Kristina offering that peace every few turns then making her confused face like *you're* the asshole when you wont surrender, that shit was infuriating.
As Potato repeatedly admits, he got way too greedy here by forward settling an AI and stealing their natural wonder, especially when he was an easy target with no military. But I think the game could still be won if he had kept his head and played rationally. Sweden repeatedly offered him peace and reparations of 19 GPT if he ceded the city. Potato should have realized that he couldn't beat the AI to crossbows when his science was in the single digits. So he should have taken the peace deal and used the gold to kill Dido and build up his economy. Then he could have returned and killed Sweden. I'd love to see a video where he reloads a save from the war and gives this strategy a try.
@@tbush6657 Y'know, I've always wondered what happens to the leaders of civs you conquer. Do they die? Because I'd consider leaving them as regional governors (rather than city governors). It's not like their people dislike them, and they can advise me on ways to keep my new citizens happy and productive. What problems they had that the old leader just couldn't solve.
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Around 16:40 Potato covers one of my least favorite things about playing on higher difficulties in civ. The AI at the start of the game has HUGE bonuses. Multiple settlers. You really can't compete against them for early wonders. And then those bonuses don't scale and the AI just becomes a bowl of mashed potatoes in the mid to late game where the player just runs them over even with the bonuses they get to science/production/etc. I hope that moving to civ 7 they find a way to create more of a happy medium, where players can't compete for early wonders, always have to watch for a forward settling diety AI that just bum rushes you with settlers from turn 1, and in return the AI scales better into the late game EDIT: Dido with 69 science on 2 cities (only one campus) on turn 124 proving my point
I agree, the AI players should get less starting bonuses, and more scaling bonuses. Something like a third of their starting bonuses in the Ancient era, and then another stack of the bonuses every era after that. It gives the player more breathing room in the early game and makes the AI more challenging in the mid to late game in situations other than 'haha 2 of your neighbors locked you down in a forever war while someone on the other side of the map steamrolled out of control'.
scaling bonuses are so much more interesting than flat bonuses or starting bonuses, I hope more 4x games consider implementing them, I'd love to play against an AI that starts with modest bonuses but stacks up to +300% yields in the lategame
@@stevedhondt That's an idea too.... if you want to wait around for 2 hours after every turn in the late game while the game simulates every single one of the million possible combinations of actions it CAN take for every single AI and decides on the best course of action.
I think it would be really interesting to explore the possibility of variable ai. What I mean is, I want a 4x game where the ability of the ai to play the game and make good decisions changes over the course of the game. Or ai that's good at some things, but bad at others. The problem with civ difficulty is that it's all based on production bonuses and free stuff, rather than computer players actually being any good at the game. Perhaps it's genuinely not possible to code an AI that can beat human players at Civ, at least not while running on home hardware, but given the capabilities of modern ai it feels unlikely.
@@ianking7511 while the idea is very interesting, the problem is that, technically there are too many posibilities in a 4x game like Civ that the AI needs to process through for it to be viable for home PC's. Every turn every city has anything from 20-50 different things it can build, from districts to units to city projects, and the AI needs to have the ability to shift from the currently built target to another one. However each individual city of a 10-15 city empire needs to work together, and not be treated separately, otherwise players will discover this and abuse it against the AI. And that's only taking into account current turn availability. A good AI would also need to be able to take into account future options: for example, new districts being unlocked, that a normal player DOES take into account when planning cities. A good AI would also need to take into account stuff like trades that can influence it's options: For example a city can build a +3 Campus near the city center. BUT, a human player will also see that if they sell some resources for flat cash, they can now afford to buy two tiles out and that would give them access to a +7 Campus on the edge of the city. Every extra possible action exponentially increases the amount of iterations of possibilities the AI would need to go trough to reach the best outcome possible, which would lengthen turn timers for the AI to unreasonable levels. The alternative would be to create an AI that 'learns' to play the game, like how an AI capable of playing Starcraft 2 was created, that eventually was able to compete with the best players in the game, but that 'solution' comes with it's own set of problems.
