1:48 I think I know why. When a boss monster spares you, but you fight instead of sparing, you deal INSANE amount of damage, because you did a "betrayal attack", which does enough damage to finish them off. So, if you spare Sans, now he can do a "betrayal attack" which cannot be dodged.
5:30 during the secret, to the public unknown war in 1997, the Spamton Neo was succesfully deployed to vietnam. Many lives were lost, and "The Neo prototype", as the creators called it, vanished, never seen again.
A take: there is no better genocide route, both are fantastic because they both fit the context of their respective stories. Snowgrave wouldn't have a great impact in Undertale just like Genocide wouldn't make sense in Deltarune. One is bone-chilling manipulation and psychological abuse of a friend in a very character-driven and somewhat settled narrative that discusses familial relations and friendships, the other is a horrific unethical act of "purging" of a marginalised populace severely affected by war, both accompanied by the diegetic nature of controls.
It's just the fact that Genocide isn't as effective at disturbing the player as Snowgrave is. Genocide tries to guilt trip you into getting out of a run even though it gives you the most lore for the game, second only to pacifist, and the run just ends with you accomplishing nothing. It tries to be a deviation from the main game's themes of how your choices affect others but ends up not fully living up to that. Meanwhile, in Snowgrave, this is the most pure and unfiltered version of Kris and Noelle's relationship. There's already some pieces of lore that say that Kris and Noelle aren't actually as friendly to each other as we think they are, and Kris manipulating her seems kind of in character for them in a twisted way. And in the end, despite going out of their way to try to destroy Noelle's mind, kill everyone in the new Dark World, including Berdly, and even become the commander of the Lightner party, it turns out that none of that mattered. In fact, Kris made Noelle a BETTER person because of it. Snowgrave goes to show the true theme of Deltarune, that your choices never really mattered. So in my opinion, Snowgrave does a better job of affecting the player and proving the themes of the game than Undertale's Genocide route.
@@RushWheelerkris manipulating noelle is in NO way in character for them. they are clearly deeply disturbed by the actions you take in the snowgrave route, shown by how they refuse to let the player see noelle again when you go to her room in cyber world, and how when you meet back up with susie and ralsei after freezing berdly susie comments on how kris looks unwell
My personal theory with the "get dunked on" attack is that just like how you can oneshot monsters once there sparable as a betrayal kill, it works the same with monsters, sparing is a sign of vulnarability on both ends, sans is just the only monster willing to exploit that because at that point you definetely deserve it.
2:38 fun fact: I was actually working on an AU called RealTale where the monsters are all different and the monsters in the boss battles are me and my friends (frisk is still the same) and I already thought of 4 chapters for geno and 2 chapters for pacifist (but I haven't even completed the first chapter yet)
So, i know the entire story. Gooseworx, the creator of TADC, was trying to find inspiration for Caine’s voice, when she stumbled upon these Spamton comic dubs. This guy who was voicing Spamton did this showman/salesman kind of voice, and goose was like, “wow, this guy plays this kind of character really well.” She had her voice inspiration for Caine, but now she just needed an actor who could do a voice like the guy. Then, she was like “Why don’t I just get the guy?” And that, my friends, is how Alex Rochon got the role of Caine. I love that man, he’s awesome
I love how we can see the descent to madness every time Cibles open the Discord, way to go fellas! One of these days I think a post might actually break her
@@cCFXskd3dE8BKTE4ZLhVDmyJKSFIxH I know. But i like He. And if your gonna call me "Transphobic" i'll give you reason why i don't like the idea of "transgender"
1:32 sans didn't break the button because he don't have the power tondestroy buttons, unlike asgore. Also, sans was able to do the "get dunked on attack" because frisk lowered their guard 😅
5:45 The worst part is, that's essentially how he treats it the rest of the game: Oh you killed papyrus? Ok, frogget No.247 is dead too so nothing personal.
sans can't use the get dunked on attack because he can only use it as a mercy kill, like how when a monster spares you you can kill them easily, same with your character, you show sans mercy, and he can kill you easily.
