You missed the cult of Trump. It's S tier with high population, money , and political power. Entrapment is high because of resistance to facts, but once you escape you never go back.
@@MrTripsJ The Amish aren't fucktards. They're really nice people. I live in Pennsylvania, not far from a large Amish community. I've interacted with them a number of times. They aren't all that extreme. A lot of them drive and work outside of their community. Some have pretty significant businesses. Each Amish church has their own version of rules about technology.
IncognitoTorpedo And disowning them for leaving is not fucktardery? Come on dude, forcing people to live in that without their will and no exit future is fucked
@@incognitotorpedo42 indeed. I used to be a utility locator here in Topeka KS, and one locate was on a rural house where a construction crew was entirely Amish, but they were using battery power tools, listened to a baseball game on a radio, while dressing traditional, their accents total Midwest-- but I later found out they had to be driven to work sites by a non Amish.
@@swordguy1243 yeah.... no... Christianity spread with a lot of violence throughout Europe, the Inquisition started in the 13th century, but befor that often whole tribes were slaughtered for not bowing diwn befor the Christian rulership. Then there were the Crusades, the Witchhunts, the religious war of the reformation, the Conquests of India, Africa and America and several brutal genozidal attacks because the natives refused to convert, then there were and still are several Christian terrorgroups in America and Africa, there was a religious conflict in Ireland. The Nazis were mostly Christians and believed in a certain interpretation of scripture and Hitler as a Messianic figure, not to mention that the two major warmongering superpiwers of the Planet are dominated by Christians. Stop white-washing history!
@@swordguy1243 The Inquisition killed a lot of people in the 15th and 16th centuries as well. It's also worth noting cristians were also far more brutal than muslims preceding that. The wrechage from the capture of Constantinople in 1204 by the fourth crusade was worse than the capture by muslims in 1453. This is despite the city being captured from Christian rulers both times. Theres also how followers of each religion treated third parties; Jews regularly fled Christiandom for places led by muslims because it was so much safer. As an example, Ladino first developed in the iberian peninsula, but all surviving Ladino-speaking communities are in places that belonged to the Ottoman empire.
Once, a guy tried recruiting me to join the Moonies. I was still a Christian then, but this guy knew the Bible better than me. This happened at a Barnes and Noble. He of course interpreted scriptures in a very peculiar way, but it wasn’t any different than how evangelicals do it. He lost me at, “Jesus already came back and he’s Korean.”
I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness and been disfellowshipped twice. First when I was 17 and lost my virginity , I was told I had to marry him if I wanted to continue the relationship and they questioned absolutely everything I had done as a minor. Did I have oral? Where? how many times? etc. I came back because of my parents, I missed them. I wasn't allowed to even have dinner with them . Three years later I divorced the guy I was with because he was extremely abusive and controlling. He made me quit college. And all the "Elders" had to say was that many other "sisters" have remained loyal to their spouses and by their side regardless of the abuse and eventually he would change with their help and guidance. That was in 2014 and I never went back. As a mom I could never do that to my children.
God my friend Almost got “shunned” by the elders because he and his gf ALMOST had sex and for some reason his gf went and told them? I’m actually really worried for my friend but I don’t want to offend him by bashing on his cult
Arnox Immordium not really. They own the state legislature. There is some leaked audio of a conversation between a senator or congressman and the 12. He made it clear that he would do whatever they they wanted.
I used to be a Jehovah’s Witness I got out the people you thought were family just cut you off completely... I’ve had a better life since I left as well as my family.
LimitlessPotential we used to go to the Millennium Stadium here in the UK. Plastic seats for watching football that were okay for an hour, but after that were insanely painful, not to mention the British weather making it 30°C in a suit, then 10 minutes pouring down with rain and getting soaking and shivering
Me: WHAT scientology only D? No, you are WAAAY off, they have so much money and power and... what!? 35.000 members? Only 35.000?! Oh, OK. D then. Man, they really a lot of attention for their size. All those movie stars, I guess.
@@chadjehebej2258 That is what they say, though. That's not a reliable source. Experts think that's how many people they actually succeeded to convince to take their stupid first test... Apparently when you make national surveys about what religion you are, Scientology doesn't even get a statistically meaningful number. There may be as many as 12.000 in all of Germany. But certainly not 30.000 in Frankfurt.
@@chadjehebej2258 Actually, Googling around a bit, 30.000 is what they claimed for all of Germany before. They have claimed lower numbers more recently. In 2013, for example: Heute gibt es ungefähr 12.000 aktive Scientologen in Deutschland; weltweit beträgt die Scientology Mitgliederzahl 10 - 12 Millionen. We know the 10-12 million is a lie, the 12.000 is probably also a lie.
A lot of people don’t know @tierzoo watches these vids. I think I saw him on a telltale vid once. Edit: It may just be a tier list thing though, I don’t mean to speak for others
As an ex-member, I'm glad you included Jehovah's Witnesses. There is not near enough public awareness of the high-control cult tactics employed by the organization.
Scientology: *massively infiltrates the IRS in order to strongarm them through corporate blackmail into continuing the church's tax exempt status* Genetically Modified Skeptic: "D" Scientology: "Am I a joke to you?"
Not to mention the multiple fucking assassinations and murders they're involved in. L Ron Hubbard even admitted it was a scam, comparing it to luring fish.
Genuinely not sure what you mean about corporate blackmail. Blackmail takes the form "If you don't do what I want I will..." I can see the first half of this would be "If you don't continue to give Scientology tax exempt status the Scientologists who have infiltrated the IRS will..." but I can't imagine what the second half would be. Can you give an example of what you believe that threat is please?
@@dionlindsay2 I can't recall the exact details, but if I remember correctly they threatened to release some kind of information they had gathered that would have put the IRS in a bad light. I could be misremembering, though. It's been a while since I read anything on it.
Just wanted to let you know that this video was the beginning of my journey of realizing I live in a cult (mormonism). If it werent for this I never would have looked into the BITE model. Which led me to reading A letter of my wife and CES letter. Thanks a ton man. You really helped me out
Wow! I’m happy to be of help. I know that journey has to be difficult, as I was once in an oppressive religious environment (IFB) and left. Whatever ideas you’re questioning, know that you’re worthy of love and the freedom to explore whatever ideas you’d like. There’s nothing wrong with you for wanting to get to the truth, even if others take issue with that. Thank you for sharing! Wishing you the best in your journey. 😊
Mormons also tell their members they should study all religions... sometimes it's just an illusion of choice. Although I'm not sure calling religions cults is a good thing anyways. I'm sure "modern" society could be looked at as a cult from a different perspective as well
Yep it's called Rumspringa, but 80-90% return! I did the same thing, I was shunned as a JW in my early 20s for five long years and i eventually came back for my family. Nothing ended up changing though, they still shun me 15 years later. fucking evil cult.
I live along side a very large Amish community and 4 of them were just arrested for drinking underage and driving a buggy. They very much interact with the rest of our community and do tend to have quite a bit of money.
Yeah, it's not a legit decision. Kinda like: "You can go to North Korea, but you have to wear a shirt that says 'Kim Family Sucks!' and then you can decide to stay if you want."
@@BKrandy0 Religious cults are different in that they're based on lack of evidence, and display pure malice towards dissenters. In modern society, you are welcome to dissent and even make millions writing books about it. Pretty much all good philosophy comes from people who disrupt the status quo. And all progress is based on people who dissent from the schite social conservative narrative. Perhaps you could make the argument that conservatism is a cult, but society as a whole is just too inhomogeneous.
@@leoshteynberg3013 I'd say it's just not feminism. Feminism fights for the equality of men and women to do whatever they want without any worries of gender roles or expectations. This is exactly not that, and is a patriarchy in its purest form.
@@wireboar7321 Well don't take my word for it, but I think it's mostly an issue of dialect. Feminism was first coined as a term for the rights of women since they were indisputably worse off than men back then. But if I understand correctly, as women gained more and more rights, a lot of them started to realize that the negative effects of gender roles went both ways in society, like how boys locked away their feelings or commit suicide more often. And since feminists were basically already fighting for gender equality, they combined with their allies and strove to improve the condition for everyone since (...except for the misandrists of course but just flip them off and call it a day, they don't matter). So while feminism is still definitely predominantly for women, there's also a large push for men to do whatever they want. Language is a weird thing, no?
@@sandstarr777 . Ensign College (aka LDSBC) in Utah However BYU-Idaho, BYU-HI are out side of UT, and BYU Pathways Worldwide is international and internet based.
Me and my friends accidentally ended up in a town of ultra orthodox Jews when we went camping in the Catskills. We were looking for a gas station and the only one in the whole town had no gas lol
I live in the Catskills. If the Hasidim are not a cult then I don’t know what is. They certainly meet all four criteria laid out in the beginning of the video.
The Latter Day Saints don't really feel like a cult until you join BYU. Leaving the university is actually several times harder than leaving the actual church, and even on your mission, the members have actually been granted to talk to family members more and a lot of them I know talk to their friends home who all seem to be members. However, leaving the church is a very easy task and questioning seems to be encouraged all until and if you enroll into BYU, which a lot of members I know are completely against. Still could be a cult socially and economically, but not to its actual members
I have to say, I live near a growing Amish community in the Midwest and I have to disagree with the money. The individuals themselves do not have much money, but the community as a whole is very wealthy. They hold monopolies on several businesses here, often go out and do contract work in construction, and when there is land for sale, they have such a large cash reserve, few can outbid them.
Isn't that a good thing? There's little chance that they will attract anyone from this channel yet they waste their money here instead of targeting those adds to vulnerable people. Plus, they indirectly pay Drew
@@hogndog2339 ah, yes, our fearless leader dream, who definitely tells us to do stuff all the time. for example, he instructs his followers to... uh... hit the like button.
Atheist here, at least the Mormons don't go around and preach hate 24/7. Unlike most cults Mormons try to improve shit with their own two hands. Sure, the religious stuff is nuts, but there are certainly worse people on earth then typical Mormons.
Caesar Salad while you're entirely correct, could you try proving the organizations in this video or a majority of their membership actually make an active effort to stop people from leaving? For each organization.
