Brilliant clip m8. Thank you so much. You have a wonderful way about you, explaining something, which to some people is extremely simple, but to others, extremely difficult, and daunting. ! Cheers from N.Z. Bill.
You are a life saver! I was so close to thinking i got a defective unit and your guide was excellent and very easy to understand. Thank you so much for making this!;
Very clear instructions coming from a more oldskool user it blows my mind how fast the newer drives are. I miss the clicking of an old hard drive though.
Would have been nice to talk about what BIOS changes are necessary for compatibility because you quickly gloss over that without any detail. For this drive to be bootable, your BIOS has to find this card as a UEFI bootable device. In some cases, you might need to enable PCI-e bifurcation (which is basically just splitting the PCIe lanes for read and write). Most importantly, you'll need to be sure that your CPU has enough PCIe lanes available to access this disk. A dual GPU or high-end GPU might be taking most. It doesn't matter how many PCIe slots your motherboard has, most commonly the CPU does not have the lanes to address all of them.
Thank you excellent video on clearly showing me. How things work with the adapter. I was little confused at 1st but after watching your video. I understand now one goes for SSDM. 2 and anyone goes to the Sarah connector which is like a regular SSD hard drive
The screw and standoff for the SSD are not screwed down correctly. There should be a gap between the SSD and the surface of the underlying PCB. This standoff should stick through the hole loosely and the half hole of the SSD should seat against the standoff and screw. The socket spring tension will keep the shoulder of the standoff in contact with the underlying PCB. They didn't just include a nut instead of the standoff for this reason.
Thank you so much for another amazing. Two suggestions that would be very helpful. Enlarge the arrow pointer to the next size up. It's hard to follow where you're at on the screen with a tiny pointer. Secondly if you could zoom in on the screen at all times it would be a tremendous help to everyone watching. We're not sitting in front of your screen so making out where you're at and exactly what the screen says is very hard to see. A very common thing in computer instructional video on TH-cam. Content creators think we're sitting in front of the screen like they are when we're looking at a screen 5 times smaller to try to see what you're doing. I say this specifically because I'm watching your videos on my phone to learn and I'm trying so hard to follow the arrow that I Miss what you're teaching
Sure thing. You've made excellent points. I do exactly what you've suggested on my new videos. 😁I think most people don't do it because it's time consuming... but for the past 2 years I've been doing exactly that because it does make a huuuge difference. I've only realized that after my youtube analytics told me that more than 50% people watch my tutorials on a smartphone.
I think you might be confusing people with the way you referred to PCIe slots. There are four different PCI Express slot types. They can be differentiated by their physical size. PCI Express cards use the x1, x4, x8 and x16 sizes, which reflect how many individual data connector lanes the card supports. The number following the "x" in the name is mathematically relevant to the size of the card connector. For example: a x8 slot is twice the size of a x4 slot, and a x16 slot is four times as large as a x4 slot. The color of the slot is manufacturer dependent and is not consistent across all computers. In terms of PCIe speed, there are five PCIe versions with increasing levels of throughput from 1 to 5. The PCIe controller will throttle down to match the speed of the card if it is less than the speed of the slot.
I could find my M.2 NMVe drive on my system until I've tried what you had suggested to do. What a suprise and how fast. I've made a copy of a large file on the NMVe "drive" with 970 mb/s. Yes, 970 Mb/s. That's really stupid awesome. Thanks for this tip and thumps up off course. I'm gonna use it for video rendering which thake so much time. even on a "normal" ssd. Now I know how to get these "drives" installed i will purchase another one for installing windows on it. ;-)
Sure thing. I have a more recent video comparing the speeds of M.2 vs SATA SSD vs SATA magnetic HD th-cam.com/video/k5-CLHM8VxE/w-d-xo.html I found a bit surprising results which I would like to hear your opinion about.
