I've gotta say, as someone who primarily watches RTS gamed instead of playing them, at first stormgate seemed really dull. But something about the way Arty is talking about this new race and theorizing the new gameplay implications is really entertaining. I honestly don't get all the negativity about graphics or an overabundance of abilities (of which plenty are on autocast) when it seems like the players are able to enjoy the game just fine. Long story short, loving the new Stormgate stuff and looking forward to seeing more.
no one does, its like south korea started weaponizing SC idiots who can't move on just to try and preserve whats left of the pro play scene. Maybe a bit of a reach but honestly, Blizzard in combination with SK govt have the money and power to do it and they have nothing but incentives to gain, imagine if a free better version of SC2 released, Blizzards already on the back foot it wouldn't take much and SK relies VERY HEAVILY on SC2 tournaments.
I'm surprised Albino didn't attempt to harass the Celestial workers across the map. If the opponent is going to take a bunch of bases right away, shouldn't that give you an opening to hurt their economy?
It's a mix of Parting dictating the flow of the game entirely and putting on pressure and Albino being far too worried about defending to go out and attack.
I kind of see vulkans as area denial units, or anchors for protecting specific lines of approach. I think they're designed to be bruisers or tanks for slow pushes, but I'm not sure that actually works against any of the factions in Stormgate
The design and art style aren't actually the main points of complaint. A game can be very cartoony and bright and still have a lot of charm. I know people are SAYING that, but what they're actually referring to more often than not is the level of polish that the game currently lacks. So many of the animations and SFX are barebone or nonexistent, giving the game a very janky and unfinished feel. Textures and lighting aren't quite polished either. These things all dramatically impact the atmosphere and immersion of the game. Compared to a mature game like SC2, where every sound is distinct, every portrait exudes character and personality, and where no expense is spared on animations and details, of course a game that's still in alpha isn't going to stand up. For an indie studio working with only a fraction of Blizzard's budget, it's going to take them YEARS to catch up to the quality of SC2. Unfortunately, the audience likely won't be that patient and so I don't think they'll have that time. We will see what happens. IMO FG will need to do something unprecedented with Stormgate retain a large enough fanbase.
I'm super interested in how they plan to make the Brutes a little more viable. Despite seeing so much brute play early on, it's clear they don't have as much a purpose outside very specific build countering.
@@ryder8646 LMAO nowadays nobody plays RTS, doesn't matter how good they are. People want easy games, that's why there are games made with 100s of million dollar just have "press X now" quick time events in them.
I find it so amusing that people take Partings games as an indication of balance. That’s like watching bully beat down and arguing that the mma fighter won because mau tai is so OP.
Genuinely remove chat, you're just giving an extra voice to the 10 haters repeating this shit over and over on 20 accounts. WE get it, they hate colorful graphics and only like hard gritty REALISM with their sweaty marines and stimming all the way. The thing they can't get over is their times done, its well past any of that being interesting, their too old and clueless to know things have gone past them.
Man, those gliding triangles... I feel like you need 2 flak cannons per base to be safe from their harass. But that's SO costly... Maybe a nerf for Triangle is in order? Hrrrmmmmm...
Honestly forget the graphics, the biggest problem for me is that the unit design is just straight up SC2 offshoots. If I wanted to play SC2, I'll play SC2. Another thing, if you dumb down the rts, that's fine, but you have to compensate for that somewhere, at least make the micro more interesting or something.
lol they have to make it playable for complete and utter noobs, like 1st or second time ever playing RTS game and you can win. That kinda dumbed down. I don't know what they were thinking. By far the graphics are the biggest problem in my opinion.
To improve micro they could make the game more responsive than any other rts, and decrease the lethality of units compared to StarCraft. Also add units that are designed to move and shoot, or have skills that you can’t just spam, which will highlight player skill since the game is fast enough to read it all. OH WAIT…
I don't understand these copy paste design choices. Why did it have to be Starcraft? The advanced race of light with complex unit. The distance shooting human race. The biological dark race. This is bringing nothing new on the table. This looks like Wish SC2. They could have made different design choices : Biological environnmental race. humans fighting with bow and magic (horizon style). Dark mecha from Demons (doom style). The initial success of the game relies on the design. No matter how deep and interesting it is for proplayers and tournaments, without initial sales, it doesnt matter. And the high level design sells.