I "Leaved" the Jehova Witnesses by slowly ceasing my presence in the meetings (that's how we called it), but still, the personality that they force on you, the fear, manipulation, GUILT the fucking guilt, lasts long, you need to repair yourself basically alone and that takes time. A cult can be a little bad on trapping people but fuck totally their lives. and with JW in particular, if you leave, but your family is inside it, they treat you like garbage and shun you.
As an Ex-Mormon, I thought I would point out some mistakes/misconceptions about Mormons that were shared in your vid: 1. The LDS church does prohibit intoxicants like Alcohol, tea, and coffee; however, there is no rule against caffeine. A few individuals in the church might say we can't drink caffeine (like my aunt who prides herself on not drinking it), but it isn't a rule. 2. Mormon missionaries can speak to their families. When I was a missionary 3+ years ago, we were only allowed to email them once a week, and we could call home during a few holidays every year (Christmas and Mother's Day). Recently that rule has been changed, and missionaries have much more freedom to be able to talk to their families. I don't know the specifics of when they can call since I have not been an active member for about a year, but I know it's not nearly as strict now. 3. As far as guilting members into staying, it depends. Doctrine says that members should be loving and open with members who are struggling with the faith. That being said, members are much kinder to inactive members who haven't been to church in a long time, compared to members who are actively going to church each week but not living like a member (i.e. drinking, premarital sex). I'd agree that the LDS church is much more powerful than the JW's and most of the others, but honestly Mormons are more accepting and open to people with differing beliefs, and act much less creepy than JW's. Most Mormons I've met are accepting of LGB individuals, even though the church has taken a stance against it. Hell, I know a couple guys in the church that are openly gay (don't ask me why they stay when the leadership thinks they are sinners). All-in-all, most Mormons don't act different than anyone else, and are often very kind people. The LDS church and it's leadership on the other hand are messed up in my opinion, and I don't much care for the organization.
I too was raised LDS. My experience must have been different from yours because, as you know, the Word of Wisdom that prohibits alcohol also prohibits hot drinks, which I was taught was Joseph Smith's way of saying no caffeine because all the hot drinks back then had caffeine. You are correct about 2, I was happy when the church started allowing missionaries to call home once in a while. But my experience with your point on 3 is the exact opposite. I was kicked out of my house for arguing with my dad about mormonism for 3 hours one night. In America, 20% to 40% of homeless teenagers are LGBT, while in Utah, it is 50%-60%. I used to volunteer at a homeless teenager philanthropy in Utah on a regular basis and LGBT acceptance was a major part of their mission. Utah also has the highest rate of teenage depression, 15% higher than any other state. It also has one of the highest rates of teenage suicide, over 3x higher than the state I just moved to from Utah this year, California. A typical thanksgiving with my Mormon family in Utah would include such opinions as 'why would you ever have a funeral for someone that isn't religious'. When I heard that, I simply stated that when I die, shoot my body over the Grand Canyon using a catapult and left. There is definitely varying degrees of cult like behaviour amongst the members, I find that the Mormons here in California are much more accepting of other people than the ones I left behind in Utah.
@@doubleirishdutchsandwich4740 And the hot drinks thing is why coffee and tea are not allowed. My family drinks a lot of mtn dew and Pepsi, and plenty of other Mormons I know drink soda and energy drinks, just not coffee/tea. As far as 3 goes, it is very much individuals and their opinions, and in recent years many people have been changing. For example, I grew up in CA (I'm in Utah now) when Prop 8 got passed. As a kid, I went with some of my family and held signs saying "Yes on 8" on a street corner. This is something my dad wanted to do as he very much disagreed with same-sex marriage. However, today he is very pro-LGBT and is actually the one that helped change my mind and be supportive of same-sex marriage. Perhaps my experience was different here because though both sides of my family are LDS, my dad's side (and my immediate family) never acted like "Molly Mormons". We had fairly crude humor, and we didn't take everything the church leadership said at face value. I'm sure that what you said about your experiences is true, but I'm just saying that much of Mormon culture is changing for the better. I personally have never met anyone that is outright hateful of LGBT individuals or has kicked their kid out of the house for being LGBT, though obviously it happens. Thing is I'm sure the stats would be fairly similar if Utah was dominated by any other strict Abrahamic religion. I'm sorry that you have family that acts so awful. You would think people who believe in Christ would act more "Christlike". Just like any religion though, people like to pick and choose doctrine that best suits them. Of course we only know our own experiences, and some of what I shared about doctrine are things I studied on my mission. Regardless, I'm happy to be out of the church.
@@Gkowi Yeah me too. Happy to be done with it. I think the hardest thing about leaving is having no community and not knowing what is up from down. The only people I knew and hung out with were Mormon and everything I was taught was from them, no external influence, but I still came to the conclusion that it was astronomically more likely that JS lied than that he was visited by a native american that died several hundred years prior. People lie everyday and 100,000 books are written every year and I have never seen a native american come back to life. Ugh. I left Utah less than a year ago but was an active member of the Postmormon community on meetup when I was there. We would meet up on the weekend at board game stores and coffee shops to hang out. If you are ever feeling lonely, I'd suggest you check them out, although it sounds like your family is pretty accepting so I am happy for you :)
@@doubleirishdutchsandwich4740 Glad to hear you are in a better place. Funny thing is growing up in CA as Mormon, life was really hard since I was one of maybe 3 Mormon kids at my school, and I got bullied a lot for being different. Moving to Utah was a good change for the reason you said, having a community. Now that I left, it is difficult. I'm not "openly" a non-member yet, because I don't want people to try to bring me back into the fold, but my family knows I don't believe as well as some friends. I've never heard of the postmormon community, so maybe I'll check that out. If it wasn't for the rest of my family wanting to stay in Utah, I would be moved by now. Might leave the state in the next couple years, we will see. I agree with you on the JS thing. I mean, plenty of people today are so called psychics, prophets, or claim to perform miracles yet most people recognize them for who they are: con-men. That's why I don't believe in Christianity as a whole. If these same prophets from the Bible were alive today, we could see how much BS they were spewing out.
The LDS church is more and more run like a business. It would be silly to discriminate against prospective clients and anyone can become a tithing-paying member. In many activities, non-members get preferential treatment. Bishops provide financial and other assistance to non-members in their area. The damage is mostly psychological, once you're inside. Conferences, local and church-wide will impress upon you the all-important need to follow, pray and obey, as well as doubt your doubts. Jesus said: "Love God and love thy neighbor as thyself" but Mormons break this admonition into endless commandments, rules, rituals, callings, assignments and responsibilities which will drive crazy anyone who sincerely attempts to abide by all of them. That's the core of it's cult-like nature. Sure beliefs are wacky, but to me the wackiest belief of all is the existence of the biblical god.
Could you look into the Gulen movement? I was in that cult from when I was a child and even though they have millions of followers, they never get talked about. They are very secretive thought and I doubt finding information on them is going to be easy. But I'm sure you can find an ex-member like myself in the US.
What the fuck is wrong with the US. Why you have so many cults over there. Even in conservative regions of Europe people believe in the normal churchs and never isolate like that. Only a few Jehová witness and thats all
@@nicosd3017 I blame McDonald's. Though seriously, something is wrong with the US' cultural climate. Not only does it breed cults like mice, it also has a high volume of conspiracy theorists and flat-earthers you'd never find anywhere else. Also, facebook and twitter is technically a cult now.
@@yeetyeetyeet1967 I remember CNN I think claiming it has 20million members. My peers also had told me the same. I also remeber them saying this scary thing when we were on a trip in Turkey that half of the police is in it and I should not worry about them. Look it up, it has alot of similarities with the Ayathollah of Iran.
My friends and I had one as well, I'd created a religion for a story and started jokingly saying some of their mantras, leading to me and a couple friends declaring our loyalty to Order Totallen and calling each other heretics as a joke.
"The LDS Church is valued at over 67 Billion" is the understatement of the year. This church has over $100,000,000,000 alone (yes that's 100 BILLION DOLLARS) in just ONE of its multiple subsidiaries ALONE. They most likely have multiple times this figure accounting for the Billions it has in multiple companies and land (literally owns over 2% of the state of Florida). Pretty accurate video
It is thanks to the LDS church that I, a non-LDS member, can attend university without losing my mind. I have heard horrific rumours that make the mormons/LDS sound like some demonic cult but when I interacted with them in real life, they are REALLY nice people and have never bothered me. I realised that people hate the LDS just because the LDS are firm in their beliefs.
Alex Peck almost none of it goes to aid anything. They give around 20-40 million a year. That would be the equivalent of $40 out of a $100000 dollar salary. Or 4 cents out of $100. Their generosity is not great. They say they are saving for the end of days. They should be stripped of their tax exempt status until they get more generous. There was a NYT article that came out recently that said the same thing.
Two corrections on Mormonism: 14:07 The 15-16 million number is only what the church claims. It is actually closer to 5 million active members. The reason is the Mormon church is simply counting everyone they baptized, regardless if they stay in the religion or not. I am an atheist and the Mormon church still counts me as a 'member'. 12:58. The Book of Mormon is much more like an infomercial on vacuums than Return of the Jedi. Mark Twain called it "Chloroform in print" because it'd knock you right out ;)
The return of the Jedi thing is a reference to the Book of Mormon musical, when elder Cunningham says it’s trilogy, and the Book of Mormon is return of the Jedi. The song is “All-American Prophet”, it’s funny, id recommend it,
Many religions count those who were ever part of their religion as members - whether they still participate and believe or not. This is to inflate their numbers, make it appear they are larger and more influential than they are.
no, they've changed it due to tax regulations of the US govt and you have to have been an active member of the group that year in order to count. And the IRS doesn't mess around with non profit groups not paying up so they have to give pretty strictly monitored statistics, that's why even with the constant growth in their baptisms there's been a stagnation of membership increase in the last few years even though now, you have more church-going members
@@Spencer_p2 Can you please provide a citation that says there are 16 million active mormons? Religions, unlike non-profits, in America don't have to file 990s with the IRS because of the separation of church and state, where did you learn that stuff about the IRS? From nothing more than wikipedia, 30% of the 16 million are active.
