Ship Chat: Freedom class (TNG)
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- Today we take a closer look at one of the most unusual ships of the 24th century, the single engine "Flying Frying pan" the Freedom class.
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Me: Mom can we have a Galaxy-Class?
Mom: We have a Galaxy-Class at home.
Galaxy-Class at home:
Imagine getting assigned to a Freedom class. And then being told "join da fleet for heavy cube shaped action". ---fuk.
@@Daginni1 On the upside, you're the only ship ever cause any true damage to the cube. Well before you get your ass handed to you that is.
It's a big flying gun, called the Freedom Class. That could almost be a joke. Starfleet hears that a certain planet has dilithium, sounds like that planet could use some FREEDOM.
6 MILICOCHRANES OF FREEDOOOM!
It's time to liberate the hell out of that dilithium mine!
*FEDERATION F@%K YEAH!!!*
@@weldonwin Commin' in to save the MF'n day, YEAH!
@@grndiesel THE DOMINION HAS WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION!!!
It sounds like the Freedom post-Borg Invasion was used more like mobile defense platform than a starship. Especially after the Norway was developed.
You can quibble over aesthetics, but at the end of the day it's a very functional, specialised vessel. Specialised vessels are really necessary for a well rounded fleet, they don't make for the most compelling 'hero' vessels but a fleet made up entirely of general purpose ships will not be as strong as one that includes specialised vessels.
In other words, it's basically a flying gun that comes with a free saucer.
I would not describe her
in Navel terms. To me, its is more like an A-10 Warthog. A very effective ground support Aircraft. Flies straight in. delivers its weapons load, and straight out. And, as effective as the platform is. It still needs and requires other ships to provide space superiority role to allow the Freedom room to operate. And like the A-10 today. She is old, ugly, yet still the best at what it does.
Phaser go brrrrrrr
kinda reminds me of the tank destroyers like the Jagdpanzer of world war 2, extremely effective at getting that one hit from range when you know the enemy is coming and you're in a prepared position to defend, but if they can get around it it becomes a sitting duck
“Straight In Straight Out” is NOT how an A-10 (or pair thereof) strikes.
As a matter of fact they often turn around quickly for re-attack on the same target. You just haven’t seen them do that as much in the Middle East, as much of the targets were unarmored structures, not moving armored columns.
Ah yes the myth of the A-10 not being a useless junker that’s murdered more of its own side than the enemy continues.
I'm almost ashamed to admit it but I really like this ship. I know it gets a lot of hate but it's so unusual
Certainly memorable
Samee
@@venomgeekmedia9886 it's a TNG era Saladin
Other likely ships of the class inc USS Liberator NCC-67016 (wrecked shuttle from it seen at Wolf 359)
And other ships like the USS Montgomery NCC-67102, Normandy-67104, and Hotspur-68722... (own inventions)
I understand that opinion, I’m a fan of the Cerritos…
The mono-nacelle I find a little weird but it adds a quaint personality to Freedom-class. Like; "I can take ye on with 1 nacelle!"
Something else I would mention is that having the same name for different classes of ships is nothing new or unrealistic; many navies including the Royal Navy & the US Navy have done that. (Naming originality is not a strong suite for many ship designers).
If Popeye was a ship ....
I love the Freedom Class, you can't change my mind, I love it.
"Is that one warp engine.......OR a SURF BOARD !!!!?".
Klingons mock the Freedom class.
When I first saw the ship I thought it was rather stupid, but the more I see it, the more it grows on me.
The Freedom Class makes a great deal of sense if you accept the idea that it was a reserve ship created and stored in large numbers specifically in anticipation of the Borg. Basically, this is what you get when you need a fleet, pronto, and you know you can't get one without cutting a ton of corners.
Still waiting on this and the Yeager getting added to Star Trek Online. Also I like the link between the Freedom's Phaser Cannon/Drill and the Galaxy X's Spinal Lance, first time I've heard that idea.
A roll of pennies, no matter how bad, will hurt when thrown at the enemy. If only for mibute, that hurt is created, is more than enough for a punch from way in the back to leave a nice black eye and swollen lip on the enemies ego.
