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Baseball Hall of Fame voting for 2019 is complete and votes are being tallied. With Edgar Martinez and Mike Mussina seemingly on their way, Baseball Bits turns its attention to the case of Larry Walker. The Larry Walker Hall of Fame case is clear in my mind. He deserves to be voted in, but even though he has made big gains this year, it will come down to 2020 to decide if he actually gets in.
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This is a video about why Larry Walker should be in the Hall of Fame. It uses in-depth analytics to justify his inclusion despite the cries of LARRY WALKER COORS LARRY WALKER COORS. We compare him to a couple players, most notably Ken Griffey Jr. and the Todd Helton Hall of Fame case. The Todd Helton and Larry Walker Rockies played in offensive powerhouses, but that doesn't mean we can dismiss them entirely. This is all to say that unpacking the Coors Effect is of great important to understanding Walker's Hall of Fame case.
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So, you voted for Larry Walker
Foolish Baseball We did!
Foolish Baseball he’s in baby
Foolish Baseball The man did it
The madlad got in
Foolish Baseball update Larry Walker is in the Hall of Fame now, I love that ur video shed so much light on how great of a player he was, thank you foolish baseball
HE’S IN THE HALL OF FAME
76.6 PERCENT. 6 VOTES OVER 75 PERCENT. Well deserved.
This video definitely caused it happen. And that is incredible.
Larry Walker was one of only 4 players in Mike Piazza's Strike Zone for the N64 with maxed out batting power.
Should have brought that up. It helps his case.
Plus Larry Walker Had Been The Cover Athlete Of All-Star Baseball '99
Well that settles it.
Dude I still play that 64 cart lol.
isambo400 thats it, this is the clincher. HOF NOW!!!!
SO THEY VOTED FOR LARRY WALKER.
FUCKING BARELY THOUGH, HE DESERVED AT LEAST 80%, BUT I'M STILL HAPPY
@MANCHESTER UNITED SHUT UP!!!! YOU ARE ANNOYING AS FUCK. BASEBALL IS MORE EXCITING THAN THAT SPORT FOR SHORTIES. THIS IS UNWANTED SPAM. HOLY SHIT
@MANCHESTER UNITED Except youth participation in soccer in the US has fallen of a cliff over the last 5 years. Meanwhile, baseball youth participation has only increased.
@MANCHESTER UNITED F.C Yes, soccer is a great sport, known as "the beautiful game" for a reason. The talent professional soccer players show is nothing short of magical. But soccer has a 1/10th the depth baseball has. I mean, each team has their own sign language, and knowing what to do, where to throw, when to cut off a throw, knowing what pitch is coming.... soccer is just about kicking a ball around.
@MAN UTD I have decided to dislike this comment, because the sport is filled of f-ing whiny b*tches who every one with a mind hates.
He won 3 batting titles competing his whole career with Tony Gwynn.
Not bad.
To be fair, their prime hitting years didn't overlap by much. Tony Gwynn won his 8th and final batting title in 1997, at the age of 37. Larry Walker won his 1st batting title in 1998. (He did finish 2nd to Gwynn in 1997, but that was the only year he really competed with Gwynn for the batting title.) Tony Gwynn had already won 3 of his 8 batting titles before Larry Walker even played a major league game.
Larry Walker reminds of players like Will Clark, Don Mattingly, Frank White, Ruben Sierra. Juan Gonzales, Joe Carter, Albert Belle, Chuck Knoblauch, Gary Gaetti, Darryl Strawberry, Devon White, Andruw Jones, David Justice......with an honorable mention to Wally Joyner.
All good players, all stars, some batting champs and sluggers etc. All are memorable. But I just don't see him and the above mentioned as HOF level.
@@TheSaintFrenzy Then you need to look closer at those career stats and stop being so closed-minded about it. It should never have even been a discussion, he was an extremely good player.
@@AzureRaven2 Cool story....I'm going to make my case for Jim Edmonds, Craig Nettles, Dwight Evans, Reggie Smith, Gary Sheffield, Bobby Abreu, and least of all Dave Parker next for the HOF. Larry Walker was really good. But the hall of fame should be reserved for the really special.
TheSaintFrenzy someone special like Larry Walker
One of the major reasons...he played in Montreal and Colorado. Put him in Boston or New York and he would have been in long ago.
a world championship would have helped too, 16 years in montreal and colorado and only 1 playoff series, and they were swept.
