I'm a professional Guitarist and composer and I love your channel! I have started playing piano over the last few months, and your channel is very interesting and always insightful. Thanks for the great music and content.
Love it! Wonderful little piece, and even just the brief look into the characteristics that make it (at least seemingly) authentic opens up a lot to appreciate in all of Chopin's pieces.
My thinking is that Chopin had an idea of a beginning of a waltz but did not know how to continue this idea or ultimately did not think it is good enough to expand on it, so in turn just left it as it is. Btw your interpertation is to my mind the best I have heard so far.
Ever time I’ve heard this, it leaves me wanting more. There should be a contest amongst a pool of amateur and professional piano composers to attempt to finish this, or add on to it.
Always fascinating to hear your take on a piece of music, supported by an exquisite performance, whoever the composer might be. You capture the passion in this music perfectly, making your interpretation more compelling than some other 'world class' performances I've heard (!). As to the authenticity of this composition? In an age of 'fake news', this discovery seems pretty convincing . . . and if you're satisfied, that's good enough for me! Bravo, Cole!
I was wondering when you would get to this new little bonbon from Chopin. Thanks for the always astute analysis of the writing, and I can’t not comment on how delicious you look. You look really healthy and fit. Whatever you’re doing, keep it up! Thanks again from your greatest fan, Fred.
The broken, chromatic, descending sixths is a common pattern in Chopin's works (op 25 no 11 for example). Considering how he loved to improvise and how many works he decided not to publish because he considered them "not worthy", this waltz is probably the sketch of some major work he decided not to keep working on
I wonder if you could do a video about piano passages, which sound completely different when you play them fast. An example is the second piano Concerto of Rachmaninoff on about page 3 or four there's a sort passage, which is amazing to me because it doesn't sound at all the same when I practice it at my speed as it sounds when people perform it Composers who understand Piano that well that they can actually write notes which on the face of them, don't look a certain way, but when you play them fast, this other dimension comes out is just fascinating to me.
I've played Chopin all my life but for some reason I remain unconvinced about this. When asked why I cannot come up with strong specific arguments 'against' it and of course I can hear stylistic traits that you' and others highlighted. I feel I know Chopin's music and have in earlier years written pieces in the 'style' of Chopin as exercises. Maybe I just need to give it more time to 'sink in' but right now...I'm on the fence!
I wish I could be so sure about it; I wish I could be so sure as to even why I am so unsure about it. And I wish I could get excited about these discoveries, beyond wondering how it is they remained undiscovered for so long. Perhaps it has to do with the weight of conjecture they lend to an already existing - and all too familiar - catalogue, yes? The recent Mozart discovery is another case in point. Indeed, to what point do they make a difference to what we already know? Is that a fare question to ask? Is it simply a question of dispensability; to what extent - if at all - do such discoveries change the landscape of an already definitive design! What do you think? To that, where analysis comes after the fact, are we at least afforded the luxury of equating certain characteristics of style with one another as a supportive measure, in determining the authenticity of a work. You are no amateur in doing this, rather you have rewarded us well. Have you any thoughts about Chopin's name appearing atop the score - even though it looks to be written in his own hand, as does the manuscript itself - with the uncustomary indication of "valse" scripted at the beginning - it irritates the life out of me. It's like a pea under a mattress that keeps me awake at night, then to become an asteroid orbiting my every dream. Have you seen any other score by Chopin notated similarly? Something doesn't quite gel for me, and I am left feeling a tad lopsided. Sorry. But I am at least feeling less that way now, all thanks to you. You are such a fine musician. You really are. I recently listened to one of your recitals here at TH-cam, and I came away immensely satisfied. Your sensitivity, and your susceptibility, speak volumes for you. Yours is a quest for Beauty! Blessings!
Thank you! I forgot to mention the writing at the top of the page-apparently that is not in Chopin's hand (unless I am mistaken). It may have been marked thus by its owner at some point to clarify the authorship. I would agree that is a point against authenticity. On the other hand the music itself is pretty convincing!
@@TheIndependentPianist Then it is at least similar, yes? An affectation? Any thoughts about the placement of the "valse" indication? Oddities! Yes, it is especially convincing for the reasons you give. I suppose too, I should not dismiss the thought that it is likely just a sketch, something dashed off with perhaps the further intent of fleshing it out sometime later, or a gift to an admirer as you mentioned. Grateful for your reply; grateful for you! I will listen to you play again soon, and with pleasure! Blessings!
Very interesting analysis (and the most detailed one I saw on TH-cam about this newly discovered waltz) and a beautiful interpretation. For those who know and love piano music, the waltz immediately feels like Chopin and you where able to give a lot of explanations why it is so. Recently, I was able to finish my own polonaise. Since I'm not a professional musician, it would be a great joy and honor to me if you can find some time to listen to it and write a few words. Here it is: th-cam.com/video/uLDm-H4_amQ/w-d-xo.html
I still think it's uncanny this was released a few days before Halloween, and the music even has a haunted/spooky feel to it. I think it should be called Chopin's Halloween waltz.
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I'm a professional Guitarist and composer and I love your channel! I have started playing piano over the last few months, and your channel is very interesting and always insightful. Thanks for the great music and content.
Love it! Wonderful little piece, and even just the brief look into the characteristics that make it (at least seemingly) authentic opens up a lot to appreciate in all of Chopin's pieces.
My thinking is that Chopin had an idea of a beginning of a waltz but did not know how to continue this idea or ultimately did not think it is good enough to expand on it, so in turn just left it as it is.
