Turning your shoulder in preparation pushing with your leg forward twisting your hip getting good contact. Now directing the ball with spin power and speed . That's how 👍💯
Hey, that's really great illustration. Maybe you can do a video about how they impart more top spin on the one hander. This has to be related to the wrist being loose but very hard to control with the OH
Its all about finding that slot using the racquet's edge, I use that low to high swing motion not just for topspin driving but also use it for doing my slice drive with to flatten out the ball more when I don't want to do a normal floating slice drive. and just want to slot the ball all through the court and pronate it through the court using the racquet edge instead. As the low to high swing motion will put the dipping spin on the ball to keep the slice staying in the court. That's why I use it on the low balls to clear them over the netcord and use the normal one on the higher balls.
I always wonder how a straight arm take back vs bent arm take back (Fed/Gasquet) impacts scap retraction. Seems like a straight arm takeback (Thiem/Shapo) results in more pull.
Agreed. I would never correct a bent arm take back, if the student looked comfortable, but do prefer to teach the straight arm take back, because it seems to naturally lead students into a better pull.
Quite a few misunderstandings here. Surprised this has not been pointed out. 1) The upper back muscles could never power a stroke like the one handed backhand. Try hitting a one-hander without any shoulder rotation and see if you can even get the ball to the baseline. A simple band-pull apart exercise would also confirm that there is not a lot of power or leverage in that movement. 2) The main misunderstanding here is that the force comes from the upper back and that the left arm pulls back before contact. What actually happens is that the left hand separates from the racket after the racket drop to stop the shoulder rotation by acting as a counter balance. This helps transfer the rotational energy of the shoulders to forward momentum of the arm and prevents over-rotation (The same exact same effect on the forehand when the off-hand is pulled to the chest to stop the shoulder rotation) 3) The slight movement of the left hand you’re focusing on in the video is not the result of an active backwards pull of the left arm. This is easily confirmed by looking at the angle between the upper left arm and the torso which would increase if the arm was pulled back. Instead the hand drifts slightly away from the body due to rotation and a gradual straightening of the arm in Federes case. After contact the left arm may or may not go all the way back as it counterbalances the right. If you look a the position of the left hand at contact for any pro you’ll see that it is mostly in front of the body. Only after contact does it go back. 4) The "pull slot" you’re referring in this video is much later than the normally accepted pull slot which is just after the racket drop. Essentially you’re trying to time a pull milliseconds before contact, which is a recipe for inconsistency. The fact that this is not happening in the video with any of the pros is easily confirmed by looking at the acceleration of the right hand. If a pull happened just before contact, and any power came from this, you’d see the hand suddenly accelerate from this “pull slot”. Instead what you see is that acceleration starts at the end of the racket drop and progresses smoothly through contact. It is generated primarily by the kinetic chain that starts with hip and shoulder rotation. Many great videos on this out there. I noticed that you don't show any examples of yourself hitting a backhand on your channel (except some stuff at the net). Would be interested to see how you make this concept work.
Actual smart analysis man thanks. What would you think the optimal pull slot would be for someone that has hypermobility in their shoulders probably sooner rather than later than normal?
You can use any wall to find your pull slot. Get into a position that makes sense to you, and see if you can create force through the wall. Adjust your positioning as necessary, until you feel you can really engage your upper back. Experiment with different contact heights and placements, and figure out which are very comfortable, which are doable, and which wouldn't work at all.
@@FaultTolerantTennis I tried this scapular retraction and that queue REALLY works incredibly well. Same with throwing into the slot. Pushing against the wall I think helps a bit for me but it feels uncomfortable pushing there just in general so I can't put full force and test it comfortably.
@@XanEli1 If you've got it, that's awesome. The key with the wall drill is to feel the upper back working, but it's just one technique to help people feel the position. If it's not working for you, just forget it and work on the stuff that feels good.
Good content. But could you also analyze the semi-double / semi-single / 1.5-handed backhand style like Alberto Berasategui? (I wanna get my play better) Thanks.
