Elite Dangerous - Fleet Carriers Refuelling
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- I take a look at the availability and cost of Tritium in order to refuel the carrier and return it back from the Pleiades Star Cluster. Players can use the Tritium Depot at the Fleet Carriers in order to achieve this.
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Even the Thargoids don't want anything to do with fleet carriers.
Maybe we don't hear from them anymore because they went into soul crushing debt and couldn't pay the fuel bill anymore?
"Even the Thargoids don't want anything to do with fleet carriers.
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You mean flee carriers.
Weren't they supposed to start a major attack or something? Actually I never saw one when I used to play the grind. Oops! I meant game. :)
Nice one! LOL!
All these videos about fleet carriers in ED made me actually log into NMS to appreciate how my carrier in that game doesn't suffer from *any* of these problems.
Went to X4 myself.
@@RubberStig I own literally every other open world space game on Steam, and have a bunch in Star Citizen. I really need to give X4 a try
@@Operander_L Do give it a try. I'm sure you will enjoy it based on your extensive library!
I feel like the fuel rats are going to set up a tritium division at this rate...
Not wven the fuel rats would waste their time
The fuel rats wouldn't be able to sustain there operations if they asked
Considering the cost, it would bankrupt the rats in pretty short order. Every aspect of carriers is a money pit and Fdev need to take a long, serious look at themselves and what they think players are doing in the game.
"Thanks for refuelling my FC! The Fuel Rats are Awesome!"
"You're Most Welcome! That will be 183,750,000 credits for the tritium please!"
I'd be fine with them charging for the Tritium costs if they did
Refueling a carrier by parking it in orbit around a neutron star would be a great idea
@Higgs Bonbon There aren't enough neutron stars really
@@GedUK Even better, that would be a perfect way to find carriers in the galaxy, and a perfect aggregation point for them
@GiRayne I guess you could say since it's a neutron star it scoops the star and refines it into fuel? After all we can do that with normal stars and tritium is an isotope of hydrogen, so uuh why not bend science a slight bit?
If you're going to be paying a weekly upkeep cost, you'd think the maintenance cost would at the very least include refueling.
Don't be silly. Then we wouldn't have the 1,752nd reason to grind...
What, you want to actually enjoy the game and have fun?
Top 10 jokes on my list
From reading FB & the Beta Feedback forum, I think I can safely say that the Fleet Carriers haven't gone down in the way FDev may have hoped they would
Is there any part of this entire update that isn't exclusively a credit sink?
So far carriers simply seem like movable stations that force you to return every so often to sink even more credits into them. There's no incentive to buy a carrier aside from bragging rights, masochism or extreme boredom. What kind of developer releases an update of this size, that's accessible only to the very most dedicated players right from the get-go, and then discourages everyone from bothering with it by introducing even more mechanics like having to wait literal hours to move between systems and weekly upkeep costs that are in the tens of millions?
I'm still really hoping they'll revise this content eventually, but this completely makes me lose faith in Frontier.
You can cue in CQC now while in normal gameplay. That's it.
I'm sure that with the backlash regarding the upkeep that these prices will go down.
@@thehipinmyear certainly hope so, otherwise we're all writing angry comments for nothing
It'll be a 5 steps forward one step back scenario at best. I agree with Ant that prices need to go down by 90%, it's not gonna happen though.
@@smkks When FD sets their minds on screwing the playerbase, nothing stops them. Not reasoned arguments, not even dwindling playerbase. I'm starting to wonder who this game is for. I've had to keep re-evaluating why I play, while I find myself coming back less and less. As it stands I'm running out of ways to justify it. The carriers fired my imagination as an explorer, hoping to go out and spend time in the Black with mine. As it stands, if these prices don't change there's no reason to even try.
Man this looks like such a chore. I just wanted one built for exploration. Hell, to be honest, I don't even need to be able to sell exploration data at them(tho i'm not gonna say it wouldn't be a good addition). Just give me a ship to carry myself and my squadron out into the black with no upkeep(or a massively reduced upkeep) and a further jump range.
@Zexion Almasy I think his point was for him and a bunch of friends to go together in a carrier. Many people can't afford a suped up anaconda so a carrier that could take everyone there would be more helpful, as they could all explore it together instead of only the select few who can make the jumps themselves. Do correct me if I'm wrong.