1:30 this got me thinking. The undertale no mercy route is, honestly, not very interesting aside from the two bosses. It is quite shallowing in terms of meaning and can come off as grossly edgy at times. The deltarune snowgrave route has much more going for it. It’s far more interesting in both meaning and gameplay with a literally creepypasta way of going through the route; and a twisted narrative where we have Noelle commit more and more horrible deeds.
For the questions on why Sans can't break the fight button or why he didn't use the "Get Dunked on" attack on Frisk during his battle, there are actual answers for both. Asgore hits the mercy button using a physical weapon, which is also the strongest physical weapon used in the game, which is what causes the button to break. He doesn't use magic to break it because it wouldn't actually do anything, so Sans couldn't be able to do the same since he has neither the strength or a weapon strong enough to break the fight button. As for why Sans doesn't use his "Get Dunked on" attack immediately, it's because he's using a betrayal kill while the human has a low guard, the same trick that Frisk has used on countless occasions to kill monsters more easily, and it wouldn't work on them if Sans had just used it initially, since their guard isn't low enough for it to work.
' ChaosTale. An undertale AU where every monster is an eldritch god or eldritch abomination. The temmies all merged into one becoming a hivemind full of joy and wanting to buy and sell anything, sometimes even adding it to their shrine that houses the brain of all temmies. The souls literally enveloped the corpse of the fallen human, using it as a puppet filled with artificial determination. The monsters that ascended to godhood suddenly either go insane with the immense power coursing through them to only lose it as their original form becomes nothing more than their personal mortal prison of an avatar or are willing to become your patron to help within battles that you cannot fight alone. You as the player would have to expect the unexpected when interacting with each creature or avatar you come across as most of them still have some powers that are buffed beyond comprehension and will attempt to break your mind as well as try to kill you as they're not all friendly like most of them who are willing to share their power with others. The underground and barrier can only contain the avatars of these gods and if you think of killing the avatars that are bound to this underground and are slightly powerless due to being bound within their mortal prisons... You're not just going to have a bad time... It's going to be beyond that now. Welcome to ChaosTale where death's not the end nor shall it free you from this hell you bring forth and bestow upon yourself. This was inspired by this video and hope for everyone to see this comment and do their best to bring this AU to life. ' - Chrome
1:17 snowgrave is good cause its not beating you with the message of “omg killing is bad stop now please!!!!” and it feels fucked up corrupting Noelle into a Icy Killing Machine
The Matpat one was hilarious 🤣. Haven't watched fnaf movie but it looks really great. Also great video Cibles! Also I prefer both genocide routes and I say omega flowey.
i like both gen routes the same but in very different ways. the undertale one makes me bop my head and think ab the timelines, the deltarune one makes me question myself and others. both great!! :D
Wow, I wonder what the "Although, I do kinda want McDonald’s. But I’ve had quite a few burgers this past week, at least that’s what it feels like"TALE AU would be like.
My expanation for 1:49 I think that the only reason he was able to use the "get dunked on" attack was because Frisk had let their guard down by sparing Sans. But hey, that's just a theory A GAME THEORY
if I have to choose which genocide is better, then I will choose undertale. because in deltarune for me there is no that atmosphere, loneliness. but in deltarune they showed the genocide route well, we hope that Toby will only improve this in the third chapter
0:01 Matpat is called Ness in the Fnaf movie. 0:52 omg 2:32 omgtale 3:50 omg 5:28 deploy spamton neo in cyber city 6:38 first phoenixsc saw this, now cibles. Amazing. 7:23 ...OH SHOOT, HE'S RIGHT.
I am not joking when I say this, the moment you asked what Burgerpants' real name would be I said 'Jeremy' the second before you did. Great minds think alike.
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Huh
1:48 I think I know why. When a boss monster spares you, but you fight instead of sparing, you deal INSANE amount of damage, because you did a "betrayal attack", which does enough damage to finish them off. So, if you spare Sans, now he can do a "betrayal attack" which cannot be dodged.
Just like you did with Papyrus.
@@the_demon149 and Undyne technically but she presist into Undyne the Undying.
thats SMART!