@@Cobuman Your comparison video is great, however, there are a few factors that need to be addressed. Your speed test starts with a 500 gig sata ssd. Then you go to the 250 m.2. The reason your speeds are so close together on those 2 drives are a fact of TBW which you can look at as, say the cashe. You noticed how both started out fast and then slowed down a little, that's because the 500 drive has a longer TBW than the 250. Each drive has a tbw or total bytes written threshold. the biger the tbw the longer the drive will hold that transfer rate b4 slowing down.even though the 5000 gig is a sata interface, it still has a larger tbw. thats why the speeds were relatively close in time. I am using a Pcie adapter with my 1tb m.2. I am also going to migrate my OS to that drive after cleaning up a bit. Thanks for the info in both videos. Nice work on the comparison. Keep up the great work.
On your close-up, the white PCI slot ALSO says X1 PCI (aka PCIe X1), just like your smaller format black ones. So, you are actually only running your PCIeX4 card at PCIe-X1 speeds. So, you should see even more speed if you have a proper spec PCIe-X4 slot to perform these steps on.
hey, i'm looking to install an m.2 in a ten year old pc, i recently installed a 1050ti but it would only work (???) on the top pcie slot, which is pcie 3.0..... way outta my depth here. if i get an m.2 will it also want to use the top slot? i have two larger slots and two smaller ones (? sound cards etc?) i vaguely remember there being a problem with some m.2's in older systems but i forget what it was and what i should buy instead. any info tips to help jog my memory as to the right m.2 and also any info on why my 1050ti would only work in top slot and if that affects installing an m.2 drive on the second big slot.
@@jdub8305 It's needs to be a System BIOS that supports UEFI 2.3.1 or later with NVMe support. I usually do a google search with my mobo name or ask the manufacturer of mobo. Mobo manual should have this info if it supports it.
Please just right-click on the start button and choose 'Disk Management' or 'Device Manager'. Typing 'This PC' and right-clicking on it and going to 'Manage' is so inefficient.
That's what the top port is for. The Sata port on the card lets you plug in an nvme into it and then you plug that sata cable into the motherboard sata socket. It converts the nvme from it's native bus type to the sata bus type. It lets you use older mother boards that don't support pci-e nvme support.
@@skilletpan5674 Yes, that's the way this card works. However, doing this gives no advantage from just buying a 2.5" SATA SSD and install it. This card still have some limitation when the motherboard chip-set is too old.
Yeah I totally agree. About the only technical reason for using one of these cards _might_ be some kind of IOP or sustained read/write advantage over an SSD? I doubt you'd see any real world difference though. Personally I just buy more ram and use a WD black or even a couple of cheap drives in raid 1 or raid 0 will give a good speed boost to an old PC. You can get some fairly cheap and good raid cards that support PCI-E v2 for about $100USD that will support 4 or 8 drives. I used to use a perc 5i and that gave some really good sustained speeds with 4 drives in raid 0.
@@skilletpan5674 yeah thats not how that works bud-nvme doesnt convert to sata-the sata port on the card only accepts m.2 sata ssd which has 2 little tabs whereas m.2 nvme has the single "b" tab on the right-older chipsets can work just fine with m.2 nvme and pcie adapter card provided the mobo has at least pcie 2.0-using clover bootloader allows you to even boot from the nvme ssd-you take a performance hit from 3.0 to 2.0 but its still WAY faster that a 2.5 inch sata ssd-the card he is using is junk
The main downside to this option is that most (all?) BIOSes cannot see the drive before boot. So you could use this for an add-on drive but not a system drive.
@@pinkfiffty3094 just went trough with succes with 1 tb nvme ssd just like op in the Video. The reason I opted for this path is simply that theoretically having the ssd flash drive on an adapter plugged directly to the motherboard through a x4/x8/x16 slot provides you higher memory speeds than sata 3 (at worst equivalent but up to 16x… faster than sata 3….I think… depending on your motherboards age and pci hardware slots version compatibility. There are many M.2 /nvme/sata adapters available cheep for almost all pcl versions up to version 4 and pci-express and are almost all backward compatible pcl1-2-3-4 . Trust me I’m stoked with the result from my 12 years old ddr3 midline asus pc
Damir Kvajo I didn't buy the Dell yet but as an experiment, I did buy a used HP 800 G2 tower on Ebay. So NOW I find out that the bracket won't work for booting. I can only hope that the tower has a build in NVMe port! I did find the HP specs on the tower which talked about the Turbo M.2 as an option for drives. It didn't mention anything about no booting so I presumed it would work or they would have mentioned it. But then again it was listed under "storage options" along with dozens of other options. The turbo is a Samsung Evo 970 NVMe. That's what pushed me over and now I'm committed. If it won't work I will have to sell it as a loss. It would have been nice if cobuman would have mentioned the no boot thing since his demo seemed to prove it works to run Windows 7 and one would presume for booting as well unless otherwise warned. : (
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Excuse me, Windows 7 does have the GPT partition option! I just installed a 4TB drive in my Windows 7 system using the GPT partition cos we have to use this partition style for more than 2TB in Windows 7.
