Which Assassin Is The BEST? (By Design) | League of Legends
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- Back with another League Ranking video! Last episode we talked about all the Mythic items in the game, and today we're gonna be checking on all the Assassins in League of Legends, and ranking them based on how well I think they're designed. (NOTE: THIS IS MY OPINION AND NOT MEANT TO BE TAKEN AS FACT!)
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I loved the Yone discussion. Extremely in-depth, and it explained everything wrong with that abomination!
true
I read your comment before watching the video and actually believe that there were gonna be a 5 min discussion on Yone lmao
@@minhchinhhoang7195 I know, right? I thought it was going to be five minutes, but it was a full ten! I didn't expect that at all.
As a Yone main, i agree
There is nothing wrong with an assassin having shield, two knock up, magic damage, dashes an unstoppable recall(E recast) and also having 100% crit with two items (but hey he got 10% less damage from crit, so at full build he will do maybe 45 less damage per autos, call that the silken road to asia, because this is a good trade.)
Nasus with duskblade and 800 stacks is truly the most scary assasin.
Nah, AP Yi was scary
Think you all are forgetting tank Veigar with 1k AP
The poor support trying to give vision to your team ends up being deleted
What about Sett with just being Sett
@@profczemakan3034 nah setts just currently a bit overtuned. When they lower his w ad scaling a bit he wont be as bursty.
Riot gave Katarina on-hit effects because "it felt bad that we removed Gunblade" its like giving a monkey a rocket launcher because you took away his banana
Giv bek banener to monke
Respect monkey man of course give them a rocket launcher are you that cruel ? Man poor little monkey imagine
This monkey have probably a familly and this banana is what they need to survive
So yeah give them a rocket launcher
As a kat otp, that’s how it felt
I personally love that change as a rammus main, I love just pressing w and watching katarinas melt themselves, the best indirect buff ever
I think giving her on-hit was a really cool idea, but I think they should have leaned into it fully by reducing base damage instead of trying to balance it without touching anything else.
"A toplane Nasus may think Fizz is a non-issue"
Top lane Nasus: 5:38
Vars ripping on Yone’s design will forever be welcome in my home
I could care less, because at this point his channel is a thinly veiled Riot hate thread
@@scarletnoct5807 yes, complimenting many champion designs and critiquing them objectively and constructively is so hateful
@@tovi3280 only 4 champs were labeled as "good" in the video lol, 4 out of 20 champs XD Vars is just whiny he can't learn to play against Yone
@@scarletnoct5807 Mate, more than half of the champions were classified above average, around 1/4 average and 1/4 bad. Your argument "only 4 good" doesn't work here since its actually not about that. The "good" is basically actually rly good design while "fair" translates to good but needs some improvements. AND IF YOU TELL ME YONE IS GOOD CHAMPION DESIGN IMMA LOSE MY MIND cuz its objectively not. They literally just gave him random, not needed benefits on several of his skills (such as a huge shield, movement speed and percent heath dmg, magic dmg and so on)
@@theslavicrat3784 idk if you ask me why does Nasus have life steal, seems pretty random. Literally everything in the game is random. AND FFS JUST LEARN THE COUNTERPLAY just CC him. He said in the video that exact thing about Ekko, and before we bring up Ekko's ult is a long cooldown, no it isn't, lvl 11 amd up it's like 40 seconds, and if you fight more than 40 secodns you're inting
Just one question : Don't you consider Rek'sai as an assassin ? (I know she builds bruiser goredrinker these days, because gold efficiency, but back in the days, she was a great assassin to play.
hardly anyone plays her these days since she's more predictable than kayn and falls off very quickly. Wonderful mechanical and macro assassin though
She kina reminds me of nocturne. But when playing her, I just felt like she is meant to be a bruiser/ diver, rather than an assassin.
@@hqhuy931 i mean all she does is flash in knock up 1 target the full combo them then ult for execution, also you can ult to execute any low targets who are running away as clean up.
sounds like an assassin to me
Rek'sai is a diver, and rek'sai now builds a mix of lethality and bruiser with prowlers and steraks
@@hqhuy931 if you make a bruiser build on her, she can scale decently, with lethality she is completely off the game if not 15 kills ahead at 20 minutes
If Ekko was designed in Season 11. His ult would be a normal spell with 10 seconds cooldown and move him instant into ass tier.
And resets too
That's so true
I believe the designer said it origionally was supposed to be a basic ability, but they made it his ultimate, because it was too broken.
@@herrdoktor1810 that man must got fired after ekko's release for sure
@@sprinngam2536 Hahahahaha.
His designer is August, who is currently head champion designer.
As a Mage main, I'll say that assasins are more like a psychological trat, they can kill you in less than a second yes, but, do they have the ball of doing it?
Yes
It's like in the wild west, who one-shoots first - wins the duel
@@mawzip even if you shoot first the assassin still wins.
Assassins are overrated, when you have a 3 item kennen who one shots your whole team in the river and you can’t kill him cause mages have a core item called “zhonya’s hourglass”
@@yuhan4469 most ad carries and assassins have access to hourglass too in their build, I’d say GA is actually better though because there’s no shot of being CC’d out it and it gives a fat heal. Hourglass can be, and is, completely useless in the majority of fights on the majority of champs, ga is almost never bad.
players: hate evelynn because she "denies" vision control
also players: never places wards, or in case they do, never check the minimap
Problem is that you rely mostly on your sup and jgler vs her
You can only buy one pink as a laner and have 1 other ward every few minutes
So you cant cover enough spots
The normal ward is useless vs her aside putting it in her jgl ( which you can only do in a winning machtup )
So in theory some games your litteral only personal counterplay is one fcking pinkward and begging your sub and jgl are not filled
And that feels not very fair to me
@@trikephalon7024 ypu rely mostly on your team since every1 can buy 1 pink and no support rushes item that allows you to put 2
@@P.H.226 yeah but the main counterplay vs eve is warding her camps
And tahts Job of jgl and sub mainly
@@trikephalon7024 it's the role of anyone that enters enemy jungle. If you've gotten drake and you go and take enemy blue buff or smth, why not place a ward there?
