God... They did the champion so freaking dirty, many players are skipping him because 1.4 just seems better. I'll be pulling for him anyway because I love Lighter and I want to support the first limited male character
Honestly I don't think he has a great team at the moment anyway. His best team is likely with Ellen but hard to justify it if you want Miyabi. He'll likely be a great rerun character, which isn't a bad spot to be in.
Miyabi's kit changes as per last credible leak have changed from anomaly/own teammate to support/own teammate (not sure if there's gonna be more changes) so many are commenting that Lighter will not be a good fit in a Miyabi team. Most likely i will skip Lighter now that Miyabi wants her own teammates to proc big PP disorder damage.
Why did they have to make him buff fire and ice only? As a the king of fighters' K' fan, the character lighter is based on, I feel I must pull him, cause I really like K'. But is very incompatible with my account. I have only pulled M1 Zhu Yuan and M0W1 Ceasar. I dont have Ellen, no burnice, no soldier 11, and I dont plan to pull Miyabi cause I dont like her tbh. So who am I suppose to buff with lighter? Freaking DPS soukaku? A sub DPS lucy?! A freaking DPS Ben? DPS Lycaon?! Come on! 😠 Iam gonna pull him, cause I dont really pull for meta and I actually clean endgame content very confortably with Ceasar who happens to be the best char in the game thankfully. But man, my best bet is playing DPS Lighter at this point lmao 💀, buff the crap outta him with Ceasar and Lucy and his own buffs. That, or pull a soldier 11 with my guaranteed 300th standart pull which is still months far away (currently at 190 pulls). It is looking grimmy for the champ :/
Lighter Lucy currently is straight gimping Miyabi for the sake of using them. Ice weak enemies have terrible fire buildup and with Lucy and Lighter her Frostbite effect will end before a disorder happens. It's only better than running her Solo because of buffs.
@@CrimsonKaiserx8 I disagree with him not being designed to work with Miyabi because she will absolutely destroy anything in the game during a stun window with those disgusting multipliers. With Burnice triggering burns and Miyabi triggering frost anomaly you had decent charge generation, and the stun window being frequent (and longer because of Lighter passive) meant there was a lot of synergy there. Her requirement change completely removes that option. It's likely that the Ult changes made the comp way too hard to balance.
Saving for miyabi but lowkey might pull for lighter and hopefully I get him but losing the 50/50 would still be nice too since I dont have many 5 stars
Watching Hoyo continuously do my favorite characters dirty. Hoyo classic, make super cool male character, give them negative screen time, give them a niche or low ease of use kit, drop him right before crazy op female waifu character. First Argenti, then Boothill, now Lighter.
damn we really only hv 2 team for him huh and he's not even a BiS in those two team... hopefully they'll release an ice/fire attacker tht can benefit from his buff sooner
With the leaks we’ve got, I’m conflicted on pulling for Lighter vs. Miyabi. I’d like to snag Lighter for my S11 and M3 Ellen teams (I have M3 Lycaon but no Koleda), but people are talking up Miyabi like she’s going to be a MUST pull (I know nothing about her kit, as I joined shortly after the full release). Any suggestions?
Hello, I'm kind of a newb so I'd like to ask what is he referring to when he labels characters as pivots and pairs(im guessing main is main damage dealer but not sure for the rest)? Also, what teams are good for lighter if I have all the SoC's and no other S ranks?