Soooo don’t buy one maybe? I’m not really sure why people think they have to? I’m not going to get one but I’ll use ones people make and maybe down the line they’ll make them worth while. Everyone said mining was sucky until they made it viable. Carriers are just another thing that might be a novelty to some people or a badge of honor to own for them... to each his own. Don’t buy it if you don’t want to. Nobody says you have to.
@@GokouZWAR Yes, because not buying things adds to content. lol.
I wanted one for exploration so I can bring ships that I would never use for that purpose but would be fun to have. Like taking my souped up Eagle for blasting around deep canyons.
@@GokouZWAR Mate, settle down. It's in Beta, which is exactly the time for people to be giving their opinions on what they think should be improved. Not sure why you are bouncing around these comments trying to stop people voicing their opinions, feedback is a vital part of the development process. It would be worse if everyone stayed quiet and they put this out and no one used them, a whole lot of development time for nothing. Better they are told as early as possible that they are heading in the wrong direction and less precious development time is wasted pushing FC's in a direction very few appear to want.
twenty million credits just to jump 500 LY this is absolutely hilarious.
pocket money :D
@@matyi1656 Not for people that can't play the game at any kind of stability.
If you wanted to go anywhere on the edge of the milky way itd cost billions. Ive done the Sag A/ colonia/ beagle/ then bubble is around 3000 jumps which would equate to 60 billion in fuel and 6000 hours of charge and reboot. Frontier has a weird sense of humor.
@GiRayne Why? "PeRSoNAl FLeEt CaRriErs" should be able go wherever the fuck I want. Why would I even bother buying this shit? I can just transfer ships to station's AND IT will be CHEAPER
@GiRayne Supposedly youd take the carrier out that far for the coveted 500 ly jump range it has, to reach areas that were unreachable even by a jumpaconda in neutron mode. Id be down, but the upkeep needs to go as well as the charge up/ cooldown time frame. I agree that it all can't be positives to the player tho, otherwise no adventure. But it needs to be different negatives. Frontiers just too lazy about it. They just want to deal in numbers and typed out paragraphs with this game. Hopefully after beta will make sense, but i doubt it. It's not like they have anything up their sleeve. All fdev could do is subtract completely or lessen.
A reminder to everyone that all this can be yours(fully fitted) for the small monthly fee of a federal Corvette. lol
Weekly*
HMS Chocolate Teapot. Because thats how useful it is.
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I just don't really understand what the actual point of a fleet carrier *is*.
It's clear they don't want everybody to own one, it's an end-game prestige ship that's supposed to act as a focus for you and your online buddies, right. That's cool.
Except your buddies don't get any stake in the ownership and can't contribute to it in any way except buying parts from it, or fueling it up.
You could set it up as a trading outpost, but its overheads are so high and (player only) traffic to it will be so low there's no way to turn a profit there.
Plus you can already trade at stations, so...
There's no way for carriers to interact with other carriers. Can you imagine two rival squadrons facing off with their carriers backing them up?
Seems like a carrier exists just so you can jump you and a few of your buddies ships 500LY, but then you get there and...what? mine for fuel?
Yea that's how the majority of the playerbase feels. All this effort they could of created new content or anything to bring life into the game but they didn't.
Thank you for this content, 'Ant. Very enlightening. Also, enjoyed the in-cockpit view of the jump from your previous video - I enjoyed getting to see that parallax during the transition. Very cool!
“A full 500 LY jump will cost about 20 million credits.” Because of course it does.
You just spent 5 billion on the carrier. 20 million is nothing. I’m sitting on a half a billion myself right now. If you got the money to own one, 20 million is cheap compared to the total cost. 47 million a week to run a fully kitted carrier never mind the cost of goods sold in it or ships for you to buy. Nobody who owns a carrier is crying over 20 million.
GokouZWAR true enough. If it was the only running cost, there wouldn’t be much of a problem. The point is that it is a single jump that still takes 2 hours, which can be made for free (with a fuel scoop) in about ten minutes. Every new piece of info just adds to my disappointment.
I really don't get this fleet carrier push. Does this serve or punish people that regularly play the game? (Don't answer that - we know) It is rare to find a developer so out of touch with its player base.
This carrier seems like a punishment not a reward for dedication to the game. Space sim MMO equivalent of self-flagillation.
Well there is Star Citizen. Never has a developer been more in touch with it's player base in denial.
Blizzard would want a word about that of being a dev out of touch with it's player base
When you don't have any fun content to add. Just implement grind - FDEV
Grind, grind, grind away, grind your mind away
Merrily merrily merrily merrily life is grind away.
