Thank you to Jo Millington for taking part in this episode. For more information about Jo’s blood pattern training space visit spattered.co.uk or to find out more about her forensic work with potential miscarriages of justice visit insidejustice.co.uk.
These things always make me wonder how the people pictured are "as a person" rather than the specifics of a "forensic scientist" so to speak, people aren't their job... Like I used to be a 'senior software developer' which would give this "arch nerd" type of image, but I'm also a father, at times hard to get to 'be serious', speak 5 human languages and love to cook. The random bits and bobs that fill in the 'not forensic science' if you get what I mean, whatever they are.
@@aussiejubes C# best, some Javascript, some C dialects, to a lesser degree from Lisp to Basic and Pascal ;-). Least human I suppose would be either 'horse comms' or ASM.
@@noth606 I'm glad you answered! I was wondering where you'd go with that. I googled horse comms. It's only coming up with literal talking to horses. Are you a horse whisperer? 😯
I was thinking the same thing. This is really interesting. I've listened to some great audiobooks the prison doctor by Amanda Brown worked hmp wormwood and hmp bronzefield the governor by Vanessa Frake worked at Holloway and wormwood scrubs. These books are a great way to understand the criminal justice and prison system better when it works and when it doesn't. From the view of a former governor and doctor who went from a suburban medical centre to working in prison starting with a young offenders unit to wormwood scrubs
I was lucky enough to meet Ms Millington at a science conference I went to with my school and she was the most wonderfully kind and patient person with us. Not many people as respected in their field as her, would make time for a gang of 12 y/o girls with only the barest understanding for what she does but the way she spoke with us and broke things down sticks with me even now. It was a major part of my decision to go into sciences later in school. A truly incredible woman. (Edit for typos)
I'm sure she remembers how much something simple as a forensic tv show influenced her as a child, so she realizes that it isn't the age of the audience, it's the interest. She took y'all seriously.
It is really crazy how well some people can really compartmentalize and keep home things at home and keep work issues at work and they never let the 2 mix. And then some of us just can't... I can't turn my brain off and I would run that over and over again and again in my head when I'm trying to go to sleep & if I'm worried about something at home I would think about it all day at work...
Whilst the conversation topic was gruesome, this interview was inspiring to hear from someone who absolutely loves their job and respects it for what it is
A university lecturer once told me that the dropout rate of students in the forensics course that ran a uni near where I live is insanely high., like over 90 percent by final year. She seemed to think that people watch CSI and think the job would be like it is on TV. When they realize that it's a lot different and not at all glamourous or cool, they drop out. That aside, this was a very interesting video.
Yeah, in CSI they don't show all the boring lab and equipment cleaning or the boring computer admin/archiving stuff you need to complete for every item you examine. xD Just the pretty colourful reactions.
I have to say, what I've gleaned from watching those "how they caught them" episodic documentary shows, is how the absolute last vocation I'd go into in law enforcement is CSI. Utterly boring with long hours of being in uncomfortable positions & needing more attention to detail under duress that I have in me. I've often wondered who would go into this job. It has to be a passion.
My secondary school took a few of us kids to the local uni for a scientific and health careers day. The forensic scientist and forensic psychologics (and also the midwife who was also there) was very very blunt and it was just after the police force got rid of their forensic science divisions to bring in independent ones. She talked about cases where psychiatrists were involved in their work to get to the bottom of cases and how gruesome they would be, especially since there now wasn't regular government mandated therapy because of their work.
Listening to her, I am in awe. And I'm cackling a bit because, bless her parents. Can you imagine sitting down with the head master and tell him that your daughter, at that time probably still a bit of a touchy subject in and of itself, wants to go all science to acquire a degree which qualifies her to professionally look at dead people? I live for that kind of parental support. What a lucky human she is to have found her true calling and be supported by her family through it all!
Can't speak for her parents, but when I wanted to go into forensics my mother refused to "let a creative confine themselves to crime scenes and dead bodies, in offices or morgues all day" so it's always stayed a side fascination
@@prettypurplepsycho5469That's so sad to hear. :(( I'm a creative and have been my whole life, but I aspire to be a funeral director and embalmer. My parents are very supportive of it, because they don't want me losing my passion for my crafts by making it a career.
"tell him that your daughter, at that time probably still a bit of a touchy subject in and of itself" Why would 'your daughter' be a touchy subject in and of itself? Bizarre thing to say.
Jo is outstanding and is one of UK's leading biology BPA scientists. Her work takes her all over the world and she's in much demand. She's currently delivering some basic training to a new cohort of UK CSI's via the Forensic Training Partnership at Cranfield University.
Has she any recorded lectures? She explains things in such logical order and with such clarity that one could learn a great deal about the sciences from her.
She's a modern day Dexter, but without all the killing! Fascinating and thoroughly enjoyable to listen to Jo, she's an incredible speaker! Would love to read her book if she ever wrote one!
Nah Dexter is full of himself dude didn't care about crap like Joey Quinn said The neighbour is crying more over his dead wife then Dexter himself 😂 Dexter infact in his head would be annoyed listening to her he thought about killing 24x7 lol
I love listening to people who pick a vocation. People that are so passionate about what they do, it’s never just a job to them. It’s their life. Inspiring, great role model for women in STEM too. I could listen to so much more from her
So I was about to write a comment about how well spoken she is and that I could listen to her for hours and found that most comments are saying exactly the same thing. Big respect for her work.
I was lucky enough to have Jo come to our uni and teach a class to us about blood pattern analysis. She was so kind and knowledgable and we really enjoyed the class that day. We learned so much☺️
There are tens of thousands of remarkable scientists in the world, however the number who can communicate their work as wonderfully as Jo can is a much much smaller number. She needs to have her own tv show!
What I loved hearing is how she knew so early on who she wanted to be and succeeded in fulfilling her pursuits, and then the results of which invariably benefited society in critical ways. Such a story of identity really gives me a feeling of joy, for lack of better word, for it to have occurred.
This is exactly what my 13 year old daughter wants to do. The school know exactly what she wants to do - whenever they have their time to read a book from home in tutor group they always ask questions like “is that another serial killer investigation book?” “ why are you reading a blood spatter analysis book” “why are you reading a book written by someone about postmortems?” I think they have given up thinking they should tell her to look at other careers and just embraced her passion now.
Does she read any fiction or only nonfiction works. The Scarpetta series is a very good series of the inner workings of a forensic pathologist and different positions and situations that she works in. I loved that series but it may not be amongst the type of materials that she's interested in. I wish her immense success and happiness on her journey.