In fact, all versions since Windows Vista and Windows Server 2008 have had GPT support. Even 64-bit Windows XP supported it. docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/windows-and-gpt-faq
Thanks Man! I had similar problem that i didt now how to fix. But this disk manager fix it!! :) So now i have extra 480 gb from a 2.5 ssd kingston + WD SN850 1 tb + 1 tb my passport extern on 1 tb. For a week ago i had only one 500 gb hdd in my msi gl62 7rd:) Sry my bad english:)
This has been very helpful. I like the M.2 adapter to the white slot. I have seen other kinds before. Like this AUSU M.2 Adapter. That lets you install 4 of them. You sir have a new subscriber. Keep up the great work. Thank you.
@S Cramer It's all good... Sometimes I get an urge to reply to misspelled comments like that but I'm sure it's just an honest mistake. 😁 I use spell check all the time as well. Hehe
@@RomanHold huh? An optical disc drive (ODD) is a disc drive that uses laser light or electromagnetic waves within or near the visible light spectrum as part of the process of reading or writing data to or from optical discs. A hard disk drive (HDD), hard disk, hard drive, or fixed disk[a] is an electro-mechanical data storage device that stores and retrieves digital data using magnetic storage with one or more rigid rapidly rotating platters coated with magnetic material... HDD aren't very optical (optical as in behaviour and properties of light.) I'd say magnetic read/write is tad different than optical read/write.
It is exactly for that reason you should clone your OS to the new and really fast Nvme M.2 drive if your bios is even capable of booting from it. Reading and writing onto it self when running Video edting programs makes it superfast. Having it as a seperate cache (partition) work-drive always will slow down performance of your actual OS (c:\ drive) if it is still running on SATA. I do understand you like to copy things onto itself all the time all day.
Good advice. My main PC is i9 9900k with two m.2 slots one running the OS and other for exactly what you've mentioned. Editing 4k videos is 100 times better with this drive.
Hi, how are you?! Recently I bought an SSD M.2 NVMe Kingstone 1Tb to my old motherboard Asus Z97m-plus LGA1150 (2015) m.2 socket 3, in order to improve the speed of my files transfer( I´m Designer working with 3D reality)...When the system is installed in my old HDD (Win 10 PRO original) he did recognize the new volume without no worries, I can transfer files without problems.... but when I try to install the whole system into it, with a boot Pendrive method, the BIOS didn´t recognize the same one, it´s very strange because I can still install the system into my SSD... but when I restart my computer, some times appears only the BIOS screen, other times the blue screen of death from Win 10.... Now I'm looking for some sort of adapter PCIe, I hope this solve the problem, what you think? It´s gonna work or not? Thank you kindly!
Hello, I'm doing fine. That's an interesting situation because it should work if you already have m.2 slot. I'm assuming you tried enabling the EUFI in BIOS.. aside from that it seems to be specific to that motherboard. Maybe an adapter will help you but not sure to be honest. Let me know if it does. Good luck.
@@GUIORLOFF use clover, add a file NvmExpressDxe.efi (it is in off folder) to EFI>CLOVER>drivers>UEFI & BIOS, then fix your WindowsBootMananger by PE, you can google it for more details
@@GUIORLOFF the easiest way is, boot by a USB driver which installed clover and added , I recommand use software . If you do not want use USB driver, you could install CLOVER in your SATA device, a little bit harder.
depends on the systems bios options if you can boot through pci like that. otherwise what you need instead is a pcie to sata with a controller that uses a chipset that is supported by the os. i don't know about doing this in win10 have only done this on really old pc that was pci and ide and boots to lubuntu through a sata raid card on a pci slot.