There's a lot of misinformation about Mormons on this video, for example we are allowed to drink caffeine and as missionaries you are allowed to talk to your family, but I'm afraid if I try and argue it here I'll just be called a cultist So I just wanted to throw that out there
I don't know about the caffeine thing but another commenter said that the rules on talking to family members durring missions was changed relitively resentently so that might be a newer thing but Mormonism isn't high on the list because of that. it's high because they have a relitively high population, money, and political power. They arn't on high the list because they are the most cultlike but because of how much power they have. It's partually because their similarities to a cult are relatively low that they can even have the power that they do since cults require an extrem amount of control and the more members they have the harder it is for them to actually keep up that control. I think that the people going around calling every person who tries to make a correction a cultist are annoying. Cultist has a usefull meaning (the bite model) and shouldn't be used as a cheap off hand insult.
You aren't a cultist for making corrections. You are a cultist for being in a cult. Your corrections are good of course, we don't want to spread lies about any of these cults just because it would be easier.
@@yoursonisold8743 cult implies a massive amount of behavior control. Stop using it to refer to things that don't have that high amount of behavior control. Stop using it as a synonym for "bad" or "religion" it's not the same thing.
@@noname-zp1yh Although nearly all religions (especially the Abrahamic ones) are founded in cultist principles, I do agree that the word religion is not synonymous with cult. Mormonism is a cult though.
@@noname-zp1yh I feel like you just disproved yourself though simply due to the fact that Mormanism at its core does absolutely excessive alot of behavioral control over its members
Reform/Secular American Jew here...it's funny that that specific term is never the one used here. Even in reference to "The Ultra-Orthodox" in Israel, it's always that term, not Haredi. Just sharing.
if you know him you know he would never say that. he said that no entire religions could be cults. And hes pretty empathetic and admits when hes wrong. So i couldn't even imagine him saying that
That's how they get ye 😂. I work in Glasgow city and the most handsome and beautiful young Mormons are sent over here to save our souls. They walk the main streets to befriend people and push the Mormon Bible on them.
And you have the right to believe what you believe.My only beef with religion is when it strays out of personal belief and into government,which I think should remain humanist and secular.Otherwise,who cares?
@@WhaleManMan not true. Besides, most popular religions have that, the Muslims had the Khalif, the Catholics have the pope. Only ones that don't are the eastern religions like Sikhism,Buddhism,Hinduism,Jainism, Taoism,Zoroastrianism blah blah
@@WhaleManMan they are lol, all the religions of the east combined don't have as many followers as Islam or Christianity alone. Plus, that's not even a proper definition of a cult. I was just pointing out that even in your flawed definition, most people still follow 'cults'
@@scottchi666 You simply leave. Eventually, they will if they are smart enough. Everyone deep down knows that the end of the World will definitely come - the question is simply when. The Bible states that no one knows but we all know that things will come to a terrible end. You dont need to hear preachers telling you that - most of us already sense it.
Im a mormon, thanks for the A teir! Obviously, we differ in our views, but honestly I appreciated your take on these groups. Alot of videos like this are very mean-spirited, but i don't sense that from you at all.
@Ryoshikari It is rather ignorant to portray the Salafis as open minded for the actions of a few exceptions among them. Any large body has differing ideas about how the cult should work, but the majority of Salafists still is extremely dangerous and fundamentalist and will treat non-believers like scum.
@@82926ocram Theres's a guy who does really informative long-posts on imgur, and he explains the differences between Salafism, Islamism and Takfiris. He explains how Salafism was inspired by Wahhabism, which predates the others as an organized movement: imgur.com/gallery/dxydjHf
@@82926ocram There are none, they're one and the same, some Muslims call them Salafi's, while some call them Wahabi's (as the school of thought was created by the guy Abdul Wahab as he's called). But they're the same thing, as their adherence's are pretty much identical.
I grew up in the Mormon Church as a skeptic, partially due to my divorced mom. I have always believed in God, but never gave much credence to Mormon doctrine. I still went to their church with my dad because for family and social reasons. I was more of an observer than a follower, but still formed a lot of social connections. As an adult, I stopped going to the Mormon church, and belong to no denomination in particular. As someone with Mormon family members, I can say that this video is quite accurate on the topic. We haven't disowned each other and I don't really get involved with discussions about Mormonism with them anymore after realizing debate was going nowhere.
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Although they've been neutered a lot since terror attacks in the 90s, Aum Shinrikyo are/were certainly an interesting group in Japan. Having in the past killed members who sought to leave, attempted and carried out assonations of critics and built contacts to supply weapons threw expansion to Russia following the USSR's collapse.
Maybe they're the ones more about the 'spirit' of self-sufficiency? The ones who are OK with electricity as long as they can get it themself(solar, biomass, maybe even dig their own oil)? Heck, they'll probably use solar-electric trains if they could
Fidget spinners too, I had a friend who lived with an amish community for a while and all of the kids had them. Not necessarily technology, but it shows that they aren't completely shut off from the rest of the world.
I recently watched Chris Shelton's interview with a woman who left the cult of Nithyananda and it has to be one of the creepiest I have seen in a while (and I am an ex-JW myself). Definitely check out this Indian cult. It is interesting and has spanned many countries now as well.
@@Snehaasenthilkumar At least it sounds like most of those residing in India know that he is a fraud, with only a small group supporting him. Looks good on your culture that they are not falling for him in droves. :)
@@jaelmoray ah yes, thats a bright spot. I like the way you think. Unfortunately there is no dearth of self styled God men and women in my country. The uber religious do tend to fall for their scams. Its a sad reality.
@@jaelmoray I would strongly encourage you to read "Holy Hell" by Gail Tredwell. As someone who has visited Amritanandamayi's Ashram (out of compulsion rather than voluntarily), it's an accurate description of how the place is run. The response by their staff members to a recent suicide case at one of their campus was described in the book 6 years ago when I first read it.
@Justin Goetz so OP is over powered? I guess the nerf thing makes sense. I'm 37 so I don't know what half the shit ppl say means. What I do understand is from my 7 year old. Lol
Creepy is in the eye of the beholder. An atheist told me the rosary is creepy because you're saying the same words over and over while running beads across your fingers. Bonus points if you use Latin. (If you think the rosary is creepy you are a wuss, lol)
I'm LDS and honestly I mostly agree with your placing of the church. While I don't really like it being called a cult, I can definitely see why many consider it as one. I would at the very least like to mention that in your section on Mormonism, you say that missionaries can't even speak to their families while on their trip, which is incorrect. My sister had just been on her mission for the last year and a half, and she was given one day a week (called a P-day) to email all of her friends and family, post on Facebook, and often called our mom to tell her everything she did that week. Also, with the magic undies, I've never heard the church or a single member mention them, though I do know they exist. It almost feels like it's a topic they don't really want to talk about much. Everything else though I agree on, high population with high growth rate, extreme wealth (most wealthy church on earth, $100 billion saved), most entrapment is just minor shaming, and a pretty strong grip on our politics.
In Israel at least, the men are getting paid by the state to study theology for their whole lives, so it's more like one income plus government benefits.
If I may, as a Utahn, missionaries talk to their families all the time! Letters are encouraged actually, and calls are often scheduled so the whole family can participate. They can't *see* their family because missions are largely served far from home
A few comments about the Amish… I used to work on a farm with a lot of Amish men and I can assure you that a lot of them utilize cell phones, have lots of money stored away and out of sight of most outsiders, have a high degree of mental illness due to inbreeding in the community, and while they appear to avoid decadence typically will simply ask their bishop for permission to use just about any modern technology, architecture, etc. furthermore, a lot of them fear the threat of shunning but don’t actively practice their lifestyle unless in public
@@davineves8529 yeah, each community is a bit different. The ones you tend to see more are the less reclusive ones, so they give kind of an inaccurate picture of how a lot, if not most, Amish people actually live. I watched a doc where a community was arguing over whether or not to allow farmers to switch from metal wheeled tractors to rubber. It was wild.
@@davineves8529 Yes, I was going to say the same thing. I worked with Old Order Amish, Mennonite, and Mennonite Brethren and there were huge differences between them.
@@channelremoved32 Speaking as a former Mormon, every once and a while the church leadership will come out and say something of that sort. Most members don't really listen to something like that. Those that do change what they call themselves frequently go back to calling themselves Mormon not too long after.
I have the LDS church to thank for my ability to study at university - without being an LDS member. No one has forced their beliefs on me - which proves that the LDS is not a cult. Or at least much less so than real cults like islam.
You didn't quite get the whole picture of the political maneuvering and financial trickery of the haredim in the video, they actually have a lot more money than one would think because of several factors. There is a law in israel that was made to encourage families having more children a long time ago, it was revised a bit since and basically it says that for each child a family has past 2 they receive a certain amount of money per child, the amount is greater for each child, this law doesn't seem at all suspicious until you take notice that the group with the highest birthrate that is eligible for that money by the law's conditions is the haredim. There is a lot of money that reaches their community through government funding for their own school system and various services, their community in general earns more money than you'd suspect but most of it goes to the rabis either through socially encouraged donations and fees or through other services they provide as well as direct government funding. They have another tool that allows them a great advantage. When one person from the community wants to open some kind of business he will ask for the rabi's blessing, in addition to the fee the rabi will set certain conditions for the business such as where it is located, he will then provide a loan (which according to community laws will have an interest rate of 0) and will have all of his followers approach that business if they have need of that service instead of any competitor (the business owner also must offer a discounted price for community members). The financial and social backing of members is very large and the risk of alienation is far greater than it would seem because of it.
Drew, have you ever done a video on the Free Masons? I was halfway expecting them to be on this list. Would love to know your thoughts on them if you have any.
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Some years ago in Iowa, some Amish teenagers vandalized a vacant farm house. The kids were sentenced to 30 days in jail. They got to sleep in, watch TV and play basketball. When their parents found out how soft their treatment was, they asked the Judge to send the kids home. The Judge agreed and did so. Being at home was much more punishing than jail.
I'm assuming they were punished in their homes... oh no. Just thinking of the reasoning of a parent who takes their children to a _private_ place because they weren't punished hard enough makes me worry. _Specially_ religious parents...