-sobbing-
-Yamiks
Devs been smoking onion head
"We don't want to waste your time."
*proceeds to waste your time*
So, 147 Mio. per week upkeep for a full equiped Carrier, + ~20 Mio for two jumps... never saw so much fail from a developer since years. It just seems they don't know how to work with Elite anymore.
2 years for this in development also. It's so bad, i find no words for that.
You can't even fly that thing yourself. Just watch, do some stuff, jump 500ly (That's the only good thing, for explorer groups.) and *trade* somehow.
Gosh... feels like just two people working anymore on that game, while the rest just works on other stuff. They got their money out of the game to start other brands, now it's done.
@Urazz Think that's right, yes.
Commander: Elite has stoped working, how can i fix this?
FD helpdesk: Have you tried tossing more money at it?
Commander: its not working...
FD helpdesk: well i'm out of ideas, thanks for the money though...
I'm just hoping they'll listen to the feedback on the beta and do as the community asks. FC look to be something great, if only they were both more accessible and less grindy
How do they even look to be something great?
Even ignoring the absurd costs, FCs are basically just a menu and a copy/paste hangar/landing pad. No cockpit, can't even watch the ship jump, can't use it as a new way of making money, can't actually fly them except for jumping which takes ages. They don't do anything except sit there and eat money. They don't even look nice, they just look like reused landing pad assets slapped together on a big scrapheap challenge frame. It took them 2 years just to give players a personal landing pad and a new menu to throw money at.
I think FDEV no longer want to improve this game but they need people to keep logging in to buy ARX so the share holders are happy. But its been so long since FDEV implemented anything big so they were forced by community opinion to add Fleet Carriers but again, they don't actually want to add anything in the first place.
Let me guess. They originaly wanted to release 3 carrier variants but now there is only one carrier and you buy diferent upgrades.
The original three diferent carriers will be sold as skins in the ARX market.
Yep, like they're 'stuck' cause they told people theyd do it. Same with the dlc probably. Like a company that tells people 'no everythings fine!' while they're actively shtting down two days before firing everyone. So here we have a skeleton crew cancelling game features and taking months and months to push this lame system out, stringing people along until it's out and they can be done with it.
If I'm wrong, they could fix all that by just sharing their thoughts, roadmap, or communicating more with us.
They delayed it only to make them completely undesirable, this feature will wither and die due to it's absurd upkeep and gimped functionality.
They will definitely have to tune it down a little so it isnt a pisstake or be unworthy it
@@forwarduntodawn1000 "little" They would need to reduce costs by 90%, just to redeem themselves from this insult
So....what does the pilot do with the carrier? Not what does the carrier do for others, what does the PILOT do? Do you control capital ship gun batteries? Do you control AI fighter ships and tell them what to attack? Looks like it just sits there and the pilot goes back to do whatever ED player dose...watch netflix.
Yup, the most nothing in a big update I've seen. Can't do anything with the carrier cause you'll be too busy slaving away every moment to pay for it.
I was looking forward to fleet carriers, can't see the attraction now, not downloading the beta
Well done Frontier, the new era is going to be awesome.... "THE DEFINITION OF INSANITY IS DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND GETTING THE SAME RESULT, BUT EXPECTING A DIFFERENT ONE".
More frequent Obsidian Ant Elite Dangerous videos.. I am happy.
Hey guys maybe if we all join forces, we can maintain ONE fleet carrier between us. Jesus
Oh well maybe my LTP will be worth it at the end of the year. Meanwhile it's back to X4, SC, DCS and the list of so many other games that are fun to play. Thanks for the update Ant, you are my ED goto person now that I don't play it anymore. ;)
Wow, this is such a bullcrap. Look like carriers are gonne be another chore...
Not for me, infact fleet carriers are gonna be super easy. It's probably because I won't bother with them though.
@@SpaaaaceMaan You do know you have to pay upkeep right
@@SpaaaaceMaan why you should at least give fleet carriers a chance come on man i am going to start saving up my fleet carrier for exploration and trading and maybe mining I didn't know what I should name it yet
Nobody said you have to buy one, so don’t. It’s just like anything else in the game. Don’t do it if you don’t want to.
@@Tensho_C You clearly didn't read his comment.
I have a feeling it’s going to be EXTREMELY rare for anyone to haul a carrier out to a place like beagle point.