The problem with evelynn is that she 1v1s bruisers and one shots tanks easily.
Everyones know Yuumi is the best assassin uwu
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so based on that heart that is the person who held you fro the yuumi video
is that heart your way of marking them
@@dimitrilepain3821 For the Emperor!
Jungle, top and ADC, yuumi fits those three roles perfectly
lol
I think LeBlanc's more of a Burst mage than an assassin, and the main weakness of a burst mage such as Veigar or Syndra should be mobility. She shares the same problem as Yuumi: lacking the very one weakness that her class should have.
she more like both
She played like a assassin, but she surely don't have the weaknesses assassin should have
But LeBlanc doesn't have the range that Veigar or Syndra has. They zone out certain areas, while LeBlanc tries to pick people overwalls or when they face check bushes. She also is a lot more supportive, as she stuggles to get kills unless she is super fed. Because for one, LeBlancs is strong early game, Syndra and Veigar struggle early game. LeBlanc sucks late game, or when not ahead, while Syndra and Veigar are strong late game and can just farm if they aren't ahead. As they're wave clear and scaling is far more superior, Since LeBlanc is probably one of the worse csers in the game. Meanwhile Syndra can QE an entire wave, and Veigar can take out waves in a matter of econds, not only generating more gold but AP
It's really not the same playstyle at all, more so, LeBlanc is only a burst mage in the sense that all of her dmg is frontloaded, and really fast. But she has nothing to follow up on it or after. And the fact her auto attacks are ranged. Because she really needs to get up close or at least stick onto someone in order to do any meaningful dmg. If she's ever going to not use her W for dmg it's more of a supportive thing to cc someone for someone else to get the kill. But in teamfights, that's completely useless. Because taking 1.5 seconds, to stick on a target in a ring in a teamfight, will surely get you killed. But as Syndra or Veigar, you don't need to put yourself out like that, or need to buy yourself 1.5 seconds of time showing everyone "Hey I'm over here". You simply need to cast the ability on them and they are stunned.
This is also extremely important when you are considering someone who is extremely fed. Say someone like, a fed Drave with shieldbow. taking 1.5 seconds while being so close to Dravens face is not ideal, he can easily kil you before then.
Best of both worlds.
@@TheRuancarlo No she is not. She is basically a skirmishing mobile version of Syndra. Both burst you down the moment you are at a certain thresh hold of hp and till then they try to poke you down with their autos and Q and threatens with their combos and stun/root potential. Both have one of the best gank setups in midlane. And ofc the mobile single target cc champion thrives in skirmishes while the immobile aoe dmg and cc champion thrives in teamfights. There are also quite a few pro players who can only play mages and LeBlanc and sucks at assassins/fighters and vice versa to prove the point even further. You can also see LeBlanc playing poke oriented in a pro setting a lot she jus pokes in her own unique way. She is hybrid of burst mage and assassin but in the lane she plays more like a mage. Also Syndra absolutely does not struggle in the early game. She has one of the most dominant laning phases. Just because she can't vommit on her keyboard and one shot someone from 100% hp like some assassins doesn't mean she is weak early game as if you lane with Syndra properly you don't need that to be dominant because she has long range low cd decent dmg, hard cc for great set up and diisengage.
I like how over the years there were so many bs abilities added to the game that Fizz's E isn't as tilting as it used to be
Based on Ekko 'well you can stun lock him forever then he can't even use ult' well everyone is pretty much counterplayable lol
it not quite that :
he have a tool that give him a possible escape card , that to fully optimise he shall use at the very end to bait as much shit as possible , but doing so he put himself in great risk and the confienfe it give is a fatal point of error .
also he is predictable enougth that a prepared team can tank him......i mean if he not fed in that as bye bye backline
while true there's definitely a difference in ccing a backline enemy and ccing an enemy that's forced to go balls deep into the enemy of your team its very easy to turn on ekko if he miss times his approach and gets ccd
Now what u meant to really address is Yi. That’s what everyone says, ‘just CC him.’ Aka: no counterplay
Stun is not a counterplay. Everybody dies off of a crowd control. He needs something that makes him.vulnerable besides the obvious. However, I disagree his ult is broken. Yes it does dmg, but u have to be really braindead to receive ekkos ult dmg because it is always far. It is mostly something thst does him good because thst is what he is. Mess up? Rewind and fix it
Zhonyas and spam r
Seeing talon get love and respect warms my heart. I still miss “accidental” triple kill old talon before rework.
same, before even his rework i noticed his ult dmg is being lowered. his ult damage b4 was stronger(with his silence on his E XD) unlike in this rework, still i love playing him and one of my main.
@@jet047 old talon was so much fun. But new one Def has more skill expression and potential to carry.
Personally I feel like katarina’s design is so bad because the “counterplay” is so hard to use as it is mainly just point and click cc and mower days there are few champs with point and click cc.
Also, while some champs are extra vulnerable to CC, cc quite literally counters all champs since it stops them from doing what they wanna be doing. If a champs only counter is hard cc, its most likely not gonna feel fun to play against said champ
?, the counterplay is stomp her in lane, and go tp so u can follow her roams. and her daggers are extremely obvious when she Q's a minon it bounces to others and goes behind thne one you hit the dagger on, if u cant stomp her with that says more about you then her.
Plus you can literally counter any champ with point and click cc so thats not a counter imo
@@xoafallen6239it’s hard to stomp her in lane, she has ranged csing and is an excellent roamer, if she is in a bad lane she will just go bot and pick up some kills there then stomp you in lane. If you want to stomp her in lane you need to control your ape team mates which isn’t possible
Personally i think they should do like they did Samira e and deny her the ability to blink to allies. She oneshots you under tower then blinks to a minion and only tank 1 shot, 2 if she's bad
best part about the yone discussion is that we're going to hear it at least one more time on skirmisher discussion with him being one of the few that sit in multiple category's by design.
Khazid most def. He's the only one that really goes into the "assassination" sort of fantasy because of his isolation mechanic.