@laratheplanespotter I hope that you will do well in your chosen field in the future. We need more people like yourself who are enthusiastic and dedicated in this particular branch of science. Wishing you all good luck for now and for the future. 💐👏
Being so consistently in the presence of an assault scene would just be utterly disgusting. I'm thankful that people like Jo exist. Our society could not function properly without such people.
It's what they do. I'm sure those who work within Jo's area have training to steel themselves. Jo herself is most likely desensitized to blood, gore, and violence.
Every 4th week, I was the on call child protective svcs nurse, almost every call included a forensic investigator. The details this man could find amazed me. It's a tough job.
I once thought about going into forensics, but when I worked for a short while in care to get some healthcare experience I was working with old people and had to be dealing with feces, vomit and blood. I couldn't handle it, I just couldn't. I quit in less than 2 months and decided to become a nutritionist instead in university. Mad respect for this lady and the many others that work in forensics who see many horrific things and viscera on a day to day basis
@@viliabone1952 Yes, I know it's 2 different professions but do do you not understand what I'm trying to say about having to deal with hazardous materials and viscera? Have you ever walked into a room that had the stuff plastered onto the walls and a person? I bet you've never had to go in and get your hands dirty to clean that person up whilst worrying about contracting Nd infection yourself, all whilst reassuring the other person that everything is going to be ok even though they're terminally ill?
I had a friend who always wanted to be a nurse until she became a cleaner for an old people's home. Not many people have what it takes to deal with dirty protests.
What a lovely woman; fiercely intelligent, humble, empathetic & a trailblazer in her field. I could listen to her talk for hours. What a remarkable lady!
It gives me so much joy to see a person truly loving their work. It gives me even more joy to see a scientist, who's a woman on top of their respective field!
Yeah. Ive had a nose bleed drip into the bathroom sink and it splatters quite a bit. So i clean it all and a week later i found a couple spots on the side of the cupboard the sink sits on. And these days all they need is a tiny speck so..pretty hard to get away with anything.
The thing that surprises me the most is HAIR. Like I know they can only get DNA from the follicle and this and that and the other, but I am surprised at how often I'm going about my day and find a strand of hair somewhere. You don't really realize how much falls out just naturally. And I dye my hair bright pink so it's a bit easier to see, but for example, going in my mom's room and going in her closet and finding a hair on something knowing I haven't been in in ages? Just naturally the way hair travels getting picked up by a cross breeze or running my hand through my hair. Very interesting to think about
The key is to deprive them of the crime scene period. If you’re gonna do someone, you have to ensure that the body is never found and the authorities never find where it was carried out. If you can’t ensure both of those things then the amount of insane forensic techniques they have is likely to eventually catch you, even if it takes decades.
@@scottashe984 Medical tests use so much blood because they’re not testing for DNA. They’re looking at whole blood, hormones, metabolites, etc. They’re also trying to keep the cost down, so they’re using known extremely reliable techniques and likely older equipment. Totally different from just trying to establish some type of link. Yes, it’s true that most murders go unsolved. That’s more a question of police motivation and resources than any inherent lack of forensic evidence. If some drug dealer in the ghetto in New York gets shot in the face in an alley and there’s no easy evidence to find, they’re just not going to try that hard to solve it. It depends on jurisdiction and victim.
Ive just finished my a levels in chemistry, biology and physics, and about to do forensic science, im so excited and watching this has solidified that its a good choice 🎉
She was absolutely captivating to watch and listen to. Her knowledge and understanding of her job, but also her empathy and soul understanding of how each space is sacred was intriguing. She has not allowed her job to get to her head at all. How admirable
She’s like the opposite of Dexter. With everything she’s seen, she’s never lost sight of the fact that the crime scenes were where someone spent their last moments. Very cool interview!
I remember watching ‘Indelible Evidence’ when I was a young girl, and being fascinated. There was a particular episode where the forensics were able to make an image of a man’s face shape from the bite marks in an apple left at the scene of a crime. For its time it was an absolutely brilliant programme 👍🏻
Being a 6th form computing and maths teacher in the ‘80’s, female students were in the minority in my classes. What wonderfully supportive parents you had, they respected your choices and ensured the school would respect them too. Congratulations to them. The ancient saying ‘If you do what you love, you'll never work a day in your life’ may be clichéd but it is clearly true for you. Listening to you immediately brought to mind the Shaker hymn ‘Simple Gifts’. There’s a line that says; ‘Tis the gift to come down where we ought to be,…’. You have come down where you aught to be Jo. Congratulations to you.
Im so tired of hearing "female students were in the minority/female in male dominated field". Women have been saying this for 60 years as if there have been no progress. Women have been doctors, surgeons, judges, etc my entire life. 68% of college graduates are FEMALE. Women have had it easier than men my entire life. How much longer are we gonna hear about "the struggles of women"?
Miss Millington you are an inspiration! I rank you up there with first responders. I pray for your mental health because it can't be easy and I'm sure that that's an understatement. I'm overwhelmed by your intelligence and your insight into human behavior and the smallest details. Thank you so much for doing a job that can't be easy because I'm sure you've brought a lot of peace to families who have been victims of violent crimes! God bless you And thank you for being a role model and leading the way as a woman in your field!
I went to college to be a forensic scientist, I was even accepted under that major, but it was much too difficult for me, so I majored in something I could do well: psychology. I wish in hindsight 21 years after graduation that I stuck with it.
@VAghahe1985 psychology needs even more mental strength because it deals with strength of the mind. They've proven that physical abuse isn't as harmful as mental abuse. So if you can't handle physical forensics, don't even think about studying psychology. It'll test you to your core.
she's got such a nice, calm demeanor. makes her perfect for this job. also, I've always loved the famous forensics quote "every contact leaves a trace"
Its locards exchange principle, people will leave something of themselves at a scene and take something with them. We're all taught it when going into crime scene/forensic work.
I think its amazing that jo was so inspired by watching the indelible evidence program with her mum to be a forensic scientist and now some young person might watch this and be so inspired by her stories and want to be one too! ❤️
I could just listen to Jo all day, what a well spoken woman this was just so interesting! I’ve wanted to be in forensics for years now I only wish I knew that when I was in school, I never chose science or maths or chemistry because I never thought I was smart enough to do those subjects, and back in school I didn’t want to put the effort in to subjects I thought were too “difficult” for me, but when you realise how learning those topics at a younger age can help in the future and encourage you to pursue a career like forensics it really puts things into perspective. This video has definitely given me the push to start my journey into studying. The passion Jo has for her job is incredibly inspiring and I aspire to be someone like her in the future!!