Problems I see with deity: 1- Early game: A: Ai starts close to you and you get into a at least 100 turns war, and ai has so much spare production and science there's literally no way for you to keep up, by the time you clear ai's starting army usually they have walls/crossbows. They literally send units down the drain just to keep you from progressing. B: You try settle, and keep up with the ai in terms of science and culture and until you keep up, forget about any offensive interaction. 2-Mid Game: You can build wonders ai doesn't prioritize, like petra, colossus, mauseloum, sometimes kilwa etc. You catch up with the ai and this phase of the game is actually decent. If you conquer any ai city though you'll be surprised with how crap it is compared to what they have been pumping out from that city. Ai may attack you sometimes in this phase, but usually doesn't, early wars happen way to often compared to this phase of the game wars. (I'm talking 100-200 turns) 3- Late game: If you have your gameplan established ai doesn't stand any chance against you, doesn't declare wars pretty much at all. Their stupid bonuses start to fall of, since they don't get governments and usually have crappy cities. Ai is super slow on victory conditions, it usually never gets religion victory on it's own even if you take no part in it, pretty slow on science, ocasional civs try culture victory but you can defend against it. There were so many times I was winning mostly because ai decided to not use it's gdr's they have built against me and let me have a peaceful endgame. Summary: Deity early game is a menace, you hate to have it near you, it ruins games by mindlessly attacking you with sheer power and you never had the chance to do anything. Mid/late ai doesn't attack you usually, and lets you win. Their bonuses aren't enough in the lategame to cover up the stupidty they have. I'd like for the ai to have scaling bonuses through the game so they have more bonuses they have from the standart deity ai in the late game. But they don't start with 3 settlers and 5 warriors they can forward settle + rush you down in the early game, but have a better late game. Also it'd be cool if they tried to actually win. Rather than "let me research every tech I don't ever need before winning". Basically: problem isn't how hard it is, problem is why and how it is hard.
Oh yeah. Taking AI cities sucks. Like I tried to take a city that had no production, and they just put up mid walls like it was nothing. I ended up getting this forward settled city through loyalty, and it was just painful how long it would even take to get a monument. And the AI only improved one tile...
kinda reminds me of stellaris difficulty, where you they basically scale from default to your set difficulty over the course of the game, getting the highest bonuses by the endgame start year, it keeps the AI kinda relevant, unless you play some kind of tryhard tech-rush build and clown on everything because you are years ahead in technology Even the better players suddenly start struggling once they cannot gain the tech leverage by the midgame, and every OP Strat involves maxing out technology in one way or another, which of course is fair, but the AI doesnt know that, on Grand Admiral its just ahead by nature due to the 2x modifier on almost everything
This early kristina war reminded of when i played the kongo and kristina spawned like halfway across the map and got super mad at me for getting more great works. AI literally marched a army across the whole map to declare war on me and refused to give up until they were on one dinky city left.
I saw when you were recommended this mod on an earlier stream/video and installed it. It generates the craziest maps and I haven't played with like any of the setting properly. The game I have played through was the Dutch, max rivers and ship navigable water ways. My weakest campus was a +4 and most were +6 with one that I got lucky enough to have a +8. It was insane. Also had an insane amount of polders. If you want a game with the Dutch, highly recommend.
I'm sure you aren't surprised that Kristina declared war on you. Whenever Kristina is my neighbor, she cranks out like 5 warriors and declares an early war on me. Whenever she spawns near me, I automatically throw out my plans and start cranking out units. I'd rather spawn next to the Zulu than Kristina. I'm surprised she waited that long.
Pericles usually does that shit with me. Whenever Pericles spawns as my neighbour I just know it's going to have to be an early war, before he fucks any of my plans up lol
38:19 "I will burn my empire to a cinder just to make sure you get nothing from me. That is the level of anger that I have reached right now." that's... incredibly raw
If you hit the red X, it's supposed to tell the ai you will not trade it under any circumstance. Dont know if it works right though, I've never used it.
Potato plays too greedy by forward settling and not building a military. Then gets in a war, builds to 250 military strength then refuses to build more military when the AI is on 500-600. Won't take peace to build up his strength and just turtles for like 50 turns. Then he wonders why he can't win a war. Insert shocked Pikachu face.
actually i'm guilty of not building enough army. town defenders. i tend to use archers as scouts. Generally once i get into trouble with someone then anywhere with reasonable production just power builds units. I'm not trying to win the war. i'm just trying to make it miserable enough for them to quit.
I am here for the pettiness. I feel so validated for all the times I ruined my own playthrough for the sake of being right and not letting the AI get away with something.
Got lakes is a fantastic script, probably my favorite in VI. Setting it to where the entire north half of the map is an icy wasteland gives a fun place to hunt barbs later, especially with a mod that adds barb cities/etc.
I had this on the background, like usual with how i watch these. But Potato going off on losing the game before he loses his city and thinking himself into depression before the AI can blink. got me watching with full attention
Really fun video! It's really enjoyable to see you struggle, even if you lose. A lot of your games seems 'easy', which is probably just because you're playing really well. I hope you will use this map mod more often!
I just need to write that this episode was a painful pleasure for me to watch. But I honestly adore how even those who are really skilled (e.g. PotatoMcWhiskey) sometimes share this interesting feeling of stubbornness against the AI wars. Thank you!
As like the first video i watch of this game, i really enjoyed it and found it very entertaining even though i didn't understand most of it, thank you for making this Playthrough.
Please, please, please Spuddy, when are you going to take another crack at that Blob Strategy?! It was awesome and would love to see you crush it next time!
