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I grew up on the 870, bought a benelli supernova for a duck gun a few years back, and got issued a 14 inch mossberg 590 for work. I wanted to hate the mossberg but I can't deny that it has the best ergonomics of the 3 types of pump shotguns I've used
I few points of contention: While 3inch shells do reduce capacity, they do not inherently pattern worse (or even recoil worse). Why they can appear to pattern worse is folks often go from a 2 3/4” load with a wad with petals (rem express for instance) to a conventional type load (gas seal and cushion wad only) in 3”. This means the pellets actually contact the barrel during firing and deform. These loads benefit greatly from chokes. All of the serious shotgun reloaders typically gravitate towards the 3” 12 gauge as the optimum balance of case capacity and recoil. Bubba Rountree outdoors has numerous patterning videos if you want to see this. The greatest advantage of using a longer shell is the ability to have comparable payloads to a “magnum” 2 3/4” shell (I.e. 12 pellet 00 buck) while using a full length wad. Shot size: 00 buck is ok, it works and stacks in 3s in a conventional 12 gauge load. 1b stacks in 4s, still penetrates well, and has more total surface area than 00b which makes it a better all around fighting size (you get 12 pellets of 1b for 9 00b). 1b also stacks in 3s inside a wad, so you can get better patterns and more surface area than 00b in the same payload weight (my personal mass production load is 14p 1b in a 2 3/4” load with a full length wad). 4b is too light beyond ranges where the shot column is only a couple inches wide. It will fail to penetrate to the vitals on poor angles or through extended limbs. 4b is great inside the home, trash beyond 20m. At HD ranges, full power slugs penetrate less than 00 buck. They overexpand and break apart. There are numerous gel tests and several good X-rays of cadavers that show this. In many ways, they are the more responsible option over 00 buck. Lastly about chokes: interchangeable chokes allow you to tune your pattern. They do not necessarily make your pattern tighter. If you get a good deal on a bulk of shotgun shells, but the pattern is too tight or too large for your liking, changing the choke can allow you to still make use of those shells.
Good video, my comments; 1. Just empty the tube before clearing the chamber, like any other weapon. 2. Mossberg 500 is better due to the pump release and safety locations. 3. I love the ESSTAC shotgun cards
We use slugs for deer in Ohio. True story hunting deer in a shallow ravine, one guy down the middle shooting Hornady SST slugs driving deer from the opposite direction two guys on the top sides coming from the opposite direction. Shooter in the middle BANG, "GET DOWN" CRACK as the SST slug takes off the top of the deer's head. Next thing I heard is this eerie whirl sound as the SST slug turns almost 90% and zips right past me. Not an experience I ever want to repeat. Valuable lesson learned.
On the 870 if you leave the forend to the rear with the bolt open you can press the lifter up and it’ll stay up. Makes unloading it a tad bit easier without having to fight the lifter as much as
Sir Mr. Trench great video. I have been following you for a while. I train very often and I am working on a discussion/presentation for shotgun gear in conjunction with loading and carrying. This hands down I feel has been the best presentation you have given for shotguns and I hope more people come to this video to learn from you. I am only in opposition of 2 things in this video 1) never use a red dot 2) don’t use chokes. Keep in mind these are soft opposition. I agree that a bead sight literally has no failure point at all and never runs out of battery so this is literally combat proof but I do feel red dots offer an advantage over the bead sight but you do introduce failure points. With the chokes on the shotgun lately I have been getting convinced the other way. There are way more offerings now in chokes that are made specifically for for buckshot and do well and the biggest downside to a wider spread (in the event it is not inside a house or dwelling) is that each pellet is a liability ball and flyers carry consequences. Big ones. 9 hits spread out will cause an immediate response from the intended target but hitting or damaging something that is an unintended target may end you in the legal system.
I've had good luck with an RMR on my 590. I have it mounted on a scalarworks mount and it hasn't come loose. So far I've got about 300-400 rounds of buck and slugs with no issues. I dont use it for HD yet because I'm still testing it but so far looking good.
I prefer a 12 gauge shotgun for home defense. In defense of our Constitutional Republic, however, every American should strive to be able to ring a 10 inch diameter steel target , 10 out of 10 times at 500 yards. A quality bolt action rifle cost a little less than $1,000 . Quality optics can be purchased for less than $1,000. Your rifle and scope are as good an inflation hedge as anything else you can invest in. Treat your scoped rifle as the family heirloom it will become. It is easy to mount your scope to your rifle. If you are unsure of yourself a competent gunsmith can mount and boresight your scope in an afternoon. Tiborasaurus Rex on TH-cam has in depth instructional videos that will help you learn everything you need to know about long range shooting. Those of us that wish to preserve and protect our Constitutional Republic should strive to be competent marksman out past 500 yards.