I live with what I believe is Mormons in my apartment building. They're very nice. Almost TOO nice. They're professional, well dressed/groomed, and are polite even if you ignore them. They haven't tried to convince me about their religion (yet?). I'd like to smoke a blunt with them. They're that polite and relaxed, which I respect heavily. If they talk to me about their religion, I will 100% listen to them and be cordial because of their personality.
as a mormon, the reason it is all tight nicked, and the reason people can get exiled is because it's community based and family based. I am lucky to be living with a more liberal church(probably because of where I live) but it can quickly become sour if the people are more conservative
Hunh, I expected Scientology to be in C almost entirely off the back of the success of Operation Snow White. It's hard to believe that the cleanup aftrt that was 100% successful, and underhanded power is still power. Fair enough though.
@@dynamicworlds1 cool. I recently subbed to Telltales channel. I am also a recovering alcoholic (no AA for me, I refused to drink that koolaid). I will check out his take.
The scariest thing about AA is that its widely accepted as just a sobriety/addictions service. Judges might force you to join in order to stay out of jail in some circumstances.
@@christopherrowley7506 lol right? "Oh well we USED to be super controlling and culty but now we've eased up a little! And yes, we know the truth about the universe and the secret to salvation"
If you’re Amish you can apply for a bit certificate once you’re in the world. My boss was formerly Amish and told me about the process. He actually said it was quite easy
Maybe it’s just Canadian Mormonism and the fact that our population isn’t dense but, I left the church freely and they all know I don’t believe yet they still associate with me. Missionaries are supposed to be super strict, it’s kinda like priests in most religions. The whole underwear thing I never really got though. Also I 100% realize that Mormonism doesn’t any truth behind it and as a result I am atheist. Again I’m speaking from what I know but from experience, they invite you to a lot of events but the less religious families just don’t get invited to the more religious events or stuff like giving to charity. They do however always invite us and anyone from the community to a lot of their activities like corn busts and potlucks. Edit: half my family is gay and one is trans and they don’t care at all 🤷♀️
@@lishabrit4696 that sucks dude i have some friends in your situation. Yeah I live in Utah and my friend group since highschool has seen people join and leave the mormon church and none of them have been ostracized by our friend group or members of the church in fact in Utah it's kind of the other way around in my experience, people that join the church are hated by their non-mormon families and people that leave the church aren't. Kind of odd.
What do you think of my list? Are there any powerful cults I missed? Would you make any changes here? I'm interested to hear your thoughts!
Great list. I think the Unification Movement or Moonies should be on there as well. They tried recruiting me. It was interesting to say the least.
Check out the quasi cult status of the North Korean state
Salah Islam is OP. Please NERF.
Where would be Catholic church?
You missed the cult of Trump. It's S tier with high population, money , and political power. Entrapment is high because of resistance to facts, but once you escape you never go back.
Good move giving F tier to the Amish who can't dislike the video.
호주사람 there’s a few of these fucktard groups also in New Zealand similar to Amish
@@MrTripsJ The Amish aren't fucktards. They're really nice people. I live in Pennsylvania, not far from a large Amish community. I've interacted with them a number of times. They aren't all that extreme. A lot of them drive and work outside of their community. Some have pretty significant businesses. Each Amish church has their own version of rules about technology.
IncognitoTorpedo And disowning them for leaving is not fucktardery? Come on dude, forcing people to live in that without their will and no exit future is fucked
@@incognitotorpedo42 indeed. I used to be a utility locator here in Topeka KS, and one locate was on a rural house where a construction crew was entirely Amish, but they were using battery power tools, listened to a baseball game on a radio, while dressing traditional, their accents total Midwest-- but I later found out they had to be driven to work sites by a non Amish.
amish may be a cult but honestly their the best cult they live simply and live communally I can respect that
I was expecting S tier to be Herbalife and Essential Oils.
Are those really a branch of Mormonism? Utah is festered with MLM schemers.
@@swordguy1243 true.... today they use the MOAB and assault rifles...
@@swordguy1243 yeah.... no... Christianity spread with a lot of violence throughout Europe, the Inquisition started in the 13th century, but befor that often whole tribes were slaughtered for not bowing diwn befor the Christian rulership. Then there were the Crusades, the Witchhunts, the religious war of the reformation, the Conquests of India, Africa and America and several brutal genozidal attacks because the natives refused to convert, then there were and still are several Christian terrorgroups in America and Africa, there was a religious conflict in Ireland. The Nazis were mostly Christians and believed in a certain interpretation of scripture and Hitler as a Messianic figure, not to mention that the two major warmongering superpiwers of the Planet are dominated by Christians.
Stop white-washing history!
@@swordguy1243 The Inquisition killed a lot of people in the 15th and 16th centuries as well.
It's also worth noting cristians were also far more brutal than muslims preceding that. The wrechage from the capture of Constantinople in 1204 by the fourth crusade was worse than the capture by muslims in 1453. This is despite the city being captured from Christian rulers both times.
Theres also how followers of each religion treated third parties; Jews regularly fled Christiandom for places led by muslims because it was so much safer. As an example, Ladino first developed in the iberian peninsula, but all surviving Ladino-speaking communities are in places that belonged to the Ottoman empire.
@@swordguy1243 bruh Romans did that to everyone they conquered.
Once, a guy tried recruiting me to join the Moonies. I was still a Christian then, but this guy knew the Bible better than me. This happened at a Barnes and Noble. He of course interpreted scriptures in a very peculiar way, but it wasn’t any different than how evangelicals do it.
He lost me at, “Jesus already came back and he’s Korean.”
so there is a korean jesus...
Kim?
so it was a kpop fan?
Aren't the Moonies a Christian sect?
Was his name ahn sang Hong?
I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness and been disfellowshipped twice. First when I was 17 and lost my virginity , I was told I had to marry him if I wanted to continue the relationship and they questioned absolutely everything I had done as a minor. Did I have oral? Where? how many times? etc. I came back because of my parents, I missed them. I wasn't allowed to even have dinner with them . Three years later I divorced the guy I was with because he was extremely abusive and controlling. He made me quit college. And all the "Elders" had to say was that many other "sisters" have remained loyal to their spouses and by their side regardless of the abuse and eventually he would change with their help and guidance. That was in 2014 and I never went back. As a mom I could never do that to my children.
Good for your children and for you, I hope you guys are well now,cults are very dangerous and should not be taken easily.
God my friend Almost got “shunned” by the elders because he and his gf ALMOST had sex and for some reason his gf went and told them? I’m actually really worried for my friend but I don’t want to offend him by bashing on his cult
Gggggyyyyyy y y rrdsr Cm. We
Glad to hear you are doing good, hope you all live long and healthy lives
Congrats 🎊
Wanne avoid dangerous cults? Only practice safe sects!
That's a T-shirt!
I nominate you for best comment of the year
I only have street sects
:)
classic dad joke
This guy’s talking about cults like tier zoo talks about animals
I'm here for it.
Gamification is powerful
@@showcase0525 Agreed
TierCult
Kylek1133 they’re like animals, AND I SLAUGHTERED THEM LIKE ANIMALS
Next episode: Mass genocide tier list
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YES :)
Yahweh would get F through S. Nobody else would even make the list.
nooooo......
Is it weird that as an ex-Mormon, I was almost strangely proud that they hit A-tier?
That's because we're the very best that no one ever was.
When you own a US state....
@@tac2oo7 Nah, it's actually pretty overblown.
Arnox Immordium not really. They own the state legislature. There is some leaked audio of a conversation between a senator or congressman and the 12. He made it clear that he would do whatever they they wanted.
We gotta fight for that S teir. Game on! Lol
This feels like you’re describing RPG classes, with the stats and special abilities, and I’m totally into that.
Someone needs to make a "Religions And Cults" version of D&D, with world domination as the ultimate objective.
It's a TierZoo reference.. you should check him out.
I used to be a Jehovah’s Witness I got out the people you thought were family just cut you off completely... I’ve had a better life since I left as well as my family.
From another former witness, congratulations!
True, life def gets better when getting out. Imagine the lost time we wasted back then lol
Luedizer Universal thousands of hours. Especially at the 3 day conventions...
SkittleWinklerUK so very accurate the 3 day assemblies were the worst
LimitlessPotential we used to go to the Millennium Stadium here in the UK. Plastic seats for watching football that were okay for an hour, but after that were insanely painful, not to mention the British weather making it 30°C in a suit, then 10 minutes pouring down with rain and getting soaking and shivering
Me: WHAT scientology only D? No, you are WAAAY off, they have so much money and power and... what!? 35.000 members? Only 35.000?! Oh, OK. D then. Man, they really a lot of attention for their size. All those movie stars, I guess.
They actually have 7-15 mil. estimated members worldwide, the Scientology Frankfurt has around 30.000 members, he was a little bit off on this one
@@chadjehebej2258 That is what they say, though. That's not a reliable source. Experts think that's how many people they actually succeeded to convince to take their stupid first test... Apparently when you make national surveys about what religion you are, Scientology doesn't even get a statistically meaningful number.
There may be as many as 12.000 in all of Germany. But certainly not 30.000 in Frankfurt.
@@RegebroRepairs Scientology Frankfurt counts all German members, but the headquarters are in Frankfurt.
@@chadjehebej2258 Actually, Googling around a bit, 30.000 is what they claimed for all of Germany before. They have claimed lower numbers more recently. In 2013, for example: Heute gibt es ungefähr 12.000 aktive Scientologen in Deutschland; weltweit beträgt die Scientology Mitgliederzahl 10 - 12 Millionen.
We know the 10-12 million is a lie, the 12.000 is probably also a lie.
I have a question, how does scientology work?
Time to change you channel name to “religion zoo” looks like.
Probably TierReligion or something like that
LMAO
@@TierZoo Didn't expect to see you here!
@@TierZoo WHAT
A lot of people don’t know @tierzoo watches these vids. I think I saw him on a telltale vid once.
Edit: It may just be a tier list thing though, I don’t mean to speak for others
As an ex-member, I'm glad you included Jehovah's Witnesses. There is not near enough public awareness of the high-control cult tactics employed by the organization.
Scientology: *massively infiltrates the IRS in order to strongarm them through corporate blackmail into continuing the church's tax exempt status*
Genetically Modified Skeptic: "D"
Scientology: "Am I a joke to you?"
Not to mention the multiple fucking assassinations and murders they're involved in. L Ron Hubbard even admitted it was a scam, comparing it to luring fish.