When I first saw the Freedom-class in 'B.O.B.W.: Part 1', I thought of Riker's quip in 'Arsenal Of Freedom': 'The name of my ship is the Lollipop...It's just been commissioned, it's a good ship!' 😁
As an old time Star Trek fan this design reminds me of the Saladin from the Star Fleet Technical Manual of the early 1970s. At that time TOS & TAS were over & "Phase II" & the Motion picture weren't even a gleam in Rodenberry's eye yet. The Tech Manual came out with Rodenberry's blessing & for years it was considered canon for many fans. Later for some reason (various theories came out) Rodenberry started distancing himself from the Tech Manual, but it was still dear to many fan's hearts even to the crew that worked on the movies & new shows which is why bits made it pass Gene & into background parts of the movies & TV shows. It may be goofy looking to people now but the little kid in me that has nostalgia for the Tech Manual designs gets warm fuzzy feelings at the thought that they might in some way be canon.
I do love the idea of an artillery platform ship, I'd like it to be on a much bigger saucer though so it could act as a fairly decent and somewhat mobile space station. It's kind of like the earth MAC platforms from Halo except with a phaser and with a warp engine stuck on it.
Funny you should mention monitors, I discovered such ships existed a wile back and if those galaxy project derivative ships ever got brought up again on your vids, like the Springfield, New Orleans and Cheyenne, I was going to say thats exactly what those were. Ships destroyer to heavy cruiser sized with 1 battleship sized big gun turret and little else.
The freedom always struck me as a ship optimized for more unusual roles. With its massively overengined design, i imagine it could extend its warp field around another ship in distress and warp them away to safety, or use that ability to deploy defense satellites or other large objects ether to big to fit in any cargo hold or already prefabricated, just by extend its warp field around it or fitting it inside its standard bubble. On the tactical end, i could see it being used as a high warp interceptor or a deep striker to installation and infrastructure behind enemy lines, with a combination of its giant, fast engine and lance weapon.
The number of nacelles is truly not that important, beyond 2 probably having the least down sides or quirks. What really maters is a ship's total weight / the weight of it's warp coils ratio. That warp coil weight can be divided up into any number of nacelles, as long as it has an optimal ratio, any off the shelf parts bin nacelle will do. Explains ships like the Freedom, Constellation and Niagara class. I'm not sure how you could call this ship slow, it was likely the fastest ship in the fleet until the intrepid class, using 2350s tech. Nothing comes close to its total weight/warp coil weight ratio, that the warp coils are packaged into just 1 nacelle is an oddity at best.
It was sufficiently gunned in phaser arrays for its size, it just not a ridiculously over gunned 'monitor' like other galaxy project derivatives where. Its impulse maneuverability was probably below average with its awkward shape, which isn't a huge deal when phaser arrays have a fireing arc of whatever they have line of sight with. With the width of the oval nacelle, it was probably equipped with a twin banks of coils so that internally it operated as 2 nacelles, and could steer as well as a ship with a more traditional nacelle layout and coil to weight ratio. Its development cost/performance ratio was probably superb with so many off the shelf parts, but measured by any other metric it was probably pretty lousy at anything it couldn't hyper specialize in.
I will like to point otu that the Class names have been reused, The Royal Navy has had two Queen Elizeberth class.
One launch in 1914 as four ship class of battleships.
And one launch 100 years later as a 2 ship class of carriers
The ENT was about 200 years before TNG so that fits.
Edit: just remember that the USN has had two Viriginia classes in the last 30 years. One was a Cruiser launch in 1975 and served til 1998 while the other is the modern submarine class of ours launched in 2005.
They are reusing the dreadnought name for a new line of ballistic missile submarines as well.
The Royal Navy re-uses many many shipclass names, while they do have a tendency to name a class for their 'theme' and not the frontrunner ship's name. e.g. Tribal class destroyers (1905), (1936). Town class cruisers (1910), (1936), Leander class (1882), (1931), (1959), and many more. Makes it quite confusing when you hear a class name pop up both in WW1 and WW2 naval engagements, especially considering there are many ships that served both pre-WW1 and during WW2.
If the ship's primary attack mode is to fire highly concentrated salvos of beam energy from extreme range, I would think the class would have been named for someone or something representative of the Sniper profession, just to drive home the point.
It could be made compliant with the rules for warp drive by adding a dorsal nacelle. Put an additional cannon above the saucer for increased coverage, possibly turret-mounted, and put the Bridge at the core of the saucer where it belongs.