I mean I somewhat agree with what you’re saying but the majority of Americans don’t live in the mountains of Afghanistan so they don’t need to “hit targets past 500 yards”. Making hits around 100-200 yards is a whole lot more realistic to our environments and an AR with an optic would be a whole lot more effective in that scenario than a bolt action
Disagree with the sighting solution. Proper loctite and torquing of the screws on both your mounting solution and optic. They’ll run fine and you’ll get all the same benefits of an optic you would on any other system.
Could you please make a separate video about your sling philosophy and technicals you did to jury rig your setup onto the buttstock? And possibly the mods you did/spray/“extras” etc aside from the placards. thanks boss. Great videos.
The first thing I replaced on my 870 was the follower, spring and extractor. Remington has cut corners that didn’t need to be cut on their 870’s in the past decade.
If the extractor on your 870 has a vertical line in it like from a mold in the casting process, replace it. A quality replacement is about $20 and 15 seconds
Grew up playing Left 4 Dead and as a result I have always been in love with the Benelli M4, something about the collapsible stock and the grip angle is just magnificent. Great video as always Trench!
Thanks for the awesome content trench! One addendum...."cruiser ready" condition two is best attained from a known clear weapon. In safe direction, drop the hammer, thus releasing the slide. Then load the magazine. Keep safety off.
🦃EXCELLENT video! Much appreciated. I especially appreciate the emphasis placed on the VITAL importance of patterning YOUR individual shotgun, with each individual type of ammo, at EVERY distance it may be utilized. Is there anything besides 🥩 that's even worth eating for dinner??? Agree completely with XS Big Dots being the best sight option for a fighting shotgun as well. Only 😁 from me.
I got a seven shot 590a1 marinecote and got a +1 extension from S and J hardware in Canada, his spring, and follower kit. It's actually pretty slick. Pretty good finish on it, but for some reason I've always been a quarter inch short of actually fitting 7 2 3/4" shells in the tube. So regardless, if I've got 2 and 3/4 or 3 inch magnums, I can only fit 6 + 1 either way, so the capacity arguments Moot for me. Federal makes a 3 inch magnum, 12 pellet 00 that's got the flight control wad, the buffering, and the plated pellets- it's relatively low velocity so no deformation. I sent the gun off to magnaport last year to get its forcing cone lengthened and some porting done and when used in conjunction with push pull holy shit that thing shoots flat and soft. I think that's got some real promise. I think we picked the shotgun because it's so damn devastating. If I can get away with three extra pellets, some more ass behind 00, why not?
I personally think that there should be someone with a shotgun in every team. At least someone with a mossberg shockwave on the back of their kit. It’s amazing how easy you can get into a door in a hurry with a shotgun…if need be. Plus, they are just versatile and can be used for a lot of different things. Different ammo types are easy to carry if you need something special. 🤙🏴🦍
Awesome video. I disagree with only one thing, for buckshot if you can use a choke, I definitely would. Like you said, you're responsible for every pellet. Keep em together for as long as possible. Hunting wise, deer drop faster the more energy you can hit em with. A 6 of inch spread of 00 buck is end game
The First Rule of Shotgun Club is practice loading a single quickly. The Second Rule of Shotgun Club is practice loading doubles quickly. The Third Rule of Shotgun Club is keep practicing the First & Second Rules.
the way to get around the ammo problem is to reload shells. makes it really cheap. cast your own projectiles too. probably shouldn't say this but last time i restocked my supply it also helps get around California's ammo laws. equipment is cheap too all you need is a roll crimper and power drill.
Exactly. I use a MEC reloader but shotshells are by far the easiest rounds to improvise in the event of ammo shortages and one of the beautiful things about the 870 is that it's forgiving of the quality of questionable shells.
I'm that shotgun guy, and I have been for many years. Always my first choice. I handload 12 and 16 Gauge Buckshot ammunition. I carry cut down 12 and 16 Gauge doubles as street guns that I load the ammunition for! Because Ricardo Tubbs. 😛 And it's fun. Definitely nobody expects to see you come up with one of those. Though they are heavy... Excellent general shotgun video. Almost everyone completely ignores training with this weapon, except for the occasional weirdo like me who's devoted to it. It has it's limitations. Heavy recoil, heavy bulky fragile ammunition, low capacity, short effective range, especially with barrels under 9", and slow reloading. But exceptionally devastating within range, and highly versatile. Though more for utility hunting than fighting. But you can make it do most of what you would generally need a gun for. 🦃
2 Mossbergs 12 G. One older pump all Black(590?) . (2) semi automatic 12G Calif legal short barrel. Stored for 3 years while relocating. Great tune up vid. I was trained on M14 only. In Los Angeles suburb my Mossberg or Tomahawk are my home defense choices. Thank you.
