What's Tiree like? Join me on an island wander before my flight home onboard a Loganair Twin Otter!

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    I had approximately 4 hours on Tiree before my flight home, so join me on a wee walk around followed by my return flight Tiree to Glasgow in the back seat of a fabulous Twin Otter.
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  • @donaldpatrick9886
    @donaldpatrick9886 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    One of your earlier videos Steve but loved watching again.

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hey thanks so much for diving into the archive!

  • @bradwilliams4919
    @bradwilliams4919 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing! This is great to watch, Ty!

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad you enjoyed it Brad, thanks so much!

  • @andrewdolinskiatcarpathian
    @andrewdolinskiatcarpathian 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    If only Loganair had its own mini airport and “wee” terminal somewhere in the Scottish Central Belt. Thank you Steve for taking us along to see Tiree and the flight home. 👍😎

  • @christinehodge3608
    @christinehodge3608 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very interesting and a lovely video, the island is so pretty with the flowers and the highland cattle, lovely paddle in the sea,

    • @christinehodge3608
      @christinehodge3608 ปีที่แล้ว

      You are not the only person lol.that likes a Paddle.l like a paddle in the Sea .

  • @sandraholmes7002
    @sandraholmes7002 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    A beautiful island, and a really relaxing video to watch. Many thanks for making these wonderful videos.

  • @ampersand.
    @ampersand. 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Fantastic - I could practically smell all that wonderful clean island air! Delicious :D
    Oh, and more Hairy Coos when you can, please ...

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      amper sand thanks for watching! Oh it was so nice there, you’re spot on! I’ll track down some more hairy coos, I guarantee it :)

  • @gilscot100
    @gilscot100 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi Steve. Having been watching your more recent videos for a few months and am now dipping back into the older ones. Especially the flights to the islands. My father was an RAF pilot who had to leave the service due to ill health. In civilian life he worked with the Air Registration Board which in the early 1970s became the CAA. He and his team (offices by the way at Saughton) were responsible for the establishment of all the small airfields on the islands. In those days some were grass strips where the farmer had to get the sheep off before the plane could land. He would hire boats to take him over to an island until an airfield was official and planes could land. Sadly he died when I was 17 from his 3rd heart attack. He and my mother were in the stands watching Scotland play Ireland at Murrayfield. He loved his rugby so not a bad place to leave the earth. Watching your videos and seeing all the islands he visited is so joyful for me. Life took me to Northern California where I have lived for 27 years. I was back home earlier this year and for the first time took the tram from Edinburgh Airport into the city - right past the buildings where his office was, and also right past Murrayfield. Thank you Steve for such enjoyable videos and for sharing them.

  • @TravelTouristVideos
    @TravelTouristVideos 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Some amazing views- great video. Thank you!

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks so much for watching, glad you enjoyed it! :)

  • @dillon1345
    @dillon1345 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i cycled up that path to air station
    what a cycle

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You’re a legend!!! I could barely walk it!

  • @hughrainbird43
    @hughrainbird43 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Having had its first commercial flights from Glasgow in 1938, the airfield was an important Coastal Command base during World War 2 with aircraft of a number of types (mostly 4-engined) being used on maritime patrols, air-sea rescue, and the vital meteorological flights far out over the Atlantic, in all weathers, which led to quite a high number of losses for non-combat flights. The island must have been more active than than at any time in its existence.

  • @DavidandShirley
    @DavidandShirley 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What a stunningly beautiful island

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh it really is - I intend to go back with the bike to cover more ground!

  • @georgegraham3342
    @georgegraham3342 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Greetings from Australia. Thanks Steve for putting this up. I recall visiting Tiree twice as a small boy in the 1950’s. The travelling shop - a small van with grocery essentials - was a highlight of the farm stay, as were the long walks across the island.

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sounds wonderful, although I bet it hasn’t changed much since then :) all the best to you and thanks for getting in touch :)

  • @andyrob3259
    @andyrob3259 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Here in Australia we call small little swarms of bugs, particularly in summer that appears from No where and then disappears again - Migees. Obviously a carry over of our English /Scottish/Irish heritage.

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cool info Andy! Cheers!

  • @SX1000ninja
    @SX1000ninja 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    In 1988 I travelled with the military to Tiree and we spent just over a week on a exercise. Where the radar station is and at the foot of the hill we spent a few nights with a lovely elderly couple who allowed the 3 of us to sleep and rest in the attached outbuildings. It was a truly memorable week on Tiree. Thanks for the upload 🙏🏽

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Amazing! And the locals are very kind people :)

  • @Mark-on2mt
    @Mark-on2mt 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Good watch 👍

  • @johnjones8572
    @johnjones8572 ปีที่แล้ว

    DVSA used to fly my team and myself to allow candidates to sit part one driving test. Housed in the Lodge Hotel with the lovely Fiona, manager, looking after us.