Btw your interpertation is to my mind the best I have heard so far.
Ever time I’ve heard this, it leaves me wanting more. There should be a contest amongst a pool of amateur and professional piano composers to attempt to finish this, or add on to it.
th-cam.com/video/rw5Mq9QquaA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=1f4gutemA_Scssxe
There are a couple videos out there that extend this waltz! But I agree it'd be awesome to see more!
Hi! ValkyRiver here!
Always fascinating to hear your take on a piece of music, supported by an exquisite performance, whoever the composer might be. You capture the passion in this music perfectly, making your interpretation more compelling than some other 'world class' performances I've heard (!). As to the authenticity of this composition? In an age of 'fake news', this discovery seems pretty convincing . . . and if you're satisfied, that's good enough for me! Bravo, Cole!
I reminded me right away of the E minot opus posthumous #14 Waltz. More than a hint of Spanishness.
It's interesting that they're still finding pieces by these composers from over a century ago, I wonder if they'll find more in the future.
I was wondering when you would get to this new little bonbon from Chopin. Thanks for the always astute analysis of the writing, and I can’t not comment on how delicious you look. You look really healthy and fit. Whatever you’re doing, keep it up! Thanks again from your greatest fan, Fred.
The broken, chromatic, descending sixths is a common pattern in Chopin's works (op 25 no 11 for example). Considering how he loved to improvise and how many works he decided not to publish because he considered them "not worthy", this waltz is probably the sketch of some major work he decided not to keep working on
I wonder if you could do a video about piano passages, which sound completely different when you play them fast. An example is the second piano Concerto of Rachmaninoff on about page 3 or four there's a sort passage, which is amazing to me because it doesn't sound at all the same when I practice it at my speed as it sounds when people perform it Composers who understand Piano that well that they can actually write notes which on the face of them, don't look a certain way, but when you play them fast, this other dimension comes out is just fascinating to me.
Great idea, thank you!
I've played Chopin all my life but for some reason I remain unconvinced about this. When asked why I cannot come up with strong specific arguments 'against' it and of course I can hear stylistic traits that you' and others highlighted. I feel I know Chopin's music and have in earlier years written pieces in the 'style' of Chopin as exercises. Maybe I just need to give it more time to 'sink in' but right now...I'm on the fence!
I wish I could be so sure about it; I wish I could be so sure as to even why I am so unsure about it. And I wish I could get excited about these discoveries, beyond wondering how it is they remained undiscovered for so long. Perhaps it has to do with the weight of conjecture they lend to an already existing - and all too familiar - catalogue, yes? The recent Mozart discovery is another case in point. Indeed, to what point do they make a difference to what we already know? Is that a fare question to ask? Is it simply a question of dispensability; to what extent - if at all - do such discoveries change the landscape of an already definitive design! What do you think? To that, where analysis comes after the fact, are we at least afforded the luxury of equating certain characteristics of style with one another as a supportive measure, in determining the authenticity of a work. You are no amateur in doing this, rather you have rewarded us well. Have you any thoughts about Chopin's name appearing atop the score - even though it looks to be written in his own hand, as does the manuscript itself - with the uncustomary indication of "valse" scripted at the beginning - it irritates the life out of me. It's like a pea under a mattress that keeps me awake at night, then to become an asteroid orbiting my every dream. Have you seen any other score by Chopin notated similarly? Something doesn't quite gel for me, and I am left feeling a tad lopsided. Sorry. But I am at least feeling less that way now, all thanks to you. You are such a fine musician. You really are. I recently listened to one of your recitals here at TH-cam, and I came away immensely satisfied. Your sensitivity, and your susceptibility, speak volumes for you. Yours is a quest for Beauty! Blessings!
Thank you! I forgot to mention the writing at the top of the page-apparently that is not in Chopin's hand (unless I am mistaken). It may have been marked thus by its owner at some point to clarify the authorship. I would agree that is a point against authenticity. On the other hand the music itself is pretty convincing!
@@TheIndependentPianist Then it is at least similar, yes? An affectation? Any thoughts about the placement of the "valse" indication? Oddities! Yes, it is especially convincing for the reasons you give. I suppose too, I should not dismiss the thought that it is likely just a sketch, something dashed off with perhaps the further intent of fleshing it out sometime later, or a gift to an admirer as you mentioned. Grateful for your reply; grateful for you! I will listen to you play again soon, and with pleasure! Blessings!
Hi! ValkyRiver here!
omg its valkyriver
Not a bad rendition 🎉. Not quite enough "pathos" imo but getting there. I played it with I think more empathy but I'm not here to sing my praises 😂
Very interesting analysis (and the most detailed one I saw on TH-cam about this newly discovered waltz) and a beautiful interpretation. For those who know and love piano music, the waltz immediately feels like Chopin and you where able to give a lot of explanations why it is so. Recently, I was able to finish my own polonaise. Since I'm not a professional musician, it would be a great joy and honor to me if you can find some time to listen to it and write a few words. Here it is: th-cam.com/video/uLDm-H4_amQ/w-d-xo.html
I still think it's uncanny this was released a few days before Halloween, and the music even has a haunted/spooky feel to it. I think it should be called Chopin's Halloween waltz.
Would you share with us the Make and Model of your piano? I want to buy one!
Cole covered this in an earlier upload: th-cam.com/video/zxwQXyTyMnU/w-d-xo.html
I believe it's a Kawai VPC1 Virtual Piano Controller.
What is your digital piano?
Kawai VPC1 paired with the Synthogy Ivory II American Concert D!