Nice 870. I got mine just prior to the bankruptcy when their QC was questionable. I didn't know that at the time and got it on pure name recognition. I had occasional failure to extract issues. It'd stovepipe from time to time. I fixed that issue by replacing the cheap MIM extractor with a machined replacement from Volquartsen. I also swapped the plastic follower with a high viz aluminum replacement. Failure to extract issues fixed. I also went with the Magpul furniture, barrel clamp and sling. Great products from them. I love the ergonomics of their shotgun stock in particular. Great hybrid of a pistol grip and traditional stock IMO. The finish is notorious for allowing rust so I had that redone with Cerakote. Now that Remington is back (under the name RemArms) I do hope the QC issues have been resolved. Remington is an American icon and I'd hate to see it go away permanently. As for the Mossberg vs Remington debate that sometimes comes up, I like both so I own both. I also got a 18.5" Mossberg 590A1. Got it setup pretty much the same as my 970 with the Magpul products plus a Surefire mini scout light (500 Lumens) as it's my go to. I'm blind in my right eye so I have to shoot left handed and the controls on the Mossberg are much more ambi/lefty friendly. In regards to gimmick shells, I got some of those Winchester Defender "defense" loads that is a slug with three 00Buck. Yeah, I'd say they're a gimmick too but when checking the pattern, they spread pretty nice in my 590A1. At 10 or so yards, the slug hit center mass with the three 00Buck hitting all around it. But still, I think you're better off with either 00Buck or #4Buck. I too have watched lots of Paul Harrel vids and have learned a lot from him. Sadly, he has cancer and his brother is taking over the channel. It'll be a truly sad day when we lose him. I and likely millions of other gun owners who go to "gun tube" for pointers and advice have learned so much from him.
🦃 the one point sling makes sense. Is it as critical when your shotgun is magazine fed? Great job, Trench. Keep it up. Ill be joining your patreon group next payday.
🦃😥I love my shotguns, but would appreciate you also putting up an AK 101 video. I started with a Mossberg 500, but now have a 590S, as well as a Benelli M4. Keep up the good work Trench!
Brand/load of ammo also really influences pattern. From the same gun and barrel, at the same distance, you can get vastly different pattern sizes with different brands of ammo, even if they're all 9-pellet, 00 Buck. I suggest going to the range with at least 2-3 brands of buckshot when you pattern. The shotgun I've used the most is the 870, most of that in 3-Gun competition. I eventually got a Stoeger M3000 which was a turd of a gun, and now I have a Benelli M2. My local 3-Gun clubs now have a 2-Gun division (pistol & rifle only) and that's my preferred division, so I rarely shoot shotguns anymore.
Some solid stuff for beginners. Only thing I think is important to add is snap caps for practicing reloads. For all the lazy trainers out there, with a full set of snap caps, there's no excuse not to practice dry fire and reloading. Gets you used to cycling the gun, the weight of the gun, and obviously effective reloading without NDing the neighbors cat.
Its crazy that this guy has been in the army for eleven years. He looks like he's in his early twenties. If he went in at 18, he'd be 29-30. I guess I'm just old. Anyone under 40 looks like a kid to me anymore.😅 Though if I ever see pictures from when I was a kid, people in their late twenties and early thirties *did* actually look older back in the eighties. I must say, his ability to communicate ideas and speak are impressive to me. Practice I guess. I'm 50 and I'm terrible at explaining things and speaking to a group.
At 25 yards mine patterned in the middle between Zach and Jeff with the obligatory flyer half the time. I have the classic 870. I’m 32 now but started hunting with it at 12 and it’s so second nature to me for controls, loading etc that I almost feel like if it switched to anything else I might be less effective idk
Turkey comment….plump butterball. Great vid, reminded me of some stuff I have neglected. The esstac cards are wonderful and are a must in my opinion. I’m left handed and my two point sling gets in the way pretty badly. I will get a single point asap. Great video very informative. Rifles are awesome but for up close the shotgun is supreme. Either the 870 or the mossberg 590A1 (I have the 20 inch bead sight) are the best bang for your buck deals in the firearms world. The benelli is high as giraffe balls but worth every penny.
If shtf it best to have shotgunners in pairs with full shell belts or bandolieers they can be effective behind cover for suppression fire 1 shooting from cover the other picking shells off of the one shooting to reload when the 1st shooter is out they switch.
Hey good video man The term “cruiser mode” may have come from the Dallas PD shot gun squads. They ran like that for a while but eventually changed it up.
My mavrick 88 load out i have 78 rounds. 8 in the gun. 5 on the side 5 on the butt stock and 60rounds in a fanny pack. Its super fast to load from the pack. I recomend people try it.