I always wanted to be a forensic scientist but I couldn’t find it at any uni when I looked. The biology couldn’t even get me into it like you can now. I am so glad that she got to follow her passion and has helped other people and give those who can’t speak to give them a voice. It’s thanks to people like herself that crimes are solved x
What an amazing talented lady. So well spoken and respectful of the things she has experienced. She has a comforting way of explaining how things work.
Oh she is AMAZING. What a respectful human being, it’s crazy how detailed she is in explaining this horrible scenes while being the absolutely respectful of it.
Kind of off topic but - I’ve been having chronic nose bleeds all my life, at times my bathroom will look like a murder scene when it’s been particularly bad. I would really like to see how bright my bathroom/room glows with the luminol 😅 it would probably be blinding! But yeah, what an interesting lady! I’ve always wanted to get into criminal psychology or something with forensics. I think it’s all just so interesting, and what’s better than helping solve a crime to help another human being, or advocate for the deceased who’ve lost their voice…
this might be a little weird to ask, but have you ever had any surgery for it? i used to get nosebleeds BAD, like gushing blood out of nowhere. i had a septoplasty done and they stopped completely. not sure what was causing them but it was definitely a positive side effect that i didn’t expect
@@pinkfeet518I’d recommend just visiting an Ear Nose and Throat specialist. It can be caused by an exposed blood vessel. I had the same problem and all the doctor needed to do was cauterize the exposed blood vessel.
Depends on how often you clean since cleaning chemicals will have an effect on blood that would make it no longer react with luminol. It also depends on what with because there are some other things it can react with iirc (to be fair it's off CSI that I'm recalling so it's not exactly hard data).
She’s brilliant! In my neuroscience/premed final year and I’ve taken the exact classes she took in undergrad. While that’s difficult in it’s own right, being able to extrapolate such compelling evidence from patterns and pieces of assaulters they’ve left behind…mind blowing and such important work! She needs to write a book or produce a tv show with the knowledge base she has which seems so modern and all encompassing. Amazing video, above all…amazing woman ❤️
What an incredible woman! Empathetic, extremely intelligent and well-spoken. If anybody had to solve my crime scene, I would want it to be her 😅 I could talk with her for hours!
I love the passion in her stories, especially the last minute when she said about the Blackpool analogy. It's always nice to hear that someone has the vocation they dreamed of 😊
Absolute respect for this lady who is clearly professional, passionate, and deeply knowledgeable. I particularly appreciate how she says that the crimescene is an 'honoured space', because someone spent their last moments there. Her self-awareness in regards to mental health is super important and I hope it informs others.
What an absolute hero ❤️ Thanks to Jo and all the others like her who help bring killers to justice and some measure of closure to the families and loved ones of the deceased
I'm always so bitter when I hear someone say "I knew what I wanted to do in school". How lucky is that? To discover a meaningful passion that can be turned into a rewarding and lucrative career. I'm 34 and I still live with my dad because working in retail pays peanuts. I've tried self educating myself in web development and it took me 3 years just to learn the basics from html to react. I managed to land a job with no experience or qualifications, but I quit the same week I was hired because I couldn't handle the pressure of everything they wanted me to learn in just a year. I feel like I operate at half the capacity of everyone else.
ive always just wanted to work at mcdonalds 😭 my boyfriend has a really big ambitious dream so i just wanted to work at mcdonalds and support him. why did i want to work at mcdonalds? i love mcnuggets
Also autistic, w/ ADD, anxiety, and depression, but it doesn’t mean we won’t get there; it just means it’s going to take longer, bc of all the voluminous invisible labor we are always having to do, just to function. Like processing more sensory information than neurotypical people generally do. It takes a lot of energy to do, and once you develop a backlog, everything functions at much lower efficiency. Try to keep your head up! I work 6 days a week, but I’m also in school online, part-time. I’ve had tons of setbacks, but I’m determined AF, and I know I didn’t come all this way, to stop short of my goals. You need to identify what you’re passionate about. Maybe you can find meaningful work that incorporates your interests; maybe you end up choosing work that allows you to focus on your passions during your personal time. People have lived with family for centuries; nuclear family-style households have really only been a thing since post WWII, when sitcoms came out, as part of a huge PR campaign aimed at increasing nationwide spending on things like toasters, vacuum cleaners, etc. Don’t let yourself get judgey towards yourself- take time to think about what you actually even want, visualizing different options, and paying attention to how you feel when considering each possibility. That’s my best advice. Try not to let yourself get depressed, bc then it’s way harder to get anything done, and it’s also hard to climb out of, for many of us. Rooting for you, from a distance 💜⚡️
It’s so incredibly interesting and easy to listen to Jo speak. Her passion for her specialty is infectious. I only wish there were hours and hours more to listen to. Thank you to all involved!
Jo is an inspiration. Jo really has a passion for forensics. You can trust Jo to get justice. Jo is a role model . Jo is a wonderful forensic scientist ❤
The Blackpool rock analogy made me smile! Thank you Jo (and Ladbible) for sharing some of your fascinating life experiences - so wholesome, honest and kind
I always find it so cool when people know what they want to do so young and just go for it. Always helps to have awesome parents who recognise and support your passions like that.
To know what she wanted to do with her studies/life/career with such certainty at a young age, to stay the course through long hours, days, months and years of study and research, and to avoid impulsive actions like dropping out of school to get married or veering off course by having children early and derailing her career….she must be extremely disciplined, quite intelligent, very motivated and able to control her actions/reactions over a long period of time. Bravo to her. A great example for other young, professional women.
I would love to listen to Jo all day!! What an absolute treasure of a person! You can feel how compassionate she is, what an incredible interview this was! I will surely be looking her up after this! Jo if you are reading any of these comments please take away how wonderful we have all found you! Thank you for your time! ❤
Simply wow. And when she says she's a small part of a big team... I think she's literally the most important one. She is the highest level professional.
So the number 1 thing that now keeps me from ever committing such crimes is honestly that I know I would never be that clean to not let Jo Millington down. I couldn't live with myself. She seems so cool, so well tempered and smart. I just couldn't be judged by her. There are other good reasons too, sure, but this would be my main concern, swear.