  • @CanuckJim
    @CanuckJim 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow - I checked, to be sure, but a number of Tiree emigrants ended up in the part of Nova Scotia where I was born. I know they may not have arrived in the best of circumstances but there are many areas of the province that would have reminded them of home.

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      CanuckJim cheers for checking Jim, a very interesting history there. And of course thanks for watching :)

  • @henkdeblouw4169
    @henkdeblouw4169 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At 7:58 - Eilean Dubh Mòr. Top video Steve!

  • @jameswallis1356
    @jameswallis1356 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    you could cach the ferry from oban

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  ปีที่แล้ว

      I did a video of just that going to Coll, the Tiree ferry is high on the list.

  • @ginapilkington3204
    @ginapilkington3204 ปีที่แล้ว

    Shout out to my besty Cousin Dolina who lives on Tiree. Luv ya girl 💕

  • @Thomas-cp6qe
    @Thomas-cp6qe 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks Steve. Another one for my places to visit list. Like the idea of tent astronomy.

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thomas yeah, but what are my chances of getting a clear night 😬 Guaranteed it would be cloud gazing with Steve!

  • @alicja4139
    @alicja4139 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Stunning views! Good to see You sooo smiley on this trip!
    (Hairy Coos-my biggest fear🐄🐂)😂

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Alicja hehe they can attack at any moment 🤣

  • @munnjean
    @munnjean 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Really enjoyed that wee trip to Tiree ,, nice video again Steve ,,

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      munnjean aww thanks very much! :)

  • @johnjones8572
    @johnjones8572 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'd move there sell our house in a heartbeat, but the prices

  • @williamkerr520
    @williamkerr520 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Does anyone know Anne Patterson from tiree .

  • @malahammer
    @malahammer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As always, you could easily be wandering around the west coast of Ireland! Striking similarities.....apart from the hairy bull.

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh I'd love to get over there and compare for myself :)

  • @newfyboy
    @newfyboy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another great video Steve....looks like a really nice place to explore. The scenery would remind me a lot of Newfoundland also. Of course, another fun flight in the Twin Otter!

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bob Hudson cheers! I had that same feeling about Newfoundland!

  • @t-dawg5813
    @t-dawg5813 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for taking us to the beach! What gorgeous scenery. I never knew the pilot had to hold onto the “oh Jesus bar” (that’s what we call the handle above the window in a car 😂) all flight, do you you know what it is for? I know nothing about flying!

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      T-Dawg haha cheers! Believe it or not, on this airplane that’s the throttle up there, so I’m glad he kept a good hold :) thanks for watching :)

  • @ZL54JK8
    @ZL54JK8 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you Steve for this opportunity to visit Tiree. I've been to Islay once or twice and that was wonderful but never thought I would get to see Tiree. So a real treat for me, and what great photography too! Islay of course is famed for its whisky but I don't think Tiree produces any. Maybe that's a reason to live on Islay rather than Tiree?

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Haha maybe! Thanks for watching and so glad you enjoyed the journey :) Love Islay, but prefer Jura whisky ;)

  • @johnjones8572
    @johnjones8572 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another great video. Lottery comes up I’m buying Atlantic House

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  ปีที่แล้ว

      I'll fight you for it! :)

  • @ianburnett1980
    @ianburnett1980 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great videos. Just as good as your Barra flight videos. Bringing the remote islands of Scotland to the world. Well done.

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ian Burnett thanks so much for the support! I’ll try to get to some other islands soon! Thank you :)

  • @jgroneng
    @jgroneng 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Stunning views! Superb video! As soon as the covid is gone you will find me on this beach :) Keep up the good work Steve!

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      jgroneng thanks so much for that! :) hope you’re doing well and get to that beach soon!

  • @ukbearsd
    @ukbearsd 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks Steve for another great video. Looks like Tiree is a beautiful, peaceful place to vist in the Highlands of Scotland. Thanks for sharing. Great views and great commentary!

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cheers! Beautiful place, and definitely worth a visit to the neighbouring island of Coll too!

  • @christophertwomey3889
    @christophertwomey3889 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i could very easily live there, you never know the population might go up by one.

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Haha I know what you mean, it’s all very tempting!

  • @tacodias
    @tacodias 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    No midgies?! Booking the flight straight away!

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They found me on Coll though! ;)

  • @janetturner7489
    @janetturner7489 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Loved the hairy locals! I'd want to stay there for a few days. I have read of a museum there which includes the building of the lighthouse. Those stunning white beaches.......