And talon tbh. He looks and feels like an assassin. Jumps over walls, can go invisible, has high burst DMG and very little in the way of cc (1 sec slow). He's great at eliminating just one squishy and gtfo. Also tons of skill expression.
The thing about Yone is that he has no drawbacks given the number of tools he has. He doesn't make any compromises in any area, yet has more mechanics than he needs to do the job.
And LeBlanc, she would be much more bearable if her chains didn't have a fricking 865 tether radius. You can legit WW as Zed and still be in range to get rooted, such a stupid ability.
You can flash away and still be in range too XD
If they ever rework kassadin they should rly delete some off his abilities and replace them with abilities that could make him more like a bruiser rather than assasin i always felt he was more off an anti mage fighter rather than assasin
make him a dediated scaling diver optimise to counter mage . he need one ability to be a diver (his ult) , one to sourvive in said dive (ap become bonus normal shield on his q whatver said q is ) , and u know what give hime a E that after some spell have been lucnh , he an go invul fo half a second without mooving or casting.
keep his passive tho , i hate ally creep block
he doesn't need a gameplay rework he needs a visual update
That's what he was by original design
Isnt that the entire idea behind sylas
@@kenker_ape eh sylas is more "not give a fuck abt anything champ"
I would PERSONALLY like to add a comment to the assassin video so that more people may be aware that this is a good video. One of my favorites in fact!
Love the idea of doing all classes like this. Also some people might disagree but I like it when tier list are also put into order of worst to best even in specific tiers. Mostly so I can see who is in your opinion the absolute best and worst. Also I think it would be a good idea to cover a few Champs twice like LeBlanc in mages and assasins.
Through the lens of ADC mains, every assassin is in the "ass" tier period.
Tru
So are we taking into account every ad assassin abusing goredrinker in this list or not?
yes
Idk assassins were always abusing items that were not for their role like last season most assasins went two lethality and than steraks or other bruiser items
to begin with Riot when making those items dont realize that their intentions are not on point, take deaths dance when reworked when riot said to " help toplaners" its also the time mr 200 years was getting on the balanced ground till the item rework and it was abused
He based them on design not a broken item. They can easily be toned down if the item sees changes.
It's cause they nerfed prowler's hard I think
Your channel's icon and banner look really cool with this autumn theme, I really like this color scheme :D
as a kayn main, i felt like the only buff he needed was to increase his orb gain
once they did that, he was fine, but they kept on buffing him and then they changed the items and now he's broken
how to balance him? revert the orb buff or revert everything else
kayn gets form WAYYY too quickly, even for my liking, and especially with SA, its way too easy to snowball
i loved it when you actually felt good for finishing form at a decent time (which was like 12-15 mins) because that's when you could do stuff and catch back up.
now you just get form at 8 mins and roll everyone down
Also a Kayn main here. Honestly before mythic items he was the most balanced champion in the game statistically. And I love that. Then mythics came out and he was fucked for the sins of goredrinker, then they nerfed goredrinker and then I stopped playing him as much.
You're probably right.
After all, it didn't make sense that unless you're ultra fed, getting Shadow Assassin meant having not that much time to take advantage of your power spike that falls off super quick.
Now with the new items, until the enemy carries get GA and full build, Shadow Assassin is very good at most stages of the match.
That being said, I think Rhaast is a bit underrated, especially if your team already has a champion that fills the assassin niche of reaching the carries to pick them off, especially against 2 tanks.
Oh how the tables have turned. Now Shadow Assassin is the preferred one.
Tbh, i dont think reverting orb buff is an option anymore. Game times are shorter than they used to be and snowball far harder. If a good form time was 12mins again then Kayn would be fucked
Plus kayn is viable before form, the fucker can kill me in my own jng while killing my chickens if i dont play any meta jng like kindred, rek'sai etc
@@Dysonsfear771 cap. Only time kayn kills u on raps is if u have shitty wave clear or playing a weak early game jg. Tho he could prolly kill u on buff or krug but the vice versa for just about ny1 is tru
Can't wait to see my favorite bug boi Kazzy-chan get rated, F or S tier doesn't matter, I wanna hear a discussion on how his build and evolve diversity affects his strength and counterplay as a champion
"counterplay" you forgot the sarcastic quotations
@@komgoo4974 Well beyond the fact that he is clearly overtuned right now, at least there's the idea that you can stay close together and Kha'zix won't get his isolation damage. But high elo Kha'zix players have been taking advantages of this defensive maneuver by building Goredrinker... I wonder what Vars thinks about that, whether the item or the champion needs to be fixed. Probably both but who knows
Khazix has as basic of a design as talon. Just as one-dimensional with really linear abilities, and he either abuses his stupid stats to exploit the worst of solo ranked or does nothing because the enemy team knows how to play against an assassin. He also has such a perfect kit that he entirely nullified other assassins with better defined weaknesses and strenghts like rengar. Every weakness khazix has apoly for most other assassins, he's only "well design" when you compare him with stupid stuff like Kata.
also that shit about "build diversity" applies for literally 90% of assassins, almost all of them can go for either a burst build or a duely build, thats not something unique for khazix at all
I love playing against Kha. Invade him and sit in his raptors and he's screwed :p
You don't know pain until you are a fed voli helplessly chasing the katarina to stun her but she keeps swapping locations and killing your whole team
I have Yone level 7 mastery just too proof how stupid that champion is, yet riot prefers to keep him as disgusting as possible.
i love playing yone cuz hes super fun and broken as hell but to keep it fair i only play him in unranked. Dont wanna ruin other peoples ranked games by abusing unfair champs ^^
By Design I'd say either Zed or Kha'zix. Zed is Peak Assassin, he got ways to get in, screw any particular individual over, and get out. Sometimes he's not even there and is still killing.
And Kha'zix just evokes fear on the poor unfortunate souls that locked adc in that particular game, with long range jump, a wide and big slow, up to 3 stealths and movespeed boost, he's probably getting rid of at least the priority target.
Akali is peak assassin
@@med3694 I'd say she's more of a Slayer/Ninja (Keeping in and out of a fight) rather than a assassin.