I have a feeling it's going to be extremely rare for anyone to BUY a carrier at this rate.
Kuro_Neko I hope so. It would be kind of sad to go out to beagle point and be greeted with a bunch of fleet carriers.
One of the nice things about that place is how far out you are from civilization.
Would be nice to have a bunch of carriers positioned along the way for supplies tho.
I don’t know why everyone is crying about the cost. It’s like everyone wants one but they don’t want to do the work. It’s just like everything else in this game, do it if you want to. Don’t do it if you don’t. No point in crying about it or complaining. If you don’t buy one how does it hurt your game? Go back to LTD mining, or even void opals. Do what’s fun for you and ignore the carriers if you don’t think it’s fun. Some people will do it because they think it’s fun to have one. When they don’t think it’s fun, they won’t own it. Simple as that.
I dont think thats even really possible. With the jump time and cooldown, and refueling it would take YEARS to get that far away
Binary Ascension
Depends on how long it takes to mine the fuel. The jump time would take about a month of playing 12 hours a day every day and always jumping on time but it would probably take longer than 2 hours to mine the fuel. Considering people have taken the time to go around the outer circumference of the galaxy, I’m sure someone will do it just to say they did it.
I never thought I would leave Elite but I am seriously thinking about trying NMS. I must have a cigar and beer to decide. The Fleet Carrier thing is an absolute heart breaker. My dad died before these details came out. He was super excited for the experience of us doing this carrier thing together. This would have crushed him.
Sorry to hear of your heart-breaking loss :(
@Higgs Bonbon Yup. Tried it and its a no. The beers helped me decide to stay with Elite and thank you for the advice.
Back when there was going to be multiple carriers and support ships it seemed like these were intended to be like an space-RV.
But now it seems more like they’re space trailer homes.
Ie yeah they can technically be moved if it’s absolutely necessary. But they’re really not meant to on a regular basis.
Seems carriers are basically intended to be parked in one place for days or weeks or months at a time.
Since FDev started working on other IPs Elite dangerous has gone to shit... It's like they don't care about the game anymore
My god this is depressing
One thing I will say regarding all of this is that a US carrier that recently finished being built, IRL, whose construction was delayed and went over budget, came out at a whopping 13 billion dollars - these things are EXTREMELY expensive to build and maintain...
However, having played this game hardcore since GPP on XBox, and though I may not have been procuring credits heavily, if at all, consistently, I do personally feel that my insane dedication to the game - I RARELY play anything else - SHOULD be rewarded by allowing me to freely maintain a carrier without having to pay the calculated SEVEN BILLION credits a year, assuming I'm using every service. I currently have just over 10 billion, and I plan on acquiring more, but if I have to spend that much money a year on the carrier, then it simply will not be fun.
YES, I most definitely probably sound petty and like I'm asking for everything to be handed to me, but that's not the case.
They clearly want us to play more, but I HAVE been playing... A LOT... and I don't believe charging 7 billion a year is the way to keep people "grinding", let alone bring people back to the game.
The upkeep should be reduced. FULL STOP.
I would even say increase the initial purchase cost, if need be, but for fek's sake, reduce the operating costs.
FDev: omg they mine so much they must love mining. let's make them mine some more for FUEL. MINE FOR FUEL. or mine LTD to buy it.
Elite: Mining
Fleet carrier first hour already a big chore.... Gdamn FDEV!
The best part is, this amazing gameplay only costs you 40mil credits per week.
His build came out to 140 mil a week.
Thanks for the correction. Surely this is a late april fools joke from FD.
140 mil a week is nothing for someone who just spent 5 bil on the ship itself. Most people who own them will have 20 bil or more already. I think this is pretty cool cuz now we can mine for players who will actually use something we harvest instead of selling stuff to the ether just so the system can hand us money, and it’ll be player cash that is redistributed to other players. It’s an ACTUAL economy. I wish we could build our own ships from materials harvested instead of buying them. Go out and harvest titanium, copper, all those metals and build a ship from it, just like in Eve online. Have players build them, sell the ships from their carriers... this could be the best thing they ever made if they do it right.
This thing has been out less than a day and everyone is basing fleet carriers on the beta build youtuber’s are playing on. Why not let them finish the beta before you go criticize them?
Criticism is exactly the point of the beta, besides the technical testing. Also I've seen enough betas in my life (not limited to ED) to know that not much will change between the beta and what will go live. You can quote me on that the moment the patch goes live.