I have always loved the Freedom Class, I don't understand why people are so critical of it.
i think if you include things like the Saladin From FASA it fits right in.
I think it's because it defies the standard design language and seems ungainly when viewed that way.
I see single nacelle ships as vessels best suited for work inside Federation borders.
1. If the nacelle goes wonky, your not stranded and have a callout nearby compared to being outside of the border.
2. I see the number of nacelles as hitting a sweet spot. One nacelle can generate a warp field, but not one that will allow high warp speeds which works with staying inside a border. Four nacelles means you have two on, two off, which extends maintenance cycle times but requires more maintenance when they come home to dock. 2 nacelles seems to be the sweet spot. A perfect balance of efficient warp field creation and less maintenance time when it has to go into dock while freeing up nacelle components for other ships
In Star Fleet Battles it was a DD known as the "tadpole"
That is the most abrupt end to a video I've ever seen lol
So there's a ship with a big gun and it's called the Freedom class
*Fortunate Son starts playing in the background slowly getting up to volume*😉
This is a next generation of the old Saladin class design and it's classified as a destroyer.
I asked to serve on a mighty Galaxy class. What I got was a rinky dink scooter.
I figured out why people hate on mono nacelle ships. If that nacelle is damaged, the ship can't go to warp.
But there's probably several episodes in every series where a Enterprise, Voyager or Defiant has a damaged port or starboard nacelle and can't go to warp. It's a great big dirty finger poked into the eye of many peoples head cannon and cannon itself. Quad, tri, or dual nacelle, there is no redundancy in the number of nacelles a ship has.
As far as cannon goes, it really should be the rule: "If you want to damage the ship so it's not warp capable, the warp core must be made off-line or ALL Nacelles must be damaged/disabled". If we have mono nacelle ships of comparable size/mass able to make a stable warp bubble and get to warp 8, it doesn't make sense that other ships can't align a stable warp-field to carry the ship out at low duration/speed warp.
I like it a lot, of course it would make a lot more sense if the nacelle was a giant impulse engine and it was towed by its fellow ships
So it does make sense that Starfleet would need a more stripped down generic version, to perform basic tasks within its own borders, but I don't think it would have had this in mind.
I thought that was why they kept the old excelsior and Miranda classes around for over a century
Oh, cool! Another chapter in the saga of the lance phaser! You rock, dude.
I have never liked this design but thanks to this video, I have a new appreciation for it.
The Freedom class is in my audio drama series, the USS Liberty (NCC-68701) Star Trek: Outpost. Honestly, I am, first and last, a Sovereign class kind of guy. Keep em coming!! Good job!
Do you have anymore episodes coming out?
@@EpochUnlocked Indeed. Just finished Episode 83. Should be out any day now. I'm in it. lol
@@cdrocrossdiscovery Awesome. I desperatley needed a fix cuz I eork 12 hours a day, and it is monotonous work. Audiodramas and audiobooks are my only repreive.
I have the eaglemoss model of this ship and i love it.
It's like the scout class, Constitution class varient in the TOS Technical Manual.
I really like these types of designs
I would call it a destroyer maybe a heavy destroyer but not a ff
The way you describe it. You could almost say its a progenitor of the California class. Except it can be used by mounting a mighty, great big phaser on it.
kinda yeah. although i suspect the california was already knocking about in TNG.
First! 🎶I was looking for Freeeeedommm.🎵. That canon was added latter.
In TOS, this type of ship was a Destroyer.
There was no such ship type in TOS,
Think if this class used Enterprise C nacelle instead of the D and maybe a different looking “neck” strut, it might look vastly better.
I would’ve mounted the massive weapon on top side on rear of saucer upon a small neck structure sticking upwards with just enough clearance to fire its weapon.
i definitely agree with using an ambassador nacelle. i assume that there were 'derivatives' of the ambassador. its just a shame we never saw them.
I built a model of the NCC-501 way way back some 40 years ago.
It was a one off ship designed to test the Galaxy nacelle design and probably the Galaxy warp core. That is precisely while it was close to Wolf 359.
I'd assume that these are the 'class' of ugly ships that become endeared by their crews so much so that they defend them in bar fights amidst insult slingers from the "prettier" ships.