It is amazing how she can tell stories about horrific crime scenes, almost as if she is disconnected but then is obviously not at all and 100% understands and cares for each one.
What a weird coincidence! I was watching a video on the exact cannibal case she was talking about just a couple hours before this video. His name was Peter Bryan, and the details of his case fit what she describes perfectly.
I loved this interview. Thank you Jo Millington for taking the time to talk about your passion for forensics and sharing your experiences. You are an inspiration for all of us wanting to do what we have a passion for.
you're absolutely correct, there's still so much time! to be totally honest, 30 is so young, people start and switch careers all the time at this age and older, with the added benefit of what they've learned from previous experiences about what they do and don't want from a career that best suits them. good luck in finding a profession that calls to you and brings you satisfaction. and even if you don't find it, i hope you find a job that you're alright with and have other things in your life that fulfil and motivate you 💖
This is fascinating, thank you. Jo Millington demonstrates compassion and empathy for the victims. You can see she's moved even as she recalls different crime scenes. And on a different note, I like the way she is dressed, tidy and relaxed. I have some shirts similar to her's from London.
Just comes across as a lovely human being. You don't often come across them but when you do, even if it's online, it provides hope in humanity. Cheers for that.
Love that around 19:55 her message to potential criminals is simply, “Don’t underestimate forensics.” Not, “Quit murdering each other, be kind, get some mental health help,” etc. Just, “Science rawks.”
I know it sounds morbid but I wish there were crime scene photos to know what they really look like. And how does forensic science procedures change from place to place and evolve with new tech.
This woman and her colleagues are truly amazing. They use their intelligence and experience to bring closure, answers and justice for the families and the victims.
Amazing just listening to the other side and how they conduct this operation. I was jailed in 2013 and this lady was the BPS in my case. It was reduced from AM to Section 18.
I’m in awe of all forensic scientists, they do an incredible and crucial job in difficult situations. Their knowledge and professionalism is extraordinary. Jo is one of the best in the world.
What an amazing human being. It gives me comfort just to know their is someone who not only truly cares about what she does, but uses her intelligence to shine light in such a dark reality of our civilization. Thank you ma'am!❤
Thank you to Jo Millington for taking part in this episode. For more information about Jo’s blood pattern training space visit spattered.co.uk or to find out more about her forensic work with potential miscarriages of justice visit insidejustice.co.uk.
i have not doubt she's smart BUT is she "i could find Dexter" smart???
Suicide bombers, ISIS, AL QAEDAR are all mossad,MI5 and CIA. Give up on the lies
Absolutely awesome video
She's so blessed to have had parents who let her follow her dreams. That's priceless.
Her humility is so refreshing, especially in light of how brilliant she is.
I worked with Jo for years. She is an incredible scientist and a skilled communicator, not to mention a great role model.
These things always make me wonder how the people pictured are "as a person" rather than the specifics of a "forensic scientist" so to speak, people aren't their job... Like I used to be a 'senior software developer' which would give this "arch nerd" type of image, but I'm also a father, at times hard to get to 'be serious', speak 5 human languages and love to cook. The random bits and bobs that fill in the 'not forensic science' if you get what I mean, whatever they are.
@noth606 you sound like a particularly rad individual I’d be happy to know. 😄
@noth606 which non-human languages do you know?
@@aussiejubes C# best, some Javascript, some C dialects, to a lesser degree from Lisp to Basic and Pascal ;-). Least human I suppose would be either 'horse comms' or ASM.
@@noth606 I'm glad you answered! I was wondering where you'd go with that. I googled horse comms. It's only coming up with literal talking to horses. Are you a horse whisperer? 😯
7 minutes in and I already know I could listen to her talk for hours and be fully captivated. It's a rare gift nowadays
It is a rare gift,she's very calming ❤
Seriously! I was just thinking this lol ❤
I was thinking the same thing. This is really interesting. I've listened to some great audiobooks the prison doctor by Amanda Brown worked hmp wormwood and hmp bronzefield the governor by Vanessa Frake worked at Holloway and wormwood scrubs. These books are a great way to understand the criminal justice and prison system better when it works and when it doesn't. From the view of a former governor and doctor who went from a suburban medical centre to working in prison starting with a young offenders unit to wormwood scrubs
Indeed...
I was lead here by a short, it was enough for me to want to hear her talk about her job. ❤
She needs to write a book and record the audiobook. She is a wonderfully fascinating scientist and storyteller. Such brilliance and compassion!
I would 100% read and listen to her book
@@jaiebusst4671 I was literally going to say same thing
Same same same!
I wanted to say the same thing but less eloquently. Thank you for your comment!
We don't need psychopaths knowing how to possibly get out of a murder. 😂
You can tell she is very empathetic by how she talks about her work. Her prioritizing respect for the individuals who have passed away is so kind.
Shut up 🙄
@@lefthandwarlock8503 no you, no one asked for your input.
@@lefthandwarlock8503why?
@@lefthandwarlock8503wow ur so edgy!!😃😃😃
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I was lucky enough to meet Ms Millington at a science conference I went to with my school and she was the most wonderfully kind and patient person with us. Not many people as respected in their field as her, would make time for a gang of 12 y/o girls with only the barest understanding for what she does but the way she spoke with us and broke things down sticks with me even now. It was a major part of my decision to go into sciences later in school. A truly incredible woman.
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How fantastic
I'm sure she remembers how much something simple as a forensic tv show influenced her as a child, so she realizes that it isn't the age of the audience, it's the interest. She took y'all seriously.
Its great to see when people are actually good outside of their job titles
Sounds like Jo defies the "never meet your heroes " saying
What an amazing experience that helped mold you into the person you are today!!! Love this story.
🙏🙏🙏
Admirable how she’s able to continue to work in situations that would leave most of us rocking in a corner from 1 crime scene.
😂😂😂
Truth!
Is a God given talent I believe…I’m amazed by this scientist investigators…
It is really crazy how well some people can really compartmentalize and keep home things at home and keep work issues at work and they never let the 2 mix. And then some of us just can't... I can't turn my brain off and I would run that over and over again and again in my head when I'm trying to go to sleep & if I'm worried about something at home I would think about it all day at work...
Many policemen who see one of the really bad crime scenes immediatly quit afterwards. And until it happens you can't really tell who reacts how.