I believe Roger, Stan, and Theim are all very similar, with the index knuckle on bevel 1, and Gasquet is slightly farther around than that. Fed may be slightly more conservative than bevel 1 as well. If you're on the fence, go with the index knuckle on bevel 1. It's the most natural.
Great analysis. Thank you. I would say Thomas Muster had the strongest "pull" of all time, but unfortunately not as much high res slow motion of him. Muster and Kuerten had the best one handers imo. What i learned from them was NOT to have a space between the first and second finger like all 4 of these players do. No space can give you a 90°angle between the wrist and grip which keeps the racket going forward a little longer and allows for a more stable and stronger contact. Looks like these 4 players are 75°-85°(wrist to grip angle) at contact. If there is no space between first and second finger (which i call the "motorcycle grip"), you have to contact farther in front to square the racket face. You are the first pro i have ever heard mention no space between the first and second finger in your last backhand video. All pros still teach splayed index finger.
@@thomasyoung1588 Interesting - Stan's and Gasquet's index fingers look pretty darn close to me. Maybe slightly splayed, but essentially still using the 90 degree grip. I agree that it's easier to execute the stroke like that, and I prefer teaching it over the splay. Yeah sadly we don't have the older guys in 1080p slow-mo, but it would be great to break down their strokes the same way.
@@FaultTolerantTennis so what is up with fed having that space between the fingers? feel like you have a little less power but your contact point is also further away, guess its a tradeoff?
For most of his career, definitely, but once he switched to the 97 sq in frame, he was able to step in and take the backhand early without sacrificing his consistency. After that, he was right up there with the other three. As flashy as it was, I do think Theim's was technically the "worst" of the four, when each was hitting their best. (In other words, he probably had the 4th best one-hander of this generation). It's tough to say, because each style has different strengths and weaknesses.
6:56 what a great one liner out of context
Very clear, original explanation 👏
Turning your shoulder in preparation pushing with your leg forward twisting your hip getting good contact.
Now directing the ball with spin power and speed . That's how 👍💯
Fantastic video! Thanks
Hey, that's really great illustration. Maybe you can do a video about how they impart more top spin on the one hander. This has to be related to the wrist being loose but very hard to control with the OH
Its all about finding that slot using the racquet's edge, I use that low to high swing motion not just for topspin driving
but also use it for doing my slice drive with to flatten out the ball more when I don't want to do a normal
floating slice drive. and just want to slot the ball all through the court and pronate it through the court using the racquet edge instead. As the low to high swing motion will put the dipping spin on the ball to keep the slice staying in the court. That's why I use it on the low balls to clear them over the netcord and use the normal one on the higher balls.
I always wonder how a straight arm take back vs bent arm take back (Fed/Gasquet) impacts scap retraction. Seems like a straight arm takeback (Thiem/Shapo) results in more pull.
Agreed. I would never correct a bent arm take back, if the student looked comfortable, but do prefer to teach the straight arm take back, because it seems to naturally lead students into a better pull.
Fantastic
Nicolas Almagro super one handed backhand. Analysis would be interesting.
Quite a few misunderstandings here. Surprised this has not been pointed out.
1) The upper back muscles could never power a stroke like the one handed backhand. Try hitting a one-hander without any shoulder rotation and see if you can even get the ball to the baseline. A simple band-pull apart exercise would also confirm that there is not a lot of power or leverage in that movement.
2) The main misunderstanding here is that the force comes from the upper back and that the left arm pulls back before contact. What actually happens is that the left hand separates from the racket after the racket drop to stop the shoulder rotation by acting as a counter balance. This helps transfer the rotational energy of the shoulders to forward momentum of the arm and prevents over-rotation (The same exact same effect on the forehand when the off-hand is pulled to the chest to stop the shoulder rotation)
3) The slight movement of the left hand you’re focusing on in the video is not the result of an active backwards pull of the left arm. This is easily confirmed by looking at the angle between the upper left arm and the torso which would increase if the arm was pulled back. Instead the hand drifts slightly away from the body due to rotation and a gradual straightening of the arm in Federes case. After contact the left arm may or may not go all the way back as it counterbalances the right. If you look a the position of the left hand at contact for any pro you’ll see that it is mostly in front of the body. Only after contact does it go back.
