Congratulations to Adam Ford for covering Abolitionism. Usually no one will touch this with a ten foot pole, including no one within Transhumanist Community. The closest they come is to speak on Nootropics and enhanced intelligence, which isnt close, really. I only support David Pearce within anything Transhumanist. The man is a White Light in a Shades-of-Grey & Dark World. That's why he isn't appreciated. Also no one seems to understand this; for instance this leads to less superficiality and much more depth & you have people posting the opposite, that it will cause superficiality. That's like saying if hypothetically 100% of all people had depression and they spoke of a world where only a minority had depression, it would cause superficiality. The individuals commenting in objection are visualizing something different than what David is referring to. They are imagining B while David is referring to A... David is talking about Apples, then they will reply and say "Oranges are Bad" The objections are to states and conditions that Pearce is not proposing and imagining, they are a altered version. Pearce will talk about a state where one is never bored, someone will reply "that would get boring"; Pearce will speak of a state where your functioning and ability to work is increased along with your hedonic setpoint, someone will reply that it would make you sit on the couch all day -- every single objection to abolitionism is a person visualizing something DIFFERENT than what David Pearce is envisioning. How would you like it if you did a blog on the Ideal-Version of some concept, the others replied to you referring to the non-Ideal aspects that you never proposed? Those in objection to this fail to understand it. Hes pointing north and you are criticizing the south. Hes talking about a piece of software without bugs and you reply envisioning one with bugs and criticize the non-existent bugs he never envisioned. that doesnt make any sense. Fuck, I dont know what kind of analogy to use with you.
One of my favourite videos of all time. David's clarity of thought paired with Ulrich Schnauss' music, along with the excellent editing really makes this one of best futurist videos out there.
I have somewhat different vision for the future. Sub-wireheading will mildly boost confidence and motivation. Future nootropics and neurogenesis compounds will grow more hippocampus brain cells(the hippocampus being the main area that is shrunken in anxious and dysthymic and depressed people). Fear is the ultimate cause of suffering. Study after study and many people's experiences show that fear leads to anxiety, fustration, suffering, and other bad things. The surgical removal of the fear centers of the brain will drastically reduce or even eliminate fear. It's the fearless imperative. Maybe fear is somewhere in the amygdala. And there's a cool video that shows just how limiting fear and PTSD and extreme anxiety is. All fear does is holds us back from standing up for what's right and from following our dreams. Without fear, we become limitless. A future where people can get the fear removed from the mind would be such a wonderful future, it's almost unimaginable. It's amazing!
If you wirehead yourself, meaning that if you artificially stimulate the pleasure centers of your brain using electricity, then it still stays pleasurable indefinitely. It's still intensely pleasure after two days as it after two minutes. You don't get bored and it never gets dull. This is hard to imagine, but it's true. Boredom is mediated by neural feedback mechanisms, and they don't seem to kick in during wireheading. If we can inhibit them somehow, then boredom will become impossible.
Loved approach and subject matter, music was a little monotonous for such a modern subject. Wasn't clear whether these states were induced for temporary happiness or permanent - and that is the question
Don't let one bad experience put you off. Taking set, setting, dose and substance in to account, and having a decent trip sitter will minimize any risk of a bad trip. A decent trip sitter, or even just using some mindfulness techniques yourself, can turn a bad experience in to a beneficial one.
There are heaps of original interviews/talks with David Pearce that I have subsequently added to my channel - here is a playlist: th-cam.com/play/PL-7qI6NZpO3vnT5vuNYeOqyBT56iovmh6.html
Yes, depression and anger are just evolutionarily advantageous. That is all. No Tantric God or hidden purpose in our stupid design. We are how we are because we are the product of evolution. We can, though, recalibrate ourselves.
Exactly what I was thinking. At least for now, I don't trust myself to be able to naturally maintain the mental equanimity required to make a good trip.
This videos doesn't do his manifesto justice, before arguing his points read the manifesto. Many of the points brought up in this comment section are discussed critically in it. I'm not sure how I feel about it, but I'm pretty damn sure something like it will come to pass soon enough.
It's hard to do any justice to his HI manifesto in 8 minutes - my intention for this video is to be a teaser for the HI manifesto and for a future documentary on the subject!