Whilst the conversation topic was gruesome, this interview was inspiring to hear from someone who absolutely loves their job and respects it for what it is
A university lecturer once told me that the dropout rate of students in the forensics course that ran a uni near where I live is insanely high., like over 90 percent by final year. She seemed to think that people watch CSI and think the job would be like it is on TV. When they realize that it's a lot different and not at all glamourous or cool, they drop out. That aside, this was a very interesting video.
I did a course at the morgue before and a lot of people just couldn't handle what they seen...which is understandable ❤
Yeah, in CSI they don't show all the boring lab and equipment cleaning or the boring computer admin/archiving stuff you need to complete for every item you examine. xD Just the pretty colourful reactions.
I have to say, what I've gleaned from watching those "how they caught them" episodic documentary shows, is how the absolute last vocation I'd go into in law enforcement is CSI. Utterly boring with long hours of being in uncomfortable positions & needing more attention to detail under duress that I have in me. I've often wondered who would go into this job. It has to be a passion.
My secondary school took a few of us kids to the local uni for a scientific and health careers day. The forensic scientist and forensic psychologics (and also the midwife who was also there) was very very blunt and it was just after the police force got rid of their forensic science divisions to bring in independent ones. She talked about cases where psychiatrists were involved in their work to get to the bottom of cases and how gruesome they would be, especially since there now wasn't regular government mandated therapy because of their work.
This is true, I take forensics courses as electives and most of my classmates majoring in forensic sciences dropped out by year 2.
She seems like a person you could just trust. With brining justice, with having your back, with finding answers.
I was thinking this! What a woman!
Unless you are guilty!
Can't trust no one
She really does, I get that vibe too
There's nothing better than brined justice.
Listening to her, I am in awe. And I'm cackling a bit because, bless her parents. Can you imagine sitting down with the head master and tell him that your daughter, at that time probably still a bit of a touchy subject in and of itself, wants to go all science to acquire a degree which qualifies her to professionally look at dead people? I live for that kind of parental support.
What a lucky human she is to have found her true calling and be supported by her family through it all!
Can't speak for her parents, but when I wanted to go into forensics my mother refused to "let a creative confine themselves to crime scenes and dead bodies, in offices or morgues all day" so it's always stayed a side fascination
@@prettypurplepsycho5469That's so sad to hear. :(( I'm a creative and have been my whole life, but I aspire to be a funeral director and embalmer. My parents are very supportive of it, because they don't want me losing my passion for my crafts by making it a career.
"tell him that your daughter, at that time probably still a bit of a touchy subject in and of itself" Why would 'your daughter' be a touchy subject in and of itself? Bizarre thing to say.
@@FigaroHeywomen in stem fields duh
@@FigaroHey You are naive
Jo is outstanding and is one of UK's leading biology BPA scientists. Her work takes her all over the world and she's in much demand. She's currently delivering some basic training to a new cohort of UK CSI's via the Forensic Training Partnership at Cranfield University.
Found Jo's TH-cam account!
Does she originally come from Preston? She seems familiar.
Has she any recorded lectures? She explains things in such logical order and with such clarity that one could learn a great deal about the sciences from her.
What an interesting life she has. She is fascinating to listen to.
She's a modern day Dexter, but without all the killing! Fascinating and thoroughly enjoyable to listen to Jo, she's an incredible speaker! Would love to read her book if she ever wrote one!
And she studied in Miami aswell
I was thinking the very same thing.
Well… as far as we know, it’s without all the killing…😳😳😳
😂😂😂 just kidding. I had to.
Damn it, I just made a Dexter comment. I thought I was so clever for a minute. But I see I'm 4 weeks late😅
Nah Dexter is full of himself dude didn't care about crap like Joey Quinn said The neighbour is crying more over his dead wife then Dexter himself 😂 Dexter infact in his head would be annoyed listening to her he thought about killing 24x7 lol
I love listening to people who pick a vocation. People that are so passionate about what they do, it’s never just a job to them. It’s their life. Inspiring, great role model for women in STEM too. I could listen to so much more from her
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So I was about to write a comment about how well spoken she is and that I could listen to her for hours and found that most comments are saying exactly the same thing. Big respect for her work.
I was lucky enough to have Jo come to our uni and teach a class to us about blood pattern analysis. She was so kind and knowledgable and we really enjoyed the class that day. We learned so much☺️
Excellent but a lot of ads which are very irritating.
There are tens of thousands of remarkable scientists in the world, however the number who can communicate their work as wonderfully as Jo can is a much much smaller number. She needs to have her own tv show!
I agree with everything you said except the last sentence!
Shes average. Have you not watched many true crime shows?
@@olliefoxx7165so, what degrees do you hold in forensic science?..... 🤔🙄
What I loved hearing is how she knew so early on who she wanted to be and succeeded in fulfilling her pursuits, and then the results of which invariably benefited society in critical ways. Such a story of identity really gives me a feeling of joy, for lack of better word, for it to have occurred.
This is exactly what my 13 year old daughter wants to do. The school know exactly what she wants to do - whenever they have their time to read a book from home in tutor group they always ask questions like “is that another serial killer investigation book?” “ why are you reading a blood spatter analysis book” “why are you reading a book written by someone about postmortems?” I think they have given up thinking they should tell her to look at other careers and just embraced her passion now.
Does she read any fiction or only nonfiction works. The Scarpetta series is a very good series of the inner workings of a forensic pathologist and different positions and situations that she works in. I loved that series but it may not be amongst the type of materials that she's interested in. I wish her immense success and happiness on her journey.
Well I'm not gonna say that's worrying... but it is a bit peculiar. Lol. Good luck to her.
I hope you'll show her this video so she might see where she could be in a few decades!
GOOD, ITS UP TO HER, NOT THE SCHOOL
@@VingulNO ITS NOT
I love Jo! I’m at university right now doing forensic science. I’m just going into my last year. Can’t wait to be qualified!
@laratheplanespotter I hope that you will do well in your chosen field in the future. We need more people like yourself who are enthusiastic and dedicated in this particular branch of science. Wishing you all good luck for now and for the future. 💐👏
I'm sure you'll do great work once you're hired
Thank you for your lovely comments 💞
What an absolute legend. Cheers to Mom and Dad for being so supportive.
thats a woman who truly knew what she wanted to do and did it. incredible
Being so consistently in the presence of an assault scene would just be utterly disgusting. I'm thankful that people like Jo exist. Our society could not function properly without such people.
It's what they do.
I'm sure those who work within Jo's area have training to steel themselves. Jo herself is most likely desensitized to blood, gore, and violence.