140mil per week is objectively absolute insanity. The only reason I could see for anyone to defend this is if they made trillions from credit exploits in the past - which is totally fine. At least until FD introduces credit sinks like this which then basically exclude most of the player base from the only meaningful new feature in ED in over a year. Whats even more insane is the suspended upkeeping cost. People do take breaks from playing ED, sometimes weeks sometimes months. Have fun paying 70mil/week for literally nothing.
@@GokouZWAR Because if you don't criticize now, there is less change that they change anything.
And there are enough players who maybe could afford a carrier. But don't want to have the upkeep. And refuel costs. And to wait 2 hours between jumps.
Not everyone likes mining in Elite.
I’m losing faith in Fdev
I feel it's quite an understatement... Most ppl lost faith in FDevs long time ago, from what I've learned
@@90Ferd yeah, i'm not gonna touch that grind game ever again
@@90Ferd I did not play that game for two years now, just watching the development and facepalming from update to update. This is so sad because i really like the core game but there is just no reason for me to play it anymore. It is just endless grind.
Same. i grinded up 12 bill for fleet carries last year just to get something that constantly drains my credit balance locks me into playing with the threat of losing my 5 bill fleet carrier. It would work if they didn’t rely on a very low player base to buy goods and services at a taxed price for income.
I honestly think frontier are done with elite dangerous. They're making the game spite players. I believe it is the end for me and Elite
Oh God, I just thought of something... What if FDEV restricts space legs to the interior of Fleet carriers?
STOP, THIS IS THE BAD IDEA POLICE! YOU ARE UNDER ARREST FOR SAYING THAT OUT LOUD AND GIVING THEM IDEAS
Yeah Fdev will give us space legs, but you will have to pay 5 billion for each shoe, then another 2 billion for the space socks. and then there is the upkeep of your new shoes and you need more than one pair of socks. I dont even want to think about all the material grinding they will force us to do to get them engineered.
The best flight model of any game.
The best sound design of any game.
One of the best art directions of any space game...
... and the most lack of generosity and care (like Hello Games have) of any developer recently.
at some point FDev put the dot wrong in the pricing
Or the dev slammed their face into the keyboard and pressed enter...
good thing theres really no reason to have to mine tritium because itll be nearly impossible to maintain a carrier very far away from the bubble anyway. since thats the case youre better off jumping back to the bubble, mining LTDs, then buying tritium with the profits and doing a couple runs to get it all on board. i suppose you COULD theoretically send your carrier out into the black and stay behind to fund it, but then you would need other people to go with it to keep it fueled. and of course there is no reason for anyone to do that aside from the bragging rights of "my carrier is the furthest from the bubble hoorah". as far as actual gameplay loops, i dont really see any.
Don't forget that the addition of tritium will reroll the mining hotspot algorithm that elite uses. Time to find brand new overlapping hotspots again (assuming they haven't removed them for making the credit grind too easy)
@@cmdrmike9958 luckily they did say they have not removed the possibility of overlapping hotspots from the algorithm, but ya, we do now have to go find new ones. fingers crossed for another triple!
Keep these videos coming. Carriers may not be great, but your videos are.
I think the cost of Tritium is actually okay. The problem I have is how much is required per jump. I really think that a 500ly jump should never cost more than 100 units in case you are mining while exploring. Otherwise it will take way too long for somebody trying to refuel while mining to get the carrier ready for the next jump. Ideally, with a good ring to mine from I think gathering 100 units should never take more than 20-30 minutes and I think that the jump warm up/cool down period should reflect that expectation with a 20-30min jump cycle.
There are several ways that could make those ship worth.
1. To reconsider that they should not affect power-play. If there are multiple types. For example the military type should increase security in the system. So instead of making missions you can choose to position military ship.
A mining ship in extraction economy should passively increase the prosperity. The same for a tourist mega-ship in touristic beacon. Or trading ship should boost trade and prosperity.
2. To make things more efficient for individual players. For example you position your ship right next to an extraction site. You are more efficient that way instead of going towards a station you can give the bounty hunting information right there, rearm, refuel. Why not just call the ship like in NMS right next to the ring and take cover with it. Or in a conflict zone call the ship in the conflict zone to get extra help.