But they are not a cult either. Why? Because they said that they aren't.
Genuinely not sure what you mean about corporate blackmail. Blackmail takes the form "If you don't do what I want I will..." I can see the first half of this would be "If you don't continue to give Scientology tax exempt status the Scientologists who have infiltrated the IRS will..." but I can't imagine what the second half would be. Can you give an example of what you believe that threat is please?
@@dionlindsay2 I can't recall the exact details, but if I remember correctly they threatened to release some kind of information they had gathered that would have put the IRS in a bad light. I could be misremembering, though. It's been a while since I read anything on it.
Agreed!!
This video literally seems like a Pokemon Tier list, with stats and abilities and all. But as a Pokemon fan, I love that.
literalllllllllllllllly
Bruh you need to check out TierZoo if you haven't
Are Mormons pseudo legendaries then?
If you like this, check out TierZoo
Its a mother fucking Tier Zoo refernce
Just wanted to let you know that this video was the beginning of my journey of realizing I live in a cult (mormonism). If it werent for this I never would have looked into the BITE model. Which led me to reading A letter of my wife and CES letter. Thanks a ton man. You really helped me out
Wow! I’m happy to be of help. I know that journey has to be difficult, as I was once in an oppressive religious environment (IFB) and left. Whatever ideas you’re questioning, know that you’re worthy of love and the freedom to explore whatever ideas you’d like. There’s nothing wrong with you for wanting to get to the truth, even if others take issue with that. Thank you for sharing! Wishing you the best in your journey. 😊
The Amish actually do let adolescents go into society to decide. Just wanted to point that out.
Mormons also tell their members they should study all religions... sometimes it's just an illusion of choice. Although I'm not sure calling religions cults is a good thing anyways. I'm sure "modern" society could be looked at as a cult from a different perspective as well
Yep it's called Rumspringa, but 80-90% return! I did the same thing, I was shunned as a JW in my early 20s for five long years and i eventually came back for my family. Nothing ended up changing though, they still shun me 15 years later. fucking evil cult.
I live along side a very large Amish community and 4 of them were just arrested for drinking underage and driving a buggy. They very much interact with the rest of our community and do tend to have quite a bit of money.
Yeah, it's not a legit decision. Kinda like: "You can go to North Korea, but you have to wear a shirt that says 'Kim Family Sucks!' and then you can decide to stay if you want."
@@BKrandy0 Religious cults are different in that they're based on lack of evidence, and display pure malice towards dissenters. In modern society, you are welcome to dissent and even make millions writing books about it. Pretty much all good philosophy comes from people who disrupt the status quo. And all progress is based on people who dissent from the schite social conservative narrative. Perhaps you could make the argument that conservatism is a cult, but society as a whole is just too inhomogeneous.
Being in A tier feels less impressive when there's only one cult per tier
He just mentioned one per tier, there is obviously more
This is mainly a classical Abrahamic tier-list.
We probably have to wait a long time for the Asian, african and southeast asian expansion pack.
The Heradi one is literally just women doing everything and the men existing
As a Jew, yup.
In a weird way, it’s feminism. But in a weird way, it’s also definitely not.
@@leoshteynberg3013 I'd say it's just not feminism. Feminism fights for the equality of men and women to do whatever they want without any worries of gender roles or expectations. This is exactly not that, and is a patriarchy in its purest form.
This kind of culture existed in small communities where women did everything and every single men was a soldier.
@@davideloiza1779 then why is it called feminism, shouldn't it be called equalism or sth
@@wireboar7321 Well don't take my word for it, but I think it's mostly an issue of dialect. Feminism was first coined as a term for the rights of women since they were indisputably worse off than men back then. But if I understand correctly, as women gained more and more rights, a lot of them started to realize that the negative effects of gender roles went both ways in society, like how boys locked away their feelings or commit suicide more often. And since feminists were basically already fighting for gender equality, they combined with their allies and strove to improve the condition for everyone since (...except for the misandrists of course but just flip them off and call it a day, they don't matter). So while feminism is still definitely predominantly for women, there's also a large push for men to do whatever they want. Language is a weird thing, no?
"They even have their own university" *shows university of utah
Raises glasses: They have four actually.
@@Cybernaut551 wait what ones besides BYU I live in Utah and do not know this
@@sandstarr777 m
@@sandstarr777 . Ensign College (aka LDSBC) in Utah
However BYU-Idaho, BYU-HI are out side of UT, and BYU Pathways Worldwide is international and internet based.
Haha I thought that was funny too
I'm so glad JWs were on this list. They deserve it.
Cottonsocks434 .... Jesus is Satan the devil... you've been deceived... repent accept Jahovah and do good works.
@@cwdor you are / jws truly Anti Christ , 1 JHON 2: 22-23
^ nut jobs
Paul Denino bots probably
@@cwdor Bob loves you.
I once had to listen to some Mormons after they beat my friends in a 2v2 basketball game
dragon slayer god 😂, they’ll get you like that
Why does that ring a bell
It helps that we have a basketball court in pretty much every church building lol.
That god damn Utah Jazz
Fuck, I’d give them a listen if they could ball over me. Bloody Mormons, cunning as all hell
"Give all people dignity and all ideas scrutiny." Words to live by. I think I'll steal that phrase from you, my friend.
Of course the leaders of these cults also deserve dignity... in jail.
Me and my friends accidentally ended up in a town of ultra orthodox Jews when we went camping in the Catskills. We were looking for a gas station and the only one in the whole town had no gas lol
Maybe they had no gas for YOU?
There's a joke to be made there, but I won't be the one to make it because I'm not evil
I live in the Catskills. If the Hasidim are not a cult then I don’t know what is.
They certainly meet all four criteria laid out in the beginning of the video.
Dale Gribble you do it then
The Latter Day Saints don't really feel like a cult until you join BYU. Leaving the university is actually several times harder than leaving the actual church, and even on your mission, the members have actually been granted to talk to family members more and a lot of them I know talk to their friends home who all seem to be members. However, leaving the church is a very easy task and questioning seems to be encouraged all until and if you enroll into BYU, which a lot of members I know are completely against. Still could be a cult socially and economically, but not to its actual members
A wild shiny 'The Amish' appears!
'The Amish' uses Anonymize!
'The Amish' disappears back into community.
*a wild 'jehovas witness' appears*
'jehovas witness' uses 'door knock'
'jehovas witness' disappears back into the distance
‘The Amish’ use... electricity???
@@Dielma yes but it is naturally generated by thousands of guinea pigs running in wheels inside large barns. Grain power.
Makes it challenging in PVP
A wild 'Jihadist' appears!
'Jihadist' uses Bomb!
It's super effective!
I have to say, I live near a growing Amish community in the Midwest and I have to disagree with the money. The individuals themselves do not have much money, but the community as a whole is very wealthy. They hold monopolies on several businesses here, often go out and do contract work in construction, and when there is land for sale, they have such a large cash reserve, few can outbid them.
@Logan Walker Nah, north arkansas
This is more of a top 6 than a tier list because you're never putting more than 1 thing in the same tier, but I still love it.
Why do your videos have lots of Christian ads, is this some kind of inside joke? Why isn't anyone pointing this out.. (I'm just confused)
I got it to
Channels don't control which ads appear before each video.
@@jackboike7643 but don't you think it's weird
Probably the Christian companies can choose what type of audience to target their ads to, and they choose atheists
Isn't that a good thing? There's little chance that they will attract anyone from this channel yet they waste their money here instead of targeting those adds to vulnerable people. Plus, they indirectly pay Drew
I can't believe you forgot CallMeCarson discord cult...
Dream Stan cult
that aged quick
AZFK cult
@@hogndog2339 ong
@@hogndog2339 ah, yes, our fearless leader dream, who definitely tells us to do stuff all the time. for example, he instructs his followers to... uh... hit the like button.
I’m glad Mormonism was recognized so high. It makes me feel better about being a Mormon apostate.
Me too Brother Woolf. Me too.
I was pulling for it to take the top spot.
Ex Mormon here too
repent heretic!!!
Atheist here, at least the Mormons don't go around and preach hate 24/7.
Unlike most cults Mormons try to improve shit with their own two hands.
Sure, the religious stuff is nuts, but there are certainly worse people on earth then typical Mormons.
Entrapment has to be the most important stat because regardless of how dogmatic and strict a group is, if you can leave it can’t truly be a cult.
@Scott Whatever false not the entire Islamic religion, only am Islamic extremist minority
Easily leave it. Fixed it for you.
That’s what I try to tell people that call Mormonism a cult
Caesar Salad while you're entirely correct, could you try proving the organizations in this video or a majority of their membership actually make an active effort to stop people from leaving? For each organization.
I "Leaved" the Jehova Witnesses by slowly ceasing my presence in the meetings (that's how we called it), but still, the personality that they force on you, the fear, manipulation, GUILT the fucking guilt, lasts long, you need to repair yourself basically alone and that takes time. A cult can be a little bad on trapping people but fuck totally their lives. and with JW in particular, if you leave, but your family is inside it, they treat you like garbage and shun you.
As an Ex-Mormon, I thought I would point out some mistakes/misconceptions about Mormons that were shared in your vid:
1. The LDS church does prohibit intoxicants like Alcohol, tea, and coffee; however, there is no rule against caffeine. A few individuals in the church might say we can't drink caffeine (like my aunt who prides herself on not drinking it), but it isn't a rule.
2. Mormon missionaries can speak to their families. When I was a missionary 3+ years ago, we were only allowed to email them once a week, and we could call home during a few holidays every year (Christmas and Mother's Day). Recently that rule has been changed, and missionaries have much more freedom to be able to talk to their families. I don't know the specifics of when they can call since I have not been an active member for about a year, but I know it's not nearly as strict now.
3. As far as guilting members into staying, it depends. Doctrine says that members should be loving and open with members who are struggling with the faith. That being said, members are much kinder to inactive members who haven't been to church in a long time, compared to members who are actively going to church each week but not living like a member (i.e. drinking, premarital sex).
I'd agree that the LDS church is much more powerful than the JW's and most of the others, but honestly Mormons are more accepting and open to people with differing beliefs, and act much less creepy than JW's. Most Mormons I've met are accepting of LGB individuals, even though the church has taken a stance against it. Hell, I know a couple guys in the church that are openly gay (don't ask me why they stay when the leadership thinks they are sinners).