This kinda goes to why I hate playing on deity, AI literally gets to build as many troops as they want without penalty of gold, and nobody hates them for going to war with you, but as soon as you take a city back everyone hates you.
what an insane map but at the same time the video really educate me on some basic skills like city planning, and how to lay out those areas to maxmize the bonus
Hi there Potato, just wondering if you've ever been interested in trying out this mod called Civilizations Expanded. I've been messing around with its complete overhaul of the civs in the game and it makes the game incredibly interesting and different. Would be fun to see you try it out!
@@PotatoMcWhiskey a series of mod spotlight videos would be cool. I'd like to recommend checking out the CIVITAS - City States Expanded mod. I really like it, 4 new additional city state types, redesigned envoy bonuses, loads more city states with better placement and they start with Ancient Walls to make them tougher.
I'm only 10 mins into this video but I would love to play this "everything WILL flood" map with a naval civ or at least a civ with a strong naval unit like Brazil. Once everyone is restricted to whatever the protected with flood barriers it's all about how well you can command your navy.
Hey Potato, I’ve been going back and watching some of your old civ 6 videos and stumbled across your recreation of the roman empire playlist and loved every second of it. I was wondering if you would be interested in doing another large scale tsl europe on marathon speed with all the new updated civs. maybe do it as scotland, norway, hungry, spain, or a central europe civ. I think it would be super entertaining with all the updates civ has made in the past 3 years!
Forget about coastal flooding. Blizzards are so ridiculously devastating in this game for now on I am putting disaster intensity on zero when I play Canada or Russia. I used to think it was just apocalypse mode, but when I played Canada on disaster intensity 2, within 10 turns all of my districts and tile improvements in my biggest cities got pillaged or completely destroyed. I feel like the game persecutes me with the weather sometimes, and those crippling blizzards are ridiculous. Like how am I supposed to compete with deity AI Babylon when all my districts need to be rebuilt?
I completely agree. Blizzards are absurd in this game. And you will notice that they deliberately aim themselves at all your improvements. It's the reason I turned off apocalypse mode. If you are Russia or Canada a blizzard can just cripple you. Three in a row is basically starting a new game out of frustration. Are blizzards that damaging in real life?
You can use that map script to make a completely desert world. I did it with Mali once and it was a cake walk, as I could settle everywhere and the AI couldn't get any population to keep up.
that mom joke you made earned you a subscribe I'm not gonna lie potato I've been watching you for probably 2 years now and I dont know why I haven't subscribed
I hope you take some time to look through the Got Lakes mod. Both the variety and specificy it allows to suit whatever you fancy playing (or randomising) means that i never play a map that isnt created by the mod (unless its a workshop map). Its great omce you get used to it
I feel you on this one. In planetfall something similar happened to me and I have no idea how to win that save. There's an alliance of 5 npcs and one has an active doomsday(which somehow hasn't won them the game yet). I panicked when the doomsday reached 3 and declared war and now I'm at war with like 4-5 people at once, while being in a corner of the continent.
Reminds me of a recent start as Alex on a TSL Earth map with Poland, Ottomans and Basil also in the game. Poland and Ottomans both declared on me before turn 20. It honestly was worse than this video, since I only had room for one more city and had really poor production and growth. Even though I held on for a bit (since my capital was fairly defensible), I ended up losing to loyalty pressure.
I'm a new player, I've been struggling a lot with deity, I was noticing the same thing. Seems like it just gets way too much for free well into the game. Glad to see I'm not the only one. I've played a bunch of other civs, been playing civ 6 for about 2 weeks, really like the new mechanics it has.
Don't give up on this playthorough, Potato! It was awesome seeing a hard game for a professional youtuber, cus usually every game is just ridiculously easy. Beeing stuck in infinite war with strong neighbours is basicaly the history of Europe. I truly think that you can change the tide of the game by occupying other continents, developing a strong scientific and industrial infrastructure, and than having your revange on late game war. Come on, man, you can do this!
the fact that you can mark a deal term as unacceptable to keep an AI from requesting it and that Potato never did slightly killed me with the city being ceded/not ceded 😅
Just an observation, but in every game where Sweden spawns next to me, they will declare an early surprise war without fail. They will be friendly later if I choose not to annihilate them, but spawning next to Sweden is an immediate warning that I need to prioritise military early on.
We need a tab that shows your military breakdown. That way you don’t have to go hunting for units later in the game when you’re looking to upgrade them. Open a page and it lists all your units and their ranks and where they are.
This is the type of game i start with the idea of science, then turn to domination just because i have a bone to pick with sweden and phoenicia and the resulting grievances will force my hand lol
This game reminds me of my own last game: Played as the Khmer and spawned in a pretty good place, got early faith from a luxury and could grab the production on Marshes pantheon. Then Cleopatra decided to forwards settle and box me in from the north even though she had hundreds of empty tiles to the north of her capital, she went and settled 3 cities to the south and declared war on me, and because she kept it up for so long with her stupid chariot archers, Cyrus who spawned to my Southwest also started forward settling me. I finally managed to get a peace with Cleo on turn 80, but now I'm stuck on three 3 population cities (because of course natural disasters constantly hit me), with barely enough land to my south to possibly settle 3 more... if Cyrus doesn't claim them before I get a chance.