Every 4th week, I was the on call child protective svcs nurse, almost every call included a forensic investigator. The details this man could find amazed me. It's a tough job.
Your job must be tough too though - more power to you! 🙏🏻🙌🏻
I once thought about going into forensics, but when I worked for a short while in care to get some healthcare experience I was working with old people and had to be dealing with feces, vomit and blood. I couldn't handle it, I just couldn't. I quit in less than 2 months and decided to become a nutritionist instead in university. Mad respect for this lady and the many others that work in forensics who see many horrific things and viscera on a day to day basis
I don't think you can compare the two professions!! No cleaning up feces as a forensic scientist.
@@viliabone1952 Yes, I know it's 2 different professions but do do you not understand what I'm trying to say about having to deal with hazardous materials and viscera? Have you ever walked into a room that had the stuff plastered onto the walls and a person? I bet you've never had to go in and get your hands dirty to clean that person up whilst worrying about contracting Nd infection yourself, all whilst reassuring the other person that everything is going to be ok even though they're terminally ill?
I had a friend who always wanted to be a nurse until she became a cleaner for an old people's home. Not many people have what it takes to deal with dirty protests.
@@SuperKendomanyou aren't cleaning stuff up in her job...
@@amp4105 Jesus Christ the post is 4 months old, move on
What a lovely woman; fiercely intelligent, humble, empathetic & a trailblazer in her field. I could listen to her talk for hours. What a remarkable lady!
It gives me so much joy to see a person truly loving their work. It gives me even more joy to see a scientist, who's a woman on top of their respective field!
I thought the same thing!
Yeah. Ive had a nose bleed drip into the bathroom sink and it splatters quite a bit. So i clean it all and a week later i found a couple spots on the side of the cupboard the sink sits on. And these days all they need is a tiny speck so..pretty hard to get away with anything.
The thing that surprises me the most is HAIR. Like I know they can only get DNA from the follicle and this and that and the other, but I am surprised at how often I'm going about my day and find a strand of hair somewhere. You don't really realize how much falls out just naturally. And I dye my hair bright pink so it's a bit easier to see, but for example, going in my mom's room and going in her closet and finding a hair on something knowing I haven't been in in ages? Just naturally the way hair travels getting picked up by a cross breeze or running my hand through my hair. Very interesting to think about
The key is to deprive them of the crime scene period. If you’re gonna do someone, you have to ensure that the body is never found and the authorities never find where it was carried out. If you can’t ensure both of those things then the amount of insane forensic techniques they have is likely to eventually catch you, even if it takes decades.
But when you get get blood drawn for a test they take 6 vials because a speck isn't enough.
Most murders go unsolved. People dissappear every day in every state of every nation never to reappear alive again.
@@scottashe984 Medical tests use so much blood because they’re not testing for DNA. They’re looking at whole blood, hormones, metabolites, etc. They’re also trying to keep the cost down, so they’re using known extremely reliable techniques and likely older equipment. Totally different from just trying to establish some type of link. Yes, it’s true that most murders go unsolved. That’s more a question of police motivation and resources than any inherent lack of forensic evidence. If some drug dealer in the ghetto in New York gets shot in the face in an alley and there’s no easy evidence to find, they’re just not going to try that hard to solve it. It depends on jurisdiction and victim.
Ive just finished my a levels in chemistry, biology and physics, and about to do forensic science, im so excited and watching this has solidified that its a good choice 🎉
Best of luck! :)
She was absolutely captivating to watch and listen to. Her knowledge and understanding of her job, but also her empathy and soul understanding of how each space is sacred was intriguing. She has not allowed her job to get to her head at all. How admirable
She’s like the opposite of Dexter. With everything she’s seen, she’s never lost sight of the fact that the crime scenes were where someone spent their last moments. Very cool interview!
Jo was the perfect person to do this. She is so eloquent, i could listen to Jo talk for hours. She really should write a book one day
I remember watching ‘Indelible Evidence’ when I was a young girl, and being fascinated. There was a particular episode where the forensics were able to make an image of a man’s face shape from the bite marks in an apple left at the scene of a crime. For its time it was an absolutely brilliant programme 👍🏻
I remember that episode too!
It’s impossible to do that and it wouldn’t be admissible in court anyway.
@@thearmchairjournalist566 th-cam.com/video/gV9Rj11tbJY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=h-7uZVufEKSC6_Ou
Sounds extremely pseudosciencey
@@H0n3yMonstah the episode is called ‘Windfall’ and is available to watch on TH-cam.
Being a 6th form computing and maths teacher in the ‘80’s, female students were in the minority in my classes. What wonderfully supportive parents you had, they respected your choices and ensured the school would respect them too. Congratulations to them.
The ancient saying ‘If you do what you love, you'll never work a day in your life’ may be clichéd but it is clearly true for you. Listening to you immediately brought to mind the Shaker hymn ‘Simple Gifts’. There’s a line that says; ‘Tis the gift to come down where we ought to be,…’. You have come down where you aught to be Jo. Congratulations to you.
Im so tired of hearing "female students were in the minority/female in male dominated field".
Women have been saying this for 60 years as if there have been no progress. Women have been doctors, surgeons, judges, etc my entire life. 68% of college graduates are FEMALE. Women have had it easier than men my entire life. How much longer are we gonna hear about "the struggles of women"?
Miss Millington you are an inspiration! I rank you up there with first responders. I pray for your mental health because it can't be easy and I'm sure that that's an understatement.
I'm overwhelmed by your intelligence and your insight into human behavior and the smallest details. Thank you so much for doing a job that can't be easy because I'm sure you've brought a lot of peace to families who have been victims of violent crimes! God bless you And thank you for being a role model and leading the way as a woman in your field!
What a champ. Extremely professional , respectful and empathetic. Thank god for people like this.
I went to college to be a forensic scientist, I was even accepted under that major, but it was much too difficult for me, so I majored in something I could do well: psychology. I wish in hindsight 21 years after graduation that I stuck with it.
Psychology is very beneficial too. Forensic seems like something that needs a lot of emotional blocking, not everyone is willing to do that.
@VAghahe1985 psychology needs even more mental strength because it deals with strength of the mind. They've proven that physical abuse isn't as harmful as mental abuse. So if you can't handle physical forensics, don't even think about studying psychology. It'll test you to your core.
she's got such a nice, calm demeanor. makes her perfect for this job. also, I've always loved the famous forensics quote "every contact leaves a trace"
Its locards exchange principle, people will leave something of themselves at a scene and take something with them. We're all taught it when going into crime scene/forensic work.
