The author of the book also wrote an autobiographical book about her experience of being raped, so maybe The Lovely Bones was a way for her to deal with that trauma? That would explain how messed up the book is, and the unsatisfying ending, because reality sometimes just does not go the way you want it to.
@@romanov3937 that's kinda feminst literature in a nutshell. Everyone gets raped in those books! WTF? I guess part of the feminist movement victory is being able to talk of sexual violence because you can't fix a problem without a discussion over it. I guess?
@@laurocoman I will be honest i never read "Feminist Literature" can you please give me other exemples of Feminist Book? please i am really curious right now.
@@romanov3937 Anything from Toni Morrison and McEwan feature sexual violence, to a degree so does The Bell Jar. Those are all feminist literature. A Handmaid's Tale features sexual violence and Matgaret Atwood, the author, literally wrote a book called "Rape Fantasies"
@Toori Baba Not really, most people I know do. I have to admit that has made my ego very inflated, but I'm working on it. Additionally, that has nothing to do with it though, since being hot and fit doesn't guarantee wealth nor fame :)
11:16 "she just leaves" "did you read the book? no you di-" "I did!" "oh ok" I don't know what she was trying to do there but it sounded like she was about to say something awfully rude.
The killer's death was hilarious. Killed by an icicle to the shoulder that made him fall over a ledge to his death. Wow. And he wasn't even caught. No justice. Just a contrived slipping accident.
Watching those interviews is always so AWKWARD! It’s like they have NO idea what the movie is about! Like they just show up to set, film some crap, and go home. They’re not attached at all!
JKBGamer Sorry, when did that ever happen? We're talking about an industry that spent the last 6 or 7 decades literallt churning out money. And of course most of this people have passion for _the craft_ of what they do - you don't get to this kind of level without passion and a huge committment to what you do. However, when you live in a world where a movie can make 2 bilions dollars (or the equivalent, in the '80s, '70s, '60s and so on) in box office revenues _alone_, you can forget the idea the people do things _only_ because they're passionate about it.
JKBGamer: you blabbered some shit about how it was "their passion" but "now it's entirely for the money". My answer was that it still _is_ about passion AND it has always been for the money. Do you have comprehension difficulties?
I've always wonder why if both mother and father have black hair and brown eyes....Suzie, her sister and her brother, have blonde hair and blue/green eyes. But knowing that the father was originally Ryan Gosling, it makes more sense to me.
+Niall Reid also being blonde and blue/green eyes....is not a dominant gene....if most of the family has darker hair and eyes, the probability that not only 1 but 3 sons of the same generation have a recessive fenotype it's not very high XD
I was 14 when I saw the movie/read the book...it was an awkwardly uncomfortable experience and I still try to repress it along with Passion of the Christ.
@@eatatjoes6751 My catholic grandma took all of us kids to see a film and we were so excited. "Oh boy, we're going to the theatre!". It was Passion of the Christ. I love grandma, but I'm still traumatised.
Same! I saw this when I was like 7 and remember running out of the room crying, and I've been afraid to watch anything related to the movie since, but it doesn't even look scary
I read the book recently (very good and surprisingly cinematic) and he'd be perfect for the part (very different from the barebones Mark Wahlberg performance) and I even imagined him, as how he described himself, and it was great! I love Peter Jackson but that was a terrible call.
@@stpbasss3773 What, just because he has alot of money doesn't mean he can't go through hardships? Just because you're a millionaire doesn't mean you can't go through hardships, feel emotionally negative or stressed about something. Hell, look at Brenden Fraser
My personal favourite scene; "My grandma said that because I saved my brother, I would live a long and happy life" "She was wrong." *Seinfeld theme plays*
john smith he didn’t read it. Come on! Rachel Weisz probably read it thinking Spielberg would do something good and turned sour when she was written out and he focused on purgatory fashionista vignettes
Did anyone else find that Rachel Weisz clip super uncomfortable? She seems really angry and defensive at the interviewer for possibly implying lazy writing who looks terrified and then she fails to explain anything competently.
Notice her answer to the question. She repeats her answer and "heaven" is mentioned 3 times. Kind of feel bad for her because it's really not her fault, but the writer's.
nope!, it gives no closure to the story, at all, it can be done right tho, as some form of irony, but in this case the scene is treated so seriously an in such a triumphant way that is annoying as fuck
I don't know. There are many crimes like this that remain unsolved. There isn't always a big triumphant moment where the cops catch the bad guy. I'd like to think that somehow their deeds catch up to them in some way, though I know it's unrealistic.
Daniel Biggins I agree with you. I was just thinking that maybe the writer wanted to make a more subtle point. There are many killers that are never caught and I always wonder about that, if their deeds ever catch up to them in some other way.
thats how it ended? the guy just gets away with it and a few years later slips and falls of a cliff? did M night shamalamadingdong secretly direct this and just use Peter Jacksons name to sell it?
If anyone is interested, I had to read this book for my Junior Paper (ok I chose it over other stuff for a number of reasons) and the book is pretty bad, too. Susie keeps getting random ghost powers all the time and the movie only has blatant reincorporation because the author uses blatant reincorporation. Peter made a stinker, but the book didn't smell that great in the first place.
Can we please talk about the fact that when Suzie finally gets a chance to go back to the real world, she doesn't return to her family to tell them what happened and give them comfort, or even go to her friends, but instead decides to return just so that she can posess that goth chick to have sex with the guy she had a crush on. You know, ignoring the fact that maybe the girl she posessed didn't want to have sex with him? God, why were all the characters in this book unbearable?
***** God, and the fact that he was totally cool with it? "Oh, yeah, my girlfriend is gone and might never come back and I've now recognized you as the girl who was probably murdered. I've not matured as a person since then, though, so let's fuck in this shack before my bitch gets back lol" At least Cameron made it a kiss. I have some respect for the author, given the circumstances that inspired her to write the book, but goddamn can Alice Sebold not write characters well. She should give conferences or something if she wants to raise awareness on how bad under-reported rape is and how much it affects people. Her efforts to spread that awareness through a book obviously worked out well for her, but it is a hard fuckin' read.
***** Yeah, The Lovely Bones is pretty fucked up. The author got raped about a decade before it was published, and I think that it gave her some unconventional ideas about love and sex, to say the least.
Do you know when you look up your mouth opens automatically so theoretically if you say throw a ball into a tree you need to consciously keep your mouth closed so Twigs won't fall in otherwise you might get deep-throated by Nature
Why does the boy she has a crush on look 25?! Is it really THAT difficult to cast actual young people? Especially for characters with very few lines. For the love of god please stop casting 30 year olds to play high school students?!
I'm gonna play the devil's advocate here but considering the fact that It's difficult to find a teenager who can act and not Exploit the shit out of the fact that they're hard to come by, maybe they'd thought it was better to settle for cheaper adult actors and actresses. Tbh between a 25 years old playing 19 or Disney XD, i'll take the bullet and calls for the former.
Idk. Maybe they just remembered it wrong. Like Peter told Ryan to loose weight and Ryan turned down the role because he didn’t feel like he could feel right in the role unless he had the extra weight that he had prepared with. So he told Peter he just didn’t feel like he was right for the role and didn’t fit what Peter wanted, and maybe he threw in an added opinion about being too young. So Peter just assumed it was because of the age thing and didn’t realize the weight had that much to do with it
A little girl who never gets a proper burial, whose rapist and murderer doesn't get his comeuppance until *seven years later*. This movie is anything but a happy escape; the whimisical scenes of her frolicking among CGI meadows did fuck all to alleviate the utter dissatisfaction and misery I felt at the end of this film.
'' Positive ''. What? What is positive about a story revolving around a girl getting raped and murdered? What's this whole thing about '' the movie has to be positive '' according to Jackson? Not every movie has to be this positive sugarcoated story for kids.
+Kolsyrad Mcluvin he meant positive experience. like when you go to movies, even if the movie is sad, like a drama, it's still a positive experience, because you like dramas.
He means the fact that there are very morbid things that happen in the book that Jackson avoids because he wants it to be sad but not something that actually makes you feel. Like in the book they find pieces of her body but in the movie it's in a safe so it's like "She's dead but don't worry, we won't show you gross stuff, we know you can't handle that." It's positive because it shows death as something that's not that bad. Think about it, eventhough this girl is raped and killed she goes to utopia so its okay.
2 years late to this comment but it's important, okay, but did they hate me before they died and still do, or did they not hate me before they died and just come to hate me after haunting my room and watching me smoke crack and watch anime for a few weeks ???