4) The "pull slot" you’re referring in this video is much later than the normally accepted pull slot which is just after the racket drop. Essentially you’re trying to time a pull milliseconds before contact, which is a recipe for inconsistency. The fact that this is not happening in the video with any of the pros is easily confirmed by looking at the acceleration of the right hand. If a pull happened just before contact, and any power came from this, you’d see the hand suddenly accelerate from this “pull slot”. Instead what you see is that acceleration starts at the end of the racket drop and progresses smoothly through contact. It is generated primarily by the kinetic chain that starts with hip and shoulder rotation. Many great videos on this out there.
I noticed that you don't show any examples of yourself hitting a backhand on your channel (except some stuff at the net). Would be interested to see how you make this concept work.
See response on other video.
Actual smart analysis man thanks. What would you think the optimal pull slot would be for someone that has hypermobility in their shoulders probably sooner rather than later than normal?
You can use any wall to find your pull slot. Get into a position that makes sense to you, and see if you can create force through the wall. Adjust your positioning as necessary, until you feel you can really engage your upper back.
Experiment with different contact heights and placements, and figure out which are very comfortable, which are doable, and which wouldn't work at all.
@@FaultTolerantTennis I tried this scapular retraction and that queue REALLY works incredibly well. Same with throwing into the slot. Pushing against the wall I think helps a bit for me but it feels uncomfortable pushing there just in general so I can't put full force and test it comfortably.
@@XanEli1 If you've got it, that's awesome. The key with the wall drill is to feel the upper back working, but it's just one technique to help people feel the position. If it's not working for you, just forget it and work on the stuff that feels good.
10:00 looks a bit wired because he was forced to hit an open stance 1HBH. Great video btw.
Good content. But could you also analyze the semi-double / semi-single / 1.5-handed backhand style like Alberto Berasategui? (I wanna get my play better) Thanks.
Does Theim use a continental grip????
Which grip does each player use???
I believe Roger, Stan, and Theim are all very similar, with the index knuckle on bevel 1, and Gasquet is slightly farther around than that. Fed may be slightly more conservative than bevel 1 as well.
If you're on the fence, go with the index knuckle on bevel 1. It's the most natural.
No.4 Dominic Thiem
Sorry, i answered that b4 the video ended and to simply put it, i love his ohbh, an absolute weapon.
Nailed it!
Great analysis. Thank you. I would say Thomas Muster had the strongest "pull" of all time, but unfortunately not as much high res slow motion of him. Muster and Kuerten had the best one handers imo. What i learned from them was NOT to have a space between the first and second finger like all 4 of these players do. No space can give you a 90°angle between the wrist and grip which keeps the racket going forward a little longer and allows for a more stable and stronger contact. Looks like these 4 players are 75°-85°(wrist to grip angle) at contact. If there is no space between first and second finger (which i call the "motorcycle grip"), you have to contact farther in front to square the racket face. You are the first pro i have ever heard mention no space between the first and second finger in your last backhand video. All pros still teach splayed index finger.
@@thomasyoung1588 Interesting - Stan's and Gasquet's index fingers look pretty darn close to me. Maybe slightly splayed, but essentially still using the 90 degree grip. I agree that it's easier to execute the stroke like that, and I prefer teaching it over the splay. Yeah sadly we don't have the older guys in 1080p slow-mo, but it would be great to break down their strokes the same way.
@@FaultTolerantTennis so what is up with fed having that space between the fingers? feel like you have a little less power but your contact point is also further away, guess its a tradeoff?
Would you say Roger had the weakest of the four????
For most of his career, definitely, but once he switched to the 97 sq in frame, he was able to step in and take the backhand early without sacrificing his consistency. After that, he was right up there with the other three.
As flashy as it was, I do think Theim's was technically the "worst" of the four, when each was hitting their best. (In other words, he probably had the 4th best one-hander of this generation). It's tough to say, because each style has different strengths and weaknesses.
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