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#ff14 #ffxiv #mmorpg
trials and extreme trials and extreme dungeons + raids is literally some of the most high stakes intense sweaty moments i have had in ANY mmo , so fun! its only PVP that is very bad because the game isnt design for high movement speed and dashing around like wow, but standing still and executing most attacks
Pvp in this game is alot of fun if you give it a shot. Most people don't and I admit that pvp is not for everyone, but it's a hell of alot more fun than most people give it credit for
Last time i played this game i felt asleep during a dungeon and still cleared
You must be special then. Clearly no one else ever has had a similar experience.
literally fell asleep/ dozing in a voldeez hm 1623 and still cleared quite a few times.
It's a game for the stupid casual. 1-1-1-1-2-1-1-1-1-2-
People here are laughably delusional. Either too young to know better or too brainless to handle an actual MMO.
Same… especially the story duty roulette
same
I disagree. Combat is so bad and boring in this game. No combat should not be. "Play ultimate for it to get good and fun." A game should be fun from the get go. Not fun if you are the minority of the player base. Though I guess when you started talking about Lost Ark. I really stopped watching this video. I am not a fan of Diablo. I am not going enjoy a Korean version of Diablo.
I agree. Combat should have a fun foundation and build from there. XIV is sleep inducing. Jobs are terrible, dungeons are just corridors.
I'm a bit late for this but I agree. I just ran Expert on lvl 100 and a leveling duty roulette and I feel burned out again already. The over-scripted encounters where everything is on a repeat loop, the boring rotations and the fact that I get leveled down every time, outside of current trials, max lvl dungeons and the raid is a killer imo. I really wanted to stick to the game this time around but I just can't. I have all jobs on max, done the ex trials and even dipped into savage raiding which I stopped due to a bad static.
The game's biggest issue in my eyes is that old content is TOO relevant. Eureka, Bozja, old dungeons. I get that new players need people to play with but at the cost of my own gameplay experience? No thanks.
"Do ultimate content" is the only excuse fanbase has to cope with the games boring combat, as if doing annoying mechanics is gonna enhance the combat in any way
@@songoku6067 A friend often tells me "You've got too much time to play. You can do savage if youre bored." I dont want to though. Why do I have to play hard content to be engaged by the game when I want to do fun and chill activities. Combat doesn't need to be hard to be engaging but the game lacks in reward for playing content. I want to dive into the new expansion with new stuff not into Stormblood to grind Eureka e.g. and I think thats the issue. Old and synched content sucks because the jobs get enhanced, reworked and rebalanced for newer stuff so losing half your skillset feels shit.
YES DUDE THE STAND UP CONTENT
What FF14 combat does well i feel is that its easy to get into but hard to master
It also feels bad at lower level and gets better at higher level
There isn't anything to 'master'. Unlike other MMOs the core depth and mmo features of the gameplay have all been gutted. MP management, aggro, TP, you name it really. It's as shallow as a puddle. #Healerstrike was started by experienced veterans, not nobodies without endgame experience. For those of us who started at beta we have seen the game dwindle to a toddlers mmo. Where people don't even grasp how to keep up a single DoT or positional rotation. Even grease lightning was totally removed from the game, because people found upkeep and effort 'stressful'. What it is, is pathetic and with the weak story of Dawntrail is now a game that appeals to who they want it to. The brainless casual. For the sake of money of course and that's their choice, it's a cash cow the company relies upon.
There's no room for growth in skill anymore. Thats why they lowered the ceiling. To prevent anyone being able to achieve more with experience/skill over new players. They do this because the Japanese are afraid of confrontation and disagreement.
Ultimately it's a snoozefest to anyone with a brain installed. Body check mechanics at high level content show that individual participation isn't even supposed to be a factor since all your effort can be trivialized by someone else's lack of effort.
Spamming 1-1-1-1-2-1-1-1-1 on a healer is not 'hard to master' and you apologists are delusional. Games were so difficult comparatively 20 years ago that none of you would even be able to play them. It's laughable.
@@libertylizard_ I’ve never played a healer and I started in endwalker so I’m a newbie compare to most. i can def understand your frustration but damn bro you didn’t need to call me brainless 😂😂
''Hard to master''
Lol
How is it hard to master to press 123 and making sure you're actually pressing your cooldowns once every 60 seconds when they come back up?
The game just further closes the skill gap more and more with every patch. There is nothing to master besides maybe uptime, which is becoming increasingly easy as well.
I'm convinced the game is legitimately being made for monkeys at this point.
@@keanu7318 This is because the game constantly makes an appeal to the lowest denominator. The skill ceiling of the game just dropped through the basement and people are still crying to have any sort of gameplay friction removed, and the devs keep listening. Be it gap closers losing damage, positionals being removed or buttons consolidated into 1 button.
