Finding Lost Civilizations - An Educational Series - Additional Videos At: www.storiesbyalex.com Trek with me to the ancient Salinan Village of Chuguilim.
I am 70 years old now, but when I was 7, living in King City, my father took us up into that area to look at the old mortars, metates and rock art. This brought back some treasured memories. He was also a big advocate for respecting the site.
@@twofeathers5145 me·ta·te /məˈtätā/ Learn to pronounce noun plural noun: metates (in Central America) a flat or slightly hollowed oblong stone on which materials such as grain and cocoa are ground using a smaller stone. "she ground the corn on a metate"
I just found your channel and have been binging on it every free moment I have. I too am always on a quest to find signs of ancient life and life styles. Thank you for honoring the Sacred and burying the artifacts and not taking them. Namaste'🙏
^_^ Thank You so much for bringing this to us. This is simply NOT "Their History" (meaning these ancient cultures) but it is "OUR" history as we are ALL connected!! It is understanding these connections to the past that sheds light on the present.
Thank you for this video. I grew up in the Monterey Bay for most of my life and I've never even thought to research ancient lost villages. Im sure they have more in Carmel as well.
I greatful you make these videos. As well as explaining that on the west coast the Natives had different challenges than the Eastern Native tribes. Very informative, full of sparks. Outstanding job.✌🏼
I found a perfect arrowhead in the stream from a spring that ran past the back yard where I grew up. I was very excited about it and couldn't wait to find more. The city workers put concrete pipes where the stream was and buried it. No more spring/stream for the kids to explore. Never have found another one and the one That I found, grew legs, forced it's way out of my sock drawer, jumped down and ran out of my room never to bee seen again. I've often wondered who stole that from me.
I also found 2 in a creek outskirts of Salinas. Found them while my fam was clearing land to plant strawberries. 1 was perfect the second was broken from the tip.
OMG! This is so amazing & beautiful! I'm moved to tears & not sure why. I love these stories & walks with you. After watching this I googled "Salinan Tribe" and found a piece on NPR from 2017 that they were applying for federal recognition and that's what they need in order to get their land back. I wonder if your work could help these people?
i was doing a job at santa clara university and one at a new bart station in the Fremont area and before they could break ground they had to have archeologists make sure there were not going to be destroying artifacts and during the excavation process is any artifacts were located they had to stop the dig and allow the archeologists is. this area is so rich in history
Chumash here and I say no to that. Thats how a people and they're history dissappear, by being forgotten by ALL who now live on the land. Make them protected sites that people can visit in manner safe to the public and to the site itself. If the impact to the environment and archeology is to great then yes, close it off. Our history is American history as much as every other person living here now. We're all in this together rather we like it or not.
I was on TDY at this very facility in the early seventies, I really enjoyed walking around the hills and creek beds. Camping was always fun there and I was aware of the native history of the place. The old Mission had a priest that told me many stories about the past and how there used to be many natives long ago. I appreciate your videos a lot!
How interesting, here on my ranch I find these mortars and metates all the time. Can't help but wonder who these people were. And how long ago. Thanks.
Thanks for the ride Alex! Your tips have helped me in the field to identify cultural sites and gain a deeper meaning and appreciation for the past, while preserving the present for future generations. It's always an adventure with you!!
+Indigenous Pathways Thanks for watching - it was an incredible trek. Hopefully, we can make it out to Josua Tree sometime in the near future.........alex
+storiesbyalex I'm heading to Death Valley very soon, so please contact me if you'd like to connect there. Otherwise I look forward to when our paths will cross again!
Hello from Australia Alex, I have just found your channel, subscribed and loving being able to watch your wonderful adventures into our history and learn about other cultures. Thank You for all you share :)
FAscinated by Callfornia's. history..a friend of mine lived in the Gold Rush country off Hwy 49 and below his property was a spring fed stream with a rock outcropping that had mortar holes. The stream flowed over the rock and through. the depressions. Oak trees were all around and I realized that the holes were for baskets full of ground acorns to wash out the acid and. make them edible..it was a kitchen!! This is outside the towm of Murphys CA. Of coure it's now somebodies backyard...wonder if they have a clue..... Great footage Alex, I an exploring your website too
Great video! I am from the area, and I am fascinated with the amount of rich history. I will say my jaw dropped at 26:13 with what appears to be a shadowy figure in the back of the alcove. 😲
Te'po'ta'ahl... as a decendent from the tribe, I became very happy when you left the mortar rock in its place, and i wish for good fortune to fall upon you. Thank you leaving the mortar stone where it belongs! Much love brother! God bless you! May great things come your way.