Wait... that icicle that hit his shoulder seriously killed him?... I thought it'd hit his head or something, but no, just his shoulder. It didn't even hit from the sharp end.. And how does the other girl not hear that shit immediately? Seriously, the way he fell though looked like GTA V
Yeahh I haven't seen the film but from what Adam showed I agree with CrudeCoronet. The icicle hit his shoulder, which distracted his attention, caused him to lose his footing and fall. It's not _many_ stupid-rungs above 'the icicle hit his shoulder and magically killed him,' but still..
S Parker ...you had to point out the icicle?! But seriously, I was like 14 (the target audience for this piece of crap) and had to watch this in English class. It was...not good. It was awkward, especially for someone who hadn't had her first kiss let alone all that happen and the ending reeked of Unfortunate Implications.
So that nobody would ever think to look there. 'Why would someone have a cellar in the middle of a huge, empty field?' indeed. Only little girls would be fooled by it, which is precisely what he wanted I think.
Possibly Dell Honne "cool club room" Bruh I would just go to my uncle's house. Not too far away and pretty sure he's not a rapist................maybe.
Got to love how the actress (who played the mom) thought she was going to make the reporter look like a fool by asking him if he read the book (and answering for him by saying 'no - you didn't'); only to make herself look like an idiot when the reporter responded with 'Yeah - I did'. Seeing her squirm as she tried to think of a good answer to his very valid question (and try to spin things in a pitiful attempt to hide the fact that she herself never read the book) was hilarious!
@@yourmum69_420 nah the way she did squirm during the response, and preempting his answer that he hasn't read the book but then getting cut off that he had. She was a deer in the headlights and she got plowed.
The clips of the interviews are so telling of how much of a mess this is. The actress for the mother is saying that the plot hole of why her character leaves for no reason is there because Jackson was focused on other parts of the film..... You don't get to excuse loose threads in the final product like that. If it really was so insignificant that you didn't care to take care of that issue, why is it even in the film to begin with?
For her not to know is kinda embarassing. Just makes it seem like she was going through the motions. Even if the reasons not spelled out in the film, she should know her character. But as Ryan Gosling says PJ didn't have time to work with the actors on their characters, so I guess she didn't bother. Got caught out here though! No cover story, so inadvertenly blurts out the truth, and shows up PJ as well.
OK, the fact that it was Ryan Gosling who was initially cast for the role kind of explains why the three fair-haired blue/grey-eyed kids look nothing like their dark-haired dark-eyed parents and grandma. Apparently they were supposed to take after their dad.
Agree with most of this, but I do think a lot of it makes sense from the perspective of a very innocent, naive 14(?) year old girl? The fact that things are kind of artsy and dream-like, or the fact that even though she was dead, she was still focused on not getting to kiss that guy. It made sense to me, idk. (also she was in purgatory/limbo, not heaven. She went to 'heaven' at the end of the film.)
Yeah, that's the one thing that bothers me about this review. You're blaming a 14-year-old character for not being rational and logical in solving her murder.
@@ChatMort69420 I mean... There's being logical and then there's seeing your family cry over not knowing what happened to you for years and still deciding, in the moment when you could solve it all, to kiss that one guy you had a crush on all those years ago.
Anyone else feel like Marky Mark kinda Happening-ed this movie? I mean they casted him last minute so he probably didn't care too much or develop any character
I love this movie for the most pointless reason They filmed the school scenes in my old middle school Look at those puke green lockers. Perfect. Still as ugly as ever.
Orochimaru Hebi In the book it makes a lot more sense because she spends so much time watching the lives of her loved ones through the misery they endure over her murder, how it breaks the relationship between her parents and at the time in the book, it’s been like 8-10 yrs or something and she doesn’t want to disturb the life of her loved ones by bringing back these horrible memories. She just want them to move on. You could also interpret it as her dying young and not maturing enough, being perpetually a very young teen who got her life stolen from her and it’s warping her priorities? She has this one last selfish wish to experience love with her crush. Would you blame a young girl who got raped and murdered for having selfish desires? Idk, it’s not as surface level but the movie is garbage at illustrating it. What I know though is it was a lot more pensive and well executed in the book than on screen.
I remember watching this with my sister and laughed at how terrible it was but my sister was like "SHUT UP CHRIS UR BOY MIND WON'T UNDERSTAND THE FEELINGS"
Matt B Well to be fair, the film rushes the fuck out of the ending as opposed to the book. In the book there's a few lines of dialogue exchanged while you know what is about to happen as opposed to just how abrupt it happens in the film.
In Stanley’s defense appearance-wise, he found the role so disturbing that he wanted to look as different from his real self as possible... I still agree with you, though.
Okay, can we talk about how the guy's body just kind of telelports into a slightly different position as that puff of snow (really badly) puffs over him at 17:07? His body rolled really slow off that rock, and not only did the snow coming down stop already before a surge of more snow comes over him somehow, but it literally looks like somebody just sweeps a blanket over him. And not only that, but his right arm magically teleports behind his head at a seemingly impossible angle none the less. And not ONLY that, but his left arm is suddenly sticking straight up and his left leg goes WAY up higher than it was literally just a second ago.
Jackson's effects are mostly great, but seemingly all of his movies have at least one or two instances of *terrible* looking effects, like the pedo-rapists death-fall. Damn that shit looks bad.
I feel like the ony critic that should be taken out is the whole "How can she think if she's a ghost?" because this point isn't brought up in other movies he reviews with ghosts. But also the movie is establishing that souls have emotions and stuff in the rules of their world.So it feels like it weakens his argument. Other than that it's fine.
This movie doesn't know what it wants to be... Its a silly family picture, with lots of comedy and colorful characters about a girl getting raped and killed... Wait what ? What do you want from me, movie ? Pick a style and stick to it !
It's actually a great movie. Pick a style and stick to it is not a very creative attitude at all. I think the reason why a lot of people don't like it is because most people live with a conditioned mind and most people in the west are only familiar with movies with genres (which is unrealistic because real life is not based on a genre). In Asia and especially in India we're accustomed to movies like this.
"which is unrealistic because real life is not based on a genre" Exactly. That's why we go to see movies, they are not like real life! If I wanted unestructured stories with no consistent tone and an accurate portrayal of society, I would go to literally any other place except the theatre.
@@Yoseqlo1 That is not why people go to see movies, that's just your opinion. There are people who can appreciate movies which are not aimed at providing basic entertainment to the audiences like romance, comedy, action etc.. And if you don't believe there are people who enjoy movies with no consistent tone just take me as an example. I like it! And I'm people. I do not watch movies to escape reality(at least not always). Thus I have no problems with movies which closely resemble real life.
it fucked me off so much that she could interact with people/possess their bodies and she did that to kiss the boy rather than give her family closure on where her body had been dumped?
I feel it’s an unfair criticism to question the realism of ghosts. Movies are allowed to depict fictional, unreal concepts. If we couldn’t depict the afterlife because it wasn’t realistic, we couldn’t have magic or monsters or anything.
Where does he question the realism of ghosts? He questions the consistency of the ghosts. You can have whatever kind of fantastical elements you want, but if there's no consistent rules to them then it's just lazy writing.
Yeah it made no sense. “What??? Supernatural events don’t make sense scientifically??” I was like why do you think we call them SUPERnatural? By definition that means they don’t fit with our scientific understanding of nature, so I don’t know why that would be surprising for him.
I think they should have adults acting as younger people because it would be messed up to show an actual child in a lot of scenes that are in movies, but they could at least use actors who look young and not like 30
+Asdayasman err he didn't comment on the acting... even when that horrible asian actress should've been called out he didn't even do that. What were you quoting?
+Saggen Westberg You can, but you have to audition 7000 children or some shit. I don't remember which director it was that did it, but YMS made a video about it.
+Asdayasman "This unknown actor sucks" "This well-known actor gets too many roles" You can't have both? The goal is to find good actors regardless of age.
And when she starts explaining her thoughts it's clear that she has no fucking idea and is just trying to awkwardly dodging the question with a strawman
I love how a video posted 8 years ago still has recent discussions going on in the comment section. I’m obviously not the only one going back to re-watch old YMS videos.
@redloiyu654jay they gave him pedostache and serial killer glasses, so you know he's the bad guy. I guess they decided not to have a tattoo saying "BAD GUY OF THE MOVIE" on his forehead
In fairness, if this movie took place in the 70's, the "pedo murderer" look hadnt been established yet. That look was still normal and in the process of being appropriated by pedo murderers, so you can't really blame the girl for not being suspicious right away.
okay even with the flaws and shit I'd probably still cry at the heaven part like at the end part I cant really remember, but I always bawled my eyes out
I agree that the movie could have been done a lot better. However there are some threads of themes that really played through well. The most significant are the shots when they're in his clubhouse. The feeling of dread by being confined and how well the actors play their parts is spot on. Some sub points were a little less well done but still within character. The husband not letting it go, the wife breaking down, and the sister acting on behalf of justice. These are things that real people would plausibly do. Also, the killer not only holding onto something to relive the moment, but also acting skiddish when people are starting to suspect him, are things someone who is guilty does.