Technically it's "boss fight monster." Boss monsters are the goat people(examples: toriel, asgore, asriel.)
@@the_demon149If you are an fing bish. You know what it means.
5:30 during the secret, to the public unknown war in 1997, the Spamton Neo was succesfully deployed to vietnam. Many lives were lost, and "The Neo prototype", as the creators called it, vanished, never seen again.
He's probably fighting freddy fazbear right now
Imagine looking up and there's just Pipis falling down
I just realized I posted that one
spamton is out there. we must retrieve spamton from vietnam.
A take: there is no better genocide route, both are fantastic because they both fit the context of their respective stories. Snowgrave wouldn't have a great impact in Undertale just like Genocide wouldn't make sense in Deltarune. One is bone-chilling manipulation and psychological abuse of a friend in a very character-driven and somewhat settled narrative that discusses familial relations and friendships, the other is a horrific unethical act of "purging" of a marginalised populace severely affected by war, both accompanied by the diegetic nature of controls.
Truth
The thing is that genocide can really get boring with all the exp farming
@@Elaniden that's like saying "berdly is annoying", it's true but like *gets purged*
It's just the fact that Genocide isn't as effective at disturbing the player as Snowgrave is. Genocide tries to guilt trip you into getting out of a run even though it gives you the most lore for the game, second only to pacifist, and the run just ends with you accomplishing nothing. It tries to be a deviation from the main game's themes of how your choices affect others but ends up not fully living up to that. Meanwhile, in Snowgrave, this is the most pure and unfiltered version of Kris and Noelle's relationship. There's already some pieces of lore that say that Kris and Noelle aren't actually as friendly to each other as we think they are, and Kris manipulating her seems kind of in character for them in a twisted way. And in the end, despite going out of their way to try to destroy Noelle's mind, kill everyone in the new Dark World, including Berdly, and even become the commander of the Lightner party, it turns out that none of that mattered. In fact, Kris made Noelle a BETTER person because of it. Snowgrave goes to show the true theme of Deltarune, that your choices never really mattered. So in my opinion, Snowgrave does a better job of affecting the player and proving the themes of the game than Undertale's Genocide route.
@@RushWheelerkris manipulating noelle is in NO way in character for them. they are clearly deeply disturbed by the actions you take in the snowgrave route, shown by how they refuse to let the player see noelle again when you go to her room in cyber world, and how when you meet back up with susie and ralsei after freezing berdly susie comments on how kris looks unwell
fun fact: Alex Rochan (the guy who voice acts Caine) did some really good Spamton dubs on his TH-cam channel
Caine is actually somewhat based off of Spamton.
Some? you mean a lot!
I'm using this comment to advertise Alex reading spam emails as Spamton
0:32 frisks pronouns: nyeh/heh
Frisk is suh a doofus not gonna lie. Heh such a moron that even papyrus nyehself thinks it's cool.
Yes
he him him
HYEH/HEH/HEH/HEH/HEH
@@jpvera3042 no
My personal theory with the "get dunked on" attack is that just like how you can oneshot monsters once there sparable as a betrayal kill, it works the same with monsters, sparing is a sign of vulnarability on both ends, sans is just the only monster willing to exploit that because at that point you definetely deserve it.
2:52 I have the Undertale characters in the sims and I'm now changing his name from 'Burger Pants' to 'Jeremy Burgerpants' Thanks Cibles 😂
4:50 alarm clock confirms Mad Mew Mew is also a streamer. So there's that
3:10 The name fits him perfectly
7:05 The meme that I posted made it into the video
I am way more excited about this than I should be
JUPO
6:36 girl's conjuring something into existence XD
SUMMONING GASTER CONFIRMED???!1!
Patrick in AI sponge every couple minutes:
5:09 I believe that the scene is from a fangame called Remembering Genocides or smth, which is based on the "I remember you're genocides" meme
7:27 "GHASTER"
hi that meme's my fault, yes
@@CyborusYT It's fine. I need my WingDings reading practice. Got a little rusty
1:59 i guess nobody nose
Jeremy is way too powerful. He can’t go to hell anyway.