Been here since the start. And yes it is. Its stale.
The games battles is only the 2 min windows and nothing else. And then they are making all these bullshit mechs while this window so you die and lose your whole damage for the fight and even get more punished when you get a rez with a 2min - damage debuff. Such a dumb system.
Great video king
This my new favorite stand up comedian
Tbh I think one of FFs bigger problems is the MSQ grind for new players. I feel like it's reaching a boiling point with the release of Dawntrail, as asking a friend to try out the game sounds nice until you tell them they need to play through nearly 1000 quests and hundreds of hours just to catch up. I know MMO's are made more for a dedicated fanbase, but with every new expansion that comes out, that grind just becomes even more daunting and unrealistic to ask of a new player, and new players equals more money and potential for the game.
I've got over 250 hours in the game myself and I'm still in Endwalker. I got my cousin to play the game and he's currently in HW, but it's still a slow crawl even with me giving him a ride with the Regalia mount and quite frankly it's boring when your experience with a friend boils down to slowly waiting for them to get to their next dungeon so you can actually play together, and then on top of that your skill's that you've unlocked are all Thanos snapped because of level scaling. Maybe it's just me idk.
Is there any way to skip?
@@moru2546 you need ot buy story skip
At the beginning it's good. At the end game when you're actually playing different classes and jobs it's a no. Healer is notoriously boring and awful to play and that's not a rare opinion. Most people genuinely hate how Healer feels and plays which has only gotten worse every single patch. Tanking is too easy. Your rotation is literally 3 buttons and occasionally a Tank Ability but other than that you're not doing most mechanics. Your job is to just stand there in one spot or get you role reduced to a Blue DPS job as the Boss requires coordinated team movement as it spams AOEs at everyone. The problem is DPS Roles are the only fun ones and the underlying issue everyone has been hinting at with every single expansion. The fights are an interesting challenge but the lack any sort of real freedom. At the highest levels where people are just going for record times the party comps are running no Healers, why? Because DPS roles come with Heals and Resurrection abilities that rival actual healers when use in coordinated effort. It's extremely in favor of DPS roles and everything outside of that is straight up boring and bad. It's a very hard problem to explain but whenever you're waiting on a Healer or a Tank you know the real reason now. Everyone is playing DPS and that's a genuine problem in itself because of how slow it is to gear. Mathematically speaking it'd take years to get every single Job properly equipped. So on top of a boring Role to play there's actually no real reason to go outside and explore other classes despite the game telling you otherwise that you can but you really shouldn't.
Endgame is just abysmal to basically non-existent. The bosses are amazing but literally everything else from your character, jobs, attacks, abilities, job-switching, gear progression, MSQ, and doing Dailies for their miniscule rewards are just all bad. Which is an astounding position to be in for a popular MMO and why it's hard to pierce through the fanbase thick layer of toxic positivity just because the game sold well when people aren't really playing it...
"At the highest levels where people are just going for record times the party comps are running no Healers, why?" All the fastest kill times run a standard comp but whatever you say. Also getting gear is super easy outside of bis. 🤡
But that's why I love to play Tank? You just need to keep boss aggro and maybe in some fight move a bit. Let the DPS and Healer do all of the annoying mech, then when they screw up/fail you can just shout at them.
Can always go for the God Complex like Jocat's saying in the video, you can do no wrong, it's everybody else :D
@@ValkyrionX2Might as well not play or play a single player. Why water down the combat?
Is Lost Ark still a thing? I haven't heard about it since the pre-launch hype.
having every pull different in lost ark was so much more fun to do then xiv's the "mathematically optimal rotation" for that specific fight has been created now just follow the script and pray you crit.
especially since the fights as of late are designed so your most intense and important part of your rotation to execute, your burst window is gonna arrive during the parts of the fight with downtime/no mechanics. (even in the latest ultimate fights)
they do got mahjong though so they get good boy points for that.
Unfortunately LOA's great combat is surrounded by a shit game
? Recent Savage fights have had 2 minutes purposefully align with mechanics.
I started FF 14 two days before the DT update. I've been playing the DT MSQ since I paid for early access and their version of the power pass and character boost, so I have a level 90 gunbreaker. It's nice to play a semi-real tank. I'm using a controller with my PC because reasons. It's been fun, did my first duty thing yesterday so my character is at level 93 now. The DT story is not great and takes a lot of time to go through. I'm 20% through it so far. I'm enjoying it, and the people I've played with are much nicer than most of the people in LOA.
this is the worst, absolute worst take i've ever heard. do not buy boosts, just play the game. you paid for the game, bought the game. so play the game. don't just play 10% of a game.
you are 1. missing out on so much yourself 2. wasting money 3. probably dragging down the people you're playing with because you don't understand anything of the game because you just skipped everything
FF14 is not an MMORPG. it is an RPGMMO. what you are doing rn is the equivalent of buying the Witcher, and buying some sort of pass that takes you to the very end of the game
@@xxephon THIS is the worst, absolute worst take i've ever heard. everyone is allowed to experience the game how they want to. just bc you might be a story steven doesn't mean that guy has to be. stop gatekeeping fun lil caterpillar.