Did anyone else notice that at 9:25 Peter Jackson pretty much implied the book is boring? "We have a responsibility to fans to preserve the tone of the book but we also have a responsibility to the people coming to see the movie to make sure it's entertaining." That implies that you had to change the tone to make it interesting, meaning you thought the source material was boring? The fuck. The book was way better than this.
Yep, he had the same attitude about LOTR (and clearly the Hobbit), why choose to adapt something if all you are going to do is ruin it with arrogant fiddling? He really seems to think he can improve on things, when actually it is also clear he is not a good story teller (I read an interesting opinion on his treatment of Moria, he started letting the viewer know that Balin and co had ended badly, dwarf skulls on the stairs etc. so no build up of dread, Tolkien was simply better at basic story telling, as well as in other aspects).
He may of possibly meant that since it's two completely different forms of media, that one way of engaging a reader in it's story, isn't necessarily as effective as when it comes to watching a movie that's anywhere between 90 minutes to a full two hours.
Yes, sure, but that seems to be his standard excuse for tinkering with, and I would say, degrading original material. I really get the feeling that he thinks he can do better than the original creators, I don't think he can.
Christopher Steer There's a Rollingstone article in which Peter Jackass says that the Hobbit deals with Tolkiens experiences in the War but if he read any Preface from any of Tolkiens books he would have seen Tolkien saying nothing about any of his books having to do with the wars. And the need to change Tolkiens stories seems Ridiculous because Tolkien was a literary genius. Yeah Sorry I like Lord of The Rings a lot.
Even though I had to read the book for college (and I hate reading anything when it's mandatory) I still thought it was amazing! Much more real-feeling than the movie, and has whole subplots that the movie leaves out. My class watched the film after we'd read the book and we all thought it was a terrible adaptation of a great book lol :)
Some of the stuff in this movie is in the book like pretty much all of the recurring things and grandma talking about getting it on with older fellas. I feel like the movie was trying so hard to cram in every single thing that makes this book good into the 2 hour time slot instead of adapting it. It really doesn’t translate well in this movie. They really phoned in the whole Susie taking pictures and foreshadowing and stuff way too much. They should’ve spent time actually developing Ruth’s character along with others. But who cares about plot when Susie is galavanting in purgatory
Actually, there's a much simpler explanation why there was no rape and murder: Saoirse Ronan's parents told Jackson she'll be in the movie if they skip that particular scene because she was still a minor back then.
Reminds me of Natalie Portman’s parents telling the director of “Leon the Professional” to skip, delete and avoid all adult-child love/s*x/shower scenes if he really wanted her in the film because she was a child actor. Similar concept.
it would be better if the dead girl could whisper to her dad that sometimes gets through so he puts it together then figures it out leading to a struggle with the killer as ghost girl watching it happen, screaming and crying unable to do anything then the dad kinda hearing it and switching it up beating the pedo killer and calling the cops and end it with her being buried and finally passing on with tears in her eyes and a smile. it would be so much better.
Because that is trully realistic. I hear my dead grandmother every day here in my home. I also hear my friend who got killed on a hit and run every now and then, but he refuses to tell me what exactly happened that night but yeah let's do your way
@@victorrocha5755 why are you so obsessed with realism in this movie? you've mentioned it 3 times now. this is not meant to be a documentary. it's also not supposed to be a super realistic take on death and pedophiles or whatever. if it was, we wouldn't get any of the purgatory scenes. Susie wouldn't be able possess that girl just because she wanted a kiss. i could go on and on, but why do people treat this movie like it's supposed to be hyper realistic?
I don't have a problem with movies that have a concept of an afterlife, and I'm not sure why you do. If you're not religious, you can view it a a fantasy concept. Complaining about it is sort of like complaining that there are ghosts in ghost busters THAT SAID A fantasy magical heaven purgatory does not gel well with a serial killer story ESPECIALLY when it is a book adaptation and you completely made it up and it has nothing to do with the book.
He was more upset about the fact that they used the Afterlife as an excuse to meander and do stupid shit rather than use it to advance the plot. He's well aware that these concepts work and can be done/executed well. Maybe should've been paying a bit more attention there cheif. Also, you realize how old this review is right? It's like a year old or something and I somehow remember what he was complaining about. Amazing what paying attention can do for you. Correction: It is six years old.
@@thegoodreview7854 when @Shady Bacon claimed that Adum was complaining about the concept of an afterlife, i think what he meant was this very statement: 6:54 - 7:01 i think what he also said about Adum's claims on the afterlife were on the very CONCEPT of it and not how it affected the plot and made this movie boring as hell and dumb too because it SURE AS HELL did. but yeah i agree with you that adum has knowledge on different concepts and such but what he said about the chemicals and the relations to real life and shit is what @Shady Bacon was referring to. i agree with what Enigma said partly because it is true that adum was more annoyed with the lack of consistency and its inclusion rather than just the idea of an afterlife but adum still bitched on for some time about not believing in and afterlife and so and so. i also think you sounded kinda pretentious with the "pay a bit more attention CHIEF" part. but yeah thats just what i think.
I'd actually like to see a movie where someone is hallucinating the ghost of some loved one who was murdered giving them all these asinine 'clues' to the real murderer but the police detective is forced to tell them that it's all bullshit and wouldn't be the kind of thing to hold up in court in a post-Salem Witch Trial world. They actually try to use bullshit like 'my dog barked at him, dogs can sense teh EV1L!!" Have the bad guy get away with it because the victim's family believes in WOO over actual forensic evidence.
+Juxtavarious they just signed Patrick Swayze for that exact movie... stay tuned! SPOILER ALERT: at the very end he turns to the camera, breaking the fourth wall, to tell the audience that this is all just straight out bullshit, some dumb phantasy for people who can't deal with reality! - then he vanishes, whispering "Epicurus was right" ...
The worst part of the movie is how the family realizes that he’s the killer but they have no evidence to make them think that he would be. It’s very infuriating.
The one thing I really enjoyed about the movie was Saoirse Riordan performance. That girl is an amazing actress and despite all the flaws of the movie I couldn't help but tear up almost every time she was on screen. I can explain some of the perplexity that the youtuber had: some rapist keep mementos of their victim as trophies, and seeing joural articles about their "opera" enhance their ego. I'm too lazy to write more XD
I have a different point of view for this movie. She's not trapped at the purgatory because her case wasn't solved, but because nor her or her father have accepted her death, hence the persuasion thing at the beginning. It is pretty clear on the movie (and I honestly don't I understand how you guys could've missed) that her actions at the purgatory and her father's actions on earth are very similar, leading to thinking that this is not a story about revenge, but acceptance. And oh my god, the mother doesn't leave for no reason, she leaves because she couldn't take her husband's obsession about finding his daughter's killer. Don't you guys know what happens with a family when a kid dies, especially in such horribles circumstances like this one? Also, I also found cliché that they've used the old pedo style for the murderer, but you have to take account the time that the movie is passing, which I believe it was the 70's. Not only that choice of glasses and clothes were (goes on)
... trending at the time, but not a lot of cautions on strangers were being advertised (she says something about how missing girls on milk cardboards weren't as comum). I personally don't believe in a heaven, hell or purgatory, but I also don't believe that the movie has anything to do with religion. It's about acceptance (she needed to realize that, even though her innocence and experiences were taken away, she needed to let them go; and the father needed to realize that life goes on). So goes that the movie finishes with the mother finally entering Susie's room.
+Matthewdoesgaming In the book the mother basically has a complete nervous breakdown after the girl's death, cheats on her husband and leaves him to be with the new dude because she can't cope with her daughter's death. But that would ruin the feelgood movie vibes. instead of, y'know. Portraying just how badly something so horrible and distressing can completely ruin a family.
Fun fact: the last scene where he falls off the cliff was supposed to just end with him falling and you wouldn't see him tumble down. It was supposed to have the audience decide whether he'd live or not. But test audiences weren't satisfied so they shot him tumbling down the cliff as a last minute re-shoot.
"But now hate was all that I had." So what was all that hippie dancing bullshit about? Exactly what part of those beautiful landscapes, friendship with the Asian girl, magical butterfly stuff, giant boats in bottles and fun times was I supposed to interpret as "hate"?