+Arms Nam Not really. Look up the paradox of hedonism. A much better way to reduce suffering would be to dramatically reduce fear while preserving sadness. Sadness is important, as it's where love is born from. What's not important is primitive Darwinian fear. Fear is the REAL enemy!
Yes, the plan outlined by Pearce would completely eliminate the experience of pain while maintaining the crucial functional role it provides us (aversion to harmful stuff).
I don't really get, what he means... where can find the happy button? And if we find it..? ... wouldn't it get dull after a while if we'd just press that happy trigger mechanism..? Perhaps genuine happiness requires a complex narrative... a narrative with a tension curve... (ups & downs & happy ends... and so on...)
He has a lot of interesting ideas. His fear of psychedelics is disappointing though; just as much, if not more, can be learned about one's self from bad trips.
He does not fear psychedelics... he thinks their use, even when sustainable, shall be superseded by superior chemicals, superior chemical regimens, and (ultimately) optimally tweaked, superior chemical regimens, as utilized by a genetically modified humanity. Seen in perspective, it's not so much that something like LSD cannot "open the door to better days", but that it does so more violently, less consistently, and with more risk, than will eventually be routinely effected through other technologies.
I have been told that one can learn as much from, if not more from, a bad trip than from a good trip. I would like it very much if more people were more cheerful, more optimistic, more *positive* as a default state, but sometimes things which are unpleasant can be nonetheless useful. Not EVERY unpleasant thing of course, but some of them.
"There is no such thing as a bad trip, just a difficult one". Bad trips happen for usually very specific reasons, up to and including "set and setting", unresolved personal issues that people are terrified of facing within themselves, and any number of variables. But if you consider yourself a curious, intelligent person looking for knowledge, you have to accept that you're refusing to seek out certain kinds of knowledge (like those from tripping on psychedelics) out of fear. What do you fear?
Aah, on trail of contented slavery are we?! Do you think slavery, peadophilia n genocide would be justifiable if suffering were made to appear physiologically impossible then?
Phasing out sadness will only create a mean and superficial society. To ACTUALLY reduce suffering by a significant degree, we must phase out most of primitive Darwinian fear while keeping the very important sadness and love. Sadness can provide the road to love. Love leads to joy. Bravery and fearlessness leads to unity and activism towards logically better society. Sadness is important! Neosuffering(sadness without fear) hurts far less than regular suffering. There will always be some level of suffering, but it's better to have a sense of achievement and bravery and logic than to be always being laughing and feeding off of others. Overhappiness isn't rational! Becoming fearless and logical is rational.
Picture another planet that is worse than this one and everyone feels worse than here on Earth. Now picture people on that planet saying if they had it better, it would make them more superficial. This is what you are doing, just scale everything downward and make your state and your community the pretend proposition. Are you more superficial because you arent super depressed? no, youre less actually. Now why would you be more superficial if that setpoint was scaled up higher? God damn it every person here is incoherent.
You totally missed the point. Genetically messing with setpoints is not stable. A much higher setpoint won't eliminate suffering, it will only disguise it. The Fearless Imperative is a far better way to tackle the age old problem of suffering. Fear reduction will allow future humans to feel far less pain from the suffering while also allowing them to detect what's going wrong and come up with logical long term answers to problems instead of being fearful or aggressive. Why do you avoid the topic of primitive Darwinian fear?
Why is genetically messing with setpoints not stable? Eliminating the neurophysiology of suffering will by definition eliminate suffering, not mask it. Fear is only a very small aspect of suffering. Eliminating fear will not do much to mitigate suffering.
Congratulations to Adam Ford for covering Abolitionism. Usually no one will touch this with a ten foot pole, including no one within Transhumanist Community. The closest they come is to speak on Nootropics and enhanced intelligence, which isnt close, really. I only support David Pearce within anything Transhumanist. The man is a White Light in a Shades-of-Grey & Dark World. That's why he isn't appreciated.
Also no one seems to understand this; for instance this leads to less superficiality and much more depth & you have people posting the opposite, that it will cause superficiality. That's like saying if hypothetically 100% of all people had depression and they spoke of a world where only a minority had depression, it would cause superficiality.