Potato, you take the right side of the archer promotions for the bonus strength against districts. However, the second left side promotion ALSO applies when attacking districts, while at the same time giving more strength against units. I don't think that's how it's SUPPOSED to work, but it does. As a result, the left side are almost always better, unless you're defending from districts.
I would love for an apocalypse version of the map where Potato settles the high ground and pumps out coal factories until the oceans rise, wiping out his foes
I wish there was a difficulty mode where you can play vs Diety but without them starting with extra settlers and settlers cost more for AI to make them take the same amount of turns to build as the player.
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The reason Dido never peaces you out is because you stole her settler like 10 games ago.
The only reason is that the AI is bad and has to cheat to even stand a chance against a human.
When the AI take on personas that store memories. We are already on the brink of losing everything to the bots!! OwO
@@Civlover10 OwO
@@fredrikalfson1541 Try Civ 4, game is balanced.
@@joshmcirish352 That's the one with stacks of doom, right?
“I will lose this game before I give you my city.”
I have never identified with Potato more. 😂
We have all been there. Getting my brother or I out of a war is neigh impossible.
The AI are greedy fux, I offer entire built cities to see what they’d trade for it and they never offer anything at all.
Kristina offering that peace every few turns then making her confused face like *you're* the asshole when you wont surrender, that shit was infuriating.
Literally made me think "oh u act like potato is the warmonger here"
We came for the gameplay. We stayed for Potato's absolute meltdown. LOL
Agreed I'm not a quarter of the way. But the comments have me like a kid on Christmas Eve.
That double take at 4:10 is like the perfect example of "Absolutely flabbergasted"
I came for the meltdown.
There should be a stipulation on that save file that you cannot, under any circumstances, make peace with Sweden unless she cedes the city.
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4:11 that feel when you think you were playing the Cree but suddenly realize you have been secretly playing the Netherlands all along.
you know potato is focused on the game when he says peepeekisis and doesn't crack a joke about it
I'm glad he didn't, that would be insensitive
Sucks when you find out that your nation’s name is a joke in the conqueror’s language.
"You tell me you would play this any other way!"
I would, in fact. SINK EVERYTHING! THE OCEAN WILL CONSUME!
Just find the 1 tile that won't flood and place a city on it, then pump out the polution and flood the entire world for victory by default
In civ 4 called that an ecological victory. Take high ground, pollute & nuke empty tiles.
Passive aggressive Coal mines to cause a global meltdown. I want the sequel to water world.
"Being dragged into a war I wanted nothing to do with" hits too close to home
yeah, *literally close to your home*
26:32 "More military units aren't going to make a difference here"
1:12:20 Still in the war on the verge of social collapse.
Can someone please gif the moment Potato realized all the tiles will flood? It was a moment of pure joy this world truly needs.
As Potato repeatedly admits, he got way too greedy here by forward settling an AI and stealing their natural wonder, especially when he was an easy target with no military. But I think the game could still be won if he had kept his head and played rationally. Sweden repeatedly offered him peace and reparations of 19 GPT if he ceded the city. Potato should have realized that he couldn't beat the AI to crossbows when his science was in the single digits. So he should have taken the peace deal and used the gold to kill Dido and build up his economy. Then he could have returned and killed Sweden. I'd love to see a video where he reloads a save from the war and gives this strategy a try.
sometimes you just say f it and forever war
@@PotatoMcWhiskey "FOR FREEDOM!"
I don't like how you worded that. When talking about defeating Phoenicia specifically, it should be referred to as giving Dido the L.
@@tbush6657 Y'know, I've always wondered what happens to the leaders of civs you conquer. Do they die? Because I'd consider leaving them as regional governors (rather than city governors). It's not like their people dislike them, and they can advise me on ways to keep my new citizens happy and productive. What problems they had that the old leader just couldn't solve.
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Potato McWhiskey: I CHOOSE DEATH OVER DISHONOR
You NEED to play that map with your friends with the singular goal of building as MANY canals as possible.
The battle for the Panama Canal!
Whoever builds the most by turn 200 wins?
Need a canal victory condition
would need to ban China
Can AL join?
Around 16:40 Potato covers one of my least favorite things about playing on higher difficulties in civ. The AI at the start of the game has HUGE bonuses. Multiple settlers. You really can't compete against them for early wonders. And then those bonuses don't scale and the AI just becomes a bowl of mashed potatoes in the mid to late game where the player just runs them over even with the bonuses they get to science/production/etc.