Alex, why did it take me so.long to discover your channel. Your subject matter, and delving into early California history, has me totally fascinated. As a native Californian, it is an honor to,know more about our state's history...
i've explored a lot in this area and have found tons of points, mortars and more, it's an amazing area. also hunted some nice pigs in the area, it's magical...
Thank-you Alex! This is my first exposure to your video explorations. I am enjoying it and would like to join you some time. I am currently located in Michigan and am surrounded by Native sights and locations where The People have lived. I have not seen anything like what you have there, here in my backyard. I am moving to the Dessert Southwest in 2018 and am looking forward to exploring. Thank-you again for whetting my appetite!
The plant you called loco weed, Datura stramonium, is more commonly known as Jimson-Weed or Mad-Apple. The dosage difference between getting high and getting dead is very small...dangerous stuff. While Jimson-Weed is from the Nightshade family, Loco-Weed or Rattle-Weed, Astragalus leucopsis, is from the pea family and is much smaller. Loco-Weed is usually found south of Santa Barbara.
Hi guys. I am a child care provider and I’m pretty sure that where the women worked they put their babies inside the small caves and some other family members that were old cared for these infants inside the small cave shelters. Next to where the other young women worked the mortars. Also I’m sure that the child care was not just normal without school of the Indian. The petrgraph drawings around the women site were more then likely stories told to children.
Agree with the remark leaving what you discover as is. I know in another region I believe its in kern co. that whole boulder was removed with the ancient paintings. So yes thank you for the respect you have shown these sites and explanations of why not to touch...how destructive our skin oils are to these paintings. Not sure if this was video of that huge 🐍 skin? awesome!!! glad you didn't come across it! Many more safe journeys! 🦊✌️
Hey there Alex I’m currently working very close to the San Antonio mission and I would love to see this site I would be honored if you’d point me in the right direction so I could enjoy it personally thank you so much! Please keep your videos coming I love watching them and learning from your knowledge and wisdom. Thank you again
Cody, that site is presently located in a restricted area. However, there are a series of sites around a place called Wagon Wheel Cave which is at the boundary of Fort Hunter Liggett and the Los Padres. Follow Del Venturi Road which becomes the Indians. To your left you will see a monolithic granite outcrop. There is a cave/shelter with mortars, mortars in the field in front of the cave. Mortars around the south end of the outcrop, and mortars on the top of the outcrop. There is also another village site located further down the road.............alex
Concern when you were kicking Amo boxes. Did you know they were safe beforehand? Other than that very enjoyable and interesting. Always interested in Native history.
They are blanks. The mil would use that area for training. Either way, kicking ancan of live ammo wouldn’t set any thing off. They are designed to be dropped/stable.
Love these vides! I was wondering why they make so many mortars in such close proximity to each other? would they not get in the way of each other or trip over them. How can you tell that they are man made mortars? could some of the smaller ones possibly be naturally made? Is there a way to be able to tell? Thanks :)
My wondering also! Noticed how some are much deeper, maybe stood as they grind??? Lol only come up with corn. Other smaller shallower ones for different nuts n seeds. Wouldn't need all that much space. Maybe moved from one hole to next as material became finer. Well??? Not sure oh well just musings. Have a good one ✌️🦊
@@oreocookies7831I wonder as well... also if you check at 25:22 you will se those same holes on the vertical stone wall and as thet can`t be "mortars" i wonder what`s in the historical narrative about them. i`ve found lots of mortars with what seems like a stone outcrop all around the edge, even in the really big ones, i mean how can the mouth of the mortar be smaller than the inner space??? also i think there is more to know about some of those massive boulders used as caves
Monterey was once a training district for the military. In Salinas, Fort Ord is still open to the public to hike on. It was once used for physical training tge military. You must be around one of tge training grounds
Be careful picking up large bullet slugs. Some may be aka DU rounds, depleted Uranium. DU rounds are repurposed nuclear waste. They were commonly used until soldiers started to get cancer from cleaning the gun barrels. Also sadly, we’ve spent millions of these rounds in conflict zones around the world, especially Eastern Europe. Thanks for your channel and thank you for leaving places as you find them for future generations to enjoy.