One of the most fascinating things I've watched for a long while!
I think its amazing that jo was so inspired by watching the indelible evidence program with her mum to be a forensic scientist and now some young person might watch this and be so inspired by her stories and want to be one too! ❤️
Amazing interview. This woman is so well-spoken, I'd watch her for hours.
What an amazing interview and what an inspirational woman. She spoke about her rile with such respect and dignity
I could just listen to Jo all day, what a well spoken woman this was just so interesting! I’ve wanted to be in forensics for years now I only wish I knew that when I was in school, I never chose science or maths or chemistry because I never thought I was smart enough to do those subjects, and back in school I didn’t want to put the effort in to subjects I thought were too “difficult” for me, but when you realise how learning those topics at a younger age can help in the future and encourage you to pursue a career like forensics it really puts things into perspective. This video has definitely given me the push to start my journey into studying. The passion Jo has for her job is incredibly inspiring and I aspire to be someone like her in the future!!
I always wanted to be a forensic scientist but I couldn’t find it at any uni when I looked. The biology couldn’t even get me into it like you can now.
I am so glad that she got to follow her passion and has helped other people and give those who can’t speak to give them a voice.
It’s thanks to people like herself that crimes are solved x
What an amazing talented lady. So well spoken and respectful of the things she has experienced. She has a comforting way of explaining how things work.
Incredible insight. Great interview. Thank you for your work Jo
Oh she is AMAZING. What a respectful human being, it’s crazy how detailed she is in explaining this horrible scenes while being the absolutely respectful of it.
Kind of off topic but - I’ve been having chronic nose bleeds all my life, at times my bathroom will look like a murder scene when it’s been particularly bad. I would really like to see how bright my bathroom/room glows with the luminol 😅 it would probably be blinding!
But yeah, what an interesting lady! I’ve always wanted to get into criminal psychology or something with forensics. I think it’s all just so interesting, and what’s better than helping solve a crime to help another human being, or advocate for the deceased who’ve lost their voice…
this might be a little weird to ask, but have you ever had any surgery for it? i used to get nosebleeds BAD, like gushing blood out of nowhere. i had a septoplasty done and they stopped completely. not sure what was causing them but it was definitely a positive side effect that i didn’t expect
@@pinkfeet518I’d recommend just visiting an Ear Nose and Throat specialist. It can be caused by an exposed blood vessel. I had the same problem and all the doctor needed to do was cauterize the exposed blood vessel.
Depends on how often you clean since cleaning chemicals will have an effect on blood that would make it no longer react with luminol. It also depends on what with because there are some other things it can react with iirc (to be fair it's off CSI that I'm recalling so it's not exactly hard data).
Please see an ENT doctor a non stop nose bleed is dangerous and watch out for any blood thinners
me too
She’s brilliant! In my neuroscience/premed final year and I’ve taken the exact classes she took in undergrad. While that’s difficult in it’s own right, being able to extrapolate such compelling evidence from patterns and pieces of assaulters they’ve left behind…mind blowing and such important work! She needs to write a book or produce a tv show with the knowledge base she has which seems so modern and all encompassing. Amazing video, above all…amazing woman ❤️
I am really quite reassured that such people exist to help solve crimes. Thank you!
What an incredible woman! Empathetic, extremely intelligent and well-spoken. If anybody had to solve my crime scene, I would want it to be her 😅 I could talk with her for hours!
I love the passion in her stories, especially the last minute when she said about the Blackpool analogy.
It's always nice to hear that someone has the vocation they dreamed of 😊
Absolute respect for this lady who is clearly professional, passionate, and deeply knowledgeable. I particularly appreciate how she says that the crimescene is an 'honoured space', because someone spent their last moments there. Her self-awareness in regards to mental health is super important and I hope it informs others.
What an absolute hero ❤️ Thanks to Jo and all the others like her who help bring killers to justice and some measure of closure to the families and loved ones of the deceased
I could listen to her all day. What an intelligent, empathetic, and incredible scientist.
What a lovely, humble, super smart person!
I could listen to Jo for hours, she speaks so well and sounds extremely knowledgeable
Thank you for this beautiful interview
I'm always so bitter when I hear someone say "I knew what I wanted to do in school".
How lucky is that? To discover a meaningful passion that can be turned into a rewarding and lucrative career.
I'm 34 and I still live with my dad because working in retail pays peanuts. I've tried self educating myself in web development and it took me 3 years just to learn the basics from html to react. I managed to land a job with no experience or qualifications, but I quit the same week I was hired because I couldn't handle the pressure of everything they wanted me to learn in just a year. I feel like I operate at half the capacity of everyone else.
ive always just wanted to work at mcdonalds 😭 my boyfriend has a really big ambitious dream so i just wanted to work at mcdonalds and support him. why did i want to work at mcdonalds? i love mcnuggets
Too real... the fact that her parents supported her even when the line of study wasn't really available is just sweet
For me, it’s the autism 😅
Also autistic, w/ ADD, anxiety, and depression, but it doesn’t mean we won’t get there; it just means it’s going to take longer, bc of all the voluminous invisible labor we are always having to do, just to function. Like processing more sensory information than neurotypical people generally do. It takes a lot of energy to do, and once you develop a backlog, everything functions at much lower efficiency.
Try to keep your head up! I work 6 days a week, but I’m also in school online, part-time. I’ve had tons of setbacks, but I’m determined AF, and I know I didn’t come all this way, to stop short of my goals.
You need to identify what you’re passionate about. Maybe you can find meaningful work that incorporates your interests; maybe you end up choosing work that allows you to focus on your passions during your personal time.
People have lived with family for centuries; nuclear family-style households have really only been a thing since post WWII, when sitcoms came out, as part of a huge PR campaign aimed at increasing nationwide spending on things like toasters, vacuum cleaners, etc. Don’t let yourself get judgey towards yourself- take time to think about what you actually even want, visualizing different options, and paying attention to how you feel when considering each possibility.
That’s my best advice. Try not to let yourself get depressed, bc then it’s way harder to get anything done, and it’s also hard to climb out of, for many of us.
Rooting for you, from a distance 💜⚡️
@sarahissersohn5495 thanks for the great pep talk! You're a gem! 😊
It’s so incredibly interesting and easy to listen to Jo speak. Her passion for her specialty is infectious. I only wish there were hours and hours more to listen to. Thank you to all involved!