Ok here I'll do what you guys do to their ideas with yours : "LUL DARK MECHA DEMONS, YOU JUST WANT THE IRON ONES FROM SPELLFORCE" (also insert a million biomechanical "Demon" like enemies) "LUL BIOLOGICAL HUMANS WITH BOWS AND MAGIC? LUL YOU JUST WANT DARK ELVES FRMO WC3" See you have no idea how little in this world isn't already copied and how piss poor these critiques are.
What people want: A game that feels, and looks as good as SC2, but plays more like Broodwar which has no infinite unit mechanic (swarmhost broodlord), and has more small skirmishes (no deathballs). What people don't want: Mobile game generic graphics, abusive gameplay, warcraft3 slow gameplay, dumbed down macro mechanics.
lol ya. "MAcro". "Yeah It's a "Macro" Game". Flying around with that prisom thing with no workers and expanding everywhere without having to even make workers. Very hard to macro.
@@Frodonsake24 I never implied making a game is easy, I'm implying the graphics and gameplay obviously are not vibing with the general public, look at literally any stormgate video comment section feedback.
@@coolguyASDQWEFEWFADSFAS I've never seen a louder minority, and even better your arguments fall apart the second you're confronted, its hilariously one sided.
@@coolguyASDQWEFEWFADSFAS yeah let me prove it, first off art styles great despite its alpha state and your entire "proof" to the opposite is a comment section on a YT video despite this entire thing being an opinion, and a bad one again based on alpha content.
SC2 is like 15 years old and it looks twice as good. Remastered looks like 4 times as good. The game play looks horrible. No upgrades and the builds are just who can abuse who. Seems like when all the builds are figured out it's just who can abuse who and roshambo their way to victory. Zero skill going to involved.
I mean you arent worong about it looking worst but the game is literaly not done and considering graphics are the last thing devs tend to work on because you might be wasting resorces into something you might not even use só these are definetively not final with a buntch of things not even having textures done yet. The gameplay looks horible to you fair but i wold still recomend tryng the game its gona be free after all só if you dont like it just uninstall and you lose nothing. There actualy are upgrades just not things like Plus 1 atack or something insted all units have upgrades that change how they work like how zelots in sc2 can get charge. Bulds being who can abuse who is just rts in general like how peaple abuse the power of defillers or abuse a lack of couters to a specific unit to get an advantage on theyr oponents. Zero skill is Hard to say because i personaly cant play the game só i dont realy know how it will work but there probably is some skill with controling units eficiently like conserving theyr energy or bulding the right structures there just isent something big yet because the race was just revealed and the game isent out yet. Sorry for The long answer and i hope you have a wonderful day night or wathever time you might be having at this moment
@@gabrielribeiro222 For sure, well the art isn't gonna change. I'm pretty sure they already said that in an interview. They might change a few designs of units, etc, but they aren't going to get rid of that fuzzy, bright, cartoony, colorful art style. The art team failed horribly. The game play will almost certainly change, however it's not looking good for gameplay either. It's just so messy and hard to see. What made Broodwar so good is there's only so many things you can choose to do so it's more like chess. This is just like roshambo choosing 1 of a million strategies.
@@alexfriedman2152fair point i am still hoping the game will be good and i an definetively gona play it when it comes out because it will be free but hey i can see why you might not like it
@@gabrielribeiro222 Yeah same I'll play it when it's "Done" even though they'll probably be changing it for years like SC2. It'll be a fun change from Broodwar and SC2 but I really wanted a new game that would steal the player base from BW and SC2 but that's just not going to happen with this game. It looks like a massive failure. At least the Co Op should be fun and hopefully the Campaign too.
pretty sure they'll do a massive graphics overhaul at some point. i mean, they kinda have to. i'm sure they read comments and realize how much a lot of people hate the graphics. it's also still super early in development.
worse in what way? Because I can't tell what the blob of a zergling was until I saw the opening video in BW, their literally models from the 90's with about 6 pixels, the easiest way to kill your own comment is by making obscene comparisons like this one.