I hope that moving to civ 7 they find a way to create more of a happy medium, where players can't compete for early wonders, always have to watch for a forward settling diety AI that just bum rushes you with settlers from turn 1, and in return the AI scales better into the late game
EDIT: Dido with 69 science on 2 cities (only one campus) on turn 124 proving my point
I agree, the AI players should get less starting bonuses, and more scaling bonuses. Something like a third of their starting bonuses in the Ancient era, and then another stack of the bonuses every era after that. It gives the player more breathing room in the early game and makes the AI more challenging in the mid to late game in situations other than 'haha 2 of your neighbors locked you down in a forever war while someone on the other side of the map steamrolled out of control'.
scaling bonuses are so much more interesting than flat bonuses or starting bonuses, I hope more 4x games consider implementing them, I'd love to play against an AI that starts with modest bonuses but stacks up to +300% yields in the lategame
@@stevedhondt That's an idea too.... if you want to wait around for 2 hours after every turn in the late game while the game simulates every single one of the million possible combinations of actions it CAN take for every single AI and decides on the best course of action.
I think it would be really interesting to explore the possibility of variable ai.
What I mean is, I want a 4x game where the ability of the ai to play the game and make good decisions changes over the course of the game. Or ai that's good at some things, but bad at others.
The problem with civ difficulty is that it's all based on production bonuses and free stuff, rather than computer players actually being any good at the game. Perhaps it's genuinely not possible to code an AI that can beat human players at Civ, at least not while running on home hardware, but given the capabilities of modern ai it feels unlikely.
@@ianking7511 while the idea is very interesting, the problem is that, technically there are too many posibilities in a 4x game like Civ that the AI needs to process through for it to be viable for home PC's. Every turn every city has anything from 20-50 different things it can build, from districts to units to city projects, and the AI needs to have the ability to shift from the currently built target to another one. However each individual city of a 10-15 city empire needs to work together, and not be treated separately, otherwise players will discover this and abuse it against the AI. And that's only taking into account current turn availability.
A good AI would also need to be able to take into account future options: for example, new districts being unlocked, that a normal player DOES take into account when planning cities. A good AI would also need to take into account stuff like trades that can influence it's options: For example a city can build a +3 Campus near the city center. BUT, a human player will also see that if they sell some resources for flat cash, they can now afford to buy two tiles out and that would give them access to a +7 Campus on the edge of the city.
Every extra possible action exponentially increases the amount of iterations of possibilities the AI would need to go trough to reach the best outcome possible, which would lengthen turn timers for the AI to unreasonable levels.
The alternative would be to create an AI that 'learns' to play the game, like how an AI capable of playing Starcraft 2 was created, that eventually was able to compete with the best players in the game, but that 'solution' comes with it's own set of problems.
Problems I see with deity:
1- Early game:
A: Ai starts close to you and you get into a at least 100 turns war, and ai has so much spare production and science there's literally no way for you to keep up, by the time you clear ai's starting army usually they have walls/crossbows. They literally send units down the drain just to keep you from progressing.
B: You try settle, and keep up with the ai in terms of science and culture and until you keep up, forget about any offensive interaction.
2-Mid Game:
You can build wonders ai doesn't prioritize, like petra, colossus, mauseloum, sometimes kilwa etc. You catch up with the ai and this phase of the game is actually decent. If you conquer any ai city though you'll be surprised with how crap it is compared to what they have been pumping out from that city. Ai may attack you sometimes in this phase, but usually doesn't, early wars happen way to often compared to this phase of the game wars. (I'm talking 100-200 turns)
3- Late game: If you have your gameplan established ai doesn't stand any chance against you, doesn't declare wars pretty much at all. Their stupid bonuses start to fall of, since they don't get governments and usually have crappy cities. Ai is super slow on victory conditions, it usually never gets religion victory on it's own even if you take no part in it, pretty slow on science, ocasional civs try culture victory but you can defend against it. There were so many times I was winning mostly because ai decided to not use it's gdr's they have built against me and let me have a peaceful endgame.
Summary: Deity early game is a menace, you hate to have it near you, it ruins games by mindlessly attacking you with sheer power and you never had the chance to do anything. Mid/late ai doesn't attack you usually, and lets you win. Their bonuses aren't enough in the lategame to cover up the stupidty they have. I'd like for the ai to have scaling bonuses through the game so they have more bonuses they have from the standart deity ai in the late game. But they don't start with 3 settlers and 5 warriors they can forward settle + rush you down in the early game, but have a better late game. Also it'd be cool if they tried to actually win. Rather than "let me research every tech I don't ever need before winning".
Basically: problem isn't how hard it is, problem is why and how it is hard.