"And then I was fat and unemployed" -Ryan Goseling
lol
*snaps fingers*
Just like that.
And he finally got his mojo back
Mojoforthewin
that comment feels different now
"Fat and unemployed" story of my life
Padruig9 funny enough, Peter Jackson’s talent disappeared when he was no longer fat
Producer: Are you sure this scene is ok? We’ve strayed pretty far from the book...
Director: What book?
What every director of book adaptations say.
@@VVVU2x The Shawshank Redemption was pretty accurate, but that's one of the few good book to film I can think of
Stanley Kubrick: Hold my Clockwork Orange.
"Reading is a thing?!"
@@TheGoldDragon100 first harry potter was pretty accurate
Don't you love binge watching YMS's from 7 years ago
Yes omg
I do this too often
Mama mia, here we go again
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The author of the book also wrote an autobiographical book about her experience of being raped, so maybe The Lovely Bones was a way for her to deal with that trauma? That would explain how messed up the book is, and the unsatisfying ending, because reality sometimes just does not go the way you want it to.
Ooof! now i feel bad for making fun of her fucked up book, i mean, it's absolutely awful that she was raped, but i still think the book is bad.
@@romanov3937 that's kinda feminst literature in a nutshell. Everyone gets raped in those books! WTF? I guess part of the feminist movement victory is being able to talk of sexual violence because you can't fix a problem without a discussion over it. I guess?
@@laurocoman I will be honest i never read "Feminist Literature" can you please give me other exemples of Feminist Book? please i am really curious right now.
@@romanov3937 Anything from Toni Morrison and McEwan feature sexual violence, to a degree so does The Bell Jar. Those are all feminist literature. A Handmaid's Tale features sexual violence and Matgaret Atwood, the author, literally wrote a book called "Rape Fantasies"
@@laurocoman Dang, feminist usually complain about women being objectified in fiction but they do the same thing.
"Then I was fat and unemployed"
Never have I related to someone more than now.
Fuck this hit me hard.
Except it’s Ryan Gosling, so he’s still hot and rich and famous and can easily lose the weight and get another gig.
@@annoyingkid48 I'm hot and fit but I'm not rich nor famous :(
@Toori Baba Not really, most people I know do. I have to admit that has made my ego very inflated, but I'm working on it. Additionally, that has nothing to do with it though, since being hot and fit doesn't guarantee wealth nor fame :)
Nick Romadez loosing weight doesn’t change depending on how much money you have.
11:16
"she just leaves"
"did you read the book? no you di-"
"I did!"
"oh ok"
I don't know what she was trying to do there but it sounded like she was about to say something awfully rude.
Rude or not, she probably would have been right.
+Billy Barnett how?
s21411 He probably didn't read it, he probably just skimmed through the damn thing like M. Night did with the Avatar series.
+Billy Barnett why assume this?
Stephone the jerk Cause he changed it, and he doesn't know why she left. Did you not hear what happened? It was explained in the review.
The killer's death was hilarious. Killed by an icicle to the shoulder that made him fall over a ledge to his death. Wow.
And he wasn't even caught. No justice. Just a contrived slipping accident.
A little justice might have been served if instead of getting the icicle in the shoulder, it would had sticked into his ass!
Why didn’t they just have it go through his head
Vaiman tobe it was only a little satisfying... I wish the parents had closure though
That's actually what happened in the book, though.
hey. life be like that tho
Watching those interviews is always so AWKWARD! It’s like they have NO idea what the movie is about! Like they just show up to set, film some crap, and go home. They’re not attached at all!
It's a job, and they're people. Never met someone who is entirely 100% invested in their job 24/7.
999SickBoy666 the point is that people used to become actors/directors because it’s their passion, now it’s entirely for the money
JKBGamer Sorry, when did that ever happen? We're talking about an industry that spent the last 6 or 7 decades literallt churning out money. And of course most of this people have passion for _the craft_ of what they do - you don't get to this kind of level without passion and a huge committment to what you do. However, when you live in a world where a movie can make 2 bilions dollars (or the equivalent, in the '80s, '70s, '60s and so on) in box office revenues _alone_, you can forget the idea the people do things _only_ because they're passionate about it.
999SickBoy666 wooow you’re so smart, you said exactly the same thing that I did but said that it was a reasonable thing, good job
JKBGamer: you blabbered some shit about how it was "their passion" but "now it's entirely for the money". My answer was that it still _is_ about passion AND it has always been for the money. Do you have comprehension difficulties?
I've always wonder why if both mother and father have black hair and brown eyes....Suzie, her sister and her brother, have blonde hair and blue/green eyes.
But knowing that the father was originally Ryan Gosling, it makes more sense to me.
Calila PloyPloy Whenever that happens I just mutter "recessive genes" to myself and keep going.
do that's it huh, were some kind of suicide squad
+Niall Reid i guess grampa has to be blonde, cuz granma is also not blonde....
+Niall Reid also being blonde and blue/green eyes....is not a dominant gene....if most of the family has darker hair and eyes, the probability that not only 1 but 3 sons of the same generation have a recessive fenotype it's not very high XD
Calila PloyPloy
RECESSIVE.
GENES.
Yeah?
I was shown this as a child. I repressed most of it, probably because my next door neighbor looked like Mr. Harvey. This movie scared me shitless.
I was 14 when I saw the movie/read the book...it was an awkwardly uncomfortable experience and I still try to repress it along with Passion of the Christ.
@@eatatjoes6751 My catholic grandma took all of us kids to see a film and we were so excited. "Oh boy, we're going to the theatre!". It was Passion of the Christ. I love grandma, but I'm still traumatised.
@@eatatjoes6751
When I was a little younger than that my uncle showed me Se7en. Probably screwed me up a little, but at least it was entertaining.
The Senate What was the other option?
Same! I saw this when I was like 7 and remember running out of the room crying, and I've been afraid to watch anything related to the movie since, but it doesn't even look scary
Oh no, I feel so bad for Ryan Gosling, putting so much effort into looking the part and then getting fired.
I read the book recently (very good and surprisingly cinematic) and he'd be perfect for the part (very different from the barebones Mark Wahlberg performance) and I even imagined him, as how he described himself, and it was great! I love Peter Jackson but that was a terrible call.
I'm pretty sure that's why gotti was such a disaster after they fired Joe Pesci
I’m sure his millions of dollars cheered him up.
Yeah feel bad for a millionaire movie star lmao🤦🏻♂️
@@stpbasss3773 What, just because he has alot of money doesn't mean he can't go through hardships? Just because you're a millionaire doesn't mean you can't go through hardships, feel emotionally negative or stressed about something. Hell, look at Brenden Fraser
My personal favourite scene;
"My grandma said that because I saved my brother, I would live a long and happy life"
"She was wrong."
*Seinfeld theme plays*
“Curb your enthusiasm” theme would be better
It's even funnier in the book. Something like 'as usual, Grandma was wrong'.
@@joey1723 That's almost as good as "Pete Forgot." from the _Gremlins_ novel.
"Yeah let's keep dancing"
-"around the plot"
Dan Grandma Infomercial
"Why is everyone is this movie on drugs?"
It was the 70s.
@charlie Dawson he often does this, he clears grew up in the rich suburbs
It was the 70s also explains the teens looking so mature. Everyone looked like they were in their 30s!
the 70s were no different than today other than the weed was way worse and the coke was way better
11:15
"Did you read the book? No you d--"
"I did."
My mom does that shit.
Ages ago, conveniently
He read it though. He knew her character wasn't behaving properly, rachel did too.
john smith he didn’t read it. Come on! Rachel Weisz probably read it thinking Spielberg would do something good and turned sour when she was written out and he focused on purgatory fashionista vignettes
Swish Yeah, so he randomly guessed how the character was supposed to act?
Did anyone else find that Rachel Weisz clip super uncomfortable? She seems really angry and defensive at the interviewer for possibly implying lazy writing who looks terrified and then she fails to explain anything competently.
Notice her answer to the question. She repeats her answer and "heaven" is mentioned 3 times. Kind of feel bad for her because it's really not her fault, but the writer's.
The interviewer himself seems incompetent to me. It was painful listening to him trying to get the question out.
I interpreted her as being annoyed at getting most of her character cut, rather than at the interviewer himself.
And also she made up her rape and falsely accused some guy.
I don't see how she seemed angry, but she definitely pulled a politician move by answering the question without actually answering the question
Am I the only person who hates when nature kills the villian at the end?
nope!, it gives no closure to the story, at all, it can be done right tho, as some form of irony, but in this case the scene is treated so seriously an in such a triumphant way that is annoying as fuck
I agree, its not as satisfying as being caught or killed by the police or protagonist.