I could definitely see that being the case after all your ship is your home.
Do phasers really just scorch a hull? I had the opinion that the Federation phaser was similar to a small version of Ender's Games' molecular detachment device. The weapon deposits nadions onto the target that propagates while disintegrating the matter that makes up the target.
Phasers are essentially to strip the molecular bonds at the atomic level of wherever it impacts .
We need to consider warp necceles to the way of modern airplanes. There are single engine planes like prop planes or the F-16 or the J32... Two engines like on most jets around the world. Three engines like in the DC and MD line. Four engines like the Beoing liners and the Airbus. Six to eight engines on B52s or Antonov planes.
A cheap, quick to build, light on crew ship that can be easily modded to fit a large sorting of missions. Honestly while not a pretty ship she's a valuable ship when used properly.
Engineering: ‘Captain, the nacelle has been damaged and is no longer working!’
Captain: ‘No problem, just have us go to warp using the second nacel....oooohhh. Guess we are stuck here then’z
It looks like cardassia needs some freedom...
[SFC ] Hey we need a Patrolship, and that yesterday!
[UPFY] Sir, we have a couple of Galaxy class nacells,
Constitution class Necks
and a count of Ambassador class saucers.
It is okey?
[SFC] Yay....What? Ah....oh..ehm...how ever..build it!
Seven Weeks later...
[UPFY] So, thats its, the new Ship, we call it USS - Freedom
[SFC] Stupid Name for such kind of ship.
and why so less armed?
He watched the wreck of a constelation class
[SFC] Hey look at that!
[UTFY] Sir?
[SFC] This big Cannon! The new Ship need this!
[UPFY] But, sir such weapons are usless on Ships like the Freedom.
[SFC] DO IIIIT!
I WILL SEE THIS ON THIS!!
[UTFY] Uhhhh...yes Sir...
And that was that the story of the Freedom class. XD
And with an oval frying pan, there's room for more bacon!
Fantastic. Please do galaxy class dreadnought
I like it. It's basically taking a Galaxy class saucer, and strapping on a warp engine.
I like the Freedom Class! :)
Thanks
I liked the Saladin-class destroyer from the original Starfleet Technical manual. Also the similar scout class.
That's the hermes class scout.
@@jasonparis5635 Yup. I remember one of the main differences being the lack of photon torpedoes on the scout.
I'd love to see a video on the Niagara and Springfield classes.
That's a beautiful ship I just think
Here is a Voth/Federation Hybrid.
The Hull of the Voth Bulwark Dread Cruiser would have a saucer section added to the forward section of Dread Cruiser, back to about half the entire length of the hull of Dread/Cruiser.
A nacelle would be fit to each of the wings protruding from the rear of the Dread/Cruiser.
The Scorpion Tale that extends below the hull of the Dread Cruiser would also remain and would be fit with a more powerful, faster firing and more accurate version of the cannon that is fit on the Freedom.
Impulse engines would be fit under each wing pylon with the after section containing the Voth engine being replaced with a hangar bay with three squads of defense fighters and two squads of siege bombers.
The section of Voth hull under the saucer section would house the deflector array secondary support shuttle hanger bays, two per side + heavy photo torpedo launchers.
Two micro photo torpedo launchers would be placed along the lateral sides of the saucer section under hull for lateral shots.
The Scorpions Stinger would have two , standard torpedo launchers facing forward and aft wards.
Standard phaser arrays on the saucer sections plus smaller arrays situated around the rest of the hull that would designed to defend against fast moving ships and incoming torpedoes.
This hybrid ship would be used primarily as an Anti-Borg/Synth/Clone ship.
She isn't very manueverable 10 degrees / sec turn rate, but with her long range cannon and support fighters, shuttles and bombers, she could be comparable to the Cardassian Hutet Class, which she would fair very well against.
By Synth and Clone, I mean the possibility of a Threat Force capturing the Synth Cloning technology on Copellius that was used to Clone Picard with.
If such technology ever fell into the hands of any number of Threat Forces across the galaxy, the ability for a Threat Force to first develop clones and then inject Elite and Epic skills into the clone would lead to races far more powerful than Khan.
Thus a heavy statiom breaker is needed to defend against large Threat Force vessels and installations.
Like the Mirandas, I would wonder where the Navigational Deflector on this class is.