Oh yeah. Taking AI cities sucks. Like I tried to take a city that had no production, and they just put up mid walls like it was nothing. I ended up getting this forward settled city through loyalty, and it was just painful how long it would even take to get a monument. And the AI only improved one tile...
kinda reminds me of stellaris difficulty, where you they basically scale from default to your set difficulty over the course of the game, getting the highest bonuses by the endgame start year, it keeps the AI kinda relevant, unless you play some kind of tryhard tech-rush build and clown on everything because you are years ahead in technology
Even the better players suddenly start struggling once they cannot gain the tech leverage by the midgame, and every OP Strat involves maxing out technology in one way or another, which of course is fair, but the AI doesnt know that, on Grand Admiral its just ahead by nature due to the 2x modifier on almost everything
Guess the safest map to play on deity difficulty is archipelago since you have less chance to have a neighbor civ
Very shrewd analysis....
On the other hand, git gud
@@roostuidos shut up try harder i didn't even say an offensive word and yet you just came with this comment
This early kristina war reminded of when i played the kongo and kristina spawned like halfway across the map and got super mad at me for getting more great works. AI literally marched a army across the whole map to declare war on me and refused to give up until they were on one dinky city left.
"I will think my way into depression faster than u think!" - This made my day😂😂
I saw when you were recommended this mod on an earlier stream/video and installed it. It generates the craziest maps and I haven't played with like any of the setting properly. The game I have played through was the Dutch, max rivers and ship navigable water ways. My weakest campus was a +4 and most were +6 with one that I got lucky enough to have a +8. It was insane. Also had an insane amount of polders. If you want a game with the Dutch, highly recommend.
What is the mod called? If you don't mind me asking
@@snoopie2253 got lakes, I don't remember who it is by but typing that in should be enough.
I'm sure you aren't surprised that Kristina declared war on you. Whenever Kristina is my neighbor, she cranks out like 5 warriors and declares an early war on me. Whenever she spawns near me, I automatically throw out my plans and start cranking out units. I'd rather spawn next to the Zulu than Kristina. I'm surprised she waited that long.
If expecting them to attack declare war first. The AI falls back to defensive tactics & peaces out sooner.
@@blaubeer8039 I'm talking about 5 more than what she starts with.
Pericles usually does that shit with me. Whenever Pericles spawns as my neighbour I just know it's going to have to be an early war, before he fucks any of my plans up lol
You did a great job of role-playing Gorgo in this run :)
My man's dropping life advice while playing a CIV game, mega chad
38:19
"I will burn my empire to a cinder just to make sure you get nothing from me. That is the level of anger that I have reached right now."
that's... incredibly raw
"I will not be stopped, not by you, or the Confederates, or the Protoss, or anyone... I will rule this sector or see it burnt to ashes around me."
Potato: I'm going to close my eyes.
Also Potato: WHAAAAAAA, HAAAAALP!!!
never let jesus take the wheel. the crazy bastard will take you to awful places
Simple tactic, rush flood bariars, flood the ai, win by surving
If you hit the red X, it's supposed to tell the ai you will not trade it under any circumstance. Dont know if it works right though, I've never used it.
Potato plays too greedy by forward settling and not building a military. Then gets in a war, builds to 250 military strength then refuses to build more military when the AI is on 500-600. Won't take peace to build up his strength and just turtles for like 50 turns. Then he wonders why he can't win a war. Insert shocked Pikachu face.
Some wounds cut deep
@@PotatoMcWhiskey hey spuddy, I'd have done the same, No Apologies!!!!
actually i'm guilty of not building enough army. town defenders. i tend to use archers as scouts. Generally once i get into trouble with someone then anywhere with reasonable production just power builds units. I'm not trying to win the war. i'm just trying to make it miserable enough for them to quit.
Honestly even if he build units there was limited space between him and sweden. Imagine if he was able to get that galley tho.
I am here for the pettiness. I feel so validated for all the times I ruined my own playthrough for the sake of being right and not letting the AI get away with something.
im really enjoying how these mods allow you to show us your plans for settling and using resources, keep up the great vids
When I saw you were placed between Christina and Dido, I knew your chances of a peaceful game was nil. They are two super-aggressive babes.
They're angry cuz they have big ugly noses
Got lakes is a fantastic script, probably my favorite in VI. Setting it to where the entire north half of the map is an icy wasteland gives a fun place to hunt barbs later, especially with a mod that adds barb cities/etc.
I also really love this map. You should do some more of these fully random maps, that's a REALLY cool map!
Dude apocalypse mode with level 6 disaster intensity would be be insane
His reaction to the floodplanes makes me feel like now he understands a bit better what it's like to be dutch.
I think you had the right idea at the beginning though. Rush flood barrier tech, outlive everyone else. 🤣
I had this on the background, like usual with how i watch these. But Potato going off on losing the game before he loses his city and thinking himself into depression before the AI can blink. got me watching with full attention
Really fun video! It's really enjoyable to see you struggle, even if you lose.
A lot of your games seems 'easy', which is probably just because you're playing really well.
I hope you will use this map mod more often!
The AI enmity is part of why we play this cursed game.
Most relatable Civ 6 run I have seen yet. Sometimes the AI just make it personal. :D There is no way I would have ceded the city either.
