’m sure you would have figured bad spark plug wire
Can be summed up in few words, it's a JLR engine so hence it's f***in' useless!!! I'm used to Audis still running on untouched engines at over 300,000 miles.
Yes Because they hardly drive the vehicle And Only very short drives And it sits for a long time. None of this is good for the engine, or exhaust system / cat converters etc The engine etc, never gets up to a warm temp ! As Simon says Only done 840 miles
800 miles how the hell is that possible when you consider all parts are practically brand new on there.... There some serious design flaws in these new engines....And as for other engines with these wet belt systems...😢
The problem is that Landrovers are well designed vehicles that are badly engineered and Landrover still don’t seem to be able to convert a protype to a production model in a way that produces a consistent result. Software and electronics do not make a vehicle unreliable - poor software development and terrible production engineering are the problem. In this day and age they still require dealers to do software updates?
Making good combustion engines is both a science and an art and Ingenium engines are uhm no piece of art. Say what you will about Ford and BMW, they know how to make engines. JLR don't have the talent or resources, which is why they're bowing out of making engines. When the L322 came out with a BMW engine, that's part of what made it legendary. When Ford took over the L322 was also blessed with top-tier engines. Tata/JLR just isn't the same. Good luck bro!
@@JonathanMoitie Ford makes a lot of engines, right. Some are made to cost. They are not great. When they want to make a good engine, they can and they do. When JLR wants to make a great engine, I'm not convinced they can. Anyone can make a bad engine, but not all can make a good engine.
@@tambarskelfir So by your logic Ford couldn’t be bothered making a great engine, they thought they’d design this wet belt system and give themselves a bad reputation for what reason exactly
Its probably designed not to tell you by engine lights of any fault at all until the day after your warranty expires, then it will light up the dash like a Christmas tree
Exactly 👍
I have a P400 and at about 25000 miles, it would seem to cut out under load. Dealer couldn’t find anything. No CEL ever. Finally, a few months later, it dropped a cylinder under the same load condition. I drove it straight to the dealer. Was told it was a stuck injector, new engine, several months later running good. 🤞🏻
Stuck injector is a new engine job? Oof.
@@system11ytI believe the injector stuck open and toasted the cylinder. That’s my guess. They did say that cylinder #1 had lost compression.
Another brilliant, professional video! Looking forward to the results!
No doubt modern engines are overly complicated but my biggest concern is the engineers have forgotten how to design a reliable engine. For example, plastic cam chain guides that shatter, cam chains that are way too skinny and made from chocolate. How about a rubber cam belt running in engine oil that degrades and starves the oil supply. I don't think this is your issue but Land Rover over stressed the cam chain on this range of engines and then compounded it by putting the chain on the gearbox end meaning you need to take out a second mortgage just to do any preventative maintenance.
I am worried that the timing chain driving 6 cylinder may be more stressed - but my problem was much more simple and easy to fix - but still not good.
Completely agree, I often wonder if modern engineers are actually taught engineering as it used to be i.e. 'over engineered' as opposed to might just make it. Thank God our forefathers didn't have this mantra, which is why we still have bridges, roads, railways and old cars that still run.
Wait what? The chain is on the same end as the gearbox??? Does any other engine do that?
@@davidoldboy5425nothing wrong with the engineers, it's sadly the 'bean counters' trying to cut costs to keep the very senior management happy.... Who they themselves are trying to keep Tata happy.
I know engineers who despair when instructed to use lower quality materials, when they have designed and tested using best quality. Sometimes even down to nuts and bolts.
Land Rover design engineers are (in the main) brilliant.
Timing chain at the gearbox end isn’t so much a cost saving as a government mandated safety feature. The cam chain sprockets increase the height of the engine slightly. Putting them at the back means there’s a touch more room between top of engine and hood/bonnet near the front which is better for pedestrian safety.
I suspect that old Freelander 2 in the background will give you less problems 🙂
So true
Absolutely
Yep, your spot on.