Well, unlike some of the monsters, Jim can't go to hell, he's all out of vacation days.
0:03 it’s actually DIRECT. scott very specifically meant it to be a sans is ness joke.
Matpat is ness confirmed
Mat pat is mathew pathee
Matpat is Sansness confirmed
I would say you called it but it's kind too late now
Matpat is Sans confirmed !!??
i can’t believe frisk is a papyrus, happy to have a gender for papyruem
If only papyrus is allowed, then papyrus was never a “he” or a “brother”. Papyrus gender is papyrus as well.
@@TheFirstFallen sounds about right
3:28 Alphys is one of my favorite characters, she’s way too underrated
Yeah everyone hates alphys and I just don't get it she is easily in my top five characters
I'd like to agree with you, but sadly, alphys is annoying af bro
2:38 fun fact: I was actually working on an AU called RealTale where the monsters are all different and the monsters in the boss battles are me and my friends (frisk is still the same) and I already thought of 4 chapters for geno and 2 chapters for pacifist (but I haven't even completed the first chapter yet)
7:20 actually, it was confirmed that Caine’s voice was inspired by Spamton
Or straight up spamton, the voice actor did spamton dubs
So, i know the entire story.
Gooseworx, the creator of TADC, was trying to find inspiration for Caine’s voice, when she stumbled upon these Spamton comic dubs. This guy who was voicing Spamton did this showman/salesman kind of voice, and goose was like, “wow, this guy plays this kind of character really well.” She had her voice inspiration for Caine, but now she just needed an actor who could do a voice like the guy. Then, she was like “Why don’t I just get the guy?” And that, my friends, is how Alex Rochon got the role of Caine. I love that man, he’s awesome
makes sense to me
I love how we can see the descent to madness every time Cibles open the Discord, way to go fellas! One of these days I think a post might actually break her
Wh will know when She/He, will lose sanity
@@Fused77 it's she
@@cCFXskd3dE8BKTE4ZLhVDmyJKSFIxH I know. But i like He. And if your gonna call me "Transphobic" i'll give you reason why i don't like the idea of "transgender"
1:32 sans didn't break the button because he don't have the power tondestroy buttons, unlike asgore.
Also, sans was able to do the "get dunked on attack" because frisk lowered their guard 😅
5:45 The worst part is, that's essentially how he treats it the rest of the game:
Oh you killed papyrus? Ok, frogget No.247 is dead too so nothing personal.
sans can't use the get dunked on attack because he can only use it as a mercy kill, like how when a monster spares you you can kill them easily, same with your character, you show sans mercy, and he can kill you easily.
7:00 thw word straight is 7 letters long he had to edit his file lol pretty cool
2:42 mine is buy one in the store
BUY ONE IN THE STORETALE!!!!!
Pickuptale
Undertaletale
Sanstale (no seriously)
Idon’tmindtale 😭😭
6:58 I prefere the genocide Run with the name "gay"
omg yes
7:39 don’t worry Cibles, I’ll keep at it, I’ll give you funny memes!!! I’ll make sure you’re meme channel doesn’t go to shit!!!!
2:53 I LITERALLY WAS THINKING "JEREMY" JUST AS YOU SAID THAT LJHGDDHWIJJBFJKS-
1:30 this got me thinking. The undertale no mercy route is, honestly, not very interesting aside from the two bosses. It is quite shallowing in terms of meaning and can come off as grossly edgy at times. The deltarune snowgrave route has much more going for it. It’s far more interesting in both meaning and gameplay with a literally creepypasta way of going through the route; and a twisted narrative where we have Noelle commit more and more horrible deeds.
That's the point of undertale genocide, It's a hollow victory, you won but at what cost?
Yeah it is supposed to be shallow and empty you are destroying the games narrative by killing all the characters
7:26
I'VE LITERALLY THOUGHT OF MAKING THIS FOR MONTHS!!!! THANK YOU TO WHOEVER SENT THIS!!!!!
1:02 Actually, there's a huge chance for an UndertaleXAmong Us crossover.