Interesting what you think about the single point sling. About 6 months ago I decided to get a single point sling for my 870 cause I thought it would be easiest for indoor use
I started with single points but after realizing that in any realistic situation, you are holding it. A two point makes it so much nicer. If I was at a match, then sure single point, but 90% of time I need the extra control/retention. I started hunting deer with a 20” 500 and magpul ms1 sling and it was so easy to carry and have ready to shoulder while pushing thickets
@@KingNothing86 for walking around outside then yeah 2 point is better. Inside a house is where a single point shines. The only reason I did it was because I got paranoid about my good expensive serious guns (which have 2 point slings) cause if you use a gun in Minecraft, even if you’re proven innocent, you’ll likely never get that gun back so I made my 870 one of my HD guns that I don’t care about losing as much. Can always get another 870 but can’t always get the other things I have
Love your shit man definitely have a lot of good info and experience. I run mine more as a breacher/second long gun so its a bit different then everything designed shotgun only but still brings me a lot of ideas and information that helps me train 🤙
I would argue if someone is gonna run a very small pcc a single point sling is also ok to use. But I wouldn’t recommend a pcc so I guess I agree with your statement that single points are only good for shotguns
And if you think you need to breach doors with a scatter gat…learn and train how to do it correctly. You will fuck yourselve, or teammates up if you don’t know what you’re doing 🤙🏴🦍
Shotguns are a lot like snub nose revolvers. They’re expert guns that require a lot of training to run correctly. And they only fill a very small role in my defensive plan. 99% of the time, I’m grabbing my suppressed 11.5” in any sort of HD situation.
Hey Trench, I would love to see the Handgun 101 and the AK 101 Video, probably pork and rice with vegetables, made at home of course, I have no idea how to leave a steak emoji.
Instructions unclear, just blew a 3 inch hole in my living room wall.
😮........no !!!! Did ya haft to go check your paints too afterwards???
😂
😅🤣
Better go to home depot and get some drywall gear
It’ll patch right up dog
I grew up on the 870, bought a benelli supernova for a duck gun a few years back, and got issued a 14 inch mossberg 590 for work. I wanted to hate the mossberg but I can't deny that it has the best ergonomics of the 3 types of pump shotguns I've used
I love my mossbergs.
590a1 yeah baby !
What about the supernova tactical model
Wow. Minecraft sounds brutal. I'm a little concerned about my nephews now.
That actually got me laughing good. 👍
Check on them, because in todays society and education system, your nephews already may be your nieces.
I few points of contention:
While 3inch shells do reduce capacity, they do not inherently pattern worse (or even recoil worse). Why they can appear to pattern worse is folks often go from a 2 3/4” load with a wad with petals (rem express for instance) to a conventional type load (gas seal and cushion wad only) in 3”. This means the pellets actually contact the barrel during firing and deform. These loads benefit greatly from chokes. All of the serious shotgun reloaders typically gravitate towards the 3” 12 gauge as the optimum balance of case capacity and recoil. Bubba Rountree outdoors has numerous patterning videos if you want to see this. The greatest advantage of using a longer shell is the ability to have comparable payloads to a “magnum” 2 3/4” shell (I.e. 12 pellet 00 buck) while using a full length wad.
Shot size: 00 buck is ok, it works and stacks in 3s in a conventional 12 gauge load. 1b stacks in 4s, still penetrates well, and has more total surface area than 00b which makes it a better all around fighting size (you get 12 pellets of 1b for 9 00b). 1b also stacks in 3s inside a wad, so you can get better patterns and more surface area than 00b in the same payload weight (my personal mass production load is 14p 1b in a 2 3/4” load with a full length wad). 4b is too light beyond ranges where the shot column is only a couple inches wide. It will fail to penetrate to the vitals on poor angles or through extended limbs. 4b is great inside the home, trash beyond 20m.
At HD ranges, full power slugs penetrate less than 00 buck. They overexpand and break apart. There are numerous gel tests and several good X-rays of cadavers that show this. In many ways, they are the more responsible option over 00 buck.
Lastly about chokes: interchangeable chokes allow you to tune your pattern. They do not necessarily make your pattern tighter. If you get a good deal on a bulk of shotgun shells, but the pattern is too tight or too large for your liking, changing the choke can allow you to still make use of those shells.
This might be the most fudd comment I've ever seen
@@innawoodsinoculation8683 I don’t think you know what a fudd is. Just say you don’t understand shotguns and move on
Good video, my comments;
1. Just empty the tube before clearing the chamber, like any other weapon.
2. Mossberg 500 is better due to the pump release and safety locations.
3. I love the ESSTAC shotgun cards
Freaking love my 500!