I just got the Civ6 anthology collection so I’m binging your videos in preparation for playing with all the DLC I didn’t have until now.
Dude, you have some crazy patience here. I'd would have restarted outta there like instantly
I just need to write that this episode was a painful pleasure for me to watch. But I honestly adore how even those who are really skilled (e.g. PotatoMcWhiskey) sometimes share this interesting feeling of stubbornness against the AI wars.
Thank you!
Really excited to watch this. The Cree are my favorite civ in this game
Why Cree in particular?
As like the first video i watch of this game, i really enjoyed it and found it very entertaining even though i didn't understand most of it, thank you for making this Playthrough.
Lady of the marsh and reeds pantheon go brrrttttrrrrttt
Is that the noise of it him bulldozing all his marshes? =P
That's a joke because he never even got much of a chance to, tbh.
I'd love to see another game on this map. What a super interesting explanation, and unfolding of thought and goal!
Please, please, please Spuddy, when are you going to take another crack at that Blob Strategy?! It was awesome and would love to see you crush it next time!
This kinda goes to why I hate playing on deity, AI literally gets to build as many troops as they want without penalty of gold, and nobody hates them for going to war with you, but as soon as you take a city back everyone hates you.
I was really looking forward to seeing how this map turned out with all of the flooding, but alas, I guess it was not to be...
Thanks for the video!
I'd love to play the Dutch on this map!
have been waiting for civ 🤩
Man I was hoping this was a Primordial map but really interested in how this series will go
what an insane map but at the same time the video really educate me on some basic skills like city planning, and how to lay out those areas to maxmize the bonus
I love the chaos of this video. Definitely makes me want to give it a go!
Havnt seen your videos in a while as they all seem to be easy wins for you, but this was actually fun!! Please suffer more :D
Hi there Potato, just wondering if you've ever been interested in trying out this mod called Civilizations Expanded. I've been messing around with its complete overhaul of the civs in the game and it makes the game incredibly interesting and different. Would be fun to see you try it out!
He played it on a stream many months ago!
@@Chinag Is there a video?
I'll check it out maybe do a mod spotlight!
Would love to see this mod, makes for some very fun/interesting games!
@@PotatoMcWhiskey a series of mod spotlight videos would be cool. I'd like to recommend checking out the CIVITAS - City States Expanded mod. I really like it, 4 new additional city state types, redesigned envoy bonuses, loads more city states with better placement and they start with Ancient Walls to make them tougher.
How do I submit a map for him to play? I found the dumbest start. I actually laughed when I found it.
I think his discord
A screenshot and email?
My first map was blocked on all 4 sides by mountains.
@@stormtruppen4039 how do I find his email?
@@lapisdragon1237 maybe potato will see this comment and drop his email here. Or maybe check his channel description to see if he has an email there
I'm only 10 mins into this video but I would love to play this "everything WILL flood" map with a naval civ or at least a civ with a strong naval unit like Brazil. Once everyone is restricted to whatever the protected with flood barriers it's all about how well you can command your navy.
Looks cool and crazy bro🤜🤛
Hey Potato,
I’ve been going back and watching some of your old civ 6 videos and stumbled across your recreation of the roman empire playlist and loved every second of it. I was wondering if you would be interested in doing another large scale tsl europe on marathon speed with all the new updated civs. maybe do it as scotland, norway, hungry, spain, or a central europe civ. I think it would be super entertaining with all the updates civ has made in the past 3 years!
Seems like the AI put a huge weight on that natural wonder and went all out to take it.
Finally
The best map to build canals .. a lot of canals !!!
Hungary looks like it would be good here too, bonus to build districts ACROSS rivers from the City Center!
I like how when you decline the Swedish peace offer she gives you a look like "What did you just say to me? Speak swedish?"
Forget about coastal flooding. Blizzards are so ridiculously devastating in this game for now on I am putting disaster intensity on zero when I play Canada or Russia. I used to think it was just apocalypse mode, but when I played Canada on disaster intensity 2, within 10 turns all of my districts and tile improvements in my biggest cities got pillaged or completely destroyed. I feel like the game persecutes me with the weather sometimes, and those crippling blizzards are ridiculous. Like how am I supposed to compete with deity AI Babylon when all my districts need to be rebuilt?
I completely agree. Blizzards are absurd in this game. And you will notice that they deliberately aim themselves at all your improvements. It's the reason I turned off apocalypse mode. If you are Russia or Canada a blizzard can just cripple you.
Three in a row is basically starting a new game out of frustration. Are blizzards that damaging in real life?
The District map mode idea is a must, it would be such a game changer
that reference from the deep is maybe about James and the giant peach?
It's what popped into my mind at least
This looks so awesome! I'd love to see more full random starts with this map script if this is the result 😮
I'm so new to the game that most of this makes absolutely no sense to me but the commentary is priceless.