The Freelander will give less problems as it has a decent engine not an Ingenium
Well Simon my nephew purchased a a discovery 5 and it was in Land Rover for months and months in fact the garage had it in their possession longer in his ownership than he did. Good luck mate.
Just fired up a 1996 Unimog camper sitting for six months. Possibly half a revolution of cranking and then a rock steady tickover was established. Without the doubtful benefit of mass air flow sensor, addressable injectors, with no glow plugs ( ether pilot if ever needed), no crank position sensor, no EGR valve, no canbus , no ECU and the only electronics will be alternator diodes and retrofitted LED headlights. What isn't there can't break!
It's a mog leave it alone will last forever unlike those LEDs
@johngibson3837 I can still select the original 2 candlepower halogen headlights, but have to concede Hella have come a hell of a long way in eliminating darkness with LED. Yes Stronger Than Time in most respects if left original.
@philhealey4443 aye good one Phil stronger than time
@johngibson3837 Nicked from G Wagen advertising...
NOBODY cares bud. We're watching a discovery video not a unimog video. Maybe comment on a unimog video then ppl will be interested in what you say
Hello Simon. Worrying news then.😰😰😰 That much goo in the oil filler cap is very worrying…I’ve checked mine and it is totally clean other than normal oil spray. One thing I have noticed and it is something I have always avoided is starting the engine and not running it up to full, hot temperature…..I’m just wondering if it needs a good long, fast drive of 200 miles to defog everything. My P400e PHEV is super smooth and almost silent…only climbing a hill slowly brings some low level sound…it is the four cylinder 2.0l petrol….it gives remarkable results BUT the constant starting and stopping does worry me…so many cold starts. My LR warranty runs out next April and I fear what the bought warranty will cost…I have had thoughts about changing it before I get to buy one.sadly, JLR don’t make anything for us now as the new RRS is simply too high to get I even in access mode. If your engine problems follows the problems so many report then I’m wondering about a used EV or big discount. I await the answer….it might be expensive if LR disown the problem.😰😰😰😬😬😬R.
Thanks for sharing info Simon - back when Defender was first released the youtube by TFL that had a bad 4 cyl engine and convinced me not to buy - I have limited resources and could not take a hit like that!
I remember those days... and the 2nd car they had where they cut through the wiring !
TFL are not LR lovers.
I had the same problem on my 2008 NAS Freelander 2 with the 3.2 i6 Petrol. Suddenly went into "Limp Mode/ Reduced Engine Performance." Turned out to be a Bad Ignition Coil Pack. I have 326,000 Miles on it with No Warning Lights or complaints. I read an interview with Charles Spencer King once who when asked about Land Rover's Questionable Reliability he said," We Purposely made them too Sophisticated," meaning the Sensors have Sensors. Also, as proof of my claim the LR2/FL2 was a LR Unicorn, I haven't found many at the Salvage Yard nor at the Dealership for Repairs. Why? Because They are still on the Road. Good Luck Simon...
Agreed. 2008- 2010 were the best years for the early digital landrovers.
2011-2014 they have the same electrical issues as BMW’s and posers cars.
2014 onwards they went eco crazy and Killed any reliability by pinching pennies
My TD5 Defender Hi Cap has a quarter of a million miles on it. All original never been apart. Oil changes at 5000 miles
You keepin' on top of your wiring loom top-half changes? To prevent oil travelling to your ECU!
Look forward to the reason. 👍👍👍👍
If it’s misfiring check for cylinder wash down and fuel in oil.Change oil now .
I love Land Rovers.. but boy oh boy, what a piece of shit that thing is..
It’s not a piece of shit , far from it . All vehicles break down .
@@ColinGarner-h1tnot true
It’s got Land Rover written on it, so it’s obviously a piece of shit.
Agree, but none like a Land Rover does!
@@ColinGarner-h1t lol rose tinted glasses much.
Anything past 2014 from Landrover is a money pit. Anything with the Ingenium engine is a POS like the Ford eco boost.
In answer, "are modern engines too complicated for their own good?"
Yes.
