This guy used to be fairly amiable and vague when he phoned into TH-cam shows like the Atheist Experience with standard apologetic questions. Now he's picked up presup and has become horribly smug and aggressive. He popped up on AE last night , got very stroppy almost immediately and got told to eff off.
“Oh yeah, it’s an ultimate being” Just imagine being some random dweeb and having this level of arrogance in the face of your own undeniable inability to know such a thing. The egotism of it all is staggering. The one statement alone is enough and the hollow confidence with which it’s delivered. There is nothing of value that could possibly follow.
"If you smash a radio, are you destroying music or are you destroying a receptor? Answer yes or no only!" - Baked Alaska Too great to not point it out.
Reminds me of that scientific paper in which Christian researchers said that "the Japanese don't understand the uniformity of nature", or something. They asked on a quiz, "how can you be sure that the lengthening of a spring is proportional to the tension?" The American student group predominantly responded, "because there is a *law of nature* saying that it's proportional!" The Japanese students tend to respond, "because I can test it and check again". Which the researchers considered to be the *wrong* answer. The irony is, Hooke's law of springs is a mere approximation, it *doesn't* actually hold in nature.
Everything the panel said could’ve been wrong (although it wasn’t) and it still doesn’t mean he’s right. I didn’t actually hear any argument. The presup deductive argument isn’t sound & it doesn’t demonstrate that the Christian God exists. It’s more of a tactic than it is an argument. Unfortunately for him, the panel are too sharp to fall for it
Causation can be observed. Correlation is not causation, but a *specific pattern* of correlations *is* causation. If anything, their God seems to be "revealing" to them all the *wrong* things about causation! Exactly those cases where actual observable data disagrees with them. The "good" cases can be worked out without any God.
Whew. I made it to the 38:23 mark so far. It's amazing how a debate like this can be both entertaining and painful to listen to at the same time. Is this guy Baked the same one from youtube infamy from years back? If not, then what is it about that handle that attracts the dimmest of bulbs? This guy thinks if he can get one good gotchya question, therefore the buybull is true. He's so lost in the weeds. PP did a good job.
"Kinda surprised I'm getting pushback" Because you're trying, right off the bat, to push atheism into a worldview instead of being just the answer to one question
@realBreakfasttacos When he denied that it "couldn't be delusion" he would have to accept the revelation of people who committed crimes in the name of God. Like drowni g children. Because if he denies that, he opens up delusion again
Also, how come when you say that it was revealed to you, we should just take you at your word. But when we say it wasn’t revealed to us, we are lying? That’s a shocking double standard, something which presuppositionalism seems full of. (F.y.I that’s a BAD thing).
@@realBreakfasttacos Sense data is not reliable. They would have to show that what they think was revealed was actually real. They can’t escape this, no matter how much they try.
"Either your god exists and consists of energy, or he doesn't consist of energy and doesn't exist." "We're using a lot of undefined terms, here." LOL. Energy is an undefined term? These people are charlatans, all.
Mark, the reason I want to give someone else their wallet back is that I understand how incredibly difficult it is to replace all that stuff in a wallet. So, I'm using empathy. If someone loses a hotel room keycard, I'm just going to leave it there or pick it up and throw it away, because those have very little value, and are very easy to replace. The other thing that can't be denied about returning the wallet is that humans get a really nice chemical boost in the brain when they do things like that. A theist might think that's "just chemicals", but your brain (you) really appreciates that chemical influx. I also want to address the "there are no long term consequences." I don't know about Mark, but I have many cringe memories of things I wish I hadn't done or said. I still remember a pointless lie I told about throwing away holiday decorations. Baked obviously is talking about "eternity" being the long term, not one's life. So, to his presupposed universal timeline, our life seems to just be a test and to be cruelly short. "Altruistic behavior may also trigger the brain's reward circuitry -- the 'feel-good' chemicals like dopamine and endorphins, and perhaps even a morphine-like chemical the body naturally produces, Fricchione explains."