@@bench2346 it’s literally not even about the story, he can skip the story if he wants to. it’s about the fact he skipped 100+ dungeons, 80+ raids, probably like 80+ trials
all just so he can… play dawntrail, the most recent expansion which currently DOESNT EVEN have any raids yet and the first ones won’t come out for a month, and they won’t even be fully released until like half a year
he can skip every cutscene, he doesn’t have to watch the story. but why the fuck buy a game and then do this.
it’s literally like buying a movie and then only watching the last 5 mins to see how it ends. at that point, why even buy the movie?
@@xxephon And he can do all of that later if he want to. Buying the boost doesn't lock him out of any dungeons, trials or raids. New game+ and book in the inn exist.
@@xxephon it says a lot that you're getting so mad about how someone else chooses to enjoy a game. unclutch the pearls and remove the beads
Of the MMOs I've played, I've enjoyed Ultimate raids the most amongst endgame PvE activities. They generally have engaging mechanics that require solving based on various indications, debuffs, etc. The entire raid is involved in resolving mechanics. And most importantly, the barrier to entry is *very* low compared to other MMOs, especially for old ultimates that you can easily use sync'd gear for. WoW's mythic raids tend to be a lot less mechanically involved and require a lot of out-of-raid time commitment, Guild Wars 2 and ESO don't really have super difficult endgame pve at all, I played some Lost Ark around NA launch and it had some interesting stuff going on, but the amount of grinding and mindless/tedious chores/daily tasks/etc. to do to engage in the fun content was way too much, so I dropped it during early-mid T3.
The moment-to-moment combat in FF14 is definitely not the best in the genre, but the games I've played with better combat don't generally have the other aspects that I find more important.
I felt asleep while playing. Cooldowns skills are too slow
As a ff veteran, I find the combat to be extremely boring, but also extremely punishing.
Yes it's simple, on paper. But then you have a 30 buttons rotation and any mistake you make will kill you and potentially lead to a wipe.
You talk about perfect pulls - higher level content will DEMAND perfect pulls every time, basically.
I just don't like that. Combat shouldn't be a perfect choregraphy that everybody's learnt by heart...
Combat is fine, story is beyond boring chore run its tedious to the point that i quit right after i beat RR.
heres a thought. raids should have bosses do more aoe dmg especially autos frequently hitting aoe and hitting tanks more often, tanks move the boss to a spot due to whatever, dps should have their personal heals stripped and healers should get 1 more dps button. (not that theyd need it because if dps didnt have their own heals, they'll literally fulltime heal). this should halt the "boredom" rants then we'll hear the "its too hard wtf" cries and itll be soothing.
this would spice up combat also.
I feel like im the only one who really enjoys FFXIVs combat...and im playing since 2.0... i do think EW casual content was too boring. Good thing Dawntrail is really neat in that category
I play XIV just for the story. I really don't like having a rotation with 10+ buttons. Maybe I'm just old, but it's just not fun. The complexity can be in the mechanics, it doesn't have to be finger acrobatics.
It's really not that bad
You can always play Astro. That shit will keep your hands busy at all times, lol.
U play the game for the endless fetch quests with a bit of story u mean
You mean to tell me that content that is made to be easy, that's meant for a story-driven audience is boring to someone who's done high level combat content?
SAY IT AINT SO.
Just wish there wasn't 500 hours of MSQ. I stopped in Stormblood it was getting soooo boring. HW was pretty damn good, but man SB bored me out.
Way back in the day I just bought the story skip to shadowbringers lol… I’m not a big story guy but if you don’t want to spend money then yeah game probably isn’t for you unfortunately
Black desert has the best combat in the genre.
Starting FF14 is sleep fest. Game is unplayable till level 80. The roulette forcing you to the lockout skills is damning.
As example, Viper has 1 button in lvl 30 sync. Pressing 1 button for 30 minutes makes you want to uninstall before you will ever get to ultimates.
Yeah ff14 isnt a mmorpg thats why. Its more of a story rpg themepark. Once u done with the story and ride...its all over. And nothing to do.
i would play FFXIV but i hate subscriiption type of payment
It's so unfair , i'm an causal player sometimes just play 10 day in a month but always i should give them a full month !!