We use slugs for deer in Ohio. True story hunting deer in a shallow ravine, one guy down the middle shooting Hornady SST slugs driving deer from the opposite direction two guys on the top sides coming from the opposite direction. Shooter in the middle BANG, "GET DOWN" CRACK as the SST slug takes off the top of the deer's head. Next thing I heard is this eerie whirl sound as the SST slug turns almost 90% and zips right past me. Not an experience I ever want to repeat. Valuable lesson learned.
On the 870 if you leave the forend to the rear with the bolt open you can press the lifter up and it’ll stay up. Makes unloading it a tad bit easier without having to fight the lifter as much as
Though I’m more of a Mossberg guy myself, lil easier to do slug change over
Can even put the bolt half way and push the lifter up.
@@rico989 Yes sir 👍
I know exactly who I need to send this to Thanks trench 🙏
I have been so patient. Just waiting for the lpvo video 😂
I love these videos. Please keep this series going 🦃
👍
I'm a huge fan of the Mossbergs myself, mainly because of where the safety is.
Trench you definitely learned a thing or two from the Gospel of James Yeager. May he rest in peace.
Sir Mr. Trench great video. I have been following you for a while. I train very often and I am working on a discussion/presentation for shotgun gear in conjunction with loading and carrying. This hands down I feel has been the best presentation you have given for shotguns and I hope more people come to this video to learn from you.
I am only in opposition of 2 things in this video 1) never use a red dot 2) don’t use chokes. Keep in mind these are soft opposition. I agree that a bead sight literally has no failure point at all and never runs out of battery so this is literally combat proof but I do feel red dots offer an advantage over the bead sight but you do introduce failure points. With the chokes on the shotgun lately I have been getting convinced the other way. There are way more offerings now in chokes that are made specifically for for buckshot and do well and the biggest downside to a wider spread (in the event it is not inside a house or dwelling) is that each pellet is a liability ball and flyers carry consequences. Big ones. 9 hits spread out will cause an immediate response from the intended target but hitting or damaging something that is an unintended target may end you in the legal system.
Excellent tutorial and very similar to what I was taught in the police academy many years ago.
I would love to see both a ak and pistol version of this class
They have AK shotguns. Not this brand but I have the JTS AK 12. Love the damn thing.
I've had good luck with an RMR on my 590. I have it mounted on a scalarworks mount and it hasn't come loose. So far I've got about 300-400 rounds of buck and slugs with no issues. I dont use it for HD yet because I'm still testing it but so far looking good.
Thanks for your time Trench....oh and ATF
is still gayAF
ATF means ASS TO FACE
I prefer a 12 gauge shotgun for home defense.
In defense of our Constitutional Republic, however, every American should strive to be able to ring a 10 inch diameter steel target , 10 out of 10 times at 500 yards.
A quality bolt action rifle cost a little less than $1,000 . Quality optics can be purchased for less than $1,000. Your rifle and scope are as good an inflation hedge as anything else you can invest in. Treat your scoped rifle as the family heirloom it will become. It is easy to mount your scope to your rifle. If you are unsure of yourself a competent gunsmith can mount and boresight your scope in an afternoon.
Tiborasaurus Rex on TH-cam has in depth instructional videos that will help you learn everything you need to know about long range shooting.
Those of us that wish to preserve and protect our Constitutional Republic should strive to be competent marksman out past 500 yards.
I mean I somewhat agree with what you’re saying but the majority of Americans don’t live in the mountains of Afghanistan so they don’t need to “hit targets past 500 yards”. Making hits around 100-200 yards is a whole lot more realistic to our environments and an AR with an optic would be a whole lot more effective in that scenario than a bolt action
Love the build up in your series!
Great info. let’s do the AK version. Because AKs.
Disagree with the sighting solution. Proper loctite and torquing of the screws on both your mounting solution and optic. They’ll run fine and you’ll get all the same benefits of an optic you would on any other system.
Could you please make a separate video about your sling philosophy and technicals you did to jury rig your setup onto the buttstock? And possibly the mods you did/spray/“extras” etc aside from the placards. thanks boss. Great videos.
The first thing I replaced on my 870 was the follower, spring and extractor. Remington has cut corners that didn’t need to be cut on their 870’s in the past decade.
My buttstock bolt was cross threaded from the factory..
If the extractor on your 870 has a vertical line in it like from a mold in the casting process, replace it. A quality replacement is about $20 and 15 seconds
I did the same 3. Ditched the mim extractor for a Volquartsen, hd lifter spring, and mag extension tube that came with an aluminum follower
You’re a natural teacher. Well done!
Grew up playing Left 4 Dead and as a result I have always been in love with the Benelli M4, something about the collapsible stock and the grip angle is just magnificent. Great video as always Trench!