@@emanuelmmb You literally just described what an assassin is
Screw any particular individual over.
Is a fancy way of sayint "Fuck this guy in specifical"
I agree, but I still agree with Vars that Zed is a bit too safe. Its incredible bs that a melee asassin can just farm from range with a ranged ability on a short cd with no mana cost. Also, sometimes his numbers seem a bit off in that he just ults, AAs, E's, ignites and somehow thats enough. But that only happens sometimes. Other than that, I prefer him over Yone who can Assassinate people, put out enough mixed sustained dmg to burst you (???), has multiple AOE CCs (Assassin btw) all while being 0/10 because getting 40% crit (1600g goldvalue) from 2 items for free is not unfair at all. Also doesnt need ult for 90% of his solo kills and can disengage any fight because e cleanses cc.
If someone wanted Yone discussion let me do this for our boi Vars
Yone is extremely overloaded Skirmisher/Assassin his snowball potential is unreal (Almost like Aatrox dat why when Aatrox is bad everyone says he is OP or he is good cuz his snowball is unreal )
He is Good early game,OP mid game and Unbeatable Late (unless you have Leona or some good cc caster like Morgana and you need to be extremely patient cuz his E is basically cleanse)
What makes him so broken and not fun to play against:
1) His presence makes you feel disgusting cuz you know you gonna play some mind games with this dude
2)Yone have extreme mobility towards enemy champion (thank god he cant dash like Yasuo) his E gives him MS and pushes his real body a little bit,his R is big dash dmg skill and his Q is dash
3)His passive gives him 2x crit from items and AD/AP dmg from every second AA (Note:AP dmg > AD dmg) which means his reduced dmg doesn't work at all and you cant build def items against him properly
4)His E is overloaded cuz this skill gives you MS,True dmg,Mini dash and enemy cant fight back cuz more dmg he deals,more dead you are (this is basically Zed ult on steroids)
5)His W gives you Shield and %hp AP/AD dmg, CD and cast speed scales with AS
6)His R Gives him Dash,Knock-up,Grounding,Airborne,Pull,СС immune and AD/AP dmg
But despite having all of this if Riot gonna remove shield from cringebow he is gonna be literally balanced but he is never gonna be fun to play against
How to make him fun (for Riot games):
Remove Grounding from R and reduce ult radius
Remove MS from E and give his E time scale with AS
Bring back Yone's old crits before 2 items spike buff
And every Yone main who defend this champ in comments and gonna say dat im trash (Im Grandmaster dont try to defend your degenerate champ)
(Sry for bad eng cuz im from all hail Soviet Russia !!!)
underrated comment
I am a Yone main. All I have to say is that every sane yone main knows he is overpowered.
I think one big thing could do is buff the E, then make it the ult. Then E will be a dash that looks and works similar to the current ult except it only stuns briefly, does less damage and is smaller.
then either remove his max hp damage and true damage or dont let his abilities scale off of attack speed.
Loved this, please more role ranking!! Every marksman ranked next would be neat
I think i have said this before (or just think i have) but the background music you use is chef kiss. Its become a tradition for me to see if i recognize it everytime
In your Leblanc section you said ”if you play a short range champion, without cc or dashes you cant touch leblanc”. That literally applies only to Olaf, Mundo, Nasus and maybe Illaoi? Which are usually tanky thus a natural counter to assassins. The real problem is just playing squishy champs that have slow reacting kits like most ADCs and lots of mages
As a Leb main, I agree that she's annoying. A decent Leb will kill you while a great one just pokes around and withers your entire team down.
Loved the video. Can't wait to see how you rank Tanks and Bruisers (i'm a top main as well)... i'm really interested into how you place them.
attack speed On Hit AP Lulu
you don't ever expect that damage coming.
I completely disagree to you saying that Ekko has to sacrifice damage to use his ult for safe plays, when with E into melee Q and a basic attack (including electrocute) obliberates anything.
@@shrungdn7379 In terms if actual design yes they are lol. Also Kayn hasnt had a bad early game in a long time. You say Khazix can invade him and make him go 0-10 but he can do that to almost everyone lol its Khazix. I dont understand peoples argument for Kayn when almost all of high elo (minus the Kayn players) also agree he is elo inflating af.
What? No they dont have a weak early, i ve 1v1 d and destroyed god damn lvl 4 lee sins and kha's as a lvl 4 kayn, LEE SIN AND KHA , which are considered some of the best early game dueslists in the entire game? Does that sound weak? Oh no he can get invaded by them and catch him off guard so he loses pre transformation than get blue and have insane clear speed while ganking everywhere cause of his dumb mobility and burst, what is weak in that?
And you dont beat katarin in lane, you beat her in champ select, if you have a cc heavy comp than she is useless unless she gets hyper fed in the early game(which can happen) but if you dont than you might as well ff or get hyper fed and end the game before she can do something.
With other words your idea of good counterplay against both kayn and kat is either to have teams that counter them or be WAY better than them and get hyperfed and win before they can do a comeback.Amazing, truly amazing.
@@shrungdn7379 My man, fighting a champ next to a scuttle doesn't make Kha lost his isolation passive
I do like how you mention a lot of the characters in here being hybrids of other classes like skirmishers and divers instead of purely just assassins.
Man, this is so enjoyable, especially eating in front of your vids!
The problem with idea of Ekko's ult having a tradeoff is that such a short cooldown WITHOUT ability haste nullifies that very notion almost completely. He's basically got a GUARANTEED revive on a two minute cd, that goes to a minute and a half, and fifty seconds at levels 11 and 16 respectively, again, without ability haste. There's no way to stop him from doing it, so it's better than a Zilean revive. It does a lot of damage around the landing point, so it's a pretty powerful ability. The thing that makes it broken isn't the life save, or the damage, but the fact that he has it available to him so frequently, on top of having no way to really stop him from doing it, giving such a small and unexploitable window for punishment if he uses it, be it successfully or not.
Also, leave my Nocy boy out of this, he ain't even an assassin anymore, he's more of a Fiora or Tryndamere. He's like a diver/skirmisher, and I really hope they don't make him more of an assassin because duelist Nocturne is too much fun.