3. Or make that only a player group can own this kind of ship in that way the costs can be shared.
4. If those 3 options are not deemed OK. just divide all costs by a factor of 5. Those ships could be 1 billion instead of 5. Or just make everything just one time costs, not a continuous credit sink. If it is a continuous credit sink that it is possible to think a way to gain credits with the mega ships instead of loosing. So the mega-ship could earn you money, by some game mechanic and you can have a return of the investement. Also consider the possibility to take credits to buy one and using the proper management to pay it back. For example if you have a high ranking in the Federation or Empire you can get a credit line to buy one and by proper management to pay it back. FD should really hire an economist in this project so the mechanic reflects real market behaviour. This is the moment to improve and make a real market in Elite and dangerous. Those fleet carriers are an asset for corporation type of gamplay failing to implement that mechanic will be a huge missed opportunity.
There are a lot of things that can be done, but everything should offer an immersive game play, or at least merge into existing gaming mechanic. A pure credit sink is the worse way to go.
All those ideas can make it work. Several just require a simple adjustment with few lines of code. Others require a lot of thinking but have the opportunity to make the game a challenge again.
TL:DR; ... 5 billion credit carrier gets stuck without fuel, requires X hours of scrounging, has a max limit of 1000 units. - edit, and i guess this 500LY once an hour jump range makes carrier half-useless for exploration like so many people wanted...
this game is a J O K E anymore
Dont forget the 7 billion upkeep cost for a year (fully outfitted)
@@domi8419 the 7 B a year is a lie
the upkeep is 45 Mil/week fully outfitted
I know right, I could 500ly's in another ship faster than that.
@@chrismafer2000 no it is 145 mil per week fully outfitted. 145 mil ×53 weeks ~7 billion
500LY is the max range and that’ll take you anywhere in the bubble. It’s intended to be flown somewhere and parked to service people in non station systems. It’s not intended to fly to the galactic core, but you know some rich dude will do it for giggles and then let the maintenance expire on it.
I went out 500 ly with a mining python on board and found quite a few Tritium hot spots (but no overlapping ones) around gas giants. The yields were around 28% maximum and refinery rate was almost identical to LTD's so mining LTD's first and then stocking up on tritium is probably the best way to go.
@Higgs Bonbon That's probably how it's going to work out due mostly to the ridiculous amount of money needed to keep one going and losing 2/3 value in 3 months even though you are ploughing 100+ million a week into upkeep.
AS ALWAYS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUALITY UPLOADS. THE GRIND DOES NOT SEEM WORTH IT AT ALL. I WILL WAIT AND SEE WHAT THEY DO WITH THE NEXT MAJOR UPDATE BEFORE WRITING OFF ED ENTIRELY.
Obsidian Ant can we get a video what the jump actually looks like from the outside? The audio sounded awesome from the end of the last video of the hyper space jump.
What gets me is they had all this time to develop the update and they only have ONE model for the fleet carrier. They already design their megaships and stations like legos using basically cut and pasted elements. They couldn't assemble a few DIFFERENT ones so they all don't LOOK THE SAME? Like different nose and tails even if the functional part is the same on the carriers? Even if they function basically the same?
All this time working on something that only 5% of the player base can enjoy.... brilliant work...
So where is Tritium found, and can it be lasered or does it have to be core mined? Still a good video, keep the info coming!
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I did a mining session in a local icy ring for that, not in a hotspot (that I assume won't be there most of the time you want to do this).
Tritium seems to be relatively common, I'd say maybe in 1 out of 15-20 asteroids. It can be obtained mostly by laser mining, but also through sub-surface deposits. Didn't encounter any Tritium cores or surface deposits yet.
The awful part is that you seem to only get little over 50% in Tritium compared to the amount of limpets you take with you. Granted, this was under usage of prospector limpets and flying alone, I recon you can get that rate up by just randomly shooting rocks to check and/or by mining in a wing.
surface and drill mining, no core
@@DragoCubX thanks for the reply. Was curious how difficult for long distance travel it was to refuel.
@@bryanspires1114 I'd say it's doable, but they ought to increase either how many asteroids contain it or how many tons you can refine from a single asteroid, but it's the one thing on carriers I don't regard as "terrible" :)
@@DragoCubX It turns into terrible if you're exploring outside the bubble and want to refuel your exploration carrier while running out of limpets...
Fleet carriers are looking to just be a huge waste of time and resources for what they do. They seem squarely aimed at people who’ve been playing every day for years and years and years and just have a huge balance with nothing to use it on.
I would even consider to grind my way up to buy and outfit a fleet carrier. But the horrendous upkeep costs and the lack of explorer services are total dealbrealers for me. Now you tell me there are even more costs on top of that.