I don't know. There are many crimes like this that remain unsolved. There isn't always a big triumphant moment where the cops catch the bad guy. I'd like to think that somehow their deeds catch up to them in some way, though I know it's unrealistic.
Jenn Terry The problem is that realism doesn't always make for a good story, it has to be entertaining, it's a movie that's supposed to sell tickets.
Daniel Biggins I agree with you. I was just thinking that maybe the writer wanted to make a more subtle point. There are many killers that are never caught and I always wonder about that, if their deeds ever catch up to them in some other way.
thats how it ended? the guy just gets away with it and a few years later slips and falls of a cliff?
did M night shamalamadingdong secretly direct this and just use Peter Jacksons name to sell it?
ITS SHYAMLAN!!!!
shyamalamadinkeydonk
That's actually what happened in the book, though.
@@ashwinvarkey8842 No, no. It's spelt "shyamalan" but it's pronounced "Throatwobbler Mangrove".
@@isawadelapradera6490 My bad. Its actually 'Shyamalan'.
If anyone is interested, I had to read this book for my Junior Paper (ok I chose it over other stuff for a number of reasons) and the book is pretty bad, too.
Susie keeps getting random ghost powers all the time and the movie only has blatant reincorporation because the author uses blatant reincorporation. Peter made a stinker, but the book didn't smell that great in the first place.
how poetic
Can we please talk about the fact that when Suzie finally gets a chance to go back to the real world, she doesn't return to her family to tell them what happened and give them comfort, or even go to her friends, but instead decides to return just so that she can posess that goth chick to have sex with the guy she had a crush on. You know, ignoring the fact that maybe the girl she posessed didn't want to have sex with him?
God, why were all the characters in this book unbearable?
+Buizelstar *ghost date rape insued*
***** God, and the fact that he was totally cool with it? "Oh, yeah, my girlfriend is gone and might never come back and I've now recognized you as the girl who was probably murdered. I've not matured as a person since then, though, so let's fuck in this shack before my bitch gets back lol"
At least Cameron made it a kiss. I have some respect for the author, given the circumstances that inspired her to write the book, but goddamn can Alice Sebold not write characters well. She should give conferences or something if she wants to raise awareness on how bad under-reported rape is and how much it affects people. Her efforts to spread that awareness through a book obviously worked out well for her, but it is a hard fuckin' read.
***** Yeah, The Lovely Bones is pretty fucked up. The author got raped about a decade before it was published, and I think that it gave her some unconventional ideas about love and sex, to say the least.
HOW TF DO YOU SWALLOW A TWIG
SWALLOW IT YOU FUCKING TURNIP!
Do you know when you look up your mouth opens automatically so theoretically if you say throw a ball into a tree you need to consciously keep your mouth closed so Twigs won't fall in otherwise you might get deep-throated by Nature
Just remember that President Bush, a grown man, choked on a pretzel once. So if that can happen, I can believe the twig...
Maui Randall “deep throated by nature”
@@FrancisR420 Why did you have to word it like that?...
Why does the boy she has a crush on look 25?! Is it really THAT difficult to cast actual young people? Especially for characters with very few lines. For the love of god please stop casting 30 year olds to play high school students?!
I'm gonna play the devil's advocate here but considering the fact that It's difficult to find a teenager who can act and not Exploit the shit out of the fact that they're hard to come by, maybe they'd thought it was better to settle for cheaper adult actors and actresses. Tbh between a 25 years old playing 19 or Disney XD, i'll take the bullet and calls for the former.
@Coley Durham once in a while, among all the Disney tweens , there comes a Stranger Thing.
Coley Durham not unless they're psychopaths.
Periodt.
Rachel Magowan especially because the main girl looks the right age.
Everyone involved in the movie seems so uncertain about everything when they're being interviewed.
The way his glasses stayed on after that fall 😂
also the terrible jumpcut from the CG falling manequin to the actor in the ground.....they didin't even tried XD
In the movie the glasses are atached
In the books they fall one or twice, when he rapes her
He diead as he lived. Wearing pedo-glasses.
Honestly Gosling sounds more truthful than Jackson
Matt H imagine if this was the film that really mentally broke Peter Jackson.
Looking truthful is part of the job
Peter Jackson’s explanation does kinda sound like he came up with it on the spot lol
He looks so much more like Saoirsa.
Idk. Maybe they just remembered it wrong. Like Peter told Ryan to loose weight and Ryan turned down the role because he didn’t feel like he could feel right in the role unless he had the extra weight that he had prepared with. So he told Peter he just didn’t feel like he was right for the role and didn’t fit what Peter wanted, and maybe he threw in an added opinion about being too young. So Peter just assumed it was because of the age thing and didn’t realize the weight had that much to do with it
A "happy" movie about a little girl who was raped and murdered by her neighbor. That makes as much sense as the fucking movie itself.
But at lease she got to say goodbye to her love interest by possessing his... Sister?
EveryoneHasMyNames Eeeewe... T-T
Incest is Wincest
Saddest and most depressing movie I seen
A little girl who never gets a proper burial, whose rapist and murderer doesn't get his comeuppance until *seven years later*. This movie is anything but a happy escape; the whimisical scenes of her frolicking among CGI meadows did fuck all to alleviate the utter dissatisfaction and misery I felt at the end of this film.
"And then I was fat and unemployed."
Well at least my life story is starring an actor I like.
Wow, you predicted the 'Ryan Gosling's just like me fr' meme
He’s literally me
R A P I S T G L A S S E S!
"They make the everyday man look like a sexual predator."
...I can do it too.
"And now introducing... Pedophile Beards!"
Yo couldn't she just have possessed the pedo and made him confess
shit u right
Then where would they fit the trippy purgatory scenes?
Lol nice exposure.
Btw it is ephebophile not pedo.
@@shereehi5539 still trash, no need to make differences
"Why do YOU think your character abandoned her family?"
"Peter Jackson's film focusses primarily on Heaven."
Oh.
Zack Cook she meant "we didnt have the time to explain why this happened"
This is now one of my favorite uses of Guile's Theme. Also that fall is so bad I had a small laughing fit.
that was the best thing I have seen today
came to comments to find that song, whelp thanks
K.O
it goes well with everything!
Mike Strider weebl
'' Positive ''. What? What is positive about a story revolving around a girl getting raped and murdered?
What's this whole thing about '' the movie has to be positive '' according to Jackson?
Not every movie has to be this positive sugarcoated story for kids.
All he had to do was just wait, the Hobbit was for childern
+Kolsyrad Mcluvin he meant positive experience. like when you go to movies, even if the movie is sad, like a drama, it's still a positive experience, because you like dramas.
He means the fact that there are very morbid things that happen in the book that Jackson avoids because he wants it to be sad but not something that actually makes you feel. Like in the book they find pieces of her body but in the movie it's in a safe so it's like "She's dead but don't worry, we won't show you gross stuff, we know you can't handle that." It's positive because it shows death as something that's not that bad. Think about it, eventhough this girl is raped and killed she goes to utopia so its okay.
Rohan Adsur Bipolar disorder, not autism.
@@WixkedLovy geez
Any time snow or ice goes down your back with nobody around it means a dead person hates you
No.
@@blankpage9277 yes
Lol no
2 years late to this comment but it's important, okay, but did they hate me before they died and still do, or did they not hate me before they died and just come to hate me after haunting my room and watching me smoke crack and watch anime for a few weeks ???
Sorry grandma
When I first saw this movie, I was absolutely convinced that Shyamalawang had directed it.
+NavidIsANoob The twist is that suzy was the icicle all along lol
That's cold
+NavidIsANoob 3:56 That guy looks quite a bit like Shyamalan...wonder if that might noy be a coincidence... XD
+chibidark321 BUT THEN WHO WAS PHONE??? XD
Best twist ever: THE DIRECTOR WASN'T SHYMALAN AT ALL!
Wait... that icicle that hit his shoulder seriously killed him?... I thought it'd hit his head or something, but no, just his shoulder. It didn't even hit from the sharp end.. And how does the other girl not hear that shit immediately?
Seriously, the way he fell though looked like GTA V
Spooky The Friendly Ghost he didn't die from the icicle he died from the fall
Yeahh I haven't seen the film but from what Adam showed I agree with CrudeCoronet.
The icicle hit his shoulder, which distracted his attention, caused him to lose his footing and fall.
It's not _many_ stupid-rungs above 'the icicle hit his shoulder and magically killed him,' but still..
It hit his shoulder, and when he tried to brush off the ice off his coat, he lost his balance and fell off a cliff
LOL
Of all the unrealistic things to point out...