They should really just make Ekkos ultimate have a far less cd, and massively reduce/remove the healing from it.
Bro just cc ekko and then burst him. A lot of assasins can run away at 1 hp anyway... CC them and THEN burst 'em down
I'll never understand the mentality of "hard cc and dying" being perfectly acceptable as a champions only counter play. Do people who think this way just not realize that team comps with little to no hard cc or burst damage exist? Or how about the fact that these "assassin" champions aren't all that squishy in general anymore, especially Ekko who has NEVER been a squishy champion? I swear it's people who comment things like this that make riot feel comfortable enough to say "we don't think our new champions have overloaded kits", or "We feel our champions have been balanced overall, except Dr Mundo". We really just need to stop giving riot reasons to believe that they've been doing well at their job.
@@pajama5364 would miss the entire point of his ult, ekko should have ult cooldown increased
also a big problem i have with the vid is him saying ekko's abilities are hard to hit, he has 2 skillshots, one of which is too slow to be used at range so you just use it as melee burst after dashing and blinking 500 miles with his e, and another is just a fuck you zone that you can't fight ekko in
I know fizz in fair list in general…
But in my heart:
*ASS TIER* he gives me nightmares, he haunts my dreams… he mocks me in my sleep
Preach 🙌🏻
I love how all these champs that can oneshot you with point and click got told as having counter play but champs that got huge ass areas of telling you if you don't go there you don't take dmg or the guy that is half a champ and behind in levels got ass tier.
I think the most popular video of this series will be the Specialist class. I’m excited for it as a Singed one trick. The reason it’ll be more popular is because people love to see unconventional champs whether it is Teemo or Quinn. People love this stuff even though they’re meta players (in terms of watching it) because there is a variety of playstyles, it’s just different, oddly enough no specialist is alike.
wow , i love this new series , please do more for other roles
Pretty entertaining video, thank you a lot for it!
I too love when katarina goes 1/9 in lane, gets a single good teamfight and ends with 29/9
Cant forget Akali either, it wouldnt be the same if someone be untargetable while bursting me down like im some dog getting put down
This reminds me of my favorite game mode, hunt of the blood moon. It felt good as a support main one shot people. Also I remember in that gamemode other champions were also considered "assasin"
I remember ahri was there, yeah this mode was amazing. I wish it came back
pls, do more rankings, they're so fun to watch lol
I would definitely watch more ranking videos of champions within a certain class/subclass. I'm especially interested in a Juggernaut ranking.
Eve is one of my favoueite assassins because she feels so different. She has next to no stick outside her empowered E and her only mobility is a finisher that attacks in one direction then sends her the opposite way. Great for ending a fight but not for engaging or chasing. Ya she has charm but if you don't burst the enemy before it ends you can't really get much out of it again because of the long cooldown.
All that's to say that she relies a lot more on position and especially flanking compared to other more mobile assassins and I find that to be a lot of fun.
i do agree stealth its to strong here i loved how dota has implemented their vision vs invis as you got multiple tools to actually counter invis while not beeing unfair to champs that use invis. there its dust costs about 400gold and reveals any invisible unit in a large area but lasts only few seconds has 2 charges, there are sight wards and they have no vision by themselfs but if you stand near it it reveals invis units in about 400-500 range and lastly gem of true sight an item that costs 800 gold and does nothing but give true sight to wearer and its droped upon death. i just belive its better desinhn like this as you dont have a way to complecty negate invis yet not be ultra vulnerable
Super cool that you change your pic with the seasons Vars
Love the tierlist by design rather than current powerlvl ! Btw i legit spat on my screen when yone appeared xD
*THANK YOU* i've been thinking Kassadin, Shaco and Nocturne desperately need a rework due to their incredible outdated champ design. it just feels very odd how their abilities have so little synergy.
great quality content. keep up the good work. wish you well.
all assasins are f tier for me, game should be just 5 tanks slapping eachother for like 5 dmg while having 3000 hp
And then a darius comes..
Your name and profile picture for perfectly lol
abso fucking lutely yes, remove vayne, fiora and gwen from the game immediately
@@lucasnadamas9317 lol fucking bronzie. i agree on fiora which is just a tumor. But vayne and gwen are in jo sense op. Vayne is not even strong. Literally bottom tier adc. Takes 10 autos autos to kill a tank in a meta where teamsfight last seconds? Being a lategame champ in a meta where the game is decided in the first 15 minutes? nah all adcs are utter garbage except the usual casters like ezrael and lucian. Maybe aphelios cause his kit is overloaded. This vayne hate only comes from low elo i swear.
This music will be permanently stuck in my head. So thanks for that. Great vid.
Perfect video. You should bring more on the topic.
Its either my friends meta builds
Ap rammus jng assasin or 6 infinity edge rammus top(before item rework)
Ap rammus is the best wym
As a former Shaco main, I 100% agree. Would love to see him reworked, that might make me come back to the Rift.
My good boi Fizz. Truly the embodiment of "Perhaps I treated you too harshly" after the fiascos that have happened to the assassin class since his time.
I keep recognizing some banger tracks in these videos; Could we get something in the description or even the video itself saying what music is used?
Making my second comment, now after watching the video.
Ekko: I'd rate him somewhere in between fair and passable. His base kit is fine but there are a few elements about his kit I believe to be overkill. I will start by the most simple one, his W' passive. It is a recurring theme with Riot's recent designs to make champions too well rounded. If there's an ability that may not be practical in some scenarios, it is given some compensation to make sure it is never a dead ability. Another example of this being Viego's E, where the only reason it gives attack speed is so that it is not a dead ability during jungle clears. I disagree with that phylosophy overall and I think that the "this time this is not an option" is part of the game and having an answer to everything isn't a good thing. If I'm Ekko's opponent and I don't get hit by his W, I am not ahead of him by a full ability because it still has that hidden execute damage on its passive. My second rant with Ekko is his passive movement speed. Ekko is already plenty mobile without it, and not only that movement speed is overkill, it is also some of the strongest and most long lasting movement speed steroids in the game. The biggest counterplay to mobile champions is to punish their cooldowns, but even when Ekko don't have his abilities, he is still zooming. Last but not least, the initial jump from his E. Removing it isn't even a plain nerf. It removes the short delay he needs to acess the damage and perhaps can even be an auto attack reset. The initial dash just too versatile for being just a fraction of his mobility.