It must be an incredible feeling to know your calling from such a young age and have yout parents go to bat for you to get you there
Great communicator. Really delivered the grimness of the situations without being majorly graphic.
Jo is an inspiration. Jo really has a passion for forensics. You can trust Jo to get justice. Jo is a role model . Jo is a wonderful forensic scientist ❤
I love her humility and clear respect for victims when she talks about this work that so few of us are equipped to do. Loved this interview
The Blackpool rock analogy made me smile! Thank you Jo (and Ladbible) for sharing some of your fascinating life experiences - so wholesome, honest and kind
I always find it so cool when people know what they want to do so young and just go for it. Always helps to have awesome parents who recognise and support your passions like that.
I could listen to her talk & tell stories for hours! So respectful to the job & you can tell she is passionate about it. ❤
I'm only a minute in but I had to pause and say that *HER SHIRT IS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING!* 🦊🦊🦊
Guess we need a link to buy that shirt...
I love how eloquent she is and how passionate she is about her job ♥
What an incredible human being! Could listen to Jo talk about forensics for hours!!
To know what she wanted to do with her studies/life/career with such certainty at a young age, to stay the course through long hours, days, months and years of study and research, and to avoid impulsive actions like dropping out of school to get married or veering off course by having children early and derailing her career….she must be extremely disciplined, quite intelligent, very motivated and able to control her actions/reactions over a long period of time. Bravo to her. A great example for other young, professional women.
Probably just lucky. I wanted to be an architect at 10, then went to college for it, and changed my mind. Same thing with my ex husband.
I would love to listen to Jo all day!! What an absolute treasure of a person! You can feel how compassionate she is, what an incredible interview this was! I will surely be looking her up after this! Jo if you are reading any of these comments please take away how wonderful we have all found you! Thank you for your time! ❤
What a charming and fascinating interview--I could listen to Jo Millington all evening.
Simply wow. And when she says she's a small part of a big team... I think she's literally the most important one. She is the highest level professional.
So the number 1 thing that now keeps me from ever committing such crimes is honestly that I know I would never be that clean to not let Jo Millington down. I couldn't live with myself. She seems so cool, so well tempered and smart. I just couldn't be judged by her. There are other good reasons too, sure, but this would be my main concern, swear.
that’s just a weird flex..
Slightly terrifying that this is your number 1 reason
this doesn't sound like how you thought it would sound like...
So, not morals or empathy keeping you from committing a bloody crime, just that people like Jo exist?
@@andrewsteer8860it's a joke...
I didn’t want the video to end! What a fascinating scientist, and so easy to listen to.
It is amazing how she can tell stories about horrific crime scenes, almost as if she is disconnected but then is obviously not at all and 100% understands and cares for each one.
What an incredibly skilled, talented and experienced scientific mind. And to top it off, a tremendous communicator.
What a weird coincidence! I was watching a video on the exact cannibal case she was talking about just a couple hours before this video. His name was Peter Bryan, and the details of his case fit what she describes perfectly.
That's the algorithm at work
I loved this interview. Thank you Jo Millington for taking the time to talk about your passion for forensics and sharing your experiences. You are an inspiration for all of us wanting to do what we have a passion for.
I was the same c way...took all the sciences...I'm a retired registered nurse 😊
I could listen to her all day.
Jo needs her own podcast! I could listen to her talk for hours. What an amazing career 👏🏽
What an incredibly fascinating lady. Would happily listen to her talk about her job for hours!
Jo is fascinating to listen to. What an unbelievable service she provides for the country. Another brilliant episode. Many thanks.
I hope one day to find a career I’m just as passionate about as she is.
Nearly 30 and hasn’t happened yet, but as long as you’re alive there’s hope!
you're absolutely correct, there's still so much time! to be totally honest, 30 is so young, people start and switch careers all the time at this age and older, with the added benefit of what they've learned from previous experiences about what they do and don't want from a career that best suits them. good luck in finding a profession that calls to you and brings you satisfaction. and even if you don't find it, i hope you find a job that you're alright with and have other things in your life that fulfil and motivate you 💖
This is fascinating, thank you. Jo Millington demonstrates compassion and empathy for the victims. You can see she's moved even as she recalls different crime scenes. And on a different note, I like the way she is dressed, tidy and relaxed. I have some shirts similar to her's from London.
Anybody else is thinking about watching Dexter again? 😊
Great interview, I like it all! The light and sound quality, the topic and the interview.
Watching it at the moment. Only a few episodes left. That's how I landed here...😅
Just comes across as a lovely human being. You don't often come across them but when you do, even if it's online, it provides hope in humanity. Cheers for that.
Love that around 19:55 her message to potential criminals is simply, “Don’t underestimate forensics.” Not, “Quit murdering each other, be kind, get some mental health help,” etc. Just, “Science rawks.”
Thanks
This is one of the most interesting videos I’ve seen in a long time! I would love to see more of her.
This is absolutely fascinating Jo Millington the description and background history and indepth analysis is thrilling to hear
I know it sounds morbid but I wish there were crime scene photos to know what they really look like. And how does forensic science procedures change from place to place and evolve with new tech.
Try live leak or documenting reality I should warn you though it’s extremely graphic
I agree I found this interview extremely interesting , fascinating woman who had dedicated her life to the job.
I agree too ... But usually these professionals piece together such SUBTLE clues that the big "Ah-hah" clue isn't even barely visible to lay people.
You could just Google it
This woman and her colleagues are truly amazing. They use their intelligence and experience to bring closure, answers and justice for the families and the victims.
Amazing just listening to the other side and how they conduct this operation. I was jailed in 2013 and this lady was the BPS in my case. It was reduced from AM to Section 18.
I hope you got the support you needed (and also good on Jo for that)
I’m in awe of all forensic scientists, they do an incredible and crucial job in difficult situations. Their knowledge and professionalism is extraordinary. Jo is one of the best in the world.
What a wonderful gift it is to know from a young age what it is you would like to do with your time.
What an amazing human being. It gives me comfort just to know their is someone who not only truly cares about what she does, but uses her intelligence to shine light in such a dark reality of our civilization. Thank you ma'am!❤
She looks like an incredible person and she's so interesting. Just love her
An amazing and compelling speaker who has the ability to hook you into the story. Brilliant scientist and role model
She is a professional. God bless her 🇬🇧