I have an X58 chipset motherboard running with an I-7 965 EXTREME ($1000 processor) The bios will not see the M.2 NVMe adapter for booting needs, therefore you can not have it as your operating system drive. You can however have it in the system so after boot the needed drivers are loaded so the NVMe drive can be used as a high speed data drive. There may be a way of using a SATA drive for the boot files and then shift to the NVMe for the O.S.
Below are some other benefits... Loading any other program/game a lot faster than standard SSD. Huge speed benefit when editing high resolution 4k videos or 60fps in general (loading, seek speed). And more... As mentioned in Video, copy/paste/move/backup is 10x faster.
That's a great question. I did a comparison test with Gigabyte z390 Aorus PRO like this: amzn.to/2REdF08 Using onboard M.2 slot the difference was around 5% read/write
it´s the same, the adaptdor is not slower. In fact, the adaptor does nothing... the data goes direct from the SSD to PCI express bus, without any interference.
Easiest way of checking speed test is using cmd.exe :) There u use command winsat drive -seq -read -drive c Or winsat drive -seq -write -drive c You can use at the other name of disk ofc :) for example drive e if you want to check drive e
That's really cool. I didn't know about that... Unfortunately the command you provided does not work for me; however, below does. Run as Admin. winsat disk -seq -read -drive c: winsat disk -seq -write -drive c:
Great, well, I mean, really pretty good, but, like, if you wanted, it could like, really be exceptional, you know, the video, if, maybe, you kind of, sort of, you know? Like, just maybe not repeat like, you know, everything you say, like, so many times, then it would be, like, a really fantastic video! You must get paid by the hour. This would have been a GREAT video if it had been five minutes. Edit! Please ...
18:01 Optical Drive? In computing, an optical disc drive (ODD) is a disc drive that uses laser light or electromagnetic waves within or near the visible light spectrum as part of the process of reading or writing data to or from optical discs. E.G. Compact discs, DVDs, and Blu-ray discs
cobuman thanks man...this will be a great setup to put games and what not on.....don't think I'll use it to boot from but it sure will be a welcome addition to my other drives....👍 now all I gotta do is catch a 1 TB on sale somewhere......👍
necro post. The white slot you point at is physically a 16x pcie slot (depending on motherboard may electrically be an 8x), the large black slot is a 16x (both physically and electrically) The little black ones are 1x pcie slots. PCIE slot run down: www.hardwaresecrets.com/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-pci-express/4/
These devices cannot be used on a HP Workstation Z420 as a boot device. Even with the latest BIOS update. However, once Windows, Linux, etc has booted the drive is visible and functions great. I just really wanted to enhance my boot performance and general drive performance over all. Guess I'll just have to live with the current boot speeds. Another idea that I have not tried, is using another boot system such as GRUB and configure it to load from a standard SATS SSD, but point to the new NVMe SSD that I have cloned my old boot drive to. That should work. Might do that in the next few days.
Hi, Thanks for the info may be I should agree with you after searching many articles, I am thinking to try z420 with Samsung sm951, as nvme boot able, any suggestions?
Thanks Zach. Yea, a good thing with these adapters is that they use pcie which is the same as the onboard embedded m.2 slots. Keep in mind that if your want to use it as OS boot it still needs BIOS/mobo support; otherwise, it works fine as storage.
However, some old MB were not supported NVME ssd. But it can be fixed by CLOVER, just add a FILE called to EFI>CLOVER>drivers>UEFI & BIOS ,then it works!
This video is Great! My Dell tech rep said I needed to go to BIOS to complete installation of new Samsung EVO. NO. I just followed your instructions. I still can not access my BIOS even though XPS 8930 is working. Still working with Dell tech support. Only reason I know I can't access BIOS is because I wanted to clone new ssd. Anyway THANK YOU!
1.To measure speed I use crystal benchmark, it's very popular. 2.The copy was too fast to see the speed, try to create bigger test file, like 200gbytes,.You can use , "fsutil file createnew ....." To create any dummy file for testing. 3.My fastest speed so far 5gbytes/second, using HBA card and external storage in software stripe RAID.
Lol 6:26 "get you a little good angle here...just gently screw it in. You don't have to force nothing.No......OH.....You don't need a lot of...just very gently....soon as you feel it tightening, you're done" Cobuman you teach Health class too?!?!? Nice dude
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Brilliant clip m8. Thank you so much. You have a wonderful way about you, explaining something, which to some people is extremely simple, but to others, extremely difficult, and daunting. ! Cheers from N.Z. Bill.
Thanks! I appreciate that. Cheers my friend!
You are a life saver! I was so close to thinking i got a defective unit and your guide was excellent and very easy to understand. Thank you so much for making this!;
My pleasure.
Great description start to finish!!
Very clear instructions coming from a more oldskool user it blows my mind how fast the newer drives are. I miss the clicking of an old hard drive though.
Would have been nice to talk about what BIOS changes are necessary for compatibility because you quickly gloss over that without any detail. For this drive to be bootable, your BIOS has to find this card as a UEFI bootable device. In some cases, you might need to enable PCI-e bifurcation (which is basically just splitting the PCIe lanes for read and write). Most importantly, you'll need to be sure that your CPU has enough PCIe lanes available to access this disk. A dual GPU or high-end GPU might be taking most. It doesn't matter how many PCIe slots your motherboard has, most commonly the CPU does not have the lanes to address all of them.
Thanks man! Your input really helpful and will love to be guided on how to set up the BIOD to recognise the drive for it to be bootable.
Yes I could not get my old HP Compaq 6200 Pro to detect the M.2 drive. The Windows 10 USB installer would work, but I am not able to boot into it.
how to make 3rd gen boards to read pcie nvme m key ssd as they are not readable. Can you please help me out
Thank you excellent video on clearly showing me. How things work with the adapter. I was little confused at 1st but after watching your video. I understand now one goes for SSDM. 2 and anyone goes to the Sarah connector which is like a regular SSD hard drive
Sure thing. You got it. 👍
The screw and standoff for the SSD are not screwed down correctly. There should be a gap between the SSD and the surface of the underlying PCB. This standoff should stick through the hole loosely and the half hole of the SSD should seat against the standoff and screw. The socket spring tension will keep the shoulder of the standoff in contact with the underlying PCB. They didn't just include a nut instead of the standoff for this reason.
Thank you for pointing that out. I put mine on wrong, I have to change it now. never tried it with an adapter b4 so i was not sure. Again, thank you.
Actually if you look closely there is a small gap there. Its seated against the standoff. He just didn't mention it :)
I love you man! I could not for the life of myself figure why my NVME was not working! Thank you so much!
😁 I'm glad to help.
Thank you so much for another amazing. Two suggestions that would be very helpful. Enlarge the arrow pointer to the next size up. It's hard to follow where you're at on the screen with a tiny pointer. Secondly if you could zoom in on the screen at all times it would be a tremendous help to everyone watching. We're not sitting in front of your screen so making out where you're at and exactly what the screen says is very hard to see. A very common thing in computer instructional video on TH-cam. Content creators think we're sitting in front of the screen like they are when we're looking at a screen 5 times smaller to try to see what you're doing. I say this specifically because I'm watching your videos on my phone to learn and I'm trying so hard to follow the arrow that I Miss what you're teaching
Sure thing. You've made excellent points. I do exactly what you've suggested on my new videos. 😁I think most people don't do it because it's time consuming... but for the past 2 years I've been doing exactly that because it does make a huuuge difference. I've only realized that after my youtube analytics told me that more than 50% people watch my tutorials on a smartphone.
I fully agree. I have expressed clearly.
Outstanding, Sir! I'm sure i am just echoing what may others here may have already observed: You'd make an excellent teacher.
Thank you!
😊Thank you.
I think you might be confusing people with the way you referred to PCIe slots. There are four different PCI Express slot types. They can be differentiated by their physical size. PCI Express cards use the x1, x4, x8 and x16 sizes, which reflect how many individual data connector lanes the card supports. The number following the "x" in the name is mathematically relevant to the size of the card connector. For example: a x8 slot is twice the size of a x4 slot, and a x16 slot is four times as large as a x4 slot. The color of the slot is manufacturer dependent and is not consistent across all computers. In terms of PCIe speed, there are five PCIe versions with increasing levels of throughput from 1 to 5. The PