Orient Star 1964 2nd Edition: Is This Retro Refresh Worth it? [Review]
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- Orient Star Diver 1964 2nd Edition.
Reference: RE-AU0601B00B / RK-AU0601B
Full Specs (Orient Japan): www.orient-watch.jp/orientsta...
Tus Watches: www.tuswatches.com
Original Orient Star Diver: • The Best Premium Diver...
Today we are taking a long-delayed look at Orient's Current Top Diver. The 1964 2nd Edition. A retro refresh from their past. A remake of the Orient Calender Auto from 1964, brought up to modern Orient Star Standards.
Out of their current collection, it's their most expensive diver at around $1000 MSRP. However... is it really worth it?
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00:00 Intro
00:49 Tus
01:20 Specs
02:13 What you need to know
04:11 The Case
05:50 A Damn Shame
07:25 The Dial
11:10 Polarizing Meter
11:59 Lume
12:28 Movement
12:51 Bracelet
13:40 On The Wrist
14:11 Value?
16:19 Final Thoughts - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
Check out the Original Orient Star Diver: th-cam.com/video/YSqXiJ2v5T4/w-d-xo.html
Excellent video! I like your style. Informations, comparison, simple language...
Thank you
Best regards from Croatia
The most common way comments are started on your reviews is "Another great review. Shane! " And it is with good reason because this review lets the community see a watch that could be of interest to many thru the eye of a reasoned, detailed reviewer when it could be hard to be able to try the watch on wrist. You are trusted by so many of us. Thanks again. Your efforts are appreciated.
Thanks, your words are very much appreciated. Takes time to put these together, but I do it so others know before they buy.
Very thorough and righteous review - even by this channel standards ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐! Big thanks from an Orient fan 👍
Much appreciated!👍
Excellent review Shane. I also like the Orient brand, having a dress watch, a JDM Chronograph and my venerable orange bezel Mako XL, with the shake to wake movement, pressed clasp and hollow endlinks that actually fit perfectly with no wiggle! I agree that the price is a little bit high for this though. It is worth considering at a lower price though.
Haha its funny how people are complaining because Orient Star is charging for this watch what other brands will do for a watch of the same specs, I mean if you want a $2.000 watch, well... Spend $2.000 thats it. This is a $1.000 product and worth every penny. Is not a scam is just what it is. The loose endlink is just unforgivable tho
With loose bracelet and no AR it shouldn't be anywhere near 1000$. Tbh, even at 200-300$ I would be kinda disappointed to see such issues.
@@user-er5kg5cm3b I think youre overreacting, you cant just throw away the good features of this watch just to blame one (because it has AR coating) and put a price of 300 just for that
@@user-er5kg5cm3blike seikos loose ends inks and alignment issues on their 2000 divers? It is what it is. People still buy them.
Nice looking watch. I like the power reserve indicator at the 12. You won't mistake this for anything other than an Orient.....and I like that.
I was waiting on somebody to make a video about this model. Well done!
Glad you enjoyed it.
Thanks for this review which hits all the bases. I'm a little surprised that the indices are printed. With such a clean dial I think low relief applied markers would look great. I agree TUS are good people to deal with, especially for UK based people.
Love Orient - owned many over the years - but I wish they'd put a 4Htz movement in their higher-end models.
Even Patek, Lange, JLC use 3 Htz movements
Terrific review. Thanks Shane on all your reporting of various watches. While watching this video I noticed you had the 1964 in various bands which got me to wondering where I could find some of them. Have you considered a video with some of your favorite bands and where to find them? Thanks again
I was lucky enough to find a circa 1970 King diver last year and love it and it's worn every day.
Thanks, great review!
Greate! I was waiting this REPORT! Buying Orient, you never waste a money!!!
I'm watching this review looking at my zelos mako titanium on my wrist and thinking the zelos has better components throughout and it cost less than half the price of the orient star. Great review as always 👏
I bought the Star Diver and love it! Great value at under $600
Fine vid Shane. Thanks!
Great video thanks… I was oscillating between the two and I believe you’ve solidified my opinion to purchase the diver
Glad I could help
I am a fan of Orient/OS, having eight (Arena, Ray II, Kamasu, new Triton, 2 Triton/Neptunes, OS Diver, OS GMT). The only aspect of the 1964 that appeals to me is the smaller diameter. The power reserve meter is a feature I like, but realistically, the non-handwinding Arena is the only watch that really needs it. I see the power reserve as a good marketing differentiation between Orient and Orient Star watches. That is probably why Orients with power reserve meters have apparently all been discontinued.
The Orient Star Diver @$660 is my favorite Orient Star. Same movement as the 1964 2.0 with applied indices also.
As always. Love your reviews. I had an orient and also it. Looking for another one. This one is not.
I really think that Orient Star pieces are some of the most underrated pieces on the Japanese market! Love a good Orient
Try a thicker spring bar in the endlinks. Usually that will alleviate most, if not all the slop in the fitment.
Love my 3 Orient Saturation Divers OS300 which were Discontinued Around 2017. Cheers
Great review Shane! Had they kept the design of the 1st edition and tightened up those end links (wow that's awful even at $200-$300) they would have a certifiable winner, but no, they had to change it. I only have 2 name brand mechanical watches, a Mido & a Seiko, the rest are micro brands because the bang for buck is just too good to pass up.
Definitely not convinced by this one. The Cheshire is still on my radar after your review, and while I know it's not a diver I'd absolutely pick that up way before I'd consider this.
when i sae that in real i fell in love immediately, from the design, to the finish, to the pr complication, also the band, dial, i even dig the logo. what turns me off is the weird price policy which makes orient look like invicta, who puts fantasy prices on watches, and then you just buy them much cheaper anyways. why not put a reasonable official price on this watch like about 799 usd, and get some discount from a retailer to pay between 600-700 usd in the end, would make the whole watch look much better and serious competitor. cause i find it has much more character than tissot, mido, certina or many seiko in that price league. ignoring that weird price policy, its a stunner with great versatility and character imo.
Very well don review, I agree with you with the pro/cons. I love Orient Star, but 1000 is too much considering you have Mido or Tissot in the competence
So true, such a dissapointment with the price point. Lovely watch and honest watch review!
Thanks!
ORIENT offers some really great watches at excellent values. I think their best is their "Orient Star Sports Diver & trident/neptune diver" ? Can we have the link for that watch poster? 🙂 GREAT REVIEW!
Well the review for the Original orient Star Diver is here: th-cam.com/video/YSqXiJ2v5T4/w-d-xo.html
And my old review of the Neptune is here: th-cam.com/video/_j85VBjLzzQ/w-d-xo.html
I have the teal one and i think it´s very good. I would call it a dress diver with all the polished surfaces and the fancy dial. The msrp is a little high but i got it for the equivalent of $726 and that´s ok.
3:33 here in Poland Toyota is considered as a luxury car. 😳
I agree as per bit submarinerish. I have the green orient diver ltd JDM I paid $775 and now I see them with the extra strap at $680 gray market. Same movement and perhaps with bracelet I see this as an $800 max. Also agree on Orient Service. If an issue it needs to goto Japan although Orient USA can now handle swap outs of movements I understand.
Life with polished surfaces…👍
Love Orient, I have 4 of them. Those 4 watches cost half of this watch so i'm on the fence about this one
What i love the most is that - most probably - you're gonna sell this watch and - most... surely - the only review that's going to be around will be yours, tough sell it'll be, unlucky seller for sure! 😋 Still, your honesty will be untouched, as it sould and will be (for ever 💘😉).
Cheers Shane, always like your reviews, many turns on the way, as real life always is.
Yah, I probably will wind up selling it, but hopefully this video will take off and help me break even.
Little while back this one (well, the blueish green one) blipped up on my radar. I like it, indeed reminds me of early vintage submersible dive watches. 😉
But indeed, if I'm buying an Orient, it's because I know, like with Seiko, I'm getting a whopper of a deal for not thaaat much.
And that's just it... it's too much for an Orient (even if it's a 'Star'). Why the need to go 'exclusive and expensive' when you can do what you're good at and sell perhaps more affordable watches but at a higher volume atleast. Not sure enough about the Orient brand weight and the power indicator design for me to pick it over a Seiko Prospex SPB143J1 with a good discount.
I think I've owned 5 or 6 Orients. Love em never had a issue..the only issue I had was I bought a Orient Nami and dropped it the next day cracked the bezel tried to get it replaced called Orient USA in Los Angeles never got a call back or follow up then called back and was told part was no longer made or available after I was told it was and waited a few months ... other than that I love my Makos ,makos2,mako xl bambino4 and Nami... great value autos...
It sounds like their warranty service is awful.
I'm a huge Orient fan, but I'm not sure about Orient USA. Especially with their pricing on the Orient Stars. They seem to charge a lot more than MSRP.
@@RelativeTime thank you. Looking forward for your videos. They actually made me buy a couple of watches.)
I've had the green dial one for 2 months now.
Pros...It's even more attractive in real life than the videos. A very good looking watch with good clear legible dial.
Bracelet end links are fine in the model I have.
Cons...Accuracy. The 1st week was great but slowly got faster and has settled in at +14spd. I've checked for magnetism and it isn't.
Shane, I'm curious about the accuracy of yours if you wouldn't mind sharing.
Well, I haven't worn it lately, so I can't so what it is right now. I'm probably going to wind up selling it, as I just haven't been wearing it. Although I did have footage of it on a Time-Grappher in the video when I was actively wearing it. I think it was running +6 to 7 spd.
Thanks very much Shane. Do you think it's worth me sending it to Orient Japan for them to regulate it better than its current +14spd? It's technically still in spec for that movement, but I've read that many people with the same movement are getting accuracy in the single digits. Local Watchmakers here in Australia telll me that if they touch it, it will void the warranty. So it's frustrating to know that it's running a lot worse than most watches with this movement.
@@andrewbowden386 I know what you mean. I'd say try contacting them first to see what they say. If they would even do anything about it or just say "it's in spec" and send it back.
If they won't and you really think it's a keeper it's probably worth having a local guy regulate it.
Thanks Shane. I got a message from them (in English) saying they are not able to communicate in English. So maybe I'll try local as you said.
BTW... In your video you mentioned about the lack of AR coating on your black one. I can confirm that the teal version suffers from the same reflective aspects you mentioned.
its nice i like it the price ouch too much... cheers
Great video! I do not think I am a fan of the 1964 as own the Star Diver. The Star Diver is a fantastic watch that looks like its own thing. The 1964 looks great (other than that bracelet) but is too homage like for me. I also do not like the hands. These make it look more like a homage vs. the 1st edition 1964 which looked awesome. They should have kept that design. I love the power reserve meters on the Star's and think it makes them stand out.
Sorry Orient, you got me with the Triton(loved it) when the stem broke(common defect unfortunately) and no part available. 😢
How long did you have it before the sstem broke?
@@RelativeTime hey there! Less than a year, and I have around 35-40 watches so it was far from abused. Very disappointing, it took a while to find a blue one. Ive corresponded with Orient USA in California twice via email and both times the stems were back ordered. But at least they answered my queries!! Love the channel 💯👍
The kamasu’s endlink doesn’t even wobble like that 🤣
The end links on my 1964 2nd edition don’t wobble like that either. I don’t know why the one in this review is so bad.
Its a nice watch but iv'e gotta agree with all said , $500>750 max as at a grand+ its fighting in a league where it needs lead in its gloves . Good full & honest review .
Thanks! The price might come down with time, but who knows.
Wow, the fit of the end-links is a DISGRACE!!! I literally shouted when Shane showed the wiggle.
Ummm Shane
@karlsenula9495 I'm not sure you read that right.😎
@@RelativeTime... think it was Shawn when I looked (likely a auto correct typo) and edited to Shane.
@@karlsenula9495 Oh ok... I thought you were making a joke like I was the one wiggling. 😄
@@karlsenula9495 Yea, it was, apologies...
I just had a Star Diver delivered from TUS today but the bezel was slightly misaligned. Sent an email to Tom and a QC'd replacement has already been sent out ro me on a next day delivery. A little disappointed I had to raise the issue but I can't fault the company or the service.
That's good to know. Tom seems like a stand up guy. How do you like it otherwise?
@@RelativeTime spent a day with the replacement. It looks great and is nicely made, a sort of dressy diver in the green/gold. The bracelet is very good and even the clasp is acceptable for a pressed type. The only fly in the ointment is the bezel, there's too much backplay for a "premium" product. I still think the underrated M-force diver is the pick of the range if you can live with the size and looks. It matches the quality of Orient Star at a much lower price.
Love a good Orient. I've had a few bambinos in the past. They're a bit expensive now, the new ones, but maybe they will drop in price.
Good video :)
Thanks! It's been a while since I looked at the bambinos. I should probably see if I can find a good deal on one of the smaller ones.
I had to choose between this and a Seiko Prospex MM200, and went with the Seiko...
I'd probably go that route to. I like my glacier marine master reduced more.
@RelativeTime Thanks Shane! Orient was my gateway to Orient Star, then Orient Star to Seiko Prospex, and now I'm thinking of when to add my first Grand Seiko.
@@rishisunak2024 I keep thinking about that too. I'm just not sure which Grand Seiko I'd want.
Hi Shane, great video as usual my friend. Good looking piece. But it does look very much like a Glycine Combat Sub, especially the hand set, dial and bezel. Also, too much text on the dial. And what's up with the end links!?
Looking forward to your next video.
Take care and stay safe.
I believe that the standard of movements need to go up a notch to at least 28,800bpm rather than the constant supply of slower beating ones. Helm do a 28,800bpm diver and don't charge an arm and a leg. There are other brands too. May as well have a mecaquartz then as they have similar beats and are much, much more accurate and reliable.
Well it's the idea of slower beat rate but extended power reserve. Same with seiko's 6r series of movements and the powermatics of Tissot and Hamilton.
Is that really better than a higher beat rate... Hard to say. Kind of depends
Adore Orient Star but prefer the Gen 1
Understand that I for one care as little as is possible about what haut horologists think or say. The Orient Star diver is hot!
I just believe that Orient has their hands tied by Seiko. My point proven by statement that "Grand Seiko is a separate company than Seiko." But then G.S. starts putting their spring drives into Seiko divers. Lets not be fooled, this is an attempt by Seiko to greedily get more money in an overpriced Orient (value not good) for this watch you reviewed. Ten out of 10 times, I would pick the SPB143, SBDC167 (your watch, MM reduced). Its a marketing attempt to see how far one will go with Orient. The Kamasu is their best overall value watch. Almost perfect in every box check, and hundreds below what Seiko offers at this price. You hit this review right on the button!! Take Care.
I think it looks a little too close to the submariner. You could have a Glycine Combat sub with similar looks with a 4hz Swiss movement for similar money. If you really want something that looks like a submariner go with a steinhart ocean 1 ceramic. Otherwise I would go for the Ocean Star Diver which is a great watch for the money with distinct looks and excellent lume.
yeah, but this is not homage of Submariner.
Great review, disappointing to see Orient offering a flawed piece for that price. Totally agree they did well for what they’re going for from a design perspective but the finishing and material choice is too dated for my tastes. I think I’d be far happier with a Kamasu or one of its cousins knowing I can grab 4 more for the same price as this OS
I did not remember the end links on mine having that much slop. So I just checked it.
The end links on mine fit perfectly. There is no slop in the fit. It’s tight and well-fitting in every direction. I don’t know why yours is so bad, but mine is the best fit I’ve ever had.
I would be interested in hearing from others on this. Do I have an outlier, or is the sloppy fit in the review the outlier? I think that makes a big difference in the perception of this watch.
Could be an outlier, do you have the same colorway?
@@RelativeTime Yes. I got the same color (black dial). I was really surprised to see that on yours because mine is the exact opposite. Both ends fit perfectly - probably the best fit of any of my watches. I wonder if your dealer could get you another bracelet (or end links) to try.
They should leave those loose fitting end links in 1964. Even at half the price I would be disappointed.
The ice cream cone is far better than yet another Mercedes hand.
The end link fit is unacceptable at this price. I would expect that for around $200, but not at $1000. Taking a page out of Seikos book for increasing prices with the same poor quality
It's not aesthetically perfect, but because of sturdiness I bought one (1450 euro) /w spare silicone strap
hi, how abo green one?
It looks good, but what about it?
@@RelativeTimethanks for response/ nice thoughts, review. ocassionly have to choice between Seiko cpt Willard1970 MECHANICAL DIVERS CONTEMPORARY DESIGN SBDX047 2100usd by Sakurawhatches. green OS 1964 860usd by Jomashop and Glycine airman 650usd/ after yor investigation will wait
@@user-uw1yd7kw9u Between those I'd probably go with the green Orient Star. I have a Glycine airman. It's cool, but it is a bit different, and maybe not as versatile.
As for the Willard... I just have a hard time thinking it's worth over $2k. Yes, it has the 8L movement, which is based on a grand Seiko movement. Yet they don't regulate it the same. So within spec accuracy isn't any better than their 6r series.
So for me if your spending that much, you might as well start looking at Longiness or Oris. In fact, some of the new caliber 400 Oris divers are getting close to that price on the grey market.
Another watch to check out might be the newer slim turtles by Seiko. Like the SBDC171. Similar look to a Willard / turtle, but is more in line with the orient Star in terms of price.
Possible nickname for this piece: The Dudmariner
Nice enough, but for that sort of money I would look at Christopher Ward first
I think the technical term is "Jack Ball Hand."
Jack Ball? Maybe Jack in the Box head.
@Relative Time Oh sure, that's what I was referring to.
Excelente pieza, pero por su precio y esas falencias y carencias que señalas, mejor compro un Oris Aquis o Longines Hydroconquest.
I love your Chess set, with the Olmec heads as peons.
'Anti scratch-resisitant coating'. Wouldn't that make it scratchable?. 🤨🤣
Ummmmm... yes... 🤣
You can find the black dial one for around $900 but the teal one is being listed for as much as $1400.
I really liked the 1st edition but when I saw that it was a limited edition I kinda lost all interest in it.
I hate that they are doing the same thing as Seiko with their limited editions and raising the prices way beyond what any improvements have been made.
With all that being said, I really like the teal dial.
Those endlinks don't belong on a $200 watch let alone this one.
I think the 60s vintage inspired diver is a little overdone by now. Even with the power reserve i dont think this is unique enough.
Those endlinks are unacceptable.
You are making an unfortunate parallel between the Orient star and the Grand Seiko. If you know, there is a higher level of Orient star watches, the Royal Orient series. Check them out, there were quite a few models.
It's been almost a year since I made this, so forgive me but what parallel is that? Are you referring to referencing Orient Star to Orient is similar to Grand Seiko to Seiko? That's usually what some people have issues with when i do an orient Star video.
Now I can't remeber what I specificly said here, but I usually clarify it's not on the same quality level. It's just the easiest way to describe the relationship between the two brands to someone who may never have heard about it.
As for Royal Orient, I've heard of them, but I thought they were discontinued a while ago. Like around 2010 or so.
For a grand that end link would leave a very sour taste in my mouth and definitely call for a return
Orients in general are great value (Kamasu, Defender, Bambino) but not all can be .... frankly at the $1000 price point I am looking away from Orient towards Swiss (Sinn, Christopher Ward, Longines etc.).
Same reason people choose a Seiko over a Seiko homage with the same look and often better movement, milled clasp and sapphire crystal.
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT Karl!! People are stuck on Brand Identification!
The price point on this watch is to high!!
I like orient, I really do, except for one thing, I know it`s nuts and my problem! I can NOT abide the shield with lions whatever above the Orient name, it ruins an other wise fine watch line, and I will not buy one because of this! My problem I know!. Now the Orient star 1964 does not have this on the dial, THANK GOODNESS, and it just improves the whole look of the watch, would I buy one?, no idea, I would need to get my sticky hands on one and have a look? If the other Orient models had the option of not having the shield??? well that could turn me in to a fanboy, though that`s dreaming I think? Onward and upwards people🤔🙂❤
I don't even think it's a $500 watch..a little bit better than the ray 2...a couple upgrades I think it's more of a $300 watch
This model is like a zebra in a herd of dive watch zebras. Its a black vanilla blah. I would've considered the 1st 1964. Someone at marketing in Orient may be forced to comment Hari-kari
micro-scratches = patina 😸
True. There is a point where you stop worring about it.
For people who can’t afford a submariner. 😢
No one like Orient Saturation Diver 300M
Rubbish to have LE OS, they are coming as seiko brand in diff color
One doesn't necessarily follow the other! why not have a low end of the high end! I will take my sixty dollar Invicta 1953 anytime!
I think the china recovery is going to take significantly longer than 6 months lol… These companies are probably just saying that so their stocks dont get absolutely crushed lol. Im pretty sure it’s going to get a lot uglier in the watch market. I’m sure those price hikes over the last few years aren’t helping things either 😂
Who knows, maybe they’ll get lucky and the projected economic growth in India by Wall Street will come to fruition to help bail these guys out lol.
I have zero love for this watch. It looks like something designed by committee and then funneled through finance to ensure everything was also made as cheaply as possible. A Casio Duro looks more cohesive.
Not worth it sorry . Thanks for your efforts!
That's why I do it. Just so people can know before they spend their money.
not at that price. San Martin is higher quality than that turd LMAO
The price point of this watch is too high!!
I still like my Triton Neptune better. While nice I love the toolish nature of the watch. But man those endlinks killed it for me. That would of gone straight back...
Sorry Orient..that dial does look empty..yeap