Check out the panzer , M4 clone 400 bucks , outstanding performance, runs like a Benellli
doubt it @@johnkessinger8107 .
Trench was built to be a that chill no bullshit local cop/Sheriff we all knew in our hometowns
Thanks for the awesome content trench!
One addendum...."cruiser ready" condition two is best attained from a known clear weapon. In safe direction, drop the hammer, thus releasing the slide. Then load the magazine. Keep safety off.
🥩 Polish sausages, sauerkraut, and baked beans for supper.
🦃EXCELLENT video! Much appreciated. I especially appreciate the emphasis placed on the VITAL importance of patterning YOUR individual shotgun, with each individual type of ammo, at EVERY distance it may be utilized. Is there anything besides 🥩 that's even worth eating for dinner??? Agree completely with XS Big Dots being the best sight option for a fighting shotgun as well. Only 😁 from me.
I got a seven shot 590a1 marinecote and got a +1 extension from S and J hardware in Canada, his spring, and follower kit. It's actually pretty slick. Pretty good finish on it, but for some reason I've always been a quarter inch short of actually fitting 7 2 3/4" shells in the tube. So regardless, if I've got 2 and 3/4 or 3 inch magnums, I can only fit 6 + 1 either way, so the capacity arguments Moot for me. Federal makes a 3 inch magnum, 12 pellet 00 that's got the flight control wad, the buffering, and the plated pellets- it's relatively low velocity so no deformation. I sent the gun off to magnaport last year to get its forcing cone lengthened and some porting done and when used in conjunction with push pull holy shit that thing shoots flat and soft. I think that's got some real promise. I think we picked the shotgun because it's so damn devastating. If I can get away with three extra pellets, some more ass behind 00, why not?
I personally think that there should be someone with a shotgun in every team. At least someone with a mossberg shockwave on the back of their kit. It’s amazing how easy you can get into a door in a hurry with a shotgun…if need be. Plus, they are just versatile and can be used for a lot of different things. Different ammo types are easy to carry if you need something special. 🤙🏴🦍
Awesome video. I disagree with only one thing, for buckshot if you can use a choke, I definitely would. Like you said, you're responsible for every pellet. Keep em together for as long as possible. Hunting wise, deer drop faster the more energy you can hit em with. A 6 of inch spread of 00 buck is end game
🥩 I had fried cod , baked beans and white cheddar macaroni. Ive been binge watching all of your shotgun videos, will double back for the others soon.
The First Rule of Shotgun Club is practice loading a single quickly.
The Second Rule of Shotgun Club is practice loading doubles quickly.
The Third Rule of Shotgun Club is keep practicing the First & Second Rules.
the way to get around the ammo problem is to reload shells. makes it really cheap. cast your own projectiles too. probably shouldn't say this but last time i restocked my supply it also helps get around California's ammo laws. equipment is cheap too all you need is a roll crimper and power drill.
Exactly. I use a MEC reloader but shotshells are by far the easiest rounds to improvise in the event of ammo shortages and one of the beautiful things about the 870 is that it's forgiving of the quality of questionable shells.
Outstanding operating instructions thank you
00 Buckshot round balls can be used as ammo in a 1849 Colt .31 caliber pocket revolver …
Good to know.
Nice unload. I used to do that but i generally keep it loaded on cruiser ready.
I'm that shotgun guy, and I have been for many years. Always my first choice. I handload 12 and 16 Gauge Buckshot ammunition. I carry cut down 12 and 16 Gauge doubles as street guns that I load the ammunition for! Because Ricardo Tubbs. 😛 And it's fun. Definitely nobody expects to see you come up with one of those. Though they are heavy... Excellent general shotgun video. Almost everyone completely ignores training with this weapon, except for the occasional weirdo like me who's devoted to it. It has it's limitations. Heavy recoil, heavy bulky fragile ammunition, low capacity, short effective range, especially with barrels under 9", and slow reloading. But exceptionally devastating within range, and highly versatile. Though more for utility hunting than fighting. But you can make it do most of what you would generally need a gun for. 🦃
Really enjoyed practicing with my 870 that I think the magpul stock and fore end are next on the list.
I run mini-shells using 4 buck, love the ammo, super fun to train with
2 Mossbergs 12 G. One older pump all Black(590?) . (2) semi automatic 12G Calif legal short barrel. Stored for 3 years while relocating. Great tune up vid. I was trained on M14 only. In Los Angeles suburb my Mossberg or Tomahawk are my home defense choices. Thank you.