There is
Don’t ask why it happened
@@GabrielPerez-br5mm indie cosmicube
0:52 just looks like jack skellington with a couple cracks on his skull
Because it's photoshopped from the Jack skellington skin
@@Bedrockpanda-yw2jo oh i didn't know that was a thing lol
Hey Cibleleleles I really love these videos thank you for making my sleep deprived mournings better!
5:21 no, photoshop is a drug, and this is his 10th day on photoshop
you know, that actually explains a lot
holy shit hold the phone is papyrus non-binary????
papyrus is papyrus
010110 I am binary
Papyrus is a trinary.
Naw he's a man
@@pideperdonus2papyrus is octobinary
2:34 “maybe after I showertale”
For the questions on why Sans can't break the fight button or why he didn't use the "Get Dunked on" attack on Frisk during his battle, there are actual answers for both.
Asgore hits the mercy button using a physical weapon, which is also the strongest physical weapon used in the game, which is what causes the button to break. He doesn't use magic to break it because it wouldn't actually do anything, so Sans couldn't be able to do the same since he has neither the strength or a weapon strong enough to break the fight button.
As for why Sans doesn't use his "Get Dunked on" attack immediately, it's because he's using a betrayal kill while the human has a low guard, the same trick that Frisk has used on countless occasions to kill monsters more easily, and it wouldn't work on them if Sans had just used it initially, since their guard isn't low enough for it to work.
0:52 Literally would have the exact same reaction :)
Lmao
7:05 This image is from La Jupo Vania, which is a great fangame with an insane original plot, and it’ definitely worth checking out
I Choked laughing on the "Eat shit and die part" LMFAO
2:56 burgerpants is actually named jeffered
5:57 ive known this for so long and yet i never see anyone talk about it it's one of my favorite obscure undertale jokes
4:15 NICE [Meme] ILL BE TAKING [That]
Burgerpants really pulled a "Nuh uh" on the genocide route
What is burger pants real name
Me: Jeremy
Cibles: Jeremy
SNOWGRAVE IS SO TRAUMATIZING!!!
' ChaosTale. An undertale AU where every monster is an eldritch god or eldritch abomination.
The temmies all merged into one becoming a hivemind full of joy and wanting to buy and sell anything, sometimes even adding it to their shrine that houses the brain of all temmies.
The souls literally enveloped the corpse of the fallen human, using it as a puppet filled with artificial determination.
The monsters that ascended to godhood suddenly either go insane with the immense power coursing through them to only lose it as their original form becomes nothing more than their personal mortal prison of an avatar or are willing to become your patron to help within battles that you cannot fight alone.
You as the player would have to expect the unexpected when interacting with each creature or avatar you come across as most of them still have some powers that are buffed beyond comprehension and will attempt to break your mind as well as try to kill you as they're not all friendly like most of them who are willing to share their power with others.
The underground and barrier can only contain the avatars of these gods and if you think of killing the avatars that are bound to this underground and are slightly powerless due to being bound within their mortal prisons... You're not just going to have a bad time... It's going to be beyond that now. Welcome to ChaosTale where death's not the end nor shall it free you from this hell you bring forth and bestow upon yourself.
This was inspired by this video and hope for everyone to see this comment and do their best to bring this AU to life. ' - Chrome
2:53 I WAS LITERALLY JUST THINKING THAT HIS NAME WOULD BE JEREMY
1:17 snowgrave is good cause its not beating you with the message of “omg killing is bad stop now please!!!!” and it feels fucked up corrupting Noelle into a Icy Killing Machine
... Burgerpants real name is Jeremy, huh. Now that hits close to home and I don't know what to think of that.
- me, a Jeremy.
Wait until you hear about Scout from tf2
The Matpat one was hilarious 🤣. Haven't watched fnaf movie but it looks really great. Also great video Cibles!
Also I prefer both genocide routes and I say omega flowey.
4:14 MY MEME :D
Good job, [BIGSHOT]
Thanks, you [little sponge]
You did good you [Little slime]
7:04 La Jupo Vania
7:34
I DREW THAT. THAT WAS ME
Yo really... cool, how much did it took to make?