As much as I like his style he just doesn't fit in any team. Why didn't they made him a Physical/Fire DPS he would be so much better and you could pair with his crew Ceaser, Burnice/Lucy ,Lighter would be my favorite team
Lucy have more buff up time and her buff is easier to apply. Nicole takes up more field time and her buff have low up time and is enemy based. if you use it on small mobs when the mobs is gone the buff is gone. if you already built nicole, go ahead and use her and save your resources for the next limited S. the difference between the two will not be too great. but you will have to tweak yourplaystyle accordingly
Don't get me wrong, I like the women. HOWEVER, I have been dying for a human male in this game since launch. I don't care if lighter is getting doomposted. I already have his disc drives and mats ready for when he comes home haha and I will force him to play with miyabi come hell or high water. Mark my words, this is going to be a topaz moment when everyone shits on the character at launch because they seem weird or no good pairings, then a new unit will come out later and they will be relevant. Though, honestly, I'm just pulling him because he's hot lol
Do stun multipliers stack? Like Lycaon and Qingyi together? Don't have Qingyi so i cant test myself. But ya, i'm super excited for team combos. Ellen/Lighter/Rina is probably the main ice, but also curious about ellen/Lycaon/Lighter if stun debuffs do stack, now have a reason to level soilder 11 for 11/lighter/caesar! Plus Billy/Lighter/Caesar will be fun for story reasons. He doesn't do to much for Billy at base but his Mindscapes do and this is the first character i want to get M1 and maybe M2 for
@@jaku9730then don't get him since he's not a dps also wait until more kit details get sent out before rushing in on a team that he's not gonna be good with.
@@jaku9730 if you want to play him like a dps you might as well just buff him with support characters like lucy and caesar, no real point building up stun with koleda just to swap to another stun unit to do dps during stun, even without building the impact disc set he has higher base impact than normal due to his class.
Is ice res incorporated into his kit for lore reasons? He could’ve lowered fire and physical instead (fire and physical being the on-brand attributes for SoC) and been a premier stunner for units like Billy (the unit he shares lore with) and Corrin (who does extra damage to stunned targets). I really hope there’s lore attached to that decision, because this is shaping up to be one of the biggest wastes this game has seen to date.
Thank you for this guide. I will personally be using him with S11 and Lucy. Will also try using Miyabi, Lighter and Lucy when she comes out. I kinda miss the Hypercarry playstyle so I'm looking forward to pairing him with Miyabi whatever that team can bring.
@@simmereenplays Oh yes I already know from a dream and it sounds really fun to use those three together a true song of fire and Ice so I'm really excited ☺️
@@CrimsonKaiserx8 Bro no one is forcing them Together. Where did you get that idea? Everyone here is just excited to use them together since they genuinely like them. No one is fighting you over it so just let people get excited over the units they liked. Seriously, which one in the community hurt you? Lol let's give em a payback 😜
I was thinking about running Lighter with Nicole/Lucy and Caesar. 😊I’ve built out my Billy too so I can use him as well. I’m definitely going to try him with Miyabi when she releases and with Lucy or Caesar. I can also just slot him in with one of my fire teams as well as a stun.😄
Yeah, this is the easiest skip I've ever had since starting ZZZ. I started during Qingyi banner but didn't get her but I've gotten I believe each limited banner since. I also have Koleda and running her with S11. While Lighter would be an upgrade it's not essential for my account. I love the design just like the rest of the faction but with a possibility of missing a 50/50 with Miyabi I can't justify pulling Lighter. I need an Ice DPS other than Soukaku.
@@cabangonlorenz7419 bro if you have her c6 she puts out insane dmg with polar metal, just need to make sure she has her enhanced basics which is super easy once shes c6
Lighter Miyabi Support wont do anything, the disorder output is too low And those last few teams are just memes, idk what that's doing in a best teams video, but I guess it speaks to the absolute lack of good teammates for this guy
You can still use Lycaon, Lighter and either Ellen or S11, both work. Also there will be characters suitable for him in the future. They probably changed Miyabi's requirements to benefit Astra Yao or any other of the upcomming characters.
althrough i just had only fire sup-dps Burnice( no Ellen and 11) but i decided to roll Lighter because i Luv him so much. He brought me to this game since i saw the trailer that has his cool appearance. He took my heart and no one can be him even though this is a game full of girls❤❤❤
Lighter seeming more and more useless to my account lol but ima still get him to support ZZZ getting a male character for once lol. Hopefully he’ll eventually be useful on some kind of meta team down the line
Anyone saying he’s useless, his role will only get better as time goes on. IMO I’m not even a big fan of his design but I’m still pulling because I feel like I’ll regret not getting him.