Looks horrible honestly lol. How is it that it looks worse than Starcraft remastered? That game is a remaster of a 30 year old game almost. Crazy. SC2 is like 15 years old and it looks twice as good.
@@alexfriedman2152 its in alpha and it doesnt' look worse than the 30 year old version of BW, or even the remade version because its pretty basic. You're a fool.
Parting just doing parting things. New race looks really good. Honestly probably the most visually impressive of the three already.
New race looks cool as hell
I've gotta say, as someone who primarily watches RTS gamed instead of playing them, at first stormgate seemed really dull. But something about the way Arty is talking about this new race and theorizing the new gameplay implications is really entertaining. I honestly don't get all the negativity about graphics or an overabundance of abilities (of which plenty are on autocast) when it seems like the players are able to enjoy the game just fine. Long story short, loving the new Stormgate stuff and looking forward to seeing more.
no one does, its like south korea started weaponizing SC idiots who can't move on just to try and preserve whats left of the pro play scene. Maybe a bit of a reach but honestly, Blizzard in combination with SK govt have the money and power to do it and they have nothing but incentives to gain, imagine if a free better version of SC2 released, Blizzards already on the back foot it wouldn't take much and SK relies VERY HEAVILY on SC2 tournaments.
Love the positivity. Arty’s chat is an unmoderated hellscape and it permeates here. You can probably safely ignore most of it.
lmao, Celestials have truly inherited the Protoss DNA. I don't even know what's happening but it still looks like getting styled on by proxy cheese.
Arti out here doing the lords work, making sure the community knows which race to hate on already.
I'm surprised Albino didn't attempt to harass the Celestial workers across the map. If the opponent is going to take a bunch of bases right away, shouldn't that give you an opening to hurt their economy?
It's a mix of Parting dictating the flow of the game entirely and putting on pressure and Albino being far too worried about defending to go out and attack.
I kind of see vulkans as area denial units, or anchors for protecting specific lines of approach. I think they're designed to be bruisers or tanks for slow pushes, but I'm not sure that actually works against any of the factions in Stormgate
Props to Artosis for not banning all those negative wall of text chatters but letting people speak their mind.
Im actually liking the simplistic design. But well I play broodwar in cartoon mode jajajaj and its awesome!
The design and art style aren't actually the main points of complaint. A game can be very cartoony and bright and still have a lot of charm. I know people are SAYING that, but what they're actually referring to more often than not is the level of polish that the game currently lacks. So many of the animations and SFX are barebone or nonexistent, giving the game a very janky and unfinished feel. Textures and lighting aren't quite polished either. These things all dramatically impact the atmosphere and immersion of the game. Compared to a mature game like SC2, where every sound is distinct, every portrait exudes character and personality, and where no expense is spared on animations and details, of course a game that's still in alpha isn't going to stand up. For an indie studio working with only a fraction of Blizzard's budget, it's going to take them YEARS to catch up to the quality of SC2. Unfortunately, the audience likely won't be that patient and so I don't think they'll have that time. We will see what happens. IMO FG will need to do something unprecedented with Stormgate retain a large enough fanbase.
so morph core attack is like dropping some m&ms on people on at a time?
Man PartinG is so good the race has just ben available for a bit and hes already doing nice plays
Enjoyed the cast! But you should really not show chat for these kind of videos, it's very distracting and annoying
I'm super interested in how they plan to make the Brutes a little more viable. Despite seeing so much brute play early on, it's clear they don't have as much a purpose outside very specific build countering.
This race Hs hyped me for the game!
I want to see celestial vs celestial gameplay.