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Me too! :) I’ll take the ferry next time with my bike I think.

  • @AJ-Themes-for-Great-Cities
    @AJ-Themes-for-Great-Cities 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Island you struggled with is Eilean Dubh Mor, part of the slate islands.

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ohhh interesting thanks! I’ll need to watch again as I’ve since been to Easdale!

  • @cybergal99
    @cybergal99 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another fun one Steve .. I LOVED the scenery on the way home! Can you bring a bicycle on a Twin Otter?

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ann McDermott aww cheers! It goes so slow you could practically strap one to the outside, but no, I think the cargo bays are too small, unless maybe a fold up!

  • @billnict1
    @billnict1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent video! Thanks for sharing!

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bill Thompson thanks so much! :)

  • @docjeano734
    @docjeano734 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm so glad you posted Tiree. I went there in 2009. It's where my MacLean ancestors are originally from. Now, they all live in the Glasgow area. My greatgrandfather MacLean came to America!!!!

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It must be incredible to visit an ancestral home! Wow!

    • @docjeano734
      @docjeano734 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@steve-marsh It was magical to walk on soil that perhaps my ancestors did hundreds of years ago.

  • @harrybond9282
    @harrybond9282 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello Steve Excellent video we enjoyed as much as you. Looking forward for another video where you stayed overnight and do bit sight seeing locally.

  • @marymannix3482
    @marymannix3482 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Beautiful 😍

  • @RebMordechaiReviews
    @RebMordechaiReviews 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It took me an hour examining the flight path and all the islands in Google maps, using their rotation function, to finally find Eilean Dubh Mòr at 7:54, only to see someone else had found it already below in the comments. Oh well. Lovely video.

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ahh thanks so much though! You still did better than me :)

    • @malahammer
      @malahammer 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@steve-marsh There's me thinking it was a distorted UK and Ireland with bits missing :(

  • @williehannon9306
    @williehannon9306 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great trip from Glasgow. Thanks

  • @jimmcintosh9045
    @jimmcintosh9045 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love having a paddle in the summer sea. Very relaxing.

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jim McIntosh I wish I had my kayak there with me!

  • @myrabenson1603
    @myrabenson1603 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video Tiree is on the shipping forecast isn't it 😳

  • @torquilmacleod2577
    @torquilmacleod2577 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    7:55 could be staffa with fingal’s cave
    Correction it Eilean Dubh Mòr

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ahh thanks so much! (Oh and really want to get to Staffa sometime!)

  • @roroger2402
    @roroger2402 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Smashing video Steve, Tiree looks beautiful. Cheers

  • @robertdavenport1109
    @robertdavenport1109 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice job.

  • @andrewaway
    @andrewaway 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video. Thanks.

  • @theflyingadventures
    @theflyingadventures 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video, I love Scotland, all the places are located so remotely there!

  • @beagle7622
    @beagle7622 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did you go to Wilson’s Promontory in Southern Victoria, Australia, Beautiful undeveloped place.

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’ve only been there via Google! Looks spectacular, would love to get the chance to visit one day!

  • @vivellasmum
    @vivellasmum ปีที่แล้ว

    Another fab trip out for me! Thanks

  • @georgebeale-pratt3046
    @georgebeale-pratt3046 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Steve, found your channel last week and basically completed it! Really great content. This video makes me think it would be great to see a video on the Hebridean Air Services flights from Oban. Keep it up!

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks so much George! Welcome aboard and thanks so much for making your way through the videos, more to come soon I hope! All the best.

  • @nycflyertravel
    @nycflyertravel 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful scenery! Although I reckon the water must have been pretty cold 🥶

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Let’s just say it woke me up a little :)

  • @Wrtp.
    @Wrtp. 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tiree looks a lovely we island.I take it there is no pubs on the island.🍺🍺👍

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think there maybe is, but I need to explore more - was on Papa Westray this week and they have a pub open on a Saturday for a few hours only :) (unfortunately we were there on a Monday!)

  • @jackharrison6771
    @jackharrison6771 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    THOUGHTS OF SCOTLAND. ©
    The little Otter of Logan Air;
    brings people together, from everywhere.
    Spreading her wings across runways of sand;
    back to Glasgow, O'er isle and Highland.
    I've travelled Scotland from glen to glen;
    for how many miles I just dinnae ken.
    from the town of Wick, to bonnie Skye;
    I'd always go back, though I cannot say why.
    There's plenty of places I've still yet to see;
    from the tower of Bell Rock,
    to Skerryvore, and the western sea.
    Ancient it is, the land of the Picts;
    an independent land, said the Arbroth edict.
    A war-like nation, fierce and proud;
    "Oh hail Macbeth", cried the witches aloud.
    The clans they arose in 1745;
    they battled the English, to keep freedom alive.
    But they fell at Culloden, just South of the firth;
    and the English had buried them,
    returned to the Earth.
    And yet they continue, to invade from the South;
    to visit the tweed, from its source to the mouth.
    An army of tourists, but no war do they make;
    returning with treasure, of haggis and Dundee Cake.
    BY JACK D. HARRISON.
    13 NOVEMBER-2020.