@@tomitstube he played in a World Series with the Cardinals and was amazing in that series even though St. Louis was swept.
@@mattfrommo2483 good point, walker had a great run in the 2004 playoffs with the cardinals.
This isn't basketball, 1 position player cant win a series. Championships shouldn't be a determining factor. The only part of a championships that I would understand making a difference is WS MVP cause that means you were the best player on the best team, and performed when it matters.
Lol are you serious? There’s been plenty of players snubbed that played for the Yankees and if they played for any other team would have been voted in.
“...hitting a walk off homer off John Rocker, which is basically fighting racisim” subbed on spot
@@aocplusme5676 what
@@rvaneand326 their pfp comes from a band with a *lot* of connections to nazi theory and imagery so if my guess is correct, they should follow their leader
MusicMan haha look at this sad fucker he thinks he’s the ubermensch 😂 BTFO you basement dwelling no-life
Diskflame that made it more confusing
I don't get the joke/reference can someone explain?
This is John Bois level work. Awesome channel. So happy I found you.
@Noah Smits His best two in my opinion are the 1904 St Louis Marathon, & Randall Cunningham/NFL Strike in 1987. His Google Earth-style visuals are captivating and his choice of music is just strange enough to hook you into any of his videos. Compared to most other videos on SB Nation, his videos are way more cinematic. That's why he has a crazy following; his videos are to the other SB nation videos like what superhero films are to average sitcoms.
@@danielsavitz5774 I would say Lonnie Smith episode!
Oh yeah Jon bois the quality standard
@Noah Smits Hard to say. There's a bunch I keep watching again and again. The Koo Dae-Sung story, St-Louis marathon, My favorite worst player, the 222-0 basketball game (which tell a lot more than just this game.). Non sport related: The Larry Walter flying chair, The dumbest boy alive, Why do i choose this as a living.
@Noah Smits The NOOO! video (about the Saints kicker I'm too lazy to look up the name of) and the Ga. Tech 222-0 videos are my favorite. As a Braves fan I really enjoyed the Jeff Francouer one as well.
10 years later:
So, You Didn't Vote For Bartolo Colon
(We all know this wouldn't happen. Either he'd still be in the league or we'd all vote for him anyway)
Two more seasons...you need to play them Colon. #BartoloForThe4DecadeClub
fuck Bartolo Colon. Everyone loves him just because he's old and fat, but dude's a major asshole.
Yes, but it would be satire :P
@@picturedude1st yes. And your point is????
@@SadMarinersFan Bartolo Colon is a shitty dude and does not deserve the attention and love that he gets.
pft, it is quite obvious that he only got so many stolen bases because the air is thinner in coors, thus less wind resistance. we need a new coors based wind resistance statistic so we can further take away the accomplishments of anyone *stupid* enough to play in *coors* field.
god damnit just vote him in already, he was a specatular baseball player. im not even a rocky fan, im from ny. i had so much respect for him back in the day
Don’t forget that he’s Canadian. The conversion rate really kills his numbers.
@@FoolishBaseball How much are home runs worth in Canadian?
Update: Guess what? 😁
Mike Palmer it’s about time! Hell yeahhhhhh
Yes, and the coors effect helps his range too! Easier to throw in thin air. Easier to run around and catch balls... :)
Great video once again!
Yo Marc
Hi marc
Joseph Stalin YOOOO IS THAT JOSEPH STALIN
@@obeserat26 no I'm fake
Joseph Stalin damn
Larry Walker may be a worthy hall of famer, his father Larry Walker Sr, is a bad umpire in my junior league
God one I love your profile. 2 great comment.
You are doing a tremendous service to baseball as a sport, we need more young voices like you. This channel will take off eventually.
September 9th, 2021. Larry Walker is officially a hall of famer.
Jr’s road OPS is inflated because more of his road games were at Coors than Walker’s.
This TH-cam video actually got a man inducted into the HOF. Great job Foolish & congratulations to Larry Walker! HoF class of 2020!
Todd Helton was one of the best defensive first basemen of all time...I would not call him a bat-only player.
He was a good defensive first baseman, but I'm still of the opinion that being a good defensive first baseman isn't worth all that much.
+Foolish Baseball thats the kinda opinion that gets you the name "foolish"...