I assume the single nacelle works as the Galaxy nacelle houses two warp coils in it.
I had always thought that, to create a warp bubble to get forward thrust, two nacelles were necessary. Not three, not four. The engine is the main thing, so having more than two nacelles, or less, would hamper warp power. In my opinion, that is.
The Freedom-class, named by the Luna-1 Cochran High School class of 2336, was designed by 8th grader Tammy Bowman of Fairfield, Connecticut, as chosen by online voting.
Though the Freedom Class wss developed prior to the Dominion War, I could have seen Star Fleet developing a class of mono nasal ships to act as convoy escorts during that war. Designed so they could be built quickly, and consume as few resources as possible (while still being able to offer some level of protection where otherwise there would be none available), such a class of ships would have filled the same roll that the Flower Class corvettes did during the Second World War .
Would a good assumption for the Inquiry class be that the 2 emitters on the forward ventral part of the saucer are Mark III lance phasers?
i don't care what anyone says one engine ships are helpful in some ways they also do the jobs every one else hates to do they are perfect work horses of the fleet they also make great scouts and its good to see that one engine ships are also used as long range sniper support so its good to see this class vessel being used like it is
This actually made me like this weird ship
Honestly this ship would look marginally better with a Ambassador class warp nacelles. It feels to me to be that era of a ship
Saladin/hermes class they were shown on a screen in star trek tmp and st2
There is no "rule" concerning nacelle count, Roddenberry wasn't in the picture when he came up with that and he already approved single nacelle ships when he opted to use one on a display in one of the films.
Your passion for ship design and ship tech in general as well as expositing about sociopolitical events and stuff in the trek universe is obvious. I think about such things myself and have always thought that in reality..what with physics and the lack of drag in a vacuum, and the requirements for spacecraft to serve a military role and a diplomatic or exploratory role...if i wanted to create a unique but not necessarily strikingly beautiful or even "cool" looking ship....i would take say a oblong asteroid...one shaped like Oumuamua...not sure of the actual spelling...and tunnel and dig the necessary levels and cavernous spaces inside it to house the engineering levels, barracks, armories, flight decks and hangars, large storage areas for consumables, all the accoutrements a ultra long endurance ship would need...perhaps built into a nickel iron asteroid....so the actual material could serve as shielding from radiation and armor...and thats what my fleet would at least partially consist off..deep space/ interstellar mobile starbases as well as actual ships. Dont need to be aerodynamic. Or pretty. Would use the available material in a systems debris ring or asteroid belt. Given powerful enough impulse engines and warp drive to be just as fast as a dedicated starship and have decent maneuverability...i dunno....i know it wouldnt have the same ooomph factor as a Akira or Excelsior class....but it would be a nigh unstoppable juggernaut if executed and designed correctly. Keep it up Venom . its nice to see TH-camrs that have a passions for scifi and get deep into their craft.
Not the first cannon single nacelle ship, several of the Franz Joseph ship designs were seen on the various bridge screens in ST:TMP.
I like this ship a lot
As a rule fleets are happy to repeat a class name. So long as the previous class of the same name is out of service. Freedom class of the 24th century clearly wasn’t going to be in use next to the Freedom class of the 22nd century.
Venom Geek, love your work. You have mentioned a couple of times how placing warp nacelles below the center of mass of a ship allows for superior acceleration (a la the Klingon Bird of Prey).
I know this a fictional world so it’s fine if there is no sciencey answer to this question, but her it goes. How does up down orientation have meaning in three dimensional space (when not in a gravity well)? I can see how off centered nacelles (significantly above or below the center of gravity could have an effect), but not one but not the other.
Thanks,
My understanding is that impulse drive affects the surrounding physical space, while warp drive provides time compression. So it would seem that the warp nacelles give the ship speed but the impulse engines give it maneuverability. The number or size of nacelles would only determine how fast we can get there, not what course we choose to go by.
hmm the freedom class almost looks like either a light destroyer or a scout though the only thing that allowed it to hit above its own weight was the phaser drill that some of them had though normally they weren't standard issue heck it has no torpedo launchers either from what i can see
I actually like this ship. For support, transport, diplomatic, and patrol duty within federation space it would be ideal. It doesn't really need to have the endurance or top speed of a deep space explorer or heavy cruiser.