I think the stone flacks you are finding a chert. To tell the story of a culture I hope the visitors remember to leave all cultural remains where they are found and not take them home a drop them in a drawer to be forgotten.
Thanks for watching the series. There have been anthropological studies which indicated that grit in food had an effect on teeth wear, but also contributing to tooth wear was phytoliths (silica) from basketry and cordage work, phytoliths from green being consumed in quantity, and crushed bones of small mammals consumed as a calories rich item as part of their diet. See this thesis: online.sfsu.edu/mgriffin/Grant2010.pdf
@@storiesbyalex I understand working of leather with your teeth also wore down teeth. ??? Would these mortors been used on meat too? I know that it was cut into strips n dried.
Do you know if there are any of this race still alive or what happened to them, and what was their lineage indigenous indian mexican or what,thanks for the video.
Thanks for watching and your query. I can give you directions to a nearby site located on Los Padres National Forest. That site is called Wagon Wheel Cave or Wagon Cave. You enter that site via Del Venturi Road on Fort Hunter Liggett which takes you to forest service lands. The boundary is marked and as you enter several hundred feet to your left there is a monolithic granite outcrop. There is a cave with mortars. You will also find mortars along the side and top of the outcrop. The following link will help you to get to that site: www.mountainproject.com/map/105737114/wagon-caves alex
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That fact that you left and buried the items made me respect you immensely. Thank you sir
I am 70 years old now, but when I was 7, living in King City, my father took us up into that area to look at the old mortars, metates and rock art. This brought back some treasured memories. He was also a big advocate for respecting the site.
@@twofeathers5145 Mortars were for grinding acorns into mash.
@@twofeathers5145 me·ta·te
/məˈtätā/
Learn to pronounce
noun
plural noun: metates
(in Central America) a flat or slightly hollowed oblong stone on which materials such as grain and cocoa are ground using a smaller stone.
"she ground the corn on a metate"
@@twofeathers5145 😂No worries.👍🏻
Your videos are way better than anything on Netflix.
I just found your channel and have been binging on it every free moment I have. I too am always on a quest to find signs of ancient life and life styles. Thank you for honoring the Sacred and burying the artifacts and not taking them. Namaste'🙏
Thanks for leaving the artifacts! Both me and my ancestors respect you for doing that.
Wow! Thank you for taking us along Alex! This was wonderful!
I grew up near here. Have you ever been to the Indian Caves in Pine Canyon, probably 10-15 miles from where this was filmed. Truly amazing.
Wow I live in the Santa Cruz mountains and never knew there was so much history write my own backyard
There are grinding stone holes here in Santa Cruz. My nephew found a grinding rock just the other day in Soquel Creek. He has an incredible eye
^_^ Thank You so much for bringing this to us. This is simply NOT "Their History" (meaning these ancient cultures) but it is "OUR" history as we are ALL connected!! It is understanding these connections to the past that sheds light on the present.
Thank you for this video. I grew up in the Monterey Bay for most of my life and I've never even thought to research ancient lost villages. Im sure they have more in Carmel as well.
Thank you Alex! You make it possible for my mom to explore these with you. Totally awesome!!
Thanks for watching..........................alex
I greatful you make these videos.
As well as explaining that on the west coast the Natives had different challenges than the Eastern Native tribes. Very informative, full of sparks.
Outstanding job.✌🏼
I found a perfect arrowhead in the stream from a spring that ran past the back yard where I grew up. I was very excited about it and couldn't wait to find more. The city workers put concrete pipes where the stream was and buried it. No more spring/stream for the kids to explore. Never have found another one and the one That I found, grew legs, forced it's way out of my sock drawer, jumped down and ran out of my room never to bee seen again. I've often wondered who stole that from me.
I also found 2 in a creek outskirts of Salinas. Found them while my fam was clearing land to plant strawberries. 1 was perfect the second was broken from the tip.
That would've been your neighbor "friends" you showed it to. My neighbor "friends" stole every item I valued that they could get their hands on.
I found a small scraper in my backyard a few weeks ago. I carry it in my pocket and feel connected with the people who lived here before
Awesome field trip, thank you.
Alex, I love your enthusiasms for Native American culture, and share it!