I just want to note that it's not just PT scans and MRI's that show brain activity, but the good ol' eeg machine will show that. For instance, you can look at an epileptic's eeg and see the waves that indicate epilepsy, even if the person isn't seizing. Baked should ask someone who has had a tonic clonic seizure what they remember from such an experience when their brain essentially turns off. Spoiler- nothing.
28:23, or thereabouts, "in what other way does a human being interact with reality?" Neither presup nor idealist has a good answer for this, and they will always fall down on the basis of personal, direct experience.
You know, this thing where you and Planet Peterson share the same videos make it hard to support both of you with my viewing. Though you tend to have a bit more because he focuses more on his interactions.
These theists just can't form an argument without borrowing, well, stealing, from Taco's worldview 😜 So unrighteous.
This is correct!
This guy used to be fairly amiable and vague when he phoned into TH-cam shows like the Atheist Experience with standard apologetic questions. Now he's picked up presup and has become horribly smug and aggressive. He popped up on AE last night , got very stroppy almost immediately and got told to eff off.
Baked Alaska is always an interesting conversation lol
"I'm 10 steps ahead of you" was the most real I've heard PP be in a while.
LOL yeah
The only correct response to "I'm X steps ahead of you" is "Only X?"
“Oh yeah, it’s an ultimate being”
Just imagine being some random dweeb and having this level of arrogance in the face of your own undeniable inability to know such a thing. The egotism of it all is staggering. The one statement alone is enough and the hollow confidence with which it’s delivered. There is nothing of value that could possibly follow.
LOL
"If you smash a radio, are you destroying music or are you destroying a receptor? Answer yes or no only!" - Baked Alaska
Too great to not point it out.
LOL
The temperature that water boils at is a fundamental part of reality 🤦♂️
LOL
Reminds me of that scientific paper in which Christian researchers said that "the Japanese don't understand the uniformity of nature", or something.
They asked on a quiz, "how can you be sure that the lengthening of a spring is proportional to the tension?"
The American student group predominantly responded, "because there is a *law of nature* saying that it's proportional!"
The Japanese students tend to respond, "because I can test it and check again". Which the researchers considered to be the *wrong* answer.
The irony is, Hooke's law of springs is a mere approximation, it *doesn't* actually hold in nature.
Everything the panel said could’ve been wrong (although it wasn’t) and it still doesn’t mean he’s right. I didn’t actually hear any argument. The presup deductive argument isn’t sound & it doesn’t demonstrate that the Christian God exists. It’s more of a tactic than it is an argument. Unfortunately for him, the panel are too sharp to fall for it
I'm sure everyone appreciates that lol.
The dissonant ability to talk oneself into a circle and claim it’s a straight line always makes me chuckle
Causation can be observed. Correlation is not causation, but a *specific pattern* of correlations *is* causation.
If anything, their God seems to be "revealing" to them all the *wrong* things about causation! Exactly those cases where actual observable data disagrees with them. The "good" cases can be worked out without any God.
I get real tired of the correlation isn't causation response. It is just special pleading to dismiss something they don't like in cases like this.
Whew. I made it to the 38:23 mark so far. It's amazing how a debate like this can be both entertaining and painful to listen to at the same time. Is this guy Baked the same one from youtube infamy from years back? If not, then what is it about that handle that attracts the dimmest of bulbs?
This guy thinks if he can get one good gotchya question, therefore the buybull is true. He's so lost in the weeds. PP did a good job.
I'm pretty sure this is a different guy.
Oh, shit, wrong guy
"Kinda surprised I'm getting pushback" Because you're trying, right off the bat, to push atheism into a worldview instead of being just the answer to one question
This is a great point!