Also the problems caused by too many fingers in the pie of development, Bosch, Valeo etc. all making their own systems that have to integrate and work together. While making a profit and meeting emissions standards in a big SUV.
I'm no luddite, as I'm ex IT and Masters in Electronics. Once interviewed for a research job at Sony Japan. I also run a Megasquirted Rover V8 in my '85 90 auto.
Tesla is showing the way with vertical integration, all internal software development and hardware. (ignore Musks politics if that helps).
Peak ICE was probably 90s VW TDI. Strong, reliable, fuel efficient, enough power/torque and relatively simple.
Love megasquirt - got one running on my old Bedford CA camper van with a 2.7L Toyota petrol engine !
My 2018 Kia Sorento has 50,000 on the clock. Never had any issues and still has one years warranty left so reckon I will stick with it! Also my 1967 swb landy never gives any problems either😉
These are Pretenders not Defenders
@@andrewk6844 I’ve had both and this is one beautiful vehicle.
They can't defend shite
It's a "modern Land Rover " parts made in China with a Land Rover logo on them.
Ingenium = shite .
@@rxy2580 not sure if you guys actually know ANYTHING or if you're just bitter & jealous. I've owned and driven some of the finest automobiles ever made and I am in LOVE with my new Defender and this engine you loathe.
Sounds like a faulty coil pack to me. Fingers crossed it’s nothing more serious Simon. 🤞🏻
You are correct - it was just a faulty coil but not good at 850 miles... also confused why we did not see hydrocarbons on the exhaust gas analyser ?
F me.. LR still the old LR. Was looking for maybe upgrading my Disco, but it seems LR's are still having engine problems like with Disco 3's and 4's. That's really sad.
I have the 300TDI Defender and I am not moving on from that. JLR have lost the plot.
Best engine after the 200Tdi and the original 3.5 , 3.9 v8 petrols , my P38 4.6 V8 is on 170,000 I don't plan to change anytime soon
Hi Simon. I have a 2 year old P400e 110. Mine had to go in recently for the engine management light too. Turned out the camshaft actuator was at fault and was replaced under warranty with a new camshaft sprocket and input camshaft solenoid. Not had any real explanation from the dealer as to what caused it. Although they did say they’ve had quite a few defenders back recently for similar issues. Hope this helps. Glenn
swap the coil pack and plug to another position would be my first option?
That would have found the issue - it was a dead coil pack
You used a Volvo seat protector … The LR is trying to end it now!
Remember Simon , Landrover didn’t give us a proper Defender That’s a Discovery 6 😡
So right, it’s a badly tarted up Discovery 4 in so many ways, and is certainly not a Defender in any way, bar the name!
This is LR creating a vehicle that will see the no longer popular “ Discovery” get dropped, so the range will be Defender and Range Rover variants only!
The Discovery has such a bad reputation from Discovery 2 TD5 right to the Discovery 5 for reliability and issues.
I own a Discovery 4 SCV6 and this has been very reliable bar the stupid plastic water cross over pipe under the supercharger. Replaced that and I now run waterless coolant from Liquid Intelligence, that can not boil and does not create ( or need ) 22psi to work, as this is a large part of the issue!
My 2cents worth and greetings from Australia.
A new Discovery is coming ... there is very little about it but it should be around soon and i think it will be more Disco 4 than D5
@@L663Well there’s something to look forward to 🤣 Got rid of my D4 and went back to a trusty D2 , happy as a sand boy 👌
You would think after 10 or so years JLR Would go back to the drawing board after the issues regarding the ingenium engine.
Yeah, I’m a big fan of the straight six engine as well. I think it’s a great motor and auto makers. Need to use the design much more.
Me too, I had a Lexus GS300 with the legendary straight six, one of the best engines ever made.
@@Golo1949 I had a Toyota supra with the straight six. I know exactly what you mean.
@@jamescaron6465The BMW B58 motor?
@@JohnGuidetti751 I honestly don't remember. I actually had two, an 81 and an 84
My FJ Cruiser is a tad thirsty.