Kha'zix: Not much to add here. I don't think he is great, but he is overall solid.
Rengar: His W drags him down a notch. Every part of Rengar's kit gets the job done and he is really weak without ult or bushes around, I just believe his W to be too good of an ability that one: makes bruiser Rengar better than assassin Rengar and two: even when you are playing assassin Rengar, it makes it really difficult to exploit his squishyness.
Talon: I talked about him before. Love the parkour. Very cool and rewarding ability. But otherwise? He is just too generic. Fair is where I'd put him.
Diana: Fair to good as a mid laner, passable to ass as a jungler. As a jungler she is just a boring power farmer.
Evelynn: Ass, but not hopeless. Boring power farming champion. Remove the health regen from her passive, give her stealth from level 1. Instantly she becomes fair and potentially good with some more tweaks. Wasted potention when you need to wait all the way to level 6 to use the biggest attractive of the champion.
Fizz: Passable. His E is such a good ability the rest of his kit must be weaker to compensate. His E is broken and the rest of his kit is boring. He is not ass but his power budget is too messy.
Nocturne: Read Diana. Same applies.
Zed: After your conclusion, I agree. Zed is a little too safe. I don't think that alone justify deranking him from good, but its still a valid point.
Akali: I still believe there's too much stuff crammed into her kit. Because her passive has a mini-game attached to it, she's given movement speed to help her get around it. I'd say remove the mini-game entirely. Let her have her passive auto right away, just so she don't have permanent 500 movement speed. That might be enough to give her the jump from ass to fair.
Kassadin: That's the most ass out of the ass. His win condition is to bore the opponent by making the game as little interactive as possible, then becoming an unbeatable abomination.
Pyke: Solid concept, but messy execution. Lethality scalings, spells don't work on minions, can't build HP, all for the sake of Riot enforcing their fantazy to the player. Wasted potential, passable is where he goes.
Qiyana: I make your words mine. Qiyana is an assassin that excels on the one thing her class is supposed to be at its worst. Not ass, but no more than passable.
Shaco: Nothing has changed between what I said before and now. The assassin part is Shaco's most boring one. He stealths in and point n'click people to death. What's interesting about him that made me fall in love with the champion is his top tier early game (which unfortunately no longer exists) and how much potential his clon and boxes have. I really dislike the route Riot has taken with Shaco recently, not only making his boxes AoE, but also giving bonus damage against monsters. Suddenly the pressure to win the game early no longer exists as he can fall back to power farming if he feels like it. That may sound like a good thing, but it gives me no hope that Riot will give Shaco the strong early game he once had. Shaco scaling just feels wrong.
Katarina: I am no Katarina fan but I don't think she is ass. One thing I dislike about her and some other champions such as Riven is that most of her kit is instant, meaning if that if two players have the same reaction time and one is Katarina, its the Katarina who gets the first move, so all those close calls its down to a champion diff. I also really don't like how easy it is for her to get Shunpo resets, but that's all. She is very passable.
Kayn: I agree on the ass rate, but for a different reason: boring power farm champion. For a champion that has to start the game as a minion, I don't mind him getting stronger than the average champion by the time he transforms, but if the guy has conqueror, he isn't quite the minion he is supposed to be early game. But that's a conqueror problem, not Kayn's. There's so much sustain in the jungle you get more HP back while clearing than you take damage from camps. As such, poke and short trades aren't a thing in the jungle, furthermore, nobody gets low enough while clearing to die before stacking conqueror. At level 3 the rune is a vamp scepter worth of stats so its too convenient for those scaling junglers to just take conqueror and whenever they get invaded, it is like they start the game with 3 kills. But that's more of a conqueror problem than Kayn's specifically. Riot has made the jungle far too difficult for those scaling fellas to be punished.
LeBlanc: We disagree so much on this champion I don't think we can go anywhere, the reasons I think she is good were on my first comment and they haven't changed now.
Yone: He is an assassin, he is an skirmisher and has not one, but two AoE hard CC, a thing most champions from both of these classes have none. I guess its easy to tell where this fella go.
I have few things to say to your reasoning.
First of all, lemme ask why is it bad for Rengar to not be completely squishy? He has no escape, no invis either and in lategame he might get oneshoted anyway and in early it gives him edge as early game champ with no escape, without unbearable amount of damage. Also for burst he gotta sacrifice it at times. I understand it might not be ideal for an assassin to have innate tankiness but I dont see it to be some sort of problem either, given the circumstances.
Idk what makes Evenlynn problematic for you but it seems to be entirelly different from the rest. They dont want her to have invis and you give her invis from level 1. Also she has HP regen because she is fairly weak in earlygame, specifically for all ins and when it comes to jg sustain. With your changes she would be hated even more. For me Eve is completely acceptable by design because she is just opportunist in the end. Not much she can actually force even with great amount of skill.
When it comes to Kayn, you both seem to just complain about the balance. Its balance and not design. You can just change numbers and the design gonna remain.
About LB... I think Vars nailed this one. Being completely uninteractive is the sh;ttiest thing that can happen in design. If there was ASS^2 tier, she would go there for me.
I think that Akali's passive is what makes that champ such cool design. I also dont think that removing it gonna change anything. If you want to change something, delete her W ms boost.
I agree with the rest you said ( except nocturne, nothing specific, just bunch of minor details ).
I'm surprised that you didn't include Ahri, I know she's tachnicaly a mage but her ultimate thinks otherwise
she is a half mage half assasin
I mostly agree with what you said and even if I personally disagree with some things, it's still really good view on everything and pretty real. Nice, vid and really relaxing voice to listen to.
Cant wait for the next class ranking!!!