Its a nice ship and all but i would like to redirect the designer to the rules
by this point in TNG they are beginning to play fast and loose with those. Even andrew probert bent the rules with the ferengi D'kora
@@venomgeekmedia9886 eh you could pack 2 warp coils in a Galaxy nacelle anyway. It won’t look good but still
Honestly, small ships are needed for any balanced fleet. The problem with the Freedom class is the same as Treaty Era destroyer designs: packing to many systems in too small of a hull, making a fragile and unstable warship. The Freedom is preceded by the Miranda in fleet service, and succeeded by the Nebula/Defiant/Saber line. It isn't bad, just the product of flawed doctrine.
How does it establish a stable warp field? I know Vulcan ships have a ring system, but that ring is able to generate a warp bulb.
The NX wasn't designated for a particular government of star trek. It was used as the test prototype of that class vessel. Every new class vessel that came off the line the prototype was NX until it came out of trials & fully commissioned in service. Then it would get the ncc designation.
I quite like the Freedom class it may not be the best looking Starship but I like it
I had a spatula under a plate on the drying rack.
While I dont like the visual of the freedom class that much, I do like its role. And I think mono nacelles could visually be a lot cooler if designed a bit better, especially if it was say paired with some symmetrical assembly, like say a massive torpedo pod like on the new orleans, Or perhaps a Triangular mount etc etc.
Logistics and manufacturing wise, I think this is a solid ship, idk if in universe it is easier to produce but I figure it could be.
Who would want a ship like this?
Good for evacuations?
intresting i thought it was simply a upgrade to the Distroyer / scout class similar to those in STO
I actually like many of the kitbash designs. For spacecraft, where aerodynamic considerations aren't an issue, modularity makes a lot of sense. Still, z single nacell with no secondary/engineering hull is a bit too much (or rather too little) in terms of suspension of disbelief.
I have had to resubscribe.
Your not the first to say That.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 I was wondering why I was not seeing your content. But problem solved 😁. Also the tng freedom is an abomination 🤣🤣🤣
Looks like Saladin class Destroyer but TNG era.
I really don't see why this ship is "so slow and cumbersome", it's not the nacelle that makes a ship agile.
The only thing that makes it slow is warp speed.
I don't see what the big deal is about this class. It looks like a TNG Saladin, and adds some variety to that era of ships.
The freedom class has a very … interesting design with only 1 nacelle. It strikes me as a very short range ship and I only ever really saw it as a ship that would run between nearby colonies patrolling or protecting convoys.
I prefer the niagra class over the freedom however
i have to agree with you there.
Can you please do a ship chat on the Niagara class please?
I like it
Welcome to the Freedom class vessel USS Penile Sillouett NCC 6996 😅
It's the band nerd of Starfleet.
I can see in some interpretations of the universe, where you have single, double, and triple nacelles indicating a ships over al mass as being a cool idea. Reminds me of the Tarka from Sword of the Stars. But on starfleet flying saucers it just looks kinda dinky.
If the freedom had had a secondary hull it might look less weird. But this design just looks very strange. And I'm still not 100% on whether I like SF ships without their secondary hulls either.
Sword of the Stars...? Where I know that name from?
I think single nacelle ships would look much better with a secondary hull. They just look weird with a nacelle attached to the lower decks of the neck. The old Fasa ships did the same.
equally it might make the design too 'heavy' for just one engine.
USS Kelvin's class really made the single nacelle work by doing what you suggested, a bigger saucer some super structure near the back and smaller but thicker pylons made the ship look quite balanced and oddly sleek.
The Freedom class is a Heavy Destroyer not a Frigate. Check out ASBD Ships of the Star Fleet Vol. 2 Patrol Combants. You can download the pdf file from the Star Trek Cygnus X-.Net website
I wonder what of a vid of about Spacedocks?
possibly. i might have to do a rant on the earth spacedock though...
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Well it was strip down for peace time
This basically a sniper ship or as I call it an artillery cruiser/frigate hybrid
Off topic: but why didn't all the ships that got taken out at Wolf 359 have warp core breeches and blow up?
And if the hull did survive that would mean there were crew survivors on board… unless the Borg beamed them all off for/after Assimilation.
That is actually a great point. Ramming speed (at warp if possible) and self destrucion