But I can go anywhere without a thought of not getting there.
What’s wrong with it is ……it’s a land rover , only a nutcase would buy one . Expensive poor quality junk .
Oh So True
Could well be because no long journeys ,Cars need to be run properly ,and not stopping & Starting
It is a 5 cylinder with 1 extra added in case you need a spare.
If you look at it that way its not a problem !
When you said the engine was "made in Wolverhampton" I knew immediately that was the problem!
Nice looking car but going to cost you money at some point.
Get rid whilst you still can.
Dud / fouled spark plug or blocked injector? Also I'd be concerned by the mayonnaise in the oil filler cap. Good luck. 👍
Very close - it was spark related...
I really want a Land Rover but i hear so many nightmares about reliability.
Sticking/Blocked injector ???
Why would anyone screw that oil cap back on with Table spoon of Mayonaise on it without cleaning it ? 🤔
Your Killing that Engine, Change the Oil Annually at the Minimum and get that oil over 100c at least once a month to boil off the water/Condensation.
I’ve got a 2014 Evoque with the 2.2 engine . I change the engine oil in it every six months,I wouldn’t leave engine oil in any engine for 2 years no wonder there having problems.
Wow i didnt even know they did a straight 6 ingenium engine
Take it to the dealer and join the back of the 6 month waiting time queue.
Good to see they've gone back to a Dipstick ! , Give it a good regular thrash up the Motorway .....change the oil and filter on it at least !
Typical Land Rover tosh , pay a fortune and it’s buggered before its first service , total pile of crap . 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Have you checked the injector and wiring to #4 cylinder?
To my after all you said I think it could be a chipped exhaust valve let the gases through .
A little concerning. I did notice these seem a little rattly when cold too. I've had 2 P400s, with 3000 miles and 12000 miles respectively and theyre both quite noisy until warmed up. I keep turning off start/stop on any journey so the oil keeps circulating.
I do wish the engines would not rev up so much when cold - it is to heat up the catalyst but seems like a bad idea for engine life / fuel consumption / noise and comfort ! Another example of how we demand too much from these modern ICE engines ?
I'm just passing 5k miles with this engine....oy. Fingers, eyes & toes crossed this is 'nothing'.....
Talking to the dealer they say the P400 is a good engine - but why was it dropped ? they say emissions ?
I will keep my Toyota land cruiser. You are correct too complicated and a land rover.Good luck .
I really like the land rover Defender, but just like the rest of their models they all have issues 😕
Which in this day and age is ridiculous !
I like your enthusiasm for the brand , but I'll stay clear of them.
Such a shame.
This ia the same engine in the 2022 rrs hst. I wonder they would have the same problem?
Good evening simon 👏👏👏👍👍👍
Houston was informed about a problem. Didn’t know of a new problem in Euston?
Good point - I have amended the spelling on the title ( but cannot change the first part of the video )
Came here specifically (or maybe pacifically)..to see if anyone else picked this…
There's a visible fault with that LR, you've put a Volvo seat cover in it 😮 It ain't happy 😂😂
That could explain it !.. a bit like inviting your old girlfriend over to meet the wife....
The seat cover’s the only reliable part of the vehicle.
Have you checked a spark plug is tight?
I reckon its a fuel injection problem Simon
That was my guess but not correct !
Duff Coil?
You have won the free T Shirt ! it turns out it was a duff coil - i was a little confused by the fact there were no hydrocarbons - if it was still injecting and there was no ignition what happened to the fuel ? Send you details and size to customer service on our website and i will get some merch out to you !
Fuel injector not firing. Bad injector or no signal to injector.
No tuns out that was not the issue.
Why is the spare mounted backwards?
Its a new product we are working on.... to give more space and also add a ladder etc.
@ oh? I’m intrigued.
When I get an engine misfire, the first thing I do is check the oil level.
Very strange,doe this have cylinder deactivation?I wonder if the ECU has issues ,would be good to know the outcome,cheers guys 👍
I’d have cleaned that oil cap for sure
Hi Rob. Yes i need to do that - not sure how it has got that much condensation - the car is even kept inside.