Wow, seeing all that desert just made me want to play Mansa Musa with the reeds and marshes pantheon.
You can use that map script to make a completely desert world. I did it with Mali once and it was a cake walk, as I could settle everywhere and the AI couldn't get any population to keep up.
that mom joke you made earned you a subscribe I'm not gonna lie potato I've been watching you for probably 2 years now and I dont know why I haven't subscribed
wow, I suggested that on a stream, very cool that potato is playing it
The way I see it, after that early game the only recourse is to flood them all..
I hope you take some time to look through the Got Lakes mod. Both the variety and specificy it allows to suit whatever you fancy playing (or randomising) means that i never play a map that isnt created by the mod (unless its a workshop map). Its great omce you get used to it
I have been a perfectworld fanatic for years but Got Lakes actually got me switching over.
I feel you on this one. In planetfall something similar happened to me and I have no idea how to win that save. There's an alliance of 5 npcs and one has an active doomsday(which somehow hasn't won them the game yet). I panicked when the doomsday reached 3 and declared war and now I'm at war with like 4-5 people at once, while being in a corner of the continent.
I couldn't stop laughing every time you said Peepeekisis
"Uhhhhh huh?" - P. McW.
Reminds me of a recent start as Alex on a TSL Earth map with Poland, Ottomans and Basil also in the game. Poland and Ottomans both declared on me before turn 20. It honestly was worse than this video, since I only had room for one more city and had really poor production and growth. Even though I held on for a bit (since my capital was fairly defensible), I ended up losing to loyalty pressure.
That was an INTENSE early game. What doesnt kill you, makes you stronger.
Glorious. Cannot wait for v2.
Completely fine potato doesn't lose his mind.
Good stuff.
I will never grow tired of hearing potato rapidly say peepeekisses.
I'm a new player, I've been struggling a lot with deity, I was noticing the same thing. Seems like it just gets way too much for free well into the game. Glad to see I'm not the only one. I've played a bunch of other civs, been playing civ 6 for about 2 weeks, really like the new mechanics it has.
55:39 reference to "centipede" by knife party
Don't give up on this playthorough, Potato! It was awesome seeing a hard game for a professional youtuber, cus usually every game is just ridiculously easy.
Beeing stuck in infinite war with strong neighbours is basicaly the history of Europe. I truly think that you can change the tide of the game by occupying other continents, developing a strong scientific and industrial infrastructure, and than having your revange on late game war.
Come on, man, you can do this!
the fact that you can mark a deal term as unacceptable to keep an AI from requesting it and that Potato never did slightly killed me with the city being ceded/not ceded 😅
When I tried that map scrip I made the most wildest maps XD It's insane.
Just an observation, but in every game where Sweden spawns next to me, they will declare an early surprise war without fail. They will be friendly later if I choose not to annihilate them, but spawning next to Sweden is an immediate warning that I need to prioritise military early on.
“Sounds like Friday night at your mom’s house” 😂😂💀
LOL, dead!👍🏻
We need a tab that shows your military breakdown. That way you don’t have to go hunting for units later in the game when you’re looking to upgrade them. Open a page and it lists all your units and their ranks and where they are.
Yes, like in Civilization V.
this feels like all the humankind maps i play on because i always go river spawn maximum lol
Everything can flood! Start building Noah!
"You thought you can ruin my day? I am the master on ruining my day"
Truer words have never been spoken, but I would have thought I'd have said them.
This is the type of game i start with the idea of science, then turn to domination just because i have a bone to pick with sweden and phoenicia and the resulting grievances will force my hand lol
This game reminds me of my own last game: Played as the Khmer and spawned in a pretty good place, got early faith from a luxury and could grab the production on Marshes pantheon. Then Cleopatra decided to forwards settle and box me in from the north even though she had hundreds of empty tiles to the north of her capital, she went and settled 3 cities to the south and declared war on me, and because she kept it up for so long with her stupid chariot archers, Cyrus who spawned to my Southwest also started forward settling me. I finally managed to get a peace with Cleo on turn 80, but now I'm stuck on three 3 population cities (because of course natural disasters constantly hit me), with barely enough land to my south to possibly settle 3 more... if Cyrus doesn't claim them before I get a chance.
this was really interesting to watch.
Beelining x-bows with 9 science per turn. Feelswowman
Potato, you take the right side of the archer promotions for the bonus strength against districts. However, the second left side promotion ALSO applies when attacking districts, while at the same time giving more strength against units. I don't think that's how it's SUPPOSED to work, but it does. As a result, the left side are almost always better, unless you're defending from districts.
I learned so much watching this.
Oh no, Potato! You've accidently made the whole world The Netherlands!
I would love for an apocalypse version of the map where Potato settles the high ground and pumps out coal factories until the oceans rise, wiping out his foes
I wish there was a difficulty mode where you can play vs Diety but without them starting with extra settlers and settlers cost more for AI to make them take the same amount of turns to build as the player.