OMG! This is so amazing & beautiful! I'm moved to tears & not sure why. I love these stories & walks with you. After watching this I googled "Salinan Tribe" and found a piece on NPR from 2017 that they were applying for federal recognition and that's what they need in order to get their land back. I wonder if your work could help these people?
i was doing a job at santa clara university and one at a new bart station in the Fremont area and before they could break ground they had to have archeologists make sure there were not going to be destroying artifacts and during the excavation process is any artifacts were located they had to stop the dig and allow the archeologists is. this area is so rich in history
Thank you for your respect. Chumash here.. we must preserve scared site's. No visitors please.
Chumash here and I say no to that. Thats how a people and they're history dissappear, by being forgotten by ALL who now live on the land. Make them protected sites that people can visit in manner safe to the public and to the site itself. If the impact to the environment and archeology is to great then yes, close it off. Our history is American history as much as every other person living here now. We're all in this together rather we like it or not.
Lol
I was on TDY at this very facility in the early seventies, I really enjoyed walking around the hills and creek beds. Camping was always fun there and I was aware of the native history of the place. The old Mission had a priest that told me many stories about the past and how there used to be many natives long ago. I appreciate your videos a lot!
Very moving. Something about these sites seems very sad. Thank you for keeping these people and places alive with your videos.
How interesting, here on my ranch I find these mortars and metates all the time. Can't help but wonder who these people were. And how long ago. Thanks.
Sounds as though you need to reach out to @storiesbyalex ....
Thanks for the ride Alex! Your tips have helped me in the field to identify cultural sites and gain a deeper meaning and appreciation for the past, while preserving the present for future generations. It's always an adventure with you!!
+Indigenous Pathways Thanks for watching - it was an incredible trek. Hopefully, we can make it out to Josua Tree sometime in the near future.........alex
+storiesbyalex I'm heading to Death Valley very soon, so please contact me if you'd like to connect there. Otherwise I look forward to when our paths will cross again!
So interesting. Thanks for sharing brother be safe out there!
I love your passion for history. Rock on man..
Hello from Australia Alex, I have just found your channel, subscribed and loving being able to watch your wonderful adventures into our history and learn about other cultures. Thank You for all you share :)
Wow awesome 👍 great job love how you leave there stuff left undisturbed
very awesome Alex! thanks for taking us and leaving the artifacts to the site!
+Zack Hansen Zack, thanks for watching.....alex
Alex, thanks for another great experience!
+Brad Heckman Hey Brad, thanks for watching.......alex
FAscinated by Callfornia's. history..a friend of mine lived in the Gold Rush country off Hwy 49 and below his property was a spring fed stream with a rock outcropping that had mortar holes. The stream flowed over the rock and through. the depressions. Oak trees were all around and I realized that the holes were for baskets full of ground acorns to wash out the acid and. make them edible..it was a kitchen!! This is outside the towm of Murphys CA. Of coure it's now somebodies backyard...wonder if they have a clue..... Great footage Alex, I an exploring your website too
Pretty cool how the people just knew about the use of river beds such. Thanks for sharing your knowledge ✌️
Great video! I am from the area, and I am fascinated with the amount of rich history. I will say my jaw dropped at 26:13 with what appears to be a shadowy figure in the back of the alcove. 😲
awsome love it mr alex
Te'po'ta'ahl... as a decendent from the tribe, I became very happy when you left the mortar rock in its place, and i wish for good fortune to fall upon you. Thank you leaving the mortar stone where it belongs! Much love brother! God bless you! May great things come your way.
Jo, thanks for watching and your kind words.........................alex
The pounder still sitting in the mortar where one of these ancient people left it is mind blowing!
I love your respect for the sites. Thanks for this interesting video.
I have been FACINATED with your channel!
WOW!
Thanks for what you do sir.
Cant believe you buried that point
Love your videos very knowledgeable I cannot wait to see some of it myself
My grandfather was actually stationed in Monterey after the war, before retiring after his 40 years in service
Vietnam war btw
9:28 looks to be spear point that wasn’t finished. Maybe it didn’t map the way they wanted and they threw it down to start a new one.
Very inspiring and informative!! :)
Alex, why did it take me so.long to discover your channel. Your subject matter, and delving into early California history, has me totally fascinated. As a native Californian, it is an honor to,know more about our state's history...
Thanks for watching and your kind words.................alex
I found a old map with that name on it . thanks for the video appreciate you.