@@L663 Low mileage so not getting hot often enough. Engine temperature is fluctuating with ambient temperature and causing condensation. When you do use it then oil is mixing with the condensation in the cap
@L663 Water vapour as a combustion product will migrate into the crankcase as a small amount of piston / cylinder wall leakage and possibly also via the exhaust valve guides into the camshaft "rocker" box. It will condense inside a cold engine and emulsify with oil if the engine is not brought up to working temperature. So a lot of cold starts and shunting around your workshops will not allow this water to be evaporated as the engine rarely warms up. The drive it 200 miles idea is good but maybe extreme. 50 miles weekly would be a good bet. Gathering the misfire was a coil pack, presumably yet another modern engine "feature" is inability to take out the plugs, crank and see six fat sparks ? The rocker box mayonnaise gloop was a regular feature in my youth helping a Post Office manager with his moonlighting engine rebuild operation for the ubiquitous knackered Austin 1100s driven presumably short distances by most of Plymouth's postmen.
It’s should be flashing engine light as it has a persistent miss fire which is cat damaging as per eobd and also if it’s there for 3 drive cycles the light should be on
the warning light needs a warning light which needs a warning light.. JLR
Usually with most modern cars when a misfire is detected the affected cylinder fuel injector will shut off to prevent damage to catalytic converter, im gonna ignition coil or spark plug is at fault, or harness to the ignition coil has corroded or having issues since its counting a miss fire, and most engine with timing off that runs wont detect that as a misfire.
Interesting that you say that the injectors shut off when the ignition fault is detected. I think you deserve a free T shirt or hat as you got the cause and the full explanation ! Send an email into our website with your details and size and i will get some merch out to you !
Computer chip. Al Gore, John Kerry.
No decent mech would put that filler cap back on without cleaning that 5h1t out
Clearly i am not a "decent mech".....
This is interesting being the 6 cylinder petrol version with trouble, our local Landrover workshop will not touch the 4 cylinder Engenium engine at all,they are an absolute disaster now you have issues with the 6 cylinder petrol.
I was looking at buying the new Defender to replace my old trusty classic Puma Defender with a new model Defender but this has got me thinking to move to another brand.very dissapointing!
In a way I cannot blame the one eyed Toyota and Nissan Patrol owners over here as all we get constantly is very negative news regarding the new Landrovers reliability in Aussie.
There are very few dealers here and more have closed down lately which is not a good look for Landrover.
So we need to keep this in perspective - this was only a coil pack failure but it was still a failure.
A problem with something under the bonnet? 😊
You nailed it !
I think it doesn't like your Volvo seat covers !
why would you not clean that oil cap before you put it back on..????
Invalidate my warranty !
That is a bit concerning, you have that issue for a 2024 at 840 miles? I have a 2021 at 51k miles with 7yr/125k miles of extended warranty 😮 This is why I buy CPO since all the anomalies have hopefully been fixed 😅
buying CPO ( certified pre-owned ) is probably a good idea - i think this failure is an early life "bathtub" curve failure.
Wouldn’t have those issues if it was a fully electric power train! Thats the best way forward for all LR and RR models as their petrol and diesel power trains are the Achilles heel of the marq.
All electric is so simple - its beautiful.... just need the batteries to improve and its game over for fuel burners !
What's the best motor Ingenium or ford ecoboost?
LOL. Both are known for problems.
So are you trading it for a landcruiser?
Anybody know if the D300/D350 in the new range rover are bmw/alpina tuned engines?
I own 2023 Land Rover Defender, p400e, x. Yesterday check engine light vent on, car was driving fine, but with weird noise, it was very cold outside. I went straight to my garage. We don't have an official Land Rover dealer in my country. I have connected the gap tool, following errors came out -p3039-92(6c), P1A22-00 (A8), P0AFA-00 (AC). I have tried to clear faults, but they still appear. In the morning I connected again, and could not clear them, but the little engine sign next to the faults had gone, and the check engine light went off. I drove the car for about 20 km, just fine, no strange noises or anything, no check engine lights. Can anybody help me with it? Should I just keep driving and observe?