@@s.a4034 Yeah, they should just put a battlepass into the game instead. get rid of the subscription and start putting more stuff into the mogstation, even things like xp boosts. I don't see why not.
I quit lost ark over 1 year ago for ffxiv and it was the best decision I ever made, yes the story can be extremely boring but not needing to feel like im a 9-5 corporate wage slave to a game that actively tries to milk me for any money I have opens the door for you to actually enjoy the game you are playing. I fully agree with you that lost arks combat clears any current mmo, but id like to input that its alot easier to be a good lost ark player than it is to be a good ffxiv player so I have found personal enjoyment in that aspect of ffxiv, learning my rotations around certain encounters. I have high hopes that ffxivs raids are going to keep getting better and better. I also agree that ffxiv does a terrible job at teaching new players the game even to their own detriment but I can’t recommend the game enough to anyone whos tired of games that don’t respect you as a player :)
It funny seeing this as a vet of 14 as someone who is so use to the combat we complain that it’s 2 dumbed down now. Not realizing how complex it is for new players coming into the game to learn how to juggle rotations with boss mech at the same time.
I would have loved to see him try hardcore raids in heavenward when the classes were 10 time harder to pilot and the raid were just as difficult also lmao
There is nothing 'complex' about it. All you're doing is contributing to the weakness and stupidity of pathetic casuals who are allergic to any form of effort.
is this a real FF14 vid? I thought it was a requirement to have your fursona do all the talking
I came from ff14 to lost ark , and consept of having 100 key for a fight isent intresting anymore , i rather have 8 but its burn into my brain and sometime even surprize myself that how clean and smooth i can react to boss in lost ark .
Sucks
Yes.
The answer is 100% yes but the game's draw is more than combat. As far as MMO's on the market, it's one of the big 3 & even though it's combat is garbage, it's a game that ALL mmo's should look up to. It's biggest draw is the social aspect of the game. Period. New player experience? Top notch. Mid game? Top notch. End game? Top notch. Social aspects of the game? Top notch. Compared to lost ark where it's only redeeming quality is the game play combat loop ... FF14 just laps LoA repeatedly everywhere else.
@ChrisJames-qi8oe Depends on the person but as far as player retention and representation, FF14 has an exponentially higher player count than LOA. Even if you added KR players, FF14 still has a multitude more players. It isn't for hardcore mindset players, it's for casual players. Some of it is hardcore but even the hardest raids are far more choreographed than LOA. At the end of the day, FF14 is just more popular.
LOA is extremely good at what it represents, but what it represents just isn't popular. Which in the end will get it shut down everywhere except KR unless they do things like even BDO does now. Pretty bad when a game like BDO known for it's predatory practices even backs off that philosophy and tailors a lot more to casual players. Why? Long term revenue of casual players out pace heavy swipers. Revenue is all that matters for these companies.
@ChrisJames-qi8oe Based on my 9k hours in LOA, I think the average LOA player has a negative IQ ... so not sure if you meant that as an insult or not. Not every game is for everyone and not every game needs to be needlessly complex. Everyone's version of fun is different.
@ChrisJames-qi8oe Most games nowadays focus more on addictive loops, selling you a problem and putting the solution as microtransactions. I'd honestly say, there really isn't any super difficult games out. At least to me, nothing competes against things like Master Ninja difficulty in Ninja Gaiden or the original feeling of raiding in vanilla WoW back in 2004. Can't really replicate that kind of difficulty anymore without placing absurd requirements that break the immersion of raids or encounters. At least to me, nothing substantially new or innovative has released in the gaming industry in almost 20 years. It's all just a replication of one thing or another.
@ChrisJames-qi8oe For me, the hardest part of that is trying to do speed runs. At least through Sunrise, every monster is fairly choreographed. And depends on the weapon as to how braindead you want to play. As for open world, I love the idea. Not sure how they will fair in implementing it though. I love the "play at your own pace" not forced story lines, if that makes sense.
havnt watched yet but the answer is yes.
I feel like he tried to defend the combat.. but just made it sound worse than I already thought it was.
Is the combat in elden ring difficult? No, its pretty simple and essy to understand. Are ENCOUNTERS easy? No absolutely not. So maybe we dont judge the combat and call it boring based in a vacuum and we look at encounters?
Lol dont compare those games combat to ff, what a laughable take the reason those games combat are good is because u have to dodge, parry, move and plan each of ur strikes not ff where u just mash ur boring gcds and move out of an aoe every now and then
yes it is boring
XIV is fun, but the community is so trash
aka literally every online game that exists
@@TheTidesong Imagine the worst game community you can think of, and XIV is 10x worse.
@@czekskii lol you havent played many online games then
@@czekskii no it not only the elititst raiders
yes its boring, the whole game is boring, i feel asleep when play this game