Just because current ones kinda suck doesn't mean future ones will. Hoyo games' meta fluctuates between classes. In 2.X we'll probably leave the anomaly meta and enter the Attacker meta
@@dmcguire562Eh. Who knows. Break was shit on release in HSR and now it's the strongest archetype. (Well, not for much longer now that remembrance is a thing) The thing with attackers in ZZZ is that they made their multipliers way too low compared to anomalies and disorders, so at least it's a somewhat easy fix for future units. Harumasa is actually looking pretty good in the betas
God... They did the champion so freaking dirty, many players are skipping him because 1.4 just seems better. I'll be pulling for him anyway because I love Lighter and I want to support the first limited male character
Honestly I don't think he has a great team at the moment anyway. His best team is likely with Ellen but hard to justify it if you want Miyabi. He'll likely be a great rerun character, which isn't a bad spot to be in.
lighter got shafted hard with the miyabi support change
Lighter is gonna be insane once he gets dedicated teammates
I really hope the first limited Fire Attacker will be sick, just for Lighters sake
I really hope the first limited Fire Attacker will be sick, just for Lighters sake
This guy will be the least pulled 5 star yet
Miyabi's kit changes as per last credible leak have changed from anomaly/own teammate to support/own teammate (not sure if there's gonna be more changes) so many are commenting that Lighter will not be a good fit in a Miyabi team.
Most likely i will skip Lighter now that Miyabi wants her own teammates to proc big PP disorder damage.
Me thinking of using Lighter Lycaon Caesar 🤣🤣
Dps Lycaon? 👀
i love yr thought process. It makes the most sense to me
Why did they have to make him buff fire and ice only?
As a the king of fighters' K' fan, the character lighter is based on, I feel I must pull him, cause I really like K'.
But is very incompatible with my account. I have only pulled M1 Zhu Yuan and M0W1 Ceasar. I dont have Ellen, no burnice, no soldier 11, and I dont plan to pull Miyabi cause I dont like her tbh. So who am I suppose to buff with lighter? Freaking DPS soukaku? A sub DPS lucy?! A freaking DPS Ben? DPS Lycaon?! Come on! 😠
Iam gonna pull him, cause I dont really pull for meta and I actually clean endgame content very confortably with Ceasar who happens to be the best char in the game thankfully.
But man, my best bet is playing DPS Lighter at this point lmao 💀, buff the crap outta him with Ceasar and Lucy and his own buffs. That, or pull a soldier 11 with my guaranteed 300th standart pull which is still months far away (currently at 190 pulls).
It is looking grimmy for the champ :/
Leaks are saying miyabi need sec6 or support for her passive with 2 other s ranks that can do his job lighter is the hardest skip of my life
@@CrimsonKaiserx8thats really unfortunate... Sigh, his value seems so low... But I'll probably go and get him anyways.
Lighter Lucy currently is straight gimping Miyabi for the sake of using them. Ice weak enemies have terrible fire buildup and with Lucy and Lighter her Frostbite effect will end before a disorder happens. It's only better than running her Solo because of buffs.
Soukaku stocks are going through the roof boys 📈
I have yanagi but even if I didn’t I feel like lycaon soukaku might be better for miyabi anyway I don’t have Ellen or s11 so rip lighter 😢
@@CrimsonKaiserx8 I disagree with him not being designed to work with Miyabi because she will absolutely destroy anything in the game during a stun window with those disgusting multipliers. With Burnice triggering burns and Miyabi triggering frost anomaly you had decent charge generation, and the stun window being frequent (and longer because of Lighter passive) meant there was a lot of synergy there. Her requirement change completely removes that option. It's likely that the Ult changes made the comp way too hard to balance.
Saving for miyabi but lowkey might pull for lighter and hopefully I get him but losing the 50/50 would still be nice too since I dont have many 5 stars
Same he's just too hot to not pull for
same if i lost 50 chance, at least miyabi pull is guaranteed
Watching Hoyo continuously do my favorite characters dirty. Hoyo classic, make super cool male character, give them negative screen time, give them a niche or low ease of use kit, drop him right before crazy op female waifu character. First Argenti, then Boothill, now Lighter.
damn we really only hv 2 team for him huh and he's not even a BiS in those two team... hopefully they'll release an ice/fire attacker tht can benefit from his buff sooner
With the leaks we’ve got, I’m conflicted on pulling for Lighter vs. Miyabi. I’d like to snag Lighter for my S11 and M3 Ellen teams (I have M3 Lycaon but no Koleda), but people are talking up Miyabi like she’s going to be a MUST pull (I know nothing about her kit, as I joined shortly after the full release).