@@benshumate8173 Welp, then this channel is just as advertised.
+Foolish Baseball haha, apparently! i do love your stuff
Certainly, brilliant defense at first doesn't make up more than maybe 25% of his value...probably more like 15%...but, for his position, he is still more or less the full package. Defensively, he want far behind the aforementioned Keith Hernandez, for example.
Good stuff in the vid though...I've enjoyed your channel since I discovered it. :)
Fun fact, Larry Walker recently sat in as the Avalanche's emergency goaltender before the NHL season got postponed, at the crisp young age of 53.
Congrats to Larry Walker! He finally got in!
Great choice. Donkey Kong's soundtrack to convince you of Larry Walker's HOF case. Best video editing ever
You make a compelling case for Mr Walker's entry into Cooperstown. He was a great all around player.
He could do it all!
@@FoolishBaseball IT HAPPENED
I am still bitter that Lofton didn't even get enough votes to stay on the ballot in his first year..
WP With Tom thank to me growing up he was like Ricky Henderson with great d in center etc
Veterans comittte 100%
You put out some dope content, keep it up.
It’s always been a surprising thing for me that Walker never gets mentioned as among the best of the era. Thanks for making this vid! Excellent as always, and props for getting Verlander to notice your earlier video
Found the channel this week and look forward to getting your alerts.
Thanks for the vid.
"he hit a walk off HR off John Rocker which is basically the same thing as fighting racism" 😂😂 I'm deaddd
There is literally a dearth of baseball commentary on TH-cam. Keep this up man, this is amazing content and you are essentially unrivaled.
Coors field is so overblown
And either way, what matters is if you help your team win. 40 homers from a rockies player helps the rockies win. That what makes a player good. Contributing. WAR
And also, the whole park adjustment thing makes him a defensive wizard
Finally.
Watched your video a year ago, had to come look for comments updates. Did not disappoint
Donkey Kong Country 2 music
Y E S
Best soundtrack ever.
Noticed that too, huh? Video games and baseball, this channel is glorious
Thank you for all your work and making a case for Walker!
He made it by 6 votes and you very well may have tipped the scales!
So good to see the content coming out again. Getting better and better.
I was having a debate with my dad whether walker was a hall of famer, he said no bc of coors field so I pulled up this video to show that his road ops was better than Griffey’s and that he had 7 gold gloves and he said “yeah he should be a hall of famer”
BBWAA members' favorite player : Cap Anson.
Great Video, Larry definitely deserves in! Also that stat at 8:20 is incredible, didn't know that!
Larry Walker on the Cards was lit, his arm in right was amazing
This will probably get lost in the sea of comments, but I just wanted to say that you’re doing an incredible job with your content. As someone whose two favorite interests are sports and video games, I’ve really enjoyed both your commentary and your nods to classic games with your background music and sound effects. You are extremely knowledgeable, witty, creative, and entertaining. If you keep doing what you’re doing, you’re going to be wildly successful on TH-cam. Thanks for making such awesome videos!
It's not lost! Thank you for kind words.
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Man I just love learning more and more about baseball while listening video games song and more particularly Nintendo song, thank you so much for your great contents and best luck for your futur videos !
UK fan. Many thanx for educating me. Much appreciated
Great work! I know it's probably been done before. You should make a video about the potential of Josh Hamilton and his story. The stories of him in high school are legendary.
It's good to see Larry Walker getting some love. I was a fan of his when he was on the Cardinals. I remember his tenure fondly.
Yo foolish baseball, thank you so much. I believe your video helped my favorite baseball player get in the hall of fame. Im so happy for him and again i watched this last year like 10 times. Even before watching i knew he belonged
Dude, you have a gift. Just found your channel, and it's already my favorite. Keep educating!!
:) appreciate that!
As a Rockies fan I'm obviously really biased but I love this video. Also, for all of the times that people have said that our position players don't deserve various accolades because of Coors field, how come it never works the other way around for our pitching staff? Like why didn't Freeland get more buzz for the Cy Young because he pitched so well at Coors? I'm not saying he definitely deserved it, but if all our position players get knocked down a peg for playing at Coors, our pitchers should get some sort credit for it.
Freeland and Marquez were massive last year.