I’m a kayn main and I honestly believe shadow assassin is fine in the context of what his design was (key word was). Weak early game aside from a good clear and good damage (if it actually lands when it’s really easy to dodge) then reaping the benefits later by fighting for your form. The problem though is that the “downside” of having to actually wait and really fight for your form is kinda gone with the orb buffs. If it just took a few minutes longer to actually get blue form I think he’d be significantly better balanced. Also with the way items are for assassins this season i think a lot of their issues are pretty exaggerated including goredrinker on kayn which isn’t his only build but it’s still very strong atm.
Largely agree with this, Idk the solution but I think items is 100% what’s breaking kayn or making forms unplayable. Not too long ago Rhaast was near unplayable due to all his items being nerfed. Blue I feel is kinda in the same situation where- sure, you can go prowlers, but it’s pretty dogshit right now and it feels terrible to use.
I’d be fine with orb nerf but the issue is that games are getting shorter and if I had to wait 12-15 mins, and that’d be the GOOD form time, with these items? Kayn would be pretty unplayable imo
Before when games lasted marginally longer, yes. Orb buff was well deserved. But now you really can't revert that specific buff.
Right now assassins have to snowball even more to be effective while before you just could go even and still manage to do your job.
Now we have a lot of healing, shielding and hp on a lot of champions (incl assassins).
I think they should modify some items (like gotedrinker) to be inefficent on assassins. And they should buff mithic passive accross the board so that one doesnt buy it for stats as much as it buys it for the passive (X stats for each leggendary)
Also adcs using assassin items aint that great either.
When he finishes ranking every role he should go through all of the "good" tier champs and rank them
Just one little correction. Nocturne became broken not when stridebreaker had a dash, but right after they removed the dash and buffed its slow to a huge extent.
For correction, nocturne wasnt op because of the dash on stridebreaker but the opposite. He was op after the dash was taken away, and changed for an AoE slow, which was huge for him, since getting on someone and using stridebreaker meant that his thether was practically unbreakable without a flash or some sort of dash, maybe it wasnt even with flash.
Without taking numbers into account, Zed's design seems close to being the most fair. He accumulates the damage and presents opportunities for counter play along the way e.g. Zhonya's, Barrier or other.
On the other end of the spectrum I'd say champions like Rengar is the most unhealthy, because his way of assassinating is literal one-shotting someone. Apparently becoming the ultimate hunter means going invisible and running straight at your enemy. A shame since the rest of his kit is thematic and cool, but holy hells what a goofy ult. His ult could've been centered more around brushes, really cementing his dominance in the jungles of the map. Really make you feel like you're in his territory now, and have him be reasonably weaker without them. Alas, angery kitty run at you fast with Q+crit for the nuke.
I kinda disagree about Kayn, his blue form is surely really strong but the idea that his has to take risks and play agressive when he is at his weakest is quite interesting. Unlike other scaling champions, he offers you chance to interact with him when he sucks the most.
Also disagree for Pyke, he is way too hard to kill compared to how easily he can kill other people in early - mid. I dont mind carry supports as they usually are vulnerable as a compensation for their huge damage, but Pyke can just get out of most situations if he wants to
With kayn I love going spooky kayn build. Full movement speed, predator, runes for mov speed, including the one in River. Mov speed shoes, yomuus, and so on. Showing up top la e and from nowhere you are one shooting the enemy adc in botlane, that put a tear of joy in my eye.
Hi Vars, I've been following your videos a lot lately & I found all of them very entertaining, I was just wondering will you still make 'Why Noone Plays' videos? And if you do, will you consider making one for Jayce? I almost never find him on the enemy team & I can't even find any decent streamer who plays him at all, I'm not demanding anything, just maybe giving some ideas for future videos
I agree with most of these besides ekko. Ellis Es is pony in click he can’t miss it then he can q and do more than enough damage to kill ppl. He doesn’t need his ult to kill ppl . He can but it’s over kill . You said for kat if u don’t have fast acting or point and click cc you can’t deal with her. Ekkos E is the same blink that does crazy damage .
Phase Dive (his E) does a whopping 150 + 40% AP damage at max rank + 1 auto.
That is roughly the damage of Soraka's Q.
If you add Lich Bane to this, the ability goes to 300+ 80% AP at lvl 18 (additional flat damage come from the sheen proc scaling on AD), which is roughly Morgana's Q
thers no missing a blink auto attck . morg can miss or you can flash it . morg hurts a truck load when she full ap and you have to dodge her one ability . this is a point and click blink move . you also have to remeber he gets a dash to start. so in one ability he gets a dash, blink , and unavoidable damage . imagin if camels hook shot was a blink after she jumped off a wall . we would consider that broken wouldnt we?
@@thomasb5307 but then you're not taking into consideration that his E practically guarantees him to hit at least the first damage of his Q, top it all off with an auto that he is already in range to do and you have a one shot combo off his passive, and if you do happen to force him to ult, he's just gonna use his stupid move speed from his passive to catch up to you
@@ant1157 I was and am not saying that Ekko's E is a bad ability as a whole, but you said that his E does "crazy damage".
My only point was that no, Ekko's E doesn't deal much damage by itself.
@@mustachecake8071 Just fyi (if u ever intend to try Ekko one day), Ekko players dont cast Q at point blank after landing E.
You are supposed to cancel the Q casting animation with your E cast (so Q is still a ranged skillshot)
Also, his Q first hit has very low damage (again lol) that is 130 + 30% AP ratio so you want very much to hit the passive and the Q's return or else I swear you are not one shotting anyone
Vars: Rengar fulfills the definition of assassin being his motto hit and run one enemy at a time.
AP Rengar: well... That's an option...
I love the music. Good choice!
wasn't nocturne strong after they removed the dash on stridebreaker and gave it extra stats because he had ult so didnt need the dash as much as someone like darius or am i wrong?
I used to think Akali was broken, but after seeing one systematically pick off the entire enemy team by isolating each target, using zhonya and her shroud at perfect times and so on while the rest of our team was dead, I came to respect good Akali players because it really does feel like a character limited entirely by their skill and proficiency with the character
A rare comment that makes sense
Yeah it's kind of surprising like, picking her up myself I don't know how anyone manages to play around her high energy costs. She's a pain in the ass to deal with when she's even remotely ahead, but at the same time I got to respect akali players...