Any suggestions?
Hello, I'm kind of a newb so I'd like to ask what is he referring to when he labels characters as pivots and pairs(im guessing main is main damage dealer but not sure for the rest)?
Also, what teams are good for lighter if I have all the SoC's and no other S ranks?
As much as I like his style he just doesn't fit in any team.
Why didn't they made him a Physical/Fire DPS he would be so much better and you could pair with his crew Ceaser, Burnice/Lucy ,Lighter would be my favorite team
Will a lighter/s11/nicole team work as good as lighter/s11/lucy or is it just a straight up downgrade ?
Lucy have more buff up time and her buff is easier to apply.
Nicole takes up more field time and her buff have low up time and is enemy based. if you use it on small mobs when the mobs is gone the buff is gone. if you already built nicole, go ahead and use her and save your resources for the next limited S.
the difference between the two will not be too great. but you will have to tweak yourplaystyle accordingly
Sorry. I am an f2p so lycoan, miyabi and soukaku is for me.
Is any of his buffs better than Qingyi M6 because he is more specialist?
thank you so much for the husbando enjoyer section 🙏
Don't get me wrong, I like the women. HOWEVER, I have been dying for a human male in this game since launch. I don't care if lighter is getting doomposted. I already have his disc drives and mats ready for when he comes home haha and I will force him to play with miyabi come hell or high water. Mark my words, this is going to be a topaz moment when everyone shits on the character at launch because they seem weird or no good pairings, then a new unit will come out later and they will be relevant.
Though, honestly, I'm just pulling him because he's hot lol
Do stun multipliers stack? Like Lycaon and Qingyi together? Don't have Qingyi so i cant test myself.
But ya, i'm super excited for team combos. Ellen/Lighter/Rina is probably the main ice, but also curious about ellen/Lycaon/Lighter if stun debuffs do stack, now have a reason to level soilder 11 for 11/lighter/caesar! Plus Billy/Lighter/Caesar will be fun for story reasons. He doesn't do to much for Billy at base but his Mindscapes do and this is the first character i want to get M1 and maybe M2 for
unfortunately I dont think stuns stack, it will just take the highest stun mult value (qingyi's)
@sqwady12 that's what i figured, otherwise I'd probably see people trying it more. Thanks!
Multipliers don't stack but Lighter doesn't change multipliers so you can use him with Lycaon np
@Agni_- his M2 does, that's why I was curious about it. Thanks on the confirmation though 👍
Can I just force him into being a crit dps character with Koleda Burnice? Or Caesar?
Why would you put koleda in. Think man. Unless you like her then nvm
@@revo5124because I want him to be the dps not the stunner did you read my post?
just dont use koleda, use another buffer and you'll do higher than normal daze regardless, because your on fielder is in fact a stunner.
@@jaku9730then don't get him since he's not a dps also wait until more kit details get sent out before rushing in on a team that he's not gonna be good with.
@@jaku9730 if you want to play him like a dps you might as well just buff him with support characters like lucy and caesar, no real point building up stun with koleda just to swap to another stun unit to do dps during stun, even without building the impact disc set he has higher base impact than normal due to his class.
Is ice res incorporated into his kit for lore reasons?
He could’ve lowered fire and physical instead (fire and physical being the on-brand attributes for SoC) and been a premier stunner for units like Billy (the unit he shares lore with) and Corrin (who does extra damage to stunned targets).
I really hope there’s lore attached to that decision, because this is shaping up to be one of the biggest wastes this game has seen to date.
Idc about Miyabi because i already have Ellen, so im defo going for him
Same I love Ellen’s design more too
could be Lighter , lucy and crit Burnice be a thing?
Yep its a great team, off-meta but sure as hell it would work
Yep. Pretty sure Crit Burnice actually outdamages s11
Lighter, lycaon, Lucy
Thank you for this guide. I will personally be using him with S11 and Lucy. Will also try using Miyabi, Lighter and Lucy when she comes out. I kinda miss the Hypercarry playstyle so I'm looking forward to pairing him with Miyabi whatever that team can bring.