I remember watching Ubaldo as a Rocky not getting credit except from the homer announcers on FSN Rocky Mountain. Even his no hitter (which I watched) didn't get much credit outside of the intermountain west.
that is too much thinking for the BBWAA
That's a really good point, I'm surprised that isn't brought up more often. I also think Larry Walker should be in the HOF but perhaps I am a little bias as well because I am Canadian. I mean he had 3 seasons in a row where he batted over .360. If you look at his 162 game avg stats it is 31 HR, 107 RBI, .313 BA, 20 SB, those are HOF stats if I have ever seen them. If he played in NY or BOS he'd have been first ballot. He definitely deserves a spot in the HOF.
@@Mcrawf21 As someone from the east coast who doesn’t particularly follow the Rockies, the only time I could think of where Ubaldo got any national attention at all was in 2010 and that was because he made it impossible to ignore him. He started that year with the no hitter (which got no real attention like you said), then went on to have a sub 1.00 ERA through his first 12 starts and started the All-Star game after going 15-1 in the first half. Even then, I don’t think he got any attention until June
He's in!!!
It's really nice to find a great channel like this when it is still in its infancy. I imagine there will be some really fast growth coming your way if you continue to pump out the great content! Keep at it!
8:01 The sound effect after the John Rocker comment got me lol.
They finally voted for Larry Walker
"now in all fairness Griffey had 3000 more plate appearances, but apart from that..." LOLOL
The production quality of these vids are so high... Citizens demand more!!! And thanks. 😊
Your videos are the best baseball ones on TH-cam. Have a great new year and make me more content, goddammit!
I watch one SB nation video and then I fall into the sports rabbit hole
Falling into another rabbit hole of identifying classic video game music in the videos
It's a danger spot for sure. Even worse, I have a new one coming out in like 45 minutes.
@@FoolishBaseball I call shenanigans
Who’s here after Larry Walker got voted into the hall of fame finally?
Please keep the great content coming dude.
I genuinely think that this video and similar people raising awareness about about Larry Walker were the key reason that Larry Walker FINALLY got into the hall of fame. Great video and great work!
Update. On 1/21/20 Walker is now officially in the hall of fame!!
I love the Donkey Kong Country music - almost makes me wanna bust out the emulator now.
You have an awesome, under the radar baseball channel. Please continue the phenomenal work. Also, major bonus points for incorporating the DKC soundtrack into your videos. Great stuff!
Much appreciated, Michael. DKC2 might be the best soundtrack in gaming.
I like what you're doing.
I learn a lot.
Good work!!!
Thank you Michael. Glad you're digging the videos.
DONKEY KONG MUSICCCCCCCC NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY THAT’S LITERALLY AMAZING
Please make a video about Will "The Thrill" Clark. Either about his perfect looking swing or his intensity when playing. He's my favorite player of all time!
Thank You!! I'm a Rockies fan and it sucks every year to see him snubbed. How can people forget about him!!!
Great addition adding the DKC 2 music to this video. Made this even more awesome. :D
Larry walker is now elected to the hall of fame
I mean, there's no way this video didn't help change some people's minds
Stumbled onto your channel and love the content! Great Work!
you did it man! he finally got the recognition and got in and i feel this video played a huge factor into today!
Hopefully walker and Helton can both get in
This was amazing. I love the donkey Kong music. You should do a Matt Carpenter video. One the most interning lead off hitters in my opinion
He's interning? I thought he'd have a full time job by now.
I've been watching since the start of the ChiSox series and hope you continue with OOTP at some point. Congratulations on your upward momentum as a channel!
THE BEAST. Ironically, as a kid I learned about Larry Walker thru Ken Griffey Jr. Baseball. His contact zone, along with paul molitor was huge.
he was my favorite player back in the days. he WILL get in!
Fingers crossed. Even if he misses next year, he might have a chance on the veterans committee. He was a pretty well-liked player.
I don't even like baseball but here I am subscribed
My friend and I were JUST talking about Larry Walker today! Great video and glad I subscribed - also followed you on Twitter - can't wait for Thursday, full day of games from the greatest sport ever!
Much appreciated dude! Definitely can't wait for Thursday!
You just earned a sub not just because of awesome content....but the DKC2 soundtrack in the back is pure gold!
Glad to hear that. Yeah, I said in an earlier comment that DKC2 might be the best video game soundtrack ever.