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wonderful! I’ll pin this epic reply :) thanks so much

    • @jackharrison6771
      @jackharrison6771 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@steve-marsh Thanks steve, glad you liked it.

  • @adrianclarke5377
    @adrianclarke5377 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic videos. Really capture the thrill of a spontaneous day trip.

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cheers for the comments and for watching Adrian!

  • @assassinjane
    @assassinjane 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ahoy Steve! :D Marvellous shot, man! Loved the island, the shore, the cute animals all around wandering free, and especially the wee glimpse of the flight! My bucket list has a pilot license on it, now you put me back on that horse, aye! :D

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Take me on a flight once you get the license please! 🙏

    • @assassinjane
      @assassinjane 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@steve-marsh Roger that ☺️

  • @janeconnors1807
    @janeconnors1807 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How beautiful

  • @peterscandlyn
    @peterscandlyn 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Liked those cows wearing handle bars! Looked like a friendly native too. Loganair still around or become a victim?

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Still around, but I’m still waiting for £160 refund from them since March!

    • @peterscandlyn
      @peterscandlyn 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@steve-marsh Hmm..

  • @kayaker9912
    @kayaker9912 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ahhhh, so that is where my kayak ended up! Gorgeous place, would love to go see this one! Thank you!

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Haha love it :D

    • @kayaker9912
      @kayaker9912 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@steve-marsh, but I wonder if my lunch is still in there?!!?!? Cheers!

  • @gracesmith6199
    @gracesmith6199 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I hope you don't mind me asking , I don't mean to be cheeky but why are you flying about when
    there's a pandemic on Steve ?

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Grace, no problem asking! I went here when things were eased and the Scottish Government was actively encouraging travel again. That window didn’t last long, and I always follow the guidance and have cabin fever once again stuck at home, but hopefully the summer will bring better news.

    • @hanszilligen4506
      @hanszilligen4506 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@steve-marsh Enjoyed your video Steve and your walk about , I live on Vancouver Island Canada, how long is the flight from Tiree to Glasgow?

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hanszilligen4506 Cheers! The wee (Canadian!) Twin Otter covers the approx 170km in around 40 minutes :)

  • @bernicebest
    @bernicebest 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow! What a stunning wee island to call home, such breathtaking views, all the hairy locals of the four legged kind looked very contented, as I imagine the local population will be, fancy waking up to those magnificent vistas every morning, that is my idea of heaven! thank you Steve for sharing this relaxing tour, plus an enjoyable short flight back to Glasgow passing over all those tiny Islands! Just fantastic!👌

    • @GalwayGirl1
      @GalwayGirl1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello my dear Bernice. Again you recommended a great channel to me. Thank you. Very nice and informative videos of Steve's travels and little adventures. I really enjoy it. I wish you a happy Easter. It's great that you're there. Nice time for you. I have to move on at Steve's channel..... 🙋‍♀️😊

    • @bernicebest
      @bernicebest 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi, there, pleased you are enjoying Steve’s tours, I have been on one or two now, all very Informative, it’s like going back through the stones in my case as it is all so long ago now, keep me informed lovely lady, have a nice Easter 🐣 both of you, 🤗🥰👋

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks so much all! Hope you had a lovely Easter!

    • @bernicebest
      @bernicebest 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lovely thank you Steve, and you! 👌🤗🐣👋

    • @GalwayGirl1
      @GalwayGirl1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bernicebest Oh a new profile picture. What a lovely lady you are. Just like I imagined you would be. A beautiful English Rose with dignity and a charming smile. 🌹

  • @auldfouter8661
    @auldfouter8661 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The father of my vet on the farm , was from Tiree and the vet talked a lot about the island , he spent summer holidays there as his mother retired to Tiree and also his son loved to windsurf so spent summers with his granny on the island. Great to see views of it. We also had a milk recorder in the late 1970s and 1980s who was from Tiree and it took her all day to go home from Ayrshire ( up to Glasgow , then Oban and a 4 hr sail to Tiree) , she could only go home about once in 6 or 8 weeks.

  • @desbrittain9952
    @desbrittain9952 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video....sad to see all the passengers wearing those stupid masks.

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh I know eh? I had some longer trips planned too, but can’t imagine keeping a mask on for hours on end so they can wait!