@realBreakfasttacos When he denied that it "couldn't be delusion" he would have to accept the revelation of people who committed crimes in the name of God. Like drowni g children. Because if he denies that, he opens up delusion again
Also, how come when you say that it was revealed to you, we should just take you at your word. But when we say it wasn’t revealed to us, we are lying? That’s a shocking double standard, something which presuppositionalism seems full of. (F.y.I that’s a BAD thing).
Because they would be rejecting sense data or reason
@@realBreakfasttacos Sense data is not reliable. They would have to show that what they think was revealed was actually real. They can’t escape this, no matter how much they try.
“I gave you the answer”=“I said some words”.
Yep
"Either your god exists and consists of energy, or he doesn't consist of energy and doesn't exist." "We're using a lot of undefined terms, here." LOL. Energy is an undefined term? These people are charlatans, all.
Absolutely.
Mark, the reason I want to give someone else their wallet back is that I understand how incredibly difficult it is to replace all that stuff in a wallet. So, I'm using empathy.
If someone loses a hotel room keycard, I'm just going to leave it there or pick it up and throw it away, because those have very little value, and are very easy to replace.
The other thing that can't be denied about returning the wallet is that humans get a really nice chemical boost in the brain when they do things like that. A theist might think that's "just chemicals", but your brain (you) really appreciates that chemical influx.
I also want to address the "there are no long term consequences." I don't know about Mark, but I have many cringe memories of things I wish I hadn't done or said. I still remember a pointless lie I told about throwing away holiday decorations.
Baked obviously is talking about "eternity" being the long term, not one's life. So, to his presupposed universal timeline, our life seems to just be a test and to be cruelly short.
"Altruistic behavior may also trigger the brain's reward circuitry -- the 'feel-good' chemicals like dopamine and endorphins, and perhaps even a morphine-like chemical the body naturally produces, Fricchione explains."
Great points!
I just want to note that it's not just PT scans and MRI's that show brain activity, but the good ol' eeg machine will show that. For instance, you can look at an epileptic's eeg and see the waves that indicate epilepsy, even if the person isn't seizing.
Baked should ask someone who has had a tonic clonic seizure what they remember from such an experience when their brain essentially turns off. Spoiler- nothing.
Great points!
6:51 I love it when you say that. And I like the way you say it. 😂
LOL Thank you!
28:23, or thereabouts, "in what other way does a human being interact with reality?"
Neither presup nor idealist has a good answer for this, and they will always fall down on the basis of personal, direct experience.
Great point!
wow, so sad to se Baked as a presup but not surprised, I blame Pinecreek for this, for that one time he put a stop to his nonsense
Baked has been presupp for a long time.
What is a breakfast taco? Burrito sure. But it really sounds good.
It's just a breakfast burrito tbh lol
So the brain is just an antenna (radio) and your thoughts are beamed into it (radiowaves)?
Or does he think a radio produces music on it’s own?
Who even knows at this point.
Did he ACTUALLY get cereal 😂😂😂
Yes!
You know, this thing where you and Planet Peterson share the same videos make it hard to support both of you with my viewing. Though you tend to have a bit more because he focuses more on his interactions.
Amy Newman, and Randolf Richardson also stream the show lol.
@@realBreakfasttacos I'll probably check them out then. 👍
@@lordlaughypants5889 They are awesome too.
Sooooo, a god is a radio station?
Yes!
I think you’re great Taco, but the “naaaaaturalistic aaaaaatheistic reaaaaality” is pretty grating on the ears dude.
That disappoints me :(
@@realBreakfasttacosmaybe tone it down a notch.
Math IS a language 🤦🏿♂️
Yes it is!
Peterson’s insufferability made atheist me root for Baked.
LOL
I thought it was insufficient =)
wait isn't Baked Alaska a literal neonazi? Am I thinking of someone else? Someone else using the same name?
Same name different person
@@realBreakfasttacos makes way more sense, ok.
I thought the same, but the voice doesn’t match the N@zi dude.
And what would be wrong with that? Where are the based r c*st atheists from before? Pansy