You are a great dude brother!!!!!
I like your style. Really enjoy your videos.
Thanks for the kid words......................alex
i've explored a lot in this area and have found tons of points, mortars and more, it's an amazing area. also hunted some nice pigs in the area, it's magical...
Glad that you sound bias. Thanks for what you do.
You can find mortar sites on the Consumnes River in the Sierra Foothills.
Thanks a lot from turkey
Thank-you Alex! This is my first exposure to your video explorations. I am enjoying it and would like to join you some time. I am currently located in Michigan and am surrounded by Native sights and locations where The People have lived. I have not seen anything like what you have there, here in my backyard. I am moving to the Dessert Southwest in 2018 and am looking forward to exploring. Thank-you again for whetting my appetite!
I like to see his perspective on Nevada’s Lovelock Cave.
Thank you sir.
Wow that was an awesome area
+tuledude89 Hey Tuledude, yes that site was incredible.. Thanks for watching......alex
I love this
awesome video!
+MrAzwood Thanks for watching......alex
The plant you called loco weed, Datura stramonium, is more commonly known as Jimson-Weed or Mad-Apple. The dosage difference between getting high and getting dead is very small...dangerous stuff. While Jimson-Weed is from the Nightshade family, Loco-Weed or Rattle-Weed, Astragalus leucopsis, is from the pea family and is much smaller. Loco-Weed is usually found south of Santa Barbara.
Interesting, thankyou
great history, thank you. i think the black lines that crisscross each other represent fishing nets used in the coastal waters
Have you ever explored the indigenous art and stone arch near the Church Creek Ranch ?
Jimsen weed, chimona in my language. Great video. Thx
Hi Alex great info
. Love this background rhythm. Xavier Quijas. Right.?
thank you
Hi guys. I am a child care provider and I’m pretty sure that where the women worked they put their babies inside the small caves and some other family members that were old cared for these infants inside the small cave shelters. Next to where the other young women worked the mortars. Also I’m sure that the child care was not just normal without school of the Indian. The petrgraph drawings around the women site were more then likely stories told to children.
Proud to be a a SALINAN en 'ne sen. Te'po'ta'ahl
Agree with the remark leaving what you discover as is. I know in another region I believe its in kern co. that whole boulder was removed with the ancient paintings. So yes thank you for the respect you have shown these sites and explanations of why not to touch...how destructive our skin oils are to these paintings. Not sure if this was video of that huge 🐍 skin? awesome!!! glad you didn't come across it! Many more safe journeys! 🦊✌️
This is awesome. Is this all private land? I'd love to hike something like this
A lot of the mortar sites here in Amador County. Many of those in your video appear to be fresh
you mean you think the holes were made recently? I was wondeing how they were made and what they ground in them and why so many in one area.
nice sites...
i am curious why i the same area or rock there will be many holes used for grinding. I cant thank you enough for sharing your trips to explore.
I was told by archaeologists that bedrock mortars were where women of the band gathered together to talk while working, grinding seeds, nuts
Damn the Friars!
Hey there Alex I’m currently working very close to the San Antonio mission and I would love to see this site I would be honored if you’d point me in the right direction so I could enjoy it personally thank you so much! Please keep your videos coming I love watching them and learning from your knowledge and wisdom.
Thank you again
Cody, that site is presently located in a restricted area. However, there are a series of sites around a place called Wagon Wheel Cave which is at the boundary of Fort Hunter Liggett and the Los Padres. Follow Del Venturi Road which becomes the Indians. To your left you will see a monolithic granite outcrop. There is a cave/shelter with mortars, mortars in the field in front of the cave. Mortars around the south end of the outcrop, and mortars on the top of the outcrop. There is also another village site located further down the road.............alex
Alex where exactly is this video taken?
the small ones are seasoning grinder ?
Amo boxes probably from Fort Hunter Liggett very close to that site
Concern when you were kicking Amo boxes. Did you know they were safe beforehand?
Other than that very enjoyable and interesting. Always interested in Native history.
They are blanks. The mil would use that area for training. Either way, kicking ancan of live ammo wouldn’t set any thing off. They are designed to be dropped/stable.
Love these vides!
I was wondering why they make so many mortars in such close proximity to each other? would they not get in the way of each other or trip over them.