Hand of Dorn? I am amused and saddened at the same time. Hydra Dominatus.
On a lighter note, I love your carrier name. Dorn lives!
I actually docked at his Carrier. I spawned in the Maia system for some unknown reason. I'm still inside the Carrier with a conda.
For long range, you can buy and transfer/store fuel in your carrier from your ship, and then en route, just pick it back up into your ship and 'self donate' as you go.
With all that money for those carriers they should have at least a fuel scoop or fuel Ray where you can scoop from the Sun those carriers should be self-sufficient.
This game should be handed over to a different developer. Frontier has taken their customer base for granted.
Another nice addition to Grind Dangerous
That sounds pretty cool. You could jump all the way out into the black with your mining ship and setup shop. It would be so sweet to setup a Carrier at like, Beagles point hahah
They could’ve at least let you have a cockpit view of your own 5 billion credit fleet carrier. I can’t make it make sense for my play style.
Also, is the only economic activity that yields profit from other players or do NPCs buy and sell things as well?
Imagine this thing would not be as expensive, jumps further faster and fueling it up is quick and easy. It still does not change the fact that the gameplay is one inch deep. What can you actually do once you've got it? Same with "space legs". Features that would enable some new gameplay opportunities or things that make playing at least more streamlined and convenient are always kept well under control.
Thank you Frontier for improving the Multi-player experience at the expense of Single Players.
Put all credits u have into your ships , fly to a blackhole, throw it in. Repeat
Great metaphor lol
Did I read that right? Buy Fleet Carrier, name it "Blackhole" and it sucks all of your credits into it.
So in the mean time, NO MANS SKY just drop an interesting little trailer today🤔 seems they know what having fun is
What... mechs? Yea another thing to upgrade and grind your units for, or have to harvest 100 alien hearts to give to an obscure guy thru a portal who is based on a floating platform in the middle of space (without a space suit either) oh and don’t forget you have to do 30 other things first in the quest line, like talk to a dead alien, go thru a black hole and then fight your way back to your ship and find out the alien wasn’t dead but in an alternate universe and then spend 300 million units buying up gek relics to increase your standing so the gek will tell you which system the dead alien is alive in, oh and I forgot you have to learn 300 alien words and then talk to 200 aliens in their native tongue so they’ll like you enough to give you the useless power core you can’t use on anything except the mech. Once you have it, then you walk around planets for 5 minutes and go... why did I go thru all that for this piece of junk again?
@@GokouZWAR Actually, no. I already have mine fully upgraded. But I'm sure that little day dream took you away from the horror of Fleet Carriers in Elite, so I can't be too harsh on you, you're gonna need every possible salve when this feature fails and you've no more Elite former fans to fume at ... there, there ;)
@@GokouZWAR A tad grindy then?
"Thanks for putting thousands of hours into our game you rich bastards! Please, take this extremely expensive token of gratitude and put every single resource you've gathered over the years into it. We promise it's good! Make sure you keep playing the game the exact way you've been playing it for the last few years so you can afford it! It's the best we can do and we really do appreciate you." -FDev
I would be happier if tritium costs 400k but you only need 50 units of it so mining would actually be feasible
So, how much damage have the jumps cost? There was said to be maintenance costs with each jump.
I will check that for the next video. Hopefully it's quite low.
@@ObsidianAnt I'm sorry, but considering the rest of the train wreck that this update is, I wouldn't keep my hopes too high.
My hopes aren't very high for anything in this game at the moment...
Looks great, looking forward to these on live! Hope they tweak a few things but overall tons of potential
Hey obsidian, what do you think of the new X4 DLC? The game has come a LONG way since release and I would be curious to hear your take on it. Since you are my go-to for all things space game!
I'm curious to know about storing excess tritium in the warehouse and then transferring to the depot.
This can be done. :)
@@ObsidianAnt Thanks for answering.
Way to make lemonade out of lemons, OA. (I know, it's only a beta.) 👍
What if Frontier had said, "We finally have the code base to let the players buy stations, and on top of that, you can actually jump them around, at up to five hundred light years at a time. But it will be expensive to move them, and we're warning everybody that we mean really, really, really expensive." (Note the three (3) reallys used here, commonly used for important points.)
I'm finished with elite, the majority of players have been well and truly shafted... good luck you 0.1%ers
I never jump my Fleet Carriers unless i have 1000 tons of Tritium in reserve, but i also have a fitted Miner ASP in my hangar. There are online resources for finding Pristine Tritium hotspots. Cheers.