@@FoolishBaseball i agree 100% with you. DKC2 soundtrack to me for its time is phenomenal. Please put in retro soundtracks to your videos. I have been binge watching your content and im really impressed. Really excited for the trajectory of your channel. Keep up the quality of your content and the milestones will follow suit👍
HE'S FINALLY IN THE HOF!!
Personally, I divide Hall of Famers into three categories: the great ones, the very good ones, and those who should not be in there. Two examples of the first category would be Willie Mays and Babe Ruth. Two examples of the second category would be George Brett and Enos Slaughter. Two examples of the third category would be Tony Perez and Joe Cronin. There are a number of ex-players that would be right there on the cusp with Larry Walker. Al Oliver and Fred McGriff come to mind. I'm a purest. My hall of fame would have about 40 players. Most years would have no inductees. This year there would be Mariano Rivera. Last year Jim Thome and no one in 2017. The previous inductee would have been Ken Griffey Jr. 3 years ago.
Good thing you don't vote then.
Jeff Bagwell had a career WAR of 79.9 and you wouldn't have voted for him in 2017? His career WAR was only 4 below Griffey's, which, given how long they played, was like 0.2 WAR per year. Would you not have let Frank Thomas in either? That would be absurd given he was one of the best hitters of all time, yet Thomas' career WAR is 6 lower Bagwell's. The only possible reason to not let Bagwell in would be steroid rumors, but given he never failed a drug test and all evidence he used is circumstantial, I think it would be wrong to deny him on that basis.
All three electees in 2017 were legit. Pudge Rodriguez and Tim Raines both had 69 career WAR which is more than enough to merit hall of fame induction. Tim Raines is fifth all time in stolen bases and has a career stolen base percentage of 85%.
@Jon English Well, you've got guys like Scott Rolen and Dwight Evans who never got a sniff of the HOF who have better WAR numbers than do Willie Stargell or Hank Greenberg who are in the Hall. so you need to take your complaint to the HOF voters and not waste your time on me.
Mike Walters Then it’s a good thing that the HOF makes a distinction exactly like the one you are describing; called “first ballot”.
While there isn’t a special wing where “first ballot” players are separated from the “very good players” who eventually get in; the great ones are denoted as special by their “first ballot” status; and described as such with this specific language.
Completely agree! Great video, great channel 👌🏾
Uncredible video quality as always!
Let’s go Larry Walker in the HOF
You’re one of the main reasons I’ve fallen back in love with the game.
Thanks for making it nerdy enough to appeal to me lol
I need numbers dammit!!!
Subbed today @14k...won’t be long till this channel blows, amazing content, keep up the work, won’t be long till you hit 100k
FINALLY!!! I bet your video helped get him in...great job!
This channel is the new Jon Bois
Chi Sox I miss Jon bois
And alas, Larry Walker is finally a Hall of Famer!
Just here to celebrate this moment. It's official: Larry Walker, HOF Class of 2020!
I just discovered this channel and I’m loving it
Lived in the Seattle area all my life and of course I loved KGJ and Edgar....but...there is no way Edgar is better than Larry. Personally, I think Ichiro contributed more to Seattle baseball than any other player....
If it wasn't for Griffey the Seattle Mariners would have moved... Pretty sure that's the biggest contribution one could make.
LARRY WALKER HAS MADE IT TO THE HALL OF FAME!!!
Love the baseball bits. Looking forward to more
Cogent baseball discussion with a clear narrative voice and style. Excellent videos.
4:38 what about John Olerud?
Finally! He made it to the HOF!
Love watching these vids theyre super interesting and entertaining!!!
Falling in love with your account! Great job
Lol let’s see if this works
It's already working. Larry has seen a big increase this year thanks to my brainwash- erm, re-education. I just need one more year to get him over the threshold.
sadly, it probably won't this year 😔
@@FoolishBaseball It worked.
@@picturedude1st this comment didnt age well
Guess who just got announced as a hall of famer?
#LarryWalker
#HOF
Got back from the induction a few days ago. Huge Yankee fan and I grew up with Jeter but Walker had the best speech. So personal it was amazing. Thanks for single handily getting him the hall Bailey
Some of my first memories that I have are sitting in right field (and the rockpile) at Coors, cheering on Larry. It's even to the point where I currently have a LW baseball card that I keep in my wallet with me at the age of 25. Truly one of the greats.