@@Poja_0811 48 mins
@@GenderlessFridge well i mean it's an exelent job for less than an hour of work
Burgerpants' real name HAS to be Jeremy, it's too perfect. he just LOOOKS like a "Jeremy"
Papyrus is papyrus, he’s not a male or a female, or a Walmart bag, or a non binary, or a lawnmower
He’s a papyrus
"Im going to the mall tomorrow tale" Best undertale AU ever it has tons of lore
7:16 That one Killer! Sans meme that no one noticed
Happy you recovered from whatever illness you had. ❤
i like both gen routes the same but in very different ways. the undertale one makes me bop my head and think ab the timelines, the deltarune one makes me question myself and others. both great!! :D
I still can't believe I share a birthday with Toby Fox lol
2:30 Hydrochl*ricAcidTale
Oh Toby foxes birthday is only a couple days after mine
my last text was: drunk, DRUNKTALE
Good to see you back and well!!
"Im cuddling a bottle of coke i think theres something wrong with me lmao-tale"
Dont ask
Jeremy Frits Jerald 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱 3:02
Wow, I wonder what the "Although, I do kinda want McDonald’s. But I’ve had quite a few burgers this past week, at least that’s what it feels like"TALE AU would be like.
Hey Cibles glad youre feeling better. Also i always thought Burgerpants's name would be Belamy but eh to each their own❤😊
2:38 who wants to play sametale with me
My expanation for 1:49 I think that the only reason he was able to use the "get dunked on" attack was because Frisk had let their guard down by sparing Sans. But hey, that's just a theory
A GAME THEORY
It could just be that sans sees it as pointless. Whats the point of using the same attack over and over if they’ll just
Come back?
@@kingofdemons948 but eventually they would stop after realizing the fight is literally impossible
if I have to choose which genocide is better, then I will choose undertale. because in deltarune for me there is no that atmosphere, loneliness. but in deltarune they showed the genocide route well, we hope that Toby will only improve this in the third chapter
this genuinely scared me
Cibles: (looking at Toby Fox's birthday which is October 11th)
Me: Today is October 11th!
2:30 Behold, the masterpiece, ‘Suretale’.
the reason sans only uses get dunked on when you spare him is because you get close to him its implied he hugs you in his dialogue "c'mere, pal."
0:01 Matpat is called Ness in the Fnaf movie.
0:52 omg
2:32 omgtale
3:50 omg
5:28 deploy spamton neo in cyber city
6:38 first phoenixsc saw this, now cibles. Amazing.
7:23 ...OH SHOOT, HE'S RIGHT.
Burger Pants is giving me huge Mike vibes but Jeremy works as well.
2:27 "Gun Building SpeedrunTale" lol
2:31 oktale
7:56 Me too, every time i see the word
I think Snowgrave is pretty... cool.
BA DAM TSSSSSSS
Okay but why did the fanon sans vs canon sans make me giggle sm 💀😭
I actually think Snowgrave is significantly more intriguing than Undertale's genocide, as well as just more disturbing in general.
2:26 I guess my public domain Deltarune OC, Quickland, is an Undertale AU now.
Jeremy is my favorite shopkeeper
7:20 : But hey, that’s just a theory, a GAME THEORY. I have no sense of humor.
2:36 SpinTale XDDDDD
"I thought Deltarune Snowgrave was cool"
I see what you did there
Hey Cibles I hope you're feeling better. Best wishes. Xoxo
2:53
JEREMY!!! I FORGOT TO FEED JEREMY!!!
- Count Koffin K
(Bugerpant is a fish Confirmed!?!?)
I got to the part of the video with the text one and my last text was the meme where papyrus tries to sing but Sans keeps saying GIVE US YOUR BALLS
Pants actually DOES kinda look like a Jeremy…
4:22 moist krisical
2:29 introducing the newest in Undertale AUs: YOU-PUT-THE-FREAKING-ELF-ON-MY-BED-tale
I am not joking when I say this, the moment you asked what Burgerpants' real name would be I said 'Jeremy' the second before you did.
Great minds think alike.
7:15 KILLER SANS???