The individuals commenting in objection are visualizing something different than what David is referring to. They are imagining B while David is referring to A... David is talking about Apples, then they will reply and say "Oranges are Bad" The objections are to states and conditions that Pearce is not proposing and imagining, they are a altered version. Pearce will talk about a state where one is never bored, someone will reply "that would get boring"; Pearce will speak of a state where your functioning and ability to work is increased along with your hedonic setpoint, someone will reply that it would make you sit on the couch all day -- every single objection to abolitionism is a person visualizing something DIFFERENT than what David Pearce is envisioning. How would you like it if you did a blog on the Ideal-Version of some concept, the others replied to you referring to the non-Ideal aspects that you never proposed? Those in objection to this fail to understand it. Hes pointing north and you are criticizing the south. Hes talking about a piece of software without bugs and you reply envisioning one with bugs and criticize the non-existent bugs he never envisioned. that doesnt make any sense. Fuck, I dont know what kind of analogy to use with you.
One of my favourite videos of all time. David's clarity of thought paired with Ulrich Schnauss' music, along with the excellent editing really makes this one of best futurist videos out there.
Cheers :D
@@scfu With the recent wave of LLM progress, this video hits harder than ever. Just wanted to show my appreciation 7 years later.
I have somewhat different vision for the future. Sub-wireheading will mildly boost confidence and motivation. Future nootropics and neurogenesis compounds will grow more hippocampus brain cells(the hippocampus being the main area that is shrunken in anxious and dysthymic and depressed people). Fear is the ultimate cause of suffering. Study after study and many people's experiences show that fear leads to anxiety, fustration, suffering, and other bad things. The surgical removal of the fear centers of the brain will drastically reduce or even eliminate fear. It's the fearless imperative. Maybe fear is somewhere in the amygdala. And there's a cool video that shows just how limiting fear and PTSD and extreme anxiety is. All fear does is holds us back from standing up for what's right and from following our dreams. Without fear, we become limitless. A future where people can get the fear removed from the mind would be such a wonderful future, it's almost unimaginable. It's amazing!
If you wirehead yourself, meaning that if you artificially stimulate the pleasure centers of your brain using electricity, then it still stays pleasurable indefinitely. It's still intensely pleasure after two days as it after two minutes. You don't get bored and it never gets dull. This is hard to imagine, but it's true. Boredom is mediated by neural feedback mechanisms, and they don't seem to kick in during wireheading. If we can inhibit them somehow, then boredom will become impossible.
Loved approach and subject matter, music was a little monotonous for such a modern subject. Wasn't clear whether these states were induced for temporary happiness or permanent - and that is the question
thanks - more to come!
Thank you, David Pearce. I like the way you think...you are a visionary!
Don't let one bad experience put you off. Taking set, setting, dose and substance in to account, and having a decent trip sitter will minimize any risk of a bad trip. A decent trip sitter, or even just using some mindfulness techniques yourself, can turn a bad experience in to a beneficial one.
This was incredibly fascinating! Are there more parts to this being released?
There are heaps of original interviews/talks with David Pearce that I have subsequently added to my channel - here is a playlist: th-cam.com/play/PL-7qI6NZpO3vnT5vuNYeOqyBT56iovmh6.html
Yes, depression and anger are just evolutionarily advantageous. That is all. No Tantric God or hidden purpose in our stupid design. We are how we are because we are the product of evolution. We can, though, recalibrate ourselves.
Exactly what I was thinking. At least for now, I don't trust myself to be able to naturally maintain the mental equanimity required to make a good trip.
This videos doesn't do his manifesto justice, before arguing his points read the manifesto. Many of the points brought up in this comment section are discussed critically in it. I'm not sure how I feel about it, but I'm pretty damn sure something like it will come to pass soon enough.
It's hard to do any justice to his HI manifesto in 8 minutes - my intention for this video is to be a teaser for the HI manifesto and for a future documentary on the subject!
This video is an escape from the hedonic treadmill! :)
Hey can we get some subtitles on this thing?
I believe the subs have been generated!
Wonderful video The future will be amazing if we do it right! :)
Cheers, and glad you enjoyed it :)
will hedonistic views ever end pain
+Arms Nam Not really. Look up the paradox of hedonism. A much better way to reduce suffering would be to dramatically reduce fear while preserving sadness. Sadness is important, as it's where love is born from. What's not important is primitive Darwinian fear. Fear is the REAL enemy!