How can you tell that they are man made mortars? could some of the smaller ones possibly be naturally made? Is there a way to be able to tell?
Thanks :)
My wondering also! Noticed how some are much deeper, maybe stood as they grind??? Lol only come up with corn. Other smaller shallower ones for different nuts n seeds. Wouldn't need all that much space. Maybe moved from one hole to next as material became finer. Well??? Not sure oh well just musings. Have a good one ✌️🦊
@@oreocookies7831I wonder as well... also if you check at 25:22 you will se those same holes on the vertical stone wall and as thet can`t be "mortars" i wonder what`s in the historical narrative about them.
i`ve found lots of mortars with what seems like a stone outcrop all around the edge, even in the really big ones, i mean how can the mouth of the mortar be smaller than the inner space??? also i think there is more to know about some of those massive boulders used as caves
I believe the 7.62X51 blanks and ammo can are for an M-60 or a Browning 1919 machine gun.
Monterey was once a training district for the military. In Salinas, Fort Ord is still open to the public to hike on. It was once used for physical training tge military. You must be around one of tge training grounds
The military fort referenced in this video is Fort Hunter-Liggett, established in 1940. Mission San Antonio de Padua is located there.
M1919 training blanks from not later than the Korean War era when that light machine gun was phased out
Be careful picking up large bullet slugs. Some may be aka DU rounds, depleted Uranium. DU rounds are repurposed nuclear waste. They were commonly used until soldiers started to get cancer from cleaning the gun barrels. Also sadly, we’ve spent millions of these rounds in conflict zones around the world, especially Eastern Europe. Thanks for your channel and thank you for leaving places as you find them for future generations to enjoy.
Thank you for your, web site.
The dark black you a seeing in the small caves looks like soot from ancient cooking fires.
Hey bud. Should have measured the lichen grown on that petal. You could get close to a date it was last handled.
Show us some more mortars.😂
But seriously, very enjoyable and fascinating.
the ammo is blank rounds ,maybe the m-60 ,308
Could you imagine!!!,
You are infact the real Indiana Jones
The boulder with the holes in it is a Matot.
I think the stone flacks you are finding a chert. To tell the story of a culture I hope the visitors remember to leave all cultural remains where they are found and not take them home a drop them in a drawer to be forgotten.
Do you think that grinding acorns this way would mean that they must have ingested granite with their ground meal?
Thanks for watching the series. There have been anthropological studies which indicated that grit in food had an effect on teeth wear, but also contributing to tooth wear was phytoliths (silica) from basketry and cordage work, phytoliths from green being consumed in quantity, and crushed bones of small mammals consumed as a calories rich item as part of their diet. See this thesis: online.sfsu.edu/mgriffin/Grant2010.pdf
@@storiesbyalex I understand working of leather with your teeth also wore down teeth. ??? Would these mortors been used on meat too? I know that it was cut into strips n dried.
@@oreocookies7831 small game such as a wood rat would have been grilled whole and then with fur removed crushed into something like a pâté
How did they make the motors
Hello, thanks for watching the video. The mortars we made by pounding hard stone against a softer stone..........alex
the larger pits were cooking bowls. hot stones would be dropped and cook a stew, or soup.
Margil, thanks for watching and your comment.....................alex
When you are looking for the snake before you get really close I see a petroglyph two stones on the right.
Do you know if there are any of this race still alive or what happened to them, and what was their lineage indigenous indian mexican or what,thanks for the video.
My boyfriend is Salinan & they are alive & well!
Datura is also good at causing fatal liver damage to the unindoctrinated
Pristine and wonderous , as God created it . As the native. People left it .
@Whoop!
Can you give us a gps location would like to visit with my kids found some motor in pardie lake
Thanks for watching and your query. I can give you directions to a nearby site located on Los Padres National Forest. That site is called Wagon Wheel Cave or Wagon Cave. You enter that site via Del Venturi Road on Fort Hunter Liggett which takes you to forest service lands. The boundary is marked and as you enter several hundred feet to your left there is a monolithic granite outcrop. There is a cave with mortars. You will also find mortars along the side and top of the outcrop. The following link will help you to get to that site: www.mountainproject.com/map/105737114/wagon-caves
alex
Why all the mortars what were they grinding in that climate I’m sure there was no wheat growing
From what I learned growing up in this area Acorns were a major part of the indigenous peoples diet
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