Nice 870. I got mine just prior to the bankruptcy when their QC was questionable. I didn't know that at the time and got it on pure name recognition. I had occasional failure to extract issues. It'd stovepipe from time to time. I fixed that issue by replacing the cheap MIM extractor with a machined replacement from Volquartsen. I also swapped the plastic follower with a high viz aluminum replacement. Failure to extract issues fixed. I also went with the Magpul furniture, barrel clamp and sling. Great products from them. I love the ergonomics of their shotgun stock in particular. Great hybrid of a pistol grip and traditional stock IMO. The finish is notorious for allowing rust so I had that redone with Cerakote. Now that Remington is back (under the name RemArms) I do hope the QC issues have been resolved. Remington is an American icon and I'd hate to see it go away permanently.
As for the Mossberg vs Remington debate that sometimes comes up, I like both so I own both. I also got a 18.5" Mossberg 590A1. Got it setup pretty much the same as my 970 with the Magpul products plus a Surefire mini scout light (500 Lumens) as it's my go to. I'm blind in my right eye so I have to shoot left handed and the controls on the Mossberg are much more ambi/lefty friendly.
In regards to gimmick shells, I got some of those Winchester Defender "defense" loads that is a slug with three 00Buck. Yeah, I'd say they're a gimmick too but when checking the pattern, they spread pretty nice in my 590A1. At 10 or so yards, the slug hit center mass with the three 00Buck hitting all around it. But still, I think you're better off with either 00Buck or #4Buck. I too have watched lots of Paul Harrel vids and have learned a lot from him. Sadly, he has cancer and his brother is taking over the channel. It'll be a truly sad day when we lose him. I and likely millions of other gun owners who go to "gun tube" for pointers and advice have learned so much from him.
🦃 the one point sling makes sense. Is it as critical when your shotgun is magazine fed?
Great job, Trench. Keep it up. Ill be joining your patreon group next payday.
🦃😥I love my shotguns, but would appreciate you also putting up an AK 101 video. I started with a Mossberg 500, but now have a 590S, as well as a Benelli M4. Keep up the good work Trench!
Trynna larp with the fam in the forest 🌳
🥩 Dinner was some mountain dew and a frozen pizza after spending half the day driving. Great stuff Trench!
🦃 I’d like to see more manual of arms videos. Ranging from common to uncommon to rare if you’ve got them.
🥩 Basically, you utilize the shotgun like a smoothbore musket, especially with slugs.
Mossberg 590A1 With ghost ring sights. And Streamlight forward grip.
For the 870 you can put the bolt half way and can push the lifter up out of the way and take the remaining shells out of the tube.
I think you're going to need a modified or full choke for 40 or 50 yard shots
Most def
Brand/load of ammo also really influences pattern. From the same gun and barrel, at the same distance, you can get vastly different pattern sizes with different brands of ammo, even if they're all 9-pellet, 00 Buck. I suggest going to the range with at least 2-3 brands of buckshot when you pattern.
The shotgun I've used the most is the 870, most of that in 3-Gun competition. I eventually got a Stoeger M3000 which was a turd of a gun, and now I have a Benelli M2. My local 3-Gun clubs now have a 2-Gun division (pistol & rifle only) and that's my preferred division, so I rarely shoot shotguns anymore.
Some solid stuff for beginners. Only thing I think is important to add is snap caps for practicing reloads. For all the lazy trainers out there, with a full set of snap caps, there's no excuse not to practice dry fire and reloading. Gets you used to cycling the gun, the weight of the gun, and obviously effective reloading without NDing the neighbors cat.
Its crazy that this guy has been in the army for eleven years. He looks like he's in his early twenties. If he went in at 18, he'd be 29-30. I guess I'm just old. Anyone under 40 looks like a kid to me anymore.😅
Though if I ever see pictures from when I was a kid, people in their late twenties and early thirties *did* actually look older back in the eighties.
I must say, his ability to communicate ideas and speak are impressive to me. Practice I guess. I'm 50 and I'm terrible at explaining things and speaking to a group.
590a1 is my truck gun luv it
Hey Trench I would love to see the AK version of this class
Minecraft and mom are his key words. Love the running gag😂
Yeah, my rail came off mu shotgun. 22:04 I got the Turkey 🦃 though!
At 25 yards mine patterned in the middle between Zach and Jeff with the obligatory flyer half the time. I have the classic 870. I’m 32 now but started hunting with it at 12 and it’s so second nature to me for controls, loading etc that I almost feel like if it switched to anything else I might be less effective idk
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Heh Heh.... you said 'I'm putting out today" Heh heh heh
Turkey comment….plump butterball. Great vid, reminded me of some stuff I have neglected. The esstac cards are wonderful and are a must in my opinion. I’m left handed and my two point sling gets in the way pretty badly. I will get a single point asap. Great video very informative. Rifles are awesome but for up close the shotgun is supreme. Either the 870 or the mossberg 590A1 (I have the 20 inch bead sight) are the best bang for your buck deals in the firearms world. The benelli is high as giraffe balls but worth every penny.