What a mess FDev has done...
Also, I'd love to know if you played Freelancer back in 2003ish? It reminds me of a cross between elite and mass effect. But with some space legs.
I'll be honest, I was looking forward to re-igniting my interest in ED and working towards getting a fleet carrier, but with all the negative reinforcement around having FCs, I feel like I'm being pushed farther away from wanting to get back into ED.
Carrier named "Hand of Dorn", is it Rogal Dorn reference?
Yes.:)
@@ObsidianAnt I wonder if they'll sell an Imperial Fist colour scheme for the carrier lol
@@ObsidianAnt I'm lost on this heretical ship. Magic pain glove tell me what to do.
I was like "Michael Dorn was cool as Worf, but to name a FC after his hand? o ... k ..." lol
Nice vid as always
20 million credits for a 500 ly jump. If the average jump range is 10 ly that is 50 jumps each way. To move the 16 ships on the deck that is 33 trips each way with another player. That is 1650 jumps, at about 10 sec a jump, 275 minutes or about 4 and a half hours. This means for two people to move their fleet, it costs 9 man hours. The fleet carrier drops it to 1 man hour (spooling time) so you are paying 2.5 million credits per man hour to cut 8 man hours, or 1.25 million per ship moved. There are six ships in elite dangerous that cost more than 1.25 million to move 500 ly, if you are not transporting those it costs more the transport in a fleet carrier than use the in game ship transfer. So, under optimal conditions for the fleet carrier, the fleet carrier is not efficient except for transporting a few ships (anaconda, corvete, ferdelance, cutter, python, type 9 heavy).
Off of my to do list, affording one is one thing, that fuel upkeep is too much for me. It would be cool if you could pool money between players, like in a guild or something.
Theory: the outrageous upkeep price is there to justify the unbalanced economy and gold rushes of the base game.
Discovered void opal mining? The broken Sirius Atmospherics mission board? That's your new normal! Grind those exploits to unlock the endgame content!
FDev: You need all the credits ever to make this viable.
Also FDev: we've nerfed the ways to obtain credits so people can ”enjoy the game for longer”...
Fuck me...
Used filter to search Shipyard for Carriers. None! Oh and same Repairs fix with server bug still after 3yrs or more.
I kinda blame the gaming industry as a whole, especially console game devs. I wonder how many people play ED because it's the only option besides NMS. ED doesn't feel the need to add content because theirs no competition in their genre.
Instead of grinding for a carrier in ED.
Grind the same amount of time in your job as overtime and buy an idris with life time insurance ( zero maintenance )
In Star citizen
Mining tritium is as hard as LTDs, so FDev really doesn't want to take it into black.
they would need to boost mining for that, or give us another mechanic (park near neutron star and have it refuel over time for increasing upkeep that week)
While 20 Mil for 500ly jump is quite a lot I don't have problem like with upkeep, cause you do something with it.
I don't understand what fleet carriers are going to add to the gameplay besides being a small base of operation, out way beyond the bubble?
not played this game for a while now fleet carriers was going to be my come back but not a chance will stick to star citizen and NMS my days of ED are really over
Does 1T of Tritium correspond to about 1LY of jump range?
Edit: Checked the video - looks like 1T of Tritium will get you about 1.6LY
Got the notification 6 days later lol
How the f do capital ships get fuel if it costs this much for fleet carriers?
The question you should ask is how do you spend 5 billion on a ship and can’t buy 20 million in fuel? 500LY will take you from one side of the bubble to the other. You don’t have e to use 20 mil on EVERY jump. A short jump may only cost you 500k
@@GokouZWAR What if people actually want to use their carrier as a carrier, and not just stick to a small area? At that fuel cost, it's a cargo barge, not a carrier. It would probably be cheaper to buy a whole new fleet of ships in Colonia, and use a long range regular ship to travel there, than to move your ships there. That 20M is just fuel, there is also maintenance and repair costs.
500 Tritium will cost 20,000,000, if buying from a station... Jesus, Frontier have dropped a massive turd (overall) with the Fleet Carriers.
Now I got to travel to dock at Obsidianants FC
I think I'd rather get a root canal than buy a carrier and continue to grind. If this is direction that FDEV is going then they shouldn't even bother with the paid content that they are supposedly working on.
Spills tea, laughs uncontrollably.