I want to play de campaign so badly
There's so much vitriol in the Twitch chat what the hell
People just like to shit on what they don't like. It's a free game based on a dying genre and still people are trashing the game.
@@SoumyadeepChanda the genre is dying because every "new" RTS game is like this one lol
@@ryder8646 LMAO nowadays nobody plays RTS, doesn't matter how good they are. People want easy games, that's why there are games made with 100s of million dollar just have "press X now" quick time events in them.
I find it so amusing that people take Partings games as an indication of balance. That’s like watching bully beat down and arguing that the mma fighter won because mau tai is so OP.
People are going to hate celestials. It'll be the new no brain "protoss op" balance whine.
Can you just remove chat? They objectively suck.
Why are u reading the chat?
Agreed, just to anoying reading the same argument of "it looks bad" or some variant instead of any in game related stuff
Stormgate sucks.
Twitch chat spammers should get banned
Genuinely remove chat, you're just giving an extra voice to the 10 haters repeating this shit over and over on 20 accounts. WE get it, they hate colorful graphics and only like hard gritty REALISM with their sweaty marines and stimming all the way. The thing they can't get over is their times done, its well past any of that being interesting, their too old and clueless to know things have gone past them.
Why did they make a worse version of Grey Goo? (which was already terrible)
Man, those gliding triangles... I feel like you need 2 flak cannons per base to be safe from their harass.
But that's SO costly... Maybe a nerf for Triangle is in order? Hrrrmmmmm...
Honestly forget the graphics, the biggest problem for me is that the unit design is just straight up SC2 offshoots. If I wanted to play SC2, I'll play SC2.
Another thing, if you dumb down the rts, that's fine, but you have to compensate for that somewhere, at least make the micro more interesting or something.
lol they have to make it playable for complete and utter noobs, like 1st or second time ever playing RTS game and you can win. That kinda dumbed down. I don't know what they were thinking. By far the graphics are the biggest problem in my opinion.
To improve micro they could make the game more responsive than any other rts, and decrease the lethality of units compared to StarCraft. Also add units that are designed to move and shoot, or have skills that you can’t just spam, which will highlight player skill since the game is fast enough to read it all.
OH WAIT…
Sabers DPS are insane for its range. They need to tone it down a little bit.
New faction looks good and interesting, too bad the other two exist.
building buildings looks way faster
Maybe disable the chat on screen next time, kinda lame seeing them shit on the game the whole time
I don't understand these copy paste design choices. Why did it have to be Starcraft? The advanced race of light with complex unit. The distance shooting human race. The biological dark race. This is bringing nothing new on the table. This looks like Wish SC2.
They could have made different design choices : Biological environnmental race. humans fighting with bow and magic (horizon style). Dark mecha from Demons (doom style). The initial success of the game relies on the design. No matter how deep and interesting it is for proplayers and tournaments, without initial sales, it doesnt matter. And the high level design sells.
Nothing wrong with SC2 unit design. I feel like they tried to merge SC2 units with LoL Heroes which is way too gimmicky
Vanguard isnt a purely ranged faction, they have melee units. Atleast half of the barracks units are melee.
Ok here I'll do what you guys do to their ideas with yours : "LUL DARK MECHA DEMONS, YOU JUST WANT THE IRON ONES FROM SPELLFORCE" (also insert a million biomechanical "Demon" like enemies) "LUL BIOLOGICAL HUMANS WITH BOWS AND MAGIC? LUL YOU JUST WANT DARK ELVES FRMO WC3" See you have no idea how little in this world isn't already copied and how piss poor these critiques are.
This chat is the most cancer chat that has ever existed.
Holy shit first comment on arty vid wow
What people want: A game that feels, and looks as good as SC2, but plays more like Broodwar which has no infinite unit mechanic (swarmhost broodlord), and has more small skirmishes (no deathballs).
What people don't want: Mobile game generic graphics, abusive gameplay, warcraft3 slow gameplay, dumbed down macro mechanics.
lol ya. "MAcro". "Yeah It's a "Macro" Game". Flying around with that prisom thing with no workers and expanding everywhere without having to even make workers. Very hard to macro.