All-in-all, most Mormons don't act different than anyone else, and are often very kind people. The LDS church and it's leadership on the other hand are messed up in my opinion, and I don't much care for the organization.
I too was raised LDS. My experience must have been different from yours because, as you know, the Word of Wisdom that prohibits alcohol also prohibits hot drinks, which I was taught was Joseph Smith's way of saying no caffeine because all the hot drinks back then had caffeine. You are correct about 2, I was happy when the church started allowing missionaries to call home once in a while. But my experience with your point on 3 is the exact opposite. I was kicked out of my house for arguing with my dad about mormonism for 3 hours one night. In America, 20% to 40% of homeless teenagers are LGBT, while in Utah, it is 50%-60%. I used to volunteer at a homeless teenager philanthropy in Utah on a regular basis and LGBT acceptance was a major part of their mission. Utah also has the highest rate of teenage depression, 15% higher than any other state. It also has one of the highest rates of teenage suicide, over 3x higher than the state I just moved to from Utah this year, California. A typical thanksgiving with my Mormon family in Utah would include such opinions as 'why would you ever have a funeral for someone that isn't religious'. When I heard that, I simply stated that when I die, shoot my body over the Grand Canyon using a catapult and left. There is definitely varying degrees of cult like behaviour amongst the members, I find that the Mormons here in California are much more accepting of other people than the ones I left behind in Utah.
@@doubleirishdutchsandwich4740 And the hot drinks thing is why coffee and tea are not allowed. My family drinks a lot of mtn dew and Pepsi, and plenty of other Mormons I know drink soda and energy drinks, just not coffee/tea.
As far as 3 goes, it is very much individuals and their opinions, and in recent years many people have been changing. For example, I grew up in CA (I'm in Utah now) when Prop 8 got passed. As a kid, I went with some of my family and held signs saying "Yes on 8" on a street corner. This is something my dad wanted to do as he very much disagreed with same-sex marriage. However, today he is very pro-LGBT and is actually the one that helped change my mind and be supportive of same-sex marriage. Perhaps my experience was different here because though both sides of my family are LDS, my dad's side (and my immediate family) never acted like "Molly Mormons". We had fairly crude humor, and we didn't take everything the church leadership said at face value.
I'm sure that what you said about your experiences is true, but I'm just saying that much of Mormon culture is changing for the better. I personally have never met anyone that is outright hateful of LGBT individuals or has kicked their kid out of the house for being LGBT, though obviously it happens. Thing is I'm sure the stats would be fairly similar if Utah was dominated by any other strict Abrahamic religion.
I'm sorry that you have family that acts so awful. You would think people who believe in Christ would act more "Christlike".
Just like any religion though, people like to pick and choose doctrine that best suits them. Of course we only know our own experiences, and some of what I shared about doctrine are things I studied on my mission.
Regardless, I'm happy to be out of the church.
@@Gkowi Yeah me too. Happy to be done with it. I think the hardest thing about leaving is having no community and not knowing what is up from down. The only people I knew and hung out with were Mormon and everything I was taught was from them, no external influence, but I still came to the conclusion that it was astronomically more likely that JS lied than that he was visited by a native american that died several hundred years prior. People lie everyday and 100,000 books are written every year and I have never seen a native american come back to life. Ugh. I left Utah less than a year ago but was an active member of the Postmormon community on meetup when I was there. We would meet up on the weekend at board game stores and coffee shops to hang out. If you are ever feeling lonely, I'd suggest you check them out, although it sounds like your family is pretty accepting so I am happy for you :)
@@doubleirishdutchsandwich4740 Glad to hear you are in a better place. Funny thing is growing up in CA as Mormon, life was really hard since I was one of maybe 3 Mormon kids at my school, and I got bullied a lot for being different. Moving to Utah was a good change for the reason you said, having a community. Now that I left, it is difficult. I'm not "openly" a non-member yet, because I don't want people to try to bring me back into the fold, but my family knows I don't believe as well as some friends. I've never heard of the postmormon community, so maybe I'll check that out. If it wasn't for the rest of my family wanting to stay in Utah, I would be moved by now. Might leave the state in the next couple years, we will see.
I agree with you on the JS thing. I mean, plenty of people today are so called psychics, prophets, or claim to perform miracles yet most people recognize them for who they are: con-men. That's why I don't believe in Christianity as a whole. If these same prophets from the Bible were alive today, we could see how much BS they were spewing out.
The LDS church is more and more run like a business. It would be silly to discriminate against prospective clients and anyone can become a tithing-paying member. In many activities, non-members get preferential treatment. Bishops provide financial and other assistance to non-members in their area. The damage is mostly psychological, once you're inside. Conferences, local and church-wide will impress upon you the all-important need to follow, pray and obey, as well as doubt your doubts. Jesus said: "Love God and love thy neighbor as thyself" but Mormons break this admonition into endless commandments, rules, rituals, callings, assignments and responsibilities which will drive crazy anyone who sincerely attempts to abide by all of them. That's the core of it's cult-like nature. Sure beliefs are wacky, but to me the wackiest belief of all is the existence of the biblical god.
As a Mormon I was just waiting to see where I fell on the list. Now I can send this video to people and flex my high cult status at them.
Ha lmao I am A tier what you atheist lmao your not even in the list
@@obese_duck5954 why would atheism be in the cult list
OBESE_DUCK what? someone translate that to english pls
genuinely curious- why r u proud of being in a cult?
K. Nylen it was a joke
Could you look into the Gulen movement? I was in that cult from when I was a child and even though they have millions of followers, they never get talked about. They are very secretive thought and I doubt finding information on them is going to be easy. But I'm sure you can find an ex-member like myself in the US.
dude thats interesting, u should reach out to him directly though bc i doubt hell see this and u being an ex member makes u a great source
What the fuck is wrong with the US. Why you have so many cults over there. Even in conservative regions of Europe people believe in the normal churchs and never isolate like that. Only a few Jehová witness and thats all
@@nicosd3017 I blame McDonald's. Though seriously, something is wrong with the US' cultural climate. Not only does it breed cults like mice, it also has a high volume of conspiracy theorists and flat-earthers you'd never find anywhere else. Also, facebook and twitter is technically a cult now.
How do you know it has millions of members
@@yeetyeetyeet1967 I remember CNN I think claiming it has 20million members. My peers also had told me the same. I also remeber them saying this scary thing when we were on a trip in Turkey that half of the police is in it and I should not worry about them. Look it up, it has alot of similarities with the Ayathollah of Iran.
Me and my friends had a cult where we would meet at the bathroom and do a “parody ritual” with chanting and funny dancing in a circle.
that's just cute
My friends and I had one as well, I'd created a religion for a story and started jokingly saying some of their mantras, leading to me and a couple friends declaring our loyalty to Order Totallen and calling each other heretics as a joke.
S+ tier cult
That sounds fun
Did it have more than 5 people tho? Because if it didn't I win.
"The LDS Church is valued at over 67 Billion" is the understatement of the year. This church has over $100,000,000,000 alone (yes that's 100 BILLION DOLLARS) in just ONE of its multiple subsidiaries ALONE. They most likely have multiple times this figure accounting for the Billions it has in multiple companies and land (literally owns over 2% of the state of Florida). Pretty accurate video
Ike Euler fr that’s why the private college is a lot more affordable 😆
It is thanks to the LDS church that I, a non-LDS member, can attend university without losing my mind. I have heard horrific rumours that make the mormons/LDS sound like some demonic cult but when I interacted with them in real life, they are REALLY nice people and have never bothered me. I realised that people hate the LDS just because the LDS are firm in their beliefs.
Actually not all that accurate, but we are quite powerful, and we do have a ton of money. :)
We do have a lot of money, but much of that money goes to help the needy both locally and world-wide
Alex Peck almost none of it goes to aid anything. They give around 20-40 million a year. That would be the equivalent of $40 out of a $100000 dollar salary. Or 4 cents out of $100. Their generosity is not great. They say they are saving for the end of days. They should be stripped of their tax exempt status until they get more generous. There was a NYT article that came out recently that said the same thing.
Two corrections on Mormonism:
14:07 The 15-16 million number is only what the church claims. It is actually closer to 5 million active members. The reason is the Mormon church is simply counting everyone they baptized, regardless if they stay in the religion or not. I am an atheist and the Mormon church still counts me as a 'member'.
12:58. The Book of Mormon is much more like an infomercial on vacuums than Return of the Jedi. Mark Twain called it "Chloroform in print" because it'd knock you right out ;)
First point is true for Islam, too.
Millions of ex-muslim atheists are still counted as muslims.
The return of the Jedi thing is a reference to the Book of Mormon musical, when elder Cunningham says it’s trilogy, and the Book of Mormon is return of the Jedi. The song is “All-American Prophet”, it’s funny, id recommend it,
Many religions count those who were ever part of their religion as members - whether they still participate and believe or not. This is to inflate their numbers, make it appear they are larger and more influential than they are.
no, they've changed it due to tax regulations of the US govt and you have to have been an active member of the group that year in order to count. And the IRS doesn't mess around with non profit groups not paying up so they have to give pretty strictly monitored statistics, that's why even with the constant growth in their baptisms there's been a stagnation of membership increase in the last few years even though now, you have more church-going members
@@Spencer_p2 Can you please provide a citation that says there are 16 million active mormons? Religions, unlike non-profits, in America don't have to file 990s with the IRS because of the separation of church and state, where did you learn that stuff about the IRS? From nothing more than wikipedia, 30% of the 16 million are active.
There's a lot of misinformation about Mormons on this video, for example we are allowed to drink caffeine and as missionaries you are allowed to talk to your family, but I'm afraid if I try and argue it here I'll just be called a cultist So I just wanted to throw that out there
I don't know about the caffeine thing but another commenter said that the rules on talking to family members durring missions was changed relitively resentently so that might be a newer thing but Mormonism isn't high on the list because of that.
it's high because they have a relitively high population, money, and political power. They arn't on high the list because they are the most cultlike but because of how much power they have. It's partually because their similarities to a cult are relatively low that they can even have the power that they do since cults require an extrem amount of control and the more members they have the harder it is for them to actually keep up that control.