Yes, the plan outlined by Pearce would completely eliminate the experience of pain while maintaining the crucial functional role it provides us (aversion to harmful stuff).
No
very intelligent person
I don't really get, what he means... where can find the happy button?
And if we find it..?
... wouldn't it get dull after a while if we'd just press that happy trigger mechanism..?
Perhaps genuine happiness requires a complex narrative... a narrative with a tension curve... (ups & downs & happy ends... and so on...)
He has a lot of interesting ideas. His fear of psychedelics is disappointing though; just as much, if not more, can be learned about one's self from bad trips.
He does not fear psychedelics... he thinks their use, even when sustainable, shall be superseded by superior chemicals, superior chemical regimens, and (ultimately) optimally tweaked, superior chemical regimens, as utilized by a genetically modified humanity.
Seen in perspective, it's not so much that something like LSD cannot "open the door to better days", but that it does so more violently, less consistently, and with more risk, than will eventually be routinely effected through other technologies.
Some people take away great insights from bad trips, others are traumatized or it potentially triggers a genetic predisposition for schizophrenia etc.
I have been told that one can learn as much from, if not more from, a bad trip than from a good trip.
I would like it very much if more people were more cheerful, more optimistic, more *positive* as a default state, but sometimes things which are unpleasant can be nonetheless useful. Not EVERY unpleasant thing of course, but some of them.
The problem with genetic engineering always comes back to, "Who decides?" Government? Individual? A slippery slope, to say the least.
Parents.
lol - satan of course!
Unlimited soma for all
"There is no such thing as a bad trip, just a difficult one". Bad trips happen for usually very specific reasons, up to and including "set and setting", unresolved personal issues that people are terrified of facing within themselves, and any number of variables. But if you consider yourself a curious, intelligent person looking for knowledge, you have to accept that you're refusing to seek out certain kinds of knowledge (like those from tripping on psychedelics) out of fear. What do you fear?
Adlous Huxley's Brave New World brought me here!
David Pearce has an interesting critique on Huxley's Brave New World - th-cam.com/video/KpKTPgg8I68/w-d-xo.html
Aah, on trail of contented slavery are we?! Do you think slavery, peadophilia n genocide would be justifiable if suffering were made to appear physiologically impossible then?
The picture perfect world that they are painting is the only LIFE that they will know.
Indeed. Once we have discharged all our ethical responsibilities, why relive past horrors?
@@DavidPearce1 A humanidade precisa que você tenha uma vida longa e que mantenha essa lucidez, David! 👏👏
@@LuzeSombras88 abençoe. Você é muito gentil!
Phasing out sadness will only create a mean and superficial society. To ACTUALLY reduce suffering by a significant degree, we must phase out most of primitive Darwinian fear while keeping the very important sadness and love. Sadness can provide the road to love. Love leads to joy. Bravery and fearlessness leads to unity and activism towards logically better society. Sadness is important! Neosuffering(sadness without fear) hurts far less than regular suffering. There will always be some level of suffering, but it's better to have a sense of achievement and bravery and logic than to be always being laughing and feeding off of others. Overhappiness isn't rational! Becoming fearless and logical is rational.
Picture another planet that is worse than this one and everyone feels worse than here on Earth. Now picture people on that planet saying if they had it better, it would make them more superficial. This is what you are doing, just scale everything downward and make your state and your community the pretend proposition. Are you more superficial because you arent super depressed? no, youre less actually. Now why would you be more superficial if that setpoint was scaled up higher? God damn it every person here is incoherent.
You totally missed the point. Genetically messing with setpoints is not stable. A much higher setpoint won't eliminate suffering, it will only disguise it. The Fearless Imperative is a far better way to tackle the age old problem of suffering. Fear reduction will allow future humans to feel far less pain from the suffering while also allowing them to detect what's going wrong and come up with logical long term answers to problems instead of being fearful or aggressive. Why do you avoid the topic of primitive Darwinian fear?
Why is genetically messing with setpoints not stable?
Eliminating the neurophysiology of suffering will by definition eliminate suffering, not mask it.
Fear is only a very small aspect of suffering. Eliminating fear will not do much to mitigate suffering.