@@Frodonsake24 I never implied making a game is easy, I'm implying the graphics and gameplay obviously are not vibing with the general public, look at literally any stormgate video comment section feedback.
@@coolguyASDQWEFEWFADSFAS I've never seen a louder minority, and even better your arguments fall apart the second you're confronted, its hilariously one sided.
@@JerryS-zb2lf how did my argument fall apart? game looks like garbage.
@@coolguyASDQWEFEWFADSFAS yeah let me prove it, first off art styles great despite its alpha state and your entire "proof" to the opposite is a comment section on a YT video despite this entire thing being an opinion, and a bad one again based on alpha content.
SC2 is like 15 years old and it looks twice as good. Remastered looks like 4 times as good. The game play looks horrible. No upgrades and the builds are just who can abuse who. Seems like when all the builds are figured out it's just who can abuse who and roshambo their way to victory. Zero skill going to involved.
I mean you arent worong about it looking worst but the game is literaly not done and considering graphics are the last thing devs tend to work on because you might be wasting resorces into something you might not even use só these are definetively not final with a buntch of things not even having textures done yet.
The gameplay looks horible to you fair but i wold still recomend tryng the game its gona be free after all só if you dont like it just uninstall and you lose nothing.
There actualy are upgrades just not things like Plus 1 atack or something insted all units have upgrades that change how they work like how zelots in sc2 can get charge.
Bulds being who can abuse who is just rts in general like how peaple abuse the power of defillers or abuse a lack of couters to a specific unit to get an advantage on theyr oponents.
Zero skill is Hard to say because i personaly cant play the game só i dont realy know how it will work but there probably is some skill with controling units eficiently like conserving theyr energy or bulding the right structures there just isent something big yet because the race was just revealed and the game isent out yet.
Sorry for The long answer and i hope you have a wonderful day night or wathever time you might be having at this moment
@@gabrielribeiro222 For sure, well the art isn't gonna change. I'm pretty sure they already said that in an interview. They might change a few designs of units, etc, but they aren't going to get rid of that fuzzy, bright, cartoony, colorful art style. The art team failed horribly. The game play will almost certainly change, however it's not looking good for gameplay either. It's just so messy and hard to see. What made Broodwar so good is there's only so many things you can choose to do so it's more like chess. This is just like roshambo choosing 1 of a million strategies.
@@alexfriedman2152fair point i am still hoping the game will be good and i an definetively gona play it when it comes out because it will be free but hey i can see why you might not like it
@@gabrielribeiro222 Yeah same I'll play it when it's "Done" even though they'll probably be changing it for years like SC2. It'll be a fun change from Broodwar and SC2 but I really wanted a new game that would steal the player base from BW and SC2 but that's just not going to happen with this game. It looks like a massive failure. At least the Co Op should be fun and hopefully the Campaign too.
Stormgste has upgrades , it just doesn't have stat only upgrades
the visuals in my opinion are bad.
Up to now I'm very disappointed by this game.
Why does this game looks worst than even Broodwar
pretty sure they'll do a massive graphics overhaul at some point. i mean, they kinda have to. i'm sure they read comments and realize how much a lot of people hate the graphics. it's also still super early in development.
worse in what way? Because I can't tell what the blob of a zergling was until I saw the opening video in BW, their literally models from the 90's with about 6 pixels, the easiest way to kill your own comment is by making obscene comparisons like this one.
Artosis chat is fucking hilarious 10/10
I'll have to add this to the list of games to not play. Booooooooooring
They've ruined the game already. What a disappointment!
Looks horrible honestly lol. How is it that it looks worse than Starcraft remastered? That game is a remaster of a 30 year old game almost. Crazy. SC2 is like 15 years old and it looks twice as good.
You must be fun
They ruined it when they put esports in front of campaign
@@alexfriedman2152 its in alpha and it doesnt' look worse than the 30 year old version of BW, or even the remade version because its pretty basic. You're a fool.