I think that the people going around calling every person who tries to make a correction a cultist are annoying. Cultist has a usefull meaning (the bite model) and shouldn't be used as a cheap off hand insult.
You aren't a cultist for making corrections. You are a cultist for being in a cult. Your corrections are good of course, we don't want to spread lies about any of these cults just because it would be easier.
@@yoursonisold8743 cult implies a massive amount of behavior control. Stop using it to refer to things that don't have that high amount of behavior control. Stop using it as a synonym for "bad" or "religion" it's not the same thing.
@@noname-zp1yh Although nearly all religions (especially the Abrahamic ones) are founded in cultist principles, I do agree that the word religion is not synonymous with cult.
Mormonism is a cult though.
@@noname-zp1yh I feel like you just disproved yourself though simply due to the fact that Mormanism at its core does absolutely excessive alot of behavioral control over its members
me (an israeli jew): if he says jews ima dislike the video
him: haredi jews
me: *likes video*
he really did his research
Reform/Secular American Jew here...it's funny that that specific term is never the one used here. Even in reference to "The Ultra-Orthodox" in Israel, it's always that term, not Haredi. Just sharing.
Is it because they are slackers? (American slang for someone who refuses to serve in the military during conscription).
if you know him you know he would never say that. he said that no entire religions could be cults. And hes pretty empathetic and admits when hes wrong. So i couldn't even imagine him saying that
@Yotchat Margui You're asking whether Jews believe in Jesus. Come on, man.
2 of the nicest guys I ever bought a beer for were Mormon Missionaries.
That's how they get ye 😂. I work in Glasgow city and the most handsome and beautiful young Mormons are sent over here to save our souls. They walk the main streets to befriend people and push the Mormon Bible on them.
Nice people can still be in cults
They aren’t supposed to drink beer tho
@@bennettgraham9637 I believe that's the joke
Joel Technetium read the other comments they didn’t get it
I lost such a dear friend to the Jehovahs Witnesses...I miss her.
@@quantitativediseasing9988 good for you.keep going.
Quantitative Diseasing I think that religion is nonsense.I don’t believe in any gods.
And you have the right to believe what you believe.My only beef with religion is when it strays out of personal belief and into government,which I think should remain humanist and secular.Otherwise,who cares?
Quantitative Diseasing Great.Don’t vote.
Im glad you're making videos again.
We really need a cult trading card game with a battle system!
Charlton Blake Yeah
LagiNaLangAko23 and the Scientology navy buff
You forgot about the biggest cult: Jedism
Anakin Skywalker can confirm that to be true.
This has been a public service announcement by Emperor Palpatine
"A religion is just a cult with a franchise" - Cadeceus Clay, 2020
Cults has a single living person as a leader that members hail as a divine or enlightened leader.
Not all religions do.
@@WhaleManMan not true. Besides, most popular religions have that, the Muslims had the Khalif, the Catholics have the pope. Only ones that don't are the eastern religions like Sikhism,Buddhism,Hinduism,Jainism,
Taoism,Zoroastrianism blah blah
@@roojackaroo8517
1. Protestants?
2. You're acting like "the Eastern religions" are a minority?
@@WhaleManMan they are lol, all the religions of the east combined don't have as many followers as Islam or Christianity alone. Plus, that's not even a proper definition of a cult.
I was just pointing out that even in your flawed definition, most people still follow 'cults'
@@roojackaroo8517 just want to say that the pope is not worshipped, he is only an authority. They worship Jesus
Why is it attractive preaching the end of the World so heavily? Seems to be a common doctrine in many cults
Gain more converts that are easily scared that way.
They're exploiting human emotions to their advantage. But if one is highly educated and do research, one will not fall into their trap.
@@sasukeuchiha8648 idk some smart people are in cults, if youre born into it wat to do ?
@@scottchi666 You simply leave. Eventually, they will if they are smart enough. Everyone deep down knows that the end of the World will definitely come - the question is simply when. The Bible states that no one knows but we all know that things will come to a terrible end. You dont need to hear preachers telling you that - most of us already sense it.
Fear mongering. It gives the leaders more control
I disassociated from the Jehovahs Witnesses a week ago. Found out it was a cult 6 months ago
"The LDS church is valued at $67 billion."
Hoo buddy, this video got dated and it only came out less than a month ago
what's it now
Yes what is it
It’s around 200 billion, iirc, for the 2 people asking, could be wrong
At least they are really good at hiding money.
I read that as the LSD church at first and almost flipped my shit
My wife’s boyfriend is in a cult
I nearly took that seriously, then I saw 'my wives boyfriend again'. Amazing shit posting.
Lol
@@antlerman7644 A polygamous friend of mine actually lived that situation lmfao, her husband had a boyfriend in a cult
@@chickenpermission5381 I feel like that has to be pretty common for polygamists..
Oof
Wait, your wife has a boyfriend?
"Mormons, they're the ones that believe the Bible's a trilogy and The Book of Mormon is Return of the Jedi", hahahahahaha, what a great analogy.
it's actually from the musical "the book of mormon" originally, i think!
Im a mormon, thanks for the A teir! Obviously, we differ in our views, but honestly I appreciated your take on these groups. Alot of videos like this are very mean-spirited, but i don't sense that from you at all.
Good to see Salafi's at the top. The level of control is just insane.
@Ryoshikari The wahabi and salafi are the same entity.
@Ryoshikari It is rather ignorant to portray the Salafis as open minded for the actions of a few exceptions among them. Any large body has differing ideas about how the cult should work, but the majority of Salafists still is extremely dangerous and fundamentalist and will treat non-believers like scum.
@@82926ocram Theres's a guy who does really informative long-posts on imgur, and he explains the differences between Salafism, Islamism and Takfiris. He explains how Salafism was inspired by Wahhabism, which predates the others as an organized movement: imgur.com/gallery/dxydjHf
@@82926ocram There are none, they're one and the same, some Muslims call them Salafi's, while some call them Wahabi's (as the school of thought was created by the guy Abdul Wahab as he's called). But they're the same thing, as their adherence's are pretty much identical.
About damn time we got a tier list like this one. Thanks Drew, very cool!
I grew up in the Mormon Church as a skeptic, partially due to my divorced mom. I have always believed in God, but never gave much credence to Mormon doctrine. I still went to their church with my dad because for family and social reasons. I was more of an observer than a follower, but still formed a lot of social connections. As an adult, I stopped going to the Mormon church, and belong to no denomination in particular. As someone with Mormon family members, I can say that this video is quite accurate on the topic. We haven't disowned each other and I don't really get involved with discussions about Mormonism with them anymore after realizing debate was going nowhere.
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Bruh bruh, I suggest that u learn about, “Eastern Cults,” Bc you will find a plethora of wonderful and dangerous examples!
Any standouts you find particularly entrapping??
All I remember as a Filipino is quiboloy
Although they've been neutered a lot since terror attacks in the 90s, Aum Shinrikyo are/were certainly an interesting group in Japan. Having in the past killed members who sought to leave, attempted and carried out assonations of critics and built contacts to supply weapons threw expansion to Russia following the USSR's collapse.
Interesting choices while I freezed the time around me and finished the video. I felt that my time was well spent
Agreed (:
L. Ron Hubbard was actually a black man named L. Ron Hoyebembe
Wyguy the French Fry he comes from a very wise peepo
turn that poop into wine turn that poop into wine
13:55 - Actually, that's been recently changed. Mormon missionaries can speak to their families much more frequently now (as often as once a week).
They could speak to their families once a week for a while actually. This video has some very wrong points.
You'd be surprised the Amish really like Hoverboards. They buy them at the Target I work at all the time.
Maybe they're the ones more about the 'spirit' of self-sufficiency? The ones who are OK with electricity as long as they can get it themself(solar, biomass, maybe even dig their own oil)?
Heck, they'll probably use solar-electric trains if they could
Fidget spinners too, I had a friend who lived with an amish community for a while and all of the kids had them. Not necessarily technology, but it shows that they aren't completely shut off from the rest of the world.
My neighbors where ex-jehovas witnesses ive found out i remember teasing their kids cause theyd say i wasnt allowed to say "oh my god"
I recently watched Chris Shelton's interview with a woman who left the cult of Nithyananda and it has to be one of the creepiest I have seen in a while (and I am an ex-JW myself). Definitely check out this Indian cult. It is interesting and has spanned many countries now as well.
It makes me ashamed to be an Indian lol. However, he provides great laughing material for my friends and I. He's a whole another level of crazy.
@@Snehaasenthilkumar At least it sounds like most of those residing in India know that he is a fraud, with only a small group supporting him. Looks good on your culture that they are not falling for him in droves. :)
@@jaelmoray ah yes, thats a bright spot. I like the way you think. Unfortunately there is no dearth of self styled God men and women in my country. The uber religious do tend to fall for their scams. Its a sad reality.
@@jaelmoray I would strongly encourage you to read "Holy Hell" by Gail Tredwell. As someone who has visited Amritanandamayi's Ashram (out of compulsion rather than voluntarily), it's an accurate description of how the place is run. The response by their staff members to a recent suicide case at one of their campus was described in the book 6 years ago when I first read it.
@@Snehaasenthilkumar he's the Indian edition of Alex Jones :D! just a lot more funnier.
"They are OP and should be nerfed".... I've never felt older than I did when you said that because I have absolutely no idea what that even means. Smh
Lol
@Justin Goetz so OP is over powered? I guess the nerf thing makes sense. I'm 37 so I don't know what half the shit ppl say means. What I do understand is from my 7 year old. Lol
Carl Sagan photo in the set.... like it! It make me recall the book: "The Demon-Haunted World", which I enjoyed so much! Thanks for this video!!!!
" And they're just creepy" best way to identify a cult TBH
Creepy is in the eye of the beholder. An atheist told me the rosary is creepy because you're saying the same words over and over while running beads across your fingers.
Bonus points if you use Latin.
(If you think the rosary is creepy you are a wuss, lol)
I'm LDS and honestly I mostly agree with your placing of the church. While I don't really like it being called a cult, I can definitely see why many consider it as one.