@@Ratty524 I know theres obviously others who'd disagree with you but I'm shocked we've moved into an age of league where akali isn't as hated as she used to be, guess I have akshan, viego, and yone to thank for a majority of that
@@ihateallluxplayers3590 Well she also takes turret shots in shroud now.
@@Black-nf3tx that was only for like a week XD
The strongest assassin was easily the old Rengar. True invisibility and 3k burst damage requiring 0 skillshots
Loved the "!" Over the Champions Heads😂
Ok but like, that Nami ult at 1:17 saved that whole team fight for them
I can clearly hear in your tone how much fun making this video was for you and Im here for it🤍
I do think that rengar should not be in the "good design" category, and i'm not biased because I think he's fine aside from his passive
Fair may be ok, but this passive jump is far from being fair, no matter how you look at it because if in any case there is a bush, you're in range, and there is bush everywhere
Giving him a cooldown on this jump is for me something riot should do, but that's just me.
on the contrary, rengar is very reliant on being near bushes so it being that powerful near a bush imo seems justified, considering he has to fully commit, and has no escapes
also his jump range should be lower than that of ward placing -_-
@@thepotatochip6040 i understand that it's his gimmick, but for me there's a difference between being powerful and nullifying distance, which is actually the case
(and well, why worrying on commitment when you can just kill the enemy in about 0.000001 millisecond xD)
@@emilienpayet8439 As a rengar main im little biased but let me clarify it to you if it is rengar top id agree but jg? Rengar nowadays is just too much of a balanced champion he needs to be played PERFECTLY to even try to carry the game. So passive jump on aa is just worse Kha e or Zed w cuz they can jump from wherever they are and in bigger radius (i think) if they put a cooldown on his jump litterly 0 people will pick him up. Last but not least Kha is just better Rengar that can do things Rengar do but better. And idk if you tried to play Rengar but if no just play him and let me know if it feels so easy (sounded so provocative but didnt meant to be)
katarina, blue kayn, and leblanc in ass tier? TAKE MY LIKE GOOD SIR YOUR STORY WILL BE TOLD TO MY GRANDCHILDREN FOR GENERATIONS TO COME
The best strat on kayn is to int to get form as early as possible btw, great design!
I love Fizz, Ekko, Rengar and Akali, so im more than happy with your ratings
Fizz deserves good design because thanks to him we have trick2g's "can we buff udyr" meltdown
I don't understand why you always say "everyone hates evelynn because of her stealth", but honestly the only thing that makes me despise the champion is her R, one of the best escapes in the game, and one of the biggest nukes, on a pretty low cd.
I hate her e more.
That ability does enough damage to 3/4 life every champion in the game
I totally agreed with that
yessss we need more of these
ok now i really wanna see a whole class discussion on all classes of champions vars senpai
The best is rakan, his ap scaling are extra high cuz he isnt supposed to build ap
Why you have to share that?
But not assassin after all
@@mosaddaghmoawia7517 hits like a truck tho
@@mosaddaghmoawia7517 his knock up and dash is also slippery
You can say the same about Zac, malphite, amumu and many divers can become an assassins with duskblade into crit
talon. don’t care he’s my favorite.
I am a zed main, and i was expecting you too put him in good design tier. But after making your point, you were actualy so on point. Great tier list!😂😂😂
seeing my main talon on good on vars ranking make my day
I disagree with Zed. He's just passable. Pre 6 he's fine. But post 6 he's becomes a point and click dmg bot that does dmg without even landing his q which btw is east to land bc no cast time. I still say he's passable bc he's not exactly hard to shut off. U always know where he's gonna come on his ult so yeah. Not ass. Not good. Just passable
Kayn is well designed champion. He's that edgy anime introvert boi who hates everYone and just comes in and out to hunt another target. But man, the last time I saw anybody play Kayn this way instead of "sit behind a wall and wait for W and Q to come up and then oneshot because I'm building full DMG" is when his passive got nerfed and somebody was actually doing the in&out build not for full DMG but mobility
His kit is talon's but better, he is unique when he is transformed into rhaast, but when he is the shadow assassin he is purely a better Talon
The discussion on Shaco makes me wish early Riot had done something similar to Heroes of the Storm and made out and out definitive 'specialist' champions a permanent thing. I guess there are a few who kind of fit the role- one could argue Heimer and Yuumi are unique enough in how they work- but imagine if, for instance, Ornn could forge terrain or had a more in depth item upgrade system, or Swain had truly been a 'mastermind' type character who influences the map in small ways from extreme range.
btw i know this is a bit off topic but camille used to be an assassin not so many seasons ago because she didnt have as much health and she used to go trinity force and her playstyle was way different than now because she was really squishy for the first few items that she built and yet deal alot of damage so she was more like an assassin than a bruiser (which is like what we have now) she still is a one shot machine with trinity and she is still a dueling mosnter late game too as she is and was and yeah idk if that matters its just how a champ is played sometimes and their build over the years and how they change a bit idk
Love to see Ekko getting the praise he deserves 😌
Obviously S tier is gonna be the best assassin in the game, Yorick, Vars knows what he's doing right Vars?
Yorick when his ghouls did a fuckton of damage when they jumped was so incredibly fun. It was like throwing a khazix at them, provided you built like an assassin
I love LeBlanc's passive but I rarely see people exploit it. The new header is gorgeous btw
Because people can't play her so they think it's a bad champion xd
One of the best discussions i want a video for every class as a rengar main he still can do the triple q but its hard duo to only 8 sec before it goes away but it deal alot of dmg 6k dmg on malphite full dmg with full build is a little bit broken but i think he is good because as you said cc can shut him up while jumping and exhust too he cant get out so i liked that you mentioned it
he cant even pull off the 6k dmg on malph cuz LDR was nerfed and is disgusting goredrinker assassin meta
Well i didnt know about ldr nerf so that would make him take a hit + goredrinker meta is one of the worst rn i simply hate it assassins deals too much dmg while too hard to kill