So is there any engine that will last. 3,4,6 petrol diesel - they can’t all be bad can they?
P400 owner here 35K miles no issues. Guess electrical fault. No fuel injected into number 4 cylinder.
Close...
Bad fuel and clogged injector?
How about a hint? Is it possible that same problem could occur on a 40 years old vehicle? Is it a high tech problem?
It could happen on a 40 year old car... sort of..
Bad spark plug wire?
Is there tech that is no spark, fuel will not be sent. That’s why smog check does not show in burned fuel. I’m sure you would have figured bad spark plug wire
Stick to the VM RRC mate, I'm sticking to my 300 tdi RRC.
VM still going strong !
Coil pack ?
It needs a good Italian tune up 😂
Recurrent ECM Issue?
2020 p400 owner. Needs a new turbo at 83k km fyi
How much are those diagnostic machines £500?
Should have bought the diesel D300.
It does seem to be the better engine.
Hi. New here. What scanner is that please?
Looks excellent
That is the GAP Diagnostics IID tool - Generation 4 ( you need the Gen4 on the Defender )
Ah, you almost had me, but clearly this is a result of a banana in the tailpipe.
You could be correct but there are twin tailpipes so it would need at least 2 bananas - no one is going to waste 2 bananas !
@L663 haha, great point.
I thought all the ones on the Ivory Coast were stolen.
Have you still got the Stig?
Yes its part of the family !
Land Rover is taking a page out of Toyotas playbook and not activating CELs when it should.
So true !
Best advice I can give is to avoid all land rover and jag together. Very very bad reliability record.
I am thinking injector issue on cylinder 4.
Not injector
If the car has detected a misfire it will have most likely switch the injector of. I'm voting ignition coil
Correct on both counts !
Ahhh, the legendary Jaguar Land Rover reliability 😂😅
Can be summed up in few words, it's a JLR engine so hence it's f***in' useless!!! I'm used to Audis still running on untouched engines at over 300,000 miles.
Low bty?
Yes
Because they hardly drive the vehicle
And
Only very short drives
And it sits for a long time.
None of this is good for the engine, or exhaust system / cat converters etc
The engine etc, never gets up to a warm temp !
As Simon says
Only done 840 miles
Ask Hertz about electric cars.
Ingenium = Stay Well Clear ...
800 miles how the hell is that possible when you consider all parts are practically brand new on there....
There some serious design flaws in these new engines....And as for other engines with these wet belt systems...😢
The problem is that Landrovers are well designed vehicles that are badly engineered and Landrover still don’t seem to be able to convert a protype to a production model in a way that produces a consistent result.
Software and electronics do not make a vehicle unreliable - poor software development and terrible production engineering are the problem.
In this day and age they still require dealers to do software updates?
The software updates are done over the air on our new Defenders
Crank issue?
Good guess but not correct !
Making good combustion engines is both a science and an art and Ingenium engines are uhm no piece of art. Say what you will about Ford and BMW, they know how to make engines. JLR don't have the talent or resources, which is why they're bowing out of making engines. When the L322 came out with a BMW engine, that's part of what made it legendary. When Ford took over the L322 was also blessed with top-tier engines. Tata/JLR just isn't the same. Good luck bro!
Ford! Their wet engines are a complete disaster
Ford what about the wet belts
@@JonathanMoitie Ford makes a lot of engines, right. Some are made to cost. They are not great. When they want to make a good engine, they can and they do. When JLR wants to make a great engine, I'm not convinced they can. Anyone can make a bad engine, but not all can make a good engine.
@@tambarskelfir
So by your logic Ford couldn’t be bothered making a great engine, they thought they’d design this wet belt system and give themselves a bad reputation for what reason exactly
@@macsmith6216 By my logic you should read what I wrote and not tell me what I wrote. Thanks!
As there were no HC in the exhaust and everything else is fine my money would be on a stuck or failed injector.