I would at the very least like to mention that in your section on Mormonism, you say that missionaries can't even speak to their families while on their trip, which is incorrect. My sister had just been on her mission for the last year and a half, and she was given one day a week (called a P-day) to email all of her friends and family, post on Facebook, and often called our mom to tell her everything she did that week.
Also, with the magic undies, I've never heard the church or a single member mention them, though I do know they exist. It almost feels like it's a topic they don't really want to talk about much.
Everything else though I agree on, high population with high growth rate, extreme wealth (most wealthy church on earth, $100 billion saved), most entrapment is just minor shaming, and a pretty strong grip on our politics.
Why isn’t there a category of emotional damage or death to members?
i think that ties into the "entrapment" category, for the death one in the last one counts on it
how do you quantify or gauge emotional damage?
Mollz understandable, just a question though. I bring it up because some have a lot more damage than others like murder or mass suicide or rape
So glad to see a video about powerful cults including Salafism. Easily the most dangerous religious movement of our time.
No mention of Blue Oyster Cult?
A cult that has Godzilla strongly associated with it would seem worthy of mention.
This comment deserves more likes.
The cult with the most cowbell!
"one income per household" sounds like they are pretty wealthy.
In Israel at least, the men are getting paid by the state to study theology for their whole lives, so it's more like one income plus government benefits.
@@ceruchi2084 what the hell... time to become religious, I guess
@@RawbeardX Pls poor boy! Pls...
If I may, as a Utahn, missionaries talk to their families all the time! Letters are encouraged actually, and calls are often scheduled so the whole family can participate. They can't *see* their family because missions are largely served far from home
I can't get over the fact that salafism is just op in every stat lol.
A few comments about the Amish… I used to work on a farm with a lot of Amish men and I can assure you that a lot of them utilize cell phones, have lots of money stored away and out of sight of most outsiders, have a high degree of mental illness due to inbreeding in the community, and while they appear to avoid decadence typically will simply ask their bishop for permission to use just about any modern technology, architecture, etc. furthermore, a lot of them fear the threat of shunning but don’t actively practice their lifestyle unless in public
there are a lot of different levels of Amish reclusiveness, some of them do not use technology invented after the 1800s
@@davineves8529 yeah, each community is a bit different. The ones you tend to see more are the less reclusive ones, so they give kind of an inaccurate picture of how a lot, if not most, Amish people actually live. I watched a doc where a community was arguing over whether or not to allow farmers to switch from metal wheeled tractors to rubber. It was wild.
@@davineves8529 Yes, I was going to say the same thing. I worked with Old Order Amish, Mennonite, and Mennonite Brethren and there were huge differences between them.
"Mormons are wack lol"
- Me, a practicing Latter-day Saint, watching this video
Landon Lee isn’t Latter Day Saint similar?
@@demikava6663 Latter-day Saint and Mormon are synonymous. They mean the same thing.
@@landonlee3473 didn't your prophet say calling yourself mormons was a victory for satan though?
@@channelremoved32 Speaking as a former Mormon, every once and a while the church leadership will come out and say something of that sort. Most members don't really listen to something like that. Those that do change what they call themselves frequently go back to calling themselves Mormon not too long after.
I have the LDS church to thank for my ability to study at university - without being an LDS member. No one has forced their beliefs on me - which proves that the LDS is not a cult. Or at least much less so than real cults like islam.
I love how he talks about the religions like they are video game factions each with their own special abilities
As an ex-mormon, I approve this message.
I once played a little bit of Salafism. The Jihadists are most fun, but it's really annoying to have to respawn after every Terror attack.
:) if only people knew what salafiism really was... then people would realise the media makes it look bad
You didn't quite get the whole picture of the political maneuvering and financial trickery of the haredim in the video, they actually have a lot more money than one would think because of several factors.
There is a law in israel that was made to encourage families having more children a long time ago, it was revised a bit since and basically it says that for each child a family has past 2 they receive a certain amount of money per child, the amount is greater for each child, this law doesn't seem at all suspicious until you take notice that the group with the highest birthrate that is eligible for that money by the law's conditions is the haredim.
There is a lot of money that reaches their community through government funding for their own school system and various services, their community in general earns more money than you'd suspect but most of it goes to the rabis either through socially encouraged donations and fees or through other services they provide as well as direct government funding.
They have another tool that allows them a great advantage. When one person from the community wants to open some kind of business he will ask for the rabi's blessing, in addition to the fee the rabi will set certain conditions for the business such as where it is located, he will then provide a loan (which according to community laws will have an interest rate of 0) and will have all of his followers approach that business if they have need of that service instead of any competitor (the business owner also must offer a discounted price for community members). The financial and social backing of members is very large and the risk of alienation is far greater than it would seem because of it.
Drew, have you ever done a video on the Free Masons? I was halfway expecting them to be on this list. Would love to know your thoughts on them if you have any.
Do you want this guy Epstein'd?
As a mason its not a cult at all
😐Hello Mr. Shapiro, I have no Idea what my last comment meant. Infact, I don't know anything about Morals and Dogma or even the Scottish rite. I don't even exist really, no need to track anyone down.😐🕍
@@benshapiro4625 sounds like something a cultist would say
@@1053Master good you can live
I'm imagining a day in the near future when Karens are considered a cult. Think about it...
NOOO! Just stop it!
Tim lol 🤣🤣🤣 funny and possible...
Some years ago in Iowa, some Amish teenagers vandalized a vacant farm house. The kids were sentenced to 30 days in jail. They got to sleep in, watch TV and play basketball. When their parents found out how soft their treatment was, they asked the Judge to send the kids home. The Judge agreed and did so. Being at home was much more punishing than jail.
I'm assuming they were punished in their homes... oh no. Just thinking of the reasoning of a parent who takes their children to a _private_ place because they weren't punished hard enough makes me worry.
_Specially_ religious parents...
Where's trumpism?
"Afford all peoples dignity, and all ideas scrutiny."
Words to live by 👍👍
I live with what I believe is Mormons in my apartment building. They're very nice. Almost TOO nice. They're professional, well dressed/groomed, and are polite even if you ignore them. They haven't tried to convince me about their religion (yet?). I'd like to smoke a blunt with them. They're that polite and relaxed, which I respect heavily. If they talk to me about their religion, I will 100% listen to them and be cordial because of their personality.
You just did a top 6 video what’s the point in using “Tiers” if there’s only 1 on every tier.
its the language of the series hes spoofing
Did you hear about the Amish girl who got exomunicated?
2 Menonite.
Q: But wait, when does a cult stop being a cult and become a religion?
A: You can't spell culture without cult.
Usually when a group dosnt control every aspect of your life including who you spend time with and when it dosnt want all your money.
Cult: leader is alive. Religion: leader is long dead.
Ure a cult!
@@mf3659 So a "cult" isn't necessarily bad, it just has this stigma in it since most of them are pretty bad.
Anon of Peace A: In short it doesn’t but here’s a way to try to divide the two. Cults are smaller and newer and religions are bigger and older.
as a mormon, the reason it is all tight nicked, and the reason people can get exiled is because it's community based and family based. I am lucky to be living with a more liberal church(probably because of where I live) but it can quickly become sour if the people are more conservative
I'm just going to stop questioning the YT algorithm, I mean, I literally watch nothing relative to this.
15:10 Mormon entrapment is psychologically high if you've gone through the temple and agreed to eternal punishments if you don't comply
For a second, I thought you were going to say MLMs.
Hunh, I expected Scientology to be in C almost entirely off the back of the success of Operation Snow White. It's hard to believe that the cleanup aftrt that was 100% successful, and underhanded power is still power. Fair enough though.
I’m binging all of your tier lists. I love them all.
I wonder where AA would be on this list?
That rarely is spoken of, but I think there's some meat there.
Well telltale (another anti-cult channel) went over it th-cam.com/video/J0_3FEG-BSQ/w-d-xo.html
Below the Mormons and above JWs
@@dynamicworlds1 cool. I recently subbed to Telltales channel. I am also a recovering alcoholic (no AA for me, I refused to drink that koolaid). I will check out his take.
The scariest thing about AA is that its widely accepted as just a sobriety/addictions service. Judges might force you to join in order to stay out of jail in some circumstances.
Ok but lets be real, the best sect ever existed was Pythagoras' .
*behold the holy beans*
To Pythagoras, they really were "the musical fruit."
Mormon missionaries are allowed to call home once a week.
not true, unless they changed it recently. They are allowed to email home once a week, and call home twice a year (I served 2011-2012)
Christopher Rowley it’s been changed since then buddy
@@gerardodominguez5755 ahhh so it USED to be a cult but now it's fine?
_Now_ they are, but only a few years ago (when I was a mormon and served a mission) we couldn't.
@@christopherrowley7506 lol right? "Oh well we USED to be super controlling and culty but now we've eased up a little! And yes, we know the truth about the universe and the secret to salvation"
If you’re Amish you can apply for a bit certificate once you’re in the world. My boss was formerly Amish and told me about the process. He actually said it was quite easy
Maybe it’s just Canadian Mormonism and the fact that our population isn’t dense but, I left the church freely and they all know I don’t believe yet they still associate with me. Missionaries are supposed to be super strict, it’s kinda like priests in most religions. The whole underwear thing I never really got though.
Also I 100% realize that Mormonism doesn’t any truth behind it and as a result I am atheist.
Again I’m speaking from what I know but from experience, they invite you to a lot of events but the less religious families just don’t get invited to the more religious events or stuff like giving to charity. They do however always invite us and anyone from the community to a lot of their activities like corn busts and potlucks.
Edit: half my family is gay and one is trans and they don’t care at all 🤷♀️
I wonder, I'm also in canada and the ex mormons I know never had issues with being shunned, I'm ex jw myself. And yeah I may as well be dead now
@@lishabrit4696 that sucks dude i have some friends in your situation. Yeah I live in Utah and my friend group since highschool has seen people join and leave the mormon church and none of them have been ostracized by our friend group or members of the church in fact in Utah it's kind of the other way around in my experience, people that join the church are hated by their non-mormon families and people that leave the church aren't. Kind of odd.
@@Spencer_p2 yeah I could see that being the case kn Utah. Such a trivial thing for people to act that way!
I'm glad Mormons made A tier. Having left that religion I feel justified in the turmoil I went through while leaving.