Maybe you should wait to see more of Lighter's kit and Miyabi kit before you decided on that.
@@CrimsonKaiserx8 I'm not saying anyone is better I'm just saying that its sounds really fun to use them together. Why are you killing the Hype man?
@@simmereenplays Oh yes I already know from a dream and it sounds really fun to use those three together a true song of fire and Ice so I'm really excited ☺️
@@CrimsonKaiserx8 Come to think of it, I think I'm seeing you everywhere killing the Hype for Lighter. Why are you so against the dude? Just curious 🤔
@@CrimsonKaiserx8 Bro no one is forcing them Together. Where did you get that idea? Everyone here is just excited to use them together since they genuinely like them. No one is fighting you over it so just let people get excited over the units they liked. Seriously, which one in the community hurt you? Lol let's give em a payback 😜
I heard that Harumasa is free is that true ?????
wait for 1.4 special program for confirmation.
I was thinking about running Lighter with Nicole/Lucy and Caesar. 😊I’ve built out my Billy too so I can use him as well. I’m definitely going to try him with Miyabi when she releases and with Lucy or Caesar. I can also just slot him in with one of my fire teams as well as a stun.😄
Yeah, this is the easiest skip I've ever had since starting ZZZ.
I started during Qingyi banner but didn't get her but I've gotten I believe each limited banner since.
I also have Koleda and running her with S11. While Lighter would be an upgrade it's not essential for my account.
I love the design just like the rest of the faction but with a possibility of missing a 50/50 with Miyabi I can't justify pulling Lighter. I need an Ice DPS other than Soukaku.
ICE DPS SOUKAKU IS INSANE 😭😭
@@cabangonlorenz7419😂😂
@@cabangonlorenz7419 bro if you have her c6 she puts out insane dmg with polar metal, just need to make sure she has her enhanced basics which is super easy once shes c6
Insane, hopefully she's in Miyabi's banner, cuz I have her C5 right now
This might be the first skip I've had since starting the game back when ellen first dropped.
Lighter Miyabi Support wont do anything, the disorder output is too low
And those last few teams are just memes, idk what that's doing in a best teams video, but I guess it speaks to the absolute lack of good teammates for this guy
dang...i guess me using fire puncher and dog kicker in a team wasnt meant to be. which is really sad because i started playing for those 2. :/
You can still use Lycaon, Lighter and either Ellen or S11, both work. Also there will be characters suitable for him in the future. They probably changed Miyabi's requirements to benefit Astra Yao or any other of the upcomming characters.
althrough i just had only fire sup-dps Burnice( no Ellen and 11) but i decided to roll Lighter because i Luv him so much. He brought me to this game since i saw the trailer that has his cool appearance. He took my heart and no one can be him even though this is a game full of girls❤❤❤
lighter, crit burnice and lucy
like me🫦🫦
Lighter seeming more and more useless to my account lol but ima still get him to support ZZZ getting a male character for once lol. Hopefully he’ll eventually be useful on some kind of meta team down the line
Skipping for Miyabi spending $1k on her❤
Anyone saying he’s useless, his role will only get better as time goes on. IMO I’m not even a big fan of his design but I’m still pulling because I feel like I’ll regret not getting him.
attackers are ass and that makes stunners also ass and he can't even be played with Miyabi, rip bro
Just because current ones kinda suck doesn't mean future ones will.
Hoyo games' meta fluctuates between classes. In 2.X we'll probably leave the anomaly meta and enter the Attacker meta
@@Agni_- PROBABLY is copium
@@dmcguire562Eh. Who knows. Break was shit on release in HSR and now it's the strongest archetype. (Well, not for much longer now that remembrance is a thing)
The thing with attackers in ZZZ is that they made their multipliers way too low compared to anomalies and disorders, so at least it's a somewhat easy fix for future units. Harumasa is actually looking pretty good in the betas
Wooo first here 🎉🎉🎉
Can really support miyabi anymore 😪 easy skip