I know guys waking around with buckshot in them
I don’t know anyone who’s taken a slug and lived to b!tch about it
Mossberg 500 is bae
Tonight is lamb breast with rice and cabbage! 🥩
🦃I would love to see the handgun version of this class.
If shtf it best to have shotgunners in pairs with full shell belts or bandolieers they can be effective behind cover for suppression fire 1 shooting from cover the other picking shells off of the one shooting to reload when the 1st shooter is out they switch.
Hey good video man
The term “cruiser mode” may have come from the Dallas PD shot gun squads. They ran like that for a while but eventually changed it up.
Cylinder bore = No choke
Thanks for the Minecraft tips, brother.
Great channel man, glad I came across it. You should definitely do the AK video, I'm sure a lot of guys have them and would love your insight.
ak 101 thanks trench
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I'd love to see the ak and pistol 101 class.
For dinner, I'm having a chicken sub.
My mavrick 88 load out i have 78 rounds.
8 in the gun. 5 on the side 5 on the butt stock and 60rounds in a fanny pack. Its super fast to load from the pack. I recomend people try it.
🦃 hunting…gobble, gobble.
Where is the LPVOs suck video? A bunch of us are probably running them and ain’t nobody running a shotgun
Eating some chicken adobo and rice. Also this guide is very helpful im trying to get a 870 for home defense in sometime this year.
Dude this was THE best basic shotgun video I've seen. Well done!
Interesting what you think about the single point sling. About 6 months ago I decided to get a single point sling for my 870 cause I thought it would be easiest for indoor use
I started with single points but after realizing that in any realistic situation, you are holding it. A two point makes it so much nicer. If I was at a match, then sure single point, but 90% of time I need the extra control/retention. I started hunting deer with a 20” 500 and magpul ms1 sling and it was so easy to carry and have ready to shoulder while pushing thickets
@@KingNothing86 for walking around outside then yeah 2 point is better. Inside a house is where a single point shines. The only reason I did it was because I got paranoid about my good expensive serious guns (which have 2 point slings) cause if you use a gun in Minecraft, even if you’re proven innocent, you’ll likely never get that gun back so I made my 870 one of my HD guns that I don’t care about losing as much. Can always get another 870 but can’t always get the other things I have
Looking swole and great vid bro
Load from the gun last. Where are you keeping your primary go to shells? Loose in a dump pouch on your belt ?
I typically have load oriented so that the first 2 rounds are #4 power shock because i have critter problems and the rest behind is 00 buck
Love your shit man definitely have a lot of good info and experience. I run mine more as a breacher/second long gun so its a bit different then everything designed shotgun only but still brings me a lot of ideas and information that helps me train 🤙
Here we go!
🦃 would love to see the Ak version of this class.
S&B 00 buck rocks for cheap ammo. Same with their 1 oz slugs.
I would argue if someone is gonna run a very small pcc a single point sling is also ok to use. But I wouldn’t recommend a pcc so I guess I agree with your statement that single points are only good for shotguns
I see the DS coming out in the video.
Transition to secondary drill was hot 🦃
🥩 Hamburgers. Great information.
And if you think you need to breach doors with a scatter gat…learn and train how to do it correctly. You will fuck yourselve, or teammates up if you don’t know what you’re doing 🤙🏴🦍
I use a fanny pack that I can use as a cross body for extra 00 Buck
🥩🥩🥩 ak video next trench! You got me looking at rem 870s now.
Shotguns are a lot like snub nose revolvers. They’re expert guns that require a lot of training to run correctly. And they only fill a very small role in my defensive plan. 99% of the time, I’m grabbing my suppressed 11.5” in any sort of HD situation.
🥩I rock a Buckmaster PB12 shotgun.
Hey Trench, I would love to see the Handgun 101 and the AK 101 Video, probably pork and rice with vegetables, made at home of course, I have no idea how to leave a steak emoji.
I use a dump pouch for my shells too! Small world
I want to be the 1st kid on my block to get a confirmed kill with a Dragons Breath round.
Gobble this.
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Yeah but you’ll go to jail and have all your guns taken away
🦃 Any thoughts on flechette rounds as a viable home defense shotgun round in Minecraft? 🦃
K.I.S.S.
I’ve seen tests with flechettes they don’t really fly straight and not a lot of penetration
Did you say that you usually run a light on the shotgun? But not on your rifle?
Is the shotgun daylight only? Optimal shotgun barrel length?
Trench have you watched “Lost Battalion ”?🦃
While eating 🥩