S Parker ...you had to point out the icicle?! But seriously, I was like 14 (the target audience for this piece of crap) and had to watch this in English class. It was...not good. It was awkward, especially for someone who hadn't had her first kiss let alone all that happen and the ending reeked of Unfortunate Implications.
Why would someone have a cellar in the middle of a huge, empty field?
Maybe there used to be a house or farm on that property.
In the book he built it himself which means no one saw him do this...?
Doesn't someone own the field?
So that nobody would ever think to look there. 'Why would someone have a cellar in the middle of a huge, empty field?' indeed. Only little girls would be fooled by it, which is precisely what he wanted I think.
Possibly Dell Honne "cool club room"
Bruh I would just go to my uncle's house. Not too far away and pretty sure he's not a rapist................maybe.
Got to love how the actress (who played the mom) thought she was going to make the reporter look like a fool by asking him if he read the book (and answering for him by saying 'no - you didn't'); only to make herself look like an idiot when the reporter responded with 'Yeah - I did'.
Seeing her squirm as she tried to think of a good answer to his very valid question (and try to spin things in a pitiful attempt to hide the fact that she herself never read the book) was hilarious!
nah I disagree. I think she read it and was annoyed at peter jackson for adapting it so badly
@@yourmum69_420 nah the way she did squirm during the response, and preempting his answer that he hasn't read the book but then getting cut off that he had. She was a deer in the headlights and she got plowed.
The clips of the interviews are so telling of how much of a mess this is. The actress for the mother is saying that the plot hole of why her character leaves for no reason is there because Jackson was focused on other parts of the film..... You don't get to excuse loose threads in the final product like that. If it really was so insignificant that you didn't care to take care of that issue, why is it even in the film to begin with?
For her not to know is kinda embarassing. Just makes it seem like she was going through the motions. Even if the reasons not spelled out in the film, she should know her character. But as Ryan Gosling says PJ didn't have time to work with the actors on their characters, so I guess she didn't bother. Got caught out here though! No cover story, so inadvertenly blurts out the truth, and shows up PJ as well.
"The purgatory chick's right next to you. Why don't you just kiss her, you racist?"😂😂
"holes" is still the closest movie adaption of a book to me
kris stasko
The one big difference was the weight of the main character, which was only done for health reasons.
Silence of the Lambs is very close, too.
Rosemary's baby was super great at that too. Almost word for word
I feel that The Outsiders is very close as well
Holes was a solid movie too. Not perfect, but definitely entertaining and worth watching
OK, the fact that it was Ryan Gosling who was initially cast for the role kind of explains why the three fair-haired blue/grey-eyed kids look nothing like their dark-haired dark-eyed parents and grandma. Apparently they were supposed to take after their dad.
Agree with most of this, but I do think a lot of it makes sense from the perspective of a very innocent, naive 14(?) year old girl? The fact that things are kind of artsy and dream-like, or the fact that even though she was dead, she was still focused on not getting to kiss that guy. It made sense to me, idk.
(also she was in purgatory/limbo, not heaven. She went to 'heaven' at the end of the film.)
14 year old? She looks like she’s seven!
And as dumb as 3!
Yeah, that's the one thing that bothers me about this review. You're blaming a 14-year-old character for not being rational and logical in solving her murder.
@@ChatMort69420 wait, she was trying to?
@@ChatMort69420 I mean... There's being logical and then there's seeing your family cry over not knowing what happened to you for years and still deciding, in the moment when you could solve it all, to kiss that one guy you had a crush on all those years ago.
@@ChatMort69420 Dude that's an insult to 14 year olds.
They showed me this film at school. It was shit and the teacher apologised
We never got an apology
You poor children...
your school actually showed you a movie??? lucky brats
r/thathappened
+ankurama lololol
Anyone else feel like Marky Mark kinda Happening-ed this movie? I mean they casted him last minute so he probably didn't care too much or develop any character
Sara Katherine yeah i felt that "im only doing this to get paid" vibe.
Saúl Villaseñor yeah especially since he is a great actor who can pull off a performance when he puts in the effort.
"What? No!"
Mark Wahlberg is an awful actor.
What? No!
Seeing Mark wallberg with long hair was the funniest shit ever
'HE SWALLOWED A TWIG'
11/gg great moview BES MOVIE GENIUS OF OUR TIMES
*twink
I love this movie for the most pointless reason
They filmed the school scenes in my old middle school
Look at those puke green lockers. Perfect. Still as ugly as ever.
Lol
That "I see dead people" part was gold.
(sorry for the generic comment)
"Pedophile who fell to death cuz of an icicle" is officially the LAMEST DEATH EVER
I think I'm more pissed off that the Main Character just wants to get a kiss from a boy than bringing her killer into light. Priorities!
Orochimaru Hebi In the book it makes a lot more sense because she spends so much time watching the lives of her loved ones through the misery they endure over her murder, how it breaks the relationship between her parents and at the time in the book, it’s been like 8-10 yrs or something and she doesn’t want to disturb the life of her loved ones by bringing back these horrible memories. She just want them to move on.
You could also interpret it as her dying young and not maturing enough, being perpetually a very young teen who got her life stolen from her and it’s warping her priorities? She has this one last selfish wish to experience love with her crush. Would you blame a young girl who got raped and murdered for having selfish desires?
Idk, it’s not as surface level but the movie is garbage at illustrating it.
What I know though is it was a lot more pensive and well executed in the book than on screen.
@@thisiskitta Well said.
I remember watching this with my sister and laughed at how terrible it was but my sister was like "SHUT UP CHRIS UR BOY MIND WON'T UNDERSTAND THE FEELINGS"
To be fair, she wasn't entirely wrong. You not understanding the feels has less to do with your gender and more to do with how shit this movie was.
Lighting Chaos well. You got a sexist on your hands there buddy
This could easily be me and my sister. 😅
And yes, my name's Chris. And Iaughed when watching this awful tripe.
Matt B
Well to be fair, the film rushes the fuck out of the ending as opposed to the book. In the book there's a few lines of dialogue exchanged while you know what is about to happen as opposed to just how abrupt it happens in the film.
My girl mind didn't understand either.
In Stanley’s defense appearance-wise, he found the role so disturbing that he wanted to look as different from his real self as possible... I still agree with you, though.
“Ya here that guys? everybody dies. Except if you get murdered then it’s really cool,”
Senior quote worthy
Okay, can we talk about how the guy's body just kind of telelports into a slightly different position as that puff of snow (really badly) puffs over him at 17:07? His body rolled really slow off that rock, and not only did the snow coming down stop already before a surge of more snow comes over him somehow, but it literally looks like somebody just sweeps a blanket over him. And not only that, but his right arm magically teleports behind his head at a seemingly impossible angle none the less. And not ONLY that, but his left arm is suddenly sticking straight up and his left leg goes WAY up higher than it was literally just a second ago.
yea, that was a really bad transition between cgi double falling down the cliff and real actor lying on the ground.
10:30 I love how every word syncs up with the beat for like, half a minute
lol
Jackson's effects are mostly great, but seemingly all of his movies have at least one or two instances of *terrible* looking effects, like the pedo-rapists death-fall. Damn that shit looks bad.
King Kong?
TheVideoInvader king kong (2005) is masterpiece of cinema.
alex no,just no.
I feel like the ony critic that should be taken out is the whole "How can she think if she's a ghost?" because this point isn't brought up in other movies he reviews with ghosts. But also the movie is establishing that souls have emotions and stuff in the rules of their world.So it feels like it weakens his argument. Other than that it's fine.
Yeah-like, I'm also an atheist and don't believe in life after death, but it's a movie.
this actress has zero charm. horrific movie.
@@eduardochavacano how was this related to the comment 😂
@@eduardochavacano Even if that's the case it doesn't really matter since that isn't the argument being made.
16:53 Can somebody explain to me how there is no fence to stop people from falling off that giant cliff?
no one got revenge killed by icicles before!
+Mark Lee OOOOOOH IST MAKES SO MUCH SENSE NOW
I feel like a majority of cliffs don't have fences on them.
Plot connivence?
+Jim Wasn't it a car park?
This movie doesn't know what it wants to be...
Its a silly family picture, with lots of comedy and colorful characters about a girl getting raped and killed... Wait what ?
What do you want from me, movie ?
Pick a style and stick to it !
I'M GETTING MIXED SIGNALS HERE!
What a cluster fuck of a movie
It's actually a great movie. Pick a style and stick to it is not a very creative attitude at all.
I think the reason why a lot of people don't like it is because most people live with a conditioned mind and most people in the west are only familiar with movies with genres (which is unrealistic because real life is not based on a genre).
In Asia and especially in India we're accustomed to movies like this.
"which is unrealistic because real life is not based on a genre"
Exactly. That's why we go to see movies, they are not like real life! If I wanted unestructured stories with no consistent tone and an accurate portrayal of society, I would go to literally any other place except the theatre.
@@Yoseqlo1 That is not why people go to see movies, that's just your opinion. There are people who can appreciate movies which are not aimed at providing basic entertainment to the audiences like romance, comedy, action etc..
And if you don't believe there are people who enjoy movies with no consistent tone just take me as an example. I like it! And I'm people. I do not watch movies to escape reality(at least not always). Thus I have no problems with movies which closely resemble real life.
it fucked me off so much that she could interact with people/possess their bodies and she did that to kiss the boy rather than give her family closure on where her body had been dumped?
Evvie Potter She posseses the body to have sexy times with the boy in the book.
Evvie Potter i mean her character was an immature teen girl. it makes sense.
I feel it’s an unfair criticism to question the realism of ghosts. Movies are allowed to depict fictional, unreal concepts. If we couldn’t depict the afterlife because it wasn’t realistic, we couldn’t have magic or monsters or anything.
Early YMS had his faults, like being overly edgy just cause.
Where does he question the realism of ghosts? He questions the consistency of the ghosts. You can have whatever kind of fantastical elements you want, but if there's no consistent rules to them then it's just lazy writing.
@@andrewg3196 probably the tangent he went on about having emotional responses to things in the afterlife?
Yeah it made no sense. “What??? Supernatural events don’t make sense scientifically??” I was like why do you think we call them SUPERnatural? By definition that means they don’t fit with our scientific understanding of nature, so I don’t know why that would be surprising for him.
I think the problem is inconsistency with their own rules.
0/10 did not get impaled on icicle.
"Oh my god. My dog's barking at him- that means he killed my sister." Fucking died 😂
Instead of the icicle impaling him, it hits his shoulder, falls down his shirt, and then he falls off a cliff?
I hate when this happens
If Ice Age could do it, then so could this movie
Lame
Movie critics: why do they cast adults as children?
Also movie critics: children are terrible actors
(Note this is a joke and over simplification)
I think they should have adults acting as younger people because it would be messed up to show an actual child in a lot of scenes that are in movies, but they could at least use actors who look young and not like 30
Phuck You even in non-messed up scenes children in Hollywood can be abused in many other ways look at Macaulay Caulkin or the Olsen twins
I know it’s a joke but it’s true
Children are terrible actors
But then again, you watched the fucking Goonies, or Stranger Things, or Zathura ...
@@victorrocha5755 Why would you say Zathura over Jumanji?
Glad I wasn't the only one that hated this movie.
Also didn't expect AH "cameos."
LETS KEEP DANCING AROUND THE PLOT .. fucking died
stop upvoting me i keep getting annoying notifications
You'll take my upvote and you'll damn well like it
Lol
***** Here's another note for you
noot noot
"Wow all these actors are old in school"
"Wow these child actors suck"
YOU CAN'T HAVE BOTH
(kek)
+Asdayasman err he didn't comment on the acting... even when that horrible asian actress should've been called out he didn't even do that. What were you quoting?
+attackzack21 Have you watched any of the other reviews ever? He constantly complains about child actors' skills.
+Asdayasman Why can't we have both?
Why can't we have good, young actors?
+Saggen Westberg You can, but you have to audition 7000 children or some shit. I don't remember which director it was that did it, but YMS made a video about it.
+Asdayasman "This unknown actor sucks"
"This well-known actor gets too many roles"
You can't have both?
The goal is to find good actors regardless of age.
my ex looked like a younger version of the Stanley tucci character and we thought it was hilarious
I dated a cliche 1970s pervert murderer
Are you still alive?
Uncle Terry guess not RIP
Literally my math teacher looks exactly like the murderer from tlb but without the mustache. I do NOT trust him
k kul dud
You need to kill him first. Try to enlist a another teacher who has a looser, softer subject. Like an English or psych teacher.
Joshua Stone mmm noice
that isn't how people want to see a villain die, they want to see someone brutally kill them
11:19 its like she wanted to say "did you read the book? no? shut the fuck up"
Yeah that's where I thought it was going.
Seriously, I thought she was going to lie about the book to make it seem like the wife leaving was accurate to the book.
i swear i was a better liar when the teacher asked if ive read that book we had in class.
And when she starts explaining her thoughts it's clear that she has no fucking idea and is just trying to awkwardly dodging the question with a strawman
I love how a video posted 8 years ago still has recent discussions going on in the comment section. I’m obviously not the only one going back to re-watch old YMS videos.
The murderer looks like Jeffrey Dahmer, and yes it took me around 6 years to notice that
That Furry, Red
Jeffrey is actually pretty good looking in some of his pictures.
jeff was exclusively into men and exclusively killed men so it has nothing to do with it
@redloiyu654jay they gave him pedostache and serial killer glasses, so you know he's the bad guy. I guess they decided not to have a tattoo saying "BAD GUY OF THE MOVIE" on his forehead
No he does not. He looks like BTK.
@_ANCIENT ASTRONAUT THEORIST_ i was replying to the person above me
_She Got The Cap Off_
"Oh my God my dog is barking at him, that means he killed my sister."
In fairness, if this movie took place in the 70's, the "pedo murderer" look hadnt been established yet. That look was still normal and in the process of being appropriated by pedo murderers, so you can't really blame the girl for not being suspicious right away.
okay even with the flaws and shit I'd probably still cry at the heaven part like at the end part I cant really remember, but I always bawled my eyes out
yep that part at the tree I always cry at that part, fucking soft ass heart
You know, I would judge you, but I cried like a little bitch at Tommorowland.
T O M R R O W L A N D
I agree that the movie could have been done a lot better. However there are some threads of themes that really played through well. The most significant are the shots when they're in his clubhouse. The feeling of dread by being confined and how well the actors play their parts is spot on.
Some sub points were a little less well done but still within character. The husband not letting it go, the wife breaking down, and the sister acting on behalf of justice. These are things that real people would plausibly do. Also, the killer not only holding onto something to relive the moment, but also acting skiddish when people are starting to suspect him, are things someone who is guilty does.
If you get Ryan Gosling...... FUCKING KEEP HIM NO MATTER WHAT!!!
+Otto T Not only he's a real life lovely boner, he's a talented actor
he's a real human being
+Vivien *human Breen
@@supermutantsam1160 **cumin bean
Haha love the old Michael rage quit clip from the beginning
Did anyone else notice that at 9:25 Peter Jackson pretty much implied the book is boring? "We have a responsibility to fans to preserve the tone of the book but we also have a responsibility to the people coming to see the movie to make sure it's entertaining." That implies that you had to change the tone to make it interesting, meaning you thought the source material was boring? The fuck. The book was way better than this.
Yep, he had the same attitude about LOTR (and clearly the Hobbit), why choose to adapt something if all you are going to do is ruin it with arrogant fiddling? He really seems to think he can improve on things, when actually it is also clear he is not a good story teller (I read an interesting opinion on his treatment of Moria, he started letting the viewer know that Balin and co had ended badly, dwarf skulls on the stairs etc. so no build up of dread, Tolkien was simply better at basic story telling, as well as in other aspects).
Completely true. You need someone who actually has real respect for the source material to make such a film.
He may of possibly meant that since it's two completely different forms of media, that one way of engaging a reader in it's story, isn't necessarily as effective as when it comes to watching a movie that's anywhere between 90 minutes to a full two hours.
Yes, sure, but that seems to be his standard excuse for tinkering with, and I would say, degrading original material. I really get the feeling that he thinks he can do better than the original creators, I don't think he can.
Christopher Steer There's a Rollingstone article in which Peter Jackass says that the Hobbit deals with Tolkiens experiences in the War but if he read any Preface from any of Tolkiens books he would have seen Tolkien saying nothing about any of his books having to do with the wars. And the need to change Tolkiens stories seems Ridiculous because Tolkien was a literary genius. Yeah Sorry I like Lord of The Rings a lot.
Funny... I'm watching this in 2018, and the rapist's name is Harvey. Hmm.....
Well we'll wrlll
I don't get it.
Harvey weinstein
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@@luizphilipe6970 you're a real Albert Weinstein
Clearly the movie doesn't seem good. But is the book good? The story sounds kinda interesting.
Monkacornoo! the books good I recommend it
Jeavano Flora hahahaha wtf your profile pic 😂
Saúl Villaseñor You wouldn't be laughing if you knew where it came from (0-0)
Neil Breen zone-tan?
Even though I had to read the book for college (and I hate reading anything when it's mandatory) I still thought it was amazing! Much more real-feeling than the movie, and has whole subplots that the movie leaves out. My class watched the film after we'd read the book and we all thought it was a terrible adaptation of a great book lol :)
Some of the stuff in this movie is in the book like pretty much all of the recurring things and grandma talking about getting it on with older fellas. I feel like the movie was trying so hard to cram in every single thing that makes this book good into the 2 hour time slot instead of adapting it. It really doesn’t translate well in this movie. They really phoned in the whole Susie taking pictures and foreshadowing and stuff way too much. They should’ve spent time actually developing Ruth’s character along with others. But who cares about plot when Susie is galavanting in purgatory
Actually, there's a much simpler explanation why there was no rape and murder: Saoirse Ronan's parents told Jackson she'll be in the movie if they skip that particular scene because she was still a minor back then.
Reminds me of Natalie Portman’s parents telling the director of “Leon the Professional” to skip, delete and avoid all adult-child love/s*x/shower scenes if he really wanted her in the film because she was a child actor. Similar concept.
it would be better if the dead girl could whisper to her dad that sometimes gets through so he puts it together then figures it out leading to a struggle with the killer as ghost girl watching it happen, screaming and crying unable to do anything then the dad kinda hearing it and switching it up beating the pedo killer and calling the cops and end it with her being buried and finally passing on with tears in her eyes and a smile. it would be so much better.
So much potential but nope, we got this.
Nah instead she possesses a girl to kiss her 20 something looking ass crush
Because that is trully realistic. I hear my dead grandmother every day here in my home. I also hear my friend who got killed on a hit and run every now and then, but he refuses to tell me what exactly happened that night but yeah let's do your way
@@victorrocha5755 why are you so obsessed with realism in this movie? you've mentioned it 3 times now. this is not meant to be a documentary. it's also not supposed to be a super realistic take on death and pedophiles or whatever. if it was, we wouldn't get any of the purgatory scenes. Susie wouldn't be able possess that girl just because she wanted a kiss. i could go on and on, but why do people treat this movie like it's supposed to be hyper realistic?
@@Crypted112 omg, you don't understand sarcasm!
Susie: What happened to him?!
Kid: He swallowed a twig!
YMS: (In monotone) Fuckin' genius.
I don't have a problem with movies that have a concept of an afterlife, and I'm not sure why you do. If you're not religious, you can view it a a fantasy concept. Complaining about it is sort of like complaining that there are ghosts in ghost busters
THAT SAID
A fantasy magical heaven purgatory does not gel well with a serial killer story ESPECIALLY when it is a book adaptation and you completely made it up and it has nothing to do with the book.
I think he was moreso upset at the lack of consistency and wasted time there then the concept.
He was more upset about the fact that they used the Afterlife as an excuse to meander and do stupid shit rather than use it to advance the plot. He's well aware that these concepts work and can be done/executed well. Maybe should've been paying a bit more attention there cheif. Also, you realize how old this review is right? It's like a year old or something and I somehow remember what he was complaining about. Amazing what paying attention can do for you.
Correction: It is six years old.
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when @Shady Bacon claimed that Adum was complaining about the concept of an afterlife, i think what he meant was this very statement: 6:54 - 7:01
i think what he also said about Adum's claims on the afterlife were on the very CONCEPT of it and not how it affected the plot and made this movie boring as hell and dumb too because it SURE AS HELL did. but yeah i agree with you that adum has knowledge on different concepts and such but what he said about the chemicals and the relations to real life and shit is what @Shady Bacon was referring to.
i agree with what Enigma said partly because it is true that adum was more annoyed with the lack of consistency and its inclusion rather than just the idea of an afterlife but adum still bitched on for some time about not believing in and afterlife and so and so. i also think you sounded kinda pretentious with the "pay a bit more attention CHIEF" part. but yeah thats just what i think.
Ok. But. I'd pay to watch serial killers in hell. That sounds like a good funny paper comic strip imo.
@@jameer7565 you sound like you have good knowledge on that yourself with how bitchy you are about it
I'd actually like to see a movie where someone is hallucinating the ghost of some loved one who was murdered giving them all these asinine 'clues' to the real murderer but the police detective is forced to tell them that it's all bullshit and wouldn't be the kind of thing to hold up in court in a post-Salem Witch Trial world. They actually try to use bullshit like 'my dog barked at him, dogs can sense teh EV1L!!" Have the bad guy get away with it because the victim's family believes in WOO over actual forensic evidence.
Juxtavarious That sounds amazing I'd watch the shit out of that XD
Only one this we MUST have Ryan Gosling :P
Matthew Williams
Perfect
+Juxtavarious
they just signed Patrick Swayze for that exact movie... stay tuned!
SPOILER ALERT: at the very end he turns to the camera, breaking the fourth wall, to tell the audience that this is all just straight out bullshit, some dumb phantasy for people who can't deal with reality! - then he vanishes, whispering "Epicurus was right" ...
Figures someone would beat me to it.
o.ô ?
"The Purgatory chick's right here why don't you just kiss her you _RACIST._ "
That line gets me EVERY fucking time.
Who tries to sword swallow a twig?
Someone who didn’t deserve to live in the first place
I want to die
You're not wrong
The worst part of the movie is how the family realizes that he’s the killer but they have no evidence to make them think that he would be. It’s very infuriating.
The one thing I really enjoyed about the movie was Saoirse Riordan performance. That girl is an amazing actress and despite all the flaws of the movie I couldn't help but tear up almost every time she was on screen. I can explain some of the perplexity that the youtuber had: some rapist keep mementos of their victim as trophies, and seeing joural articles about their "opera" enhance their ego. I'm too lazy to write more XD
Have you seen "Hannah"?
Yes, I'm a Saoirse junkie, I see every movie she's in XD
Hee hee hee. What did you think of the end?
Saoirse Ronan, not Riordan.
Lol for me then
WHY DO ADVERTISERS THINK I'M GOING TO SIT THROUGH A 4 MINUTE MATTRESS COMMERCIAL????
They figured that we're stoned & we'll just space out & watch the entire thing. 😂
I have a different point of view for this movie. She's not trapped at the purgatory because her case wasn't solved, but because nor her or her father have accepted her death, hence the persuasion thing at the beginning. It is pretty clear on the movie (and I honestly don't I understand how you guys could've missed) that her actions at the purgatory and her father's actions on earth are very similar, leading to thinking that this is not a story about revenge, but acceptance.
And oh my god, the mother doesn't leave for no reason, she leaves because she couldn't take her husband's obsession about finding his daughter's killer. Don't you guys know what happens with a family when a kid dies, especially in such horribles circumstances like this one?
Also, I also found cliché that they've used the old pedo style for the murderer, but you have to take account the time that the movie is passing, which I believe it was the 70's. Not only that choice of glasses and clothes were (goes on)
... trending at the time, but not a lot of cautions on strangers were being advertised (she says something about how missing girls on milk cardboards weren't as comum).
I personally don't believe in a heaven, hell or purgatory, but I also don't believe that the movie has anything to do with religion. It's about acceptance (she needed to realize that, even though her innocence and experiences were taken away, she needed to let them go; and the father needed to realize that life goes on). So goes that the movie finishes with the mother finally entering Susie's room.
+Matthewdoesgaming In the book the mother basically has a complete nervous breakdown after the girl's death, cheats on her husband and leaves him to be with the new dude because she can't cope with her daughter's death. But that would ruin the feelgood movie vibes. instead of, y'know. Portraying just how badly something so horrible and distressing can completely ruin a family.
+Henrique Caúla Just because a film has meaning behind it doesnt excuse it for being a shitty movie
guys, who cares it is a dog shit film care less about it
+Danny Liken
Why do you personally believe it's a dogshit film
Fun fact: the last scene where he falls off the cliff was supposed to just end with him falling and you wouldn't see him tumble down. It was supposed to have the audience decide whether he'd live or not. But test audiences weren't satisfied so they shot him tumbling down the cliff as a last minute re-shoot.
I bet the original death scene was better than it was in the final film.
i fucking died when that dude fell over the edge of the cliff. goddamn
as did he
16:45 Once again proved: Guile's Theme goes with absolutely everything. Just great! :D
"But now hate was all that I had."
So what was all that hippie dancing bullshit about? Exactly what part of those beautiful landscapes, friendship with the Asian girl, magical butterfly stuff, giant boats in bottles and fun times was I supposed to interpret as "hate"?
Peter Jackson goes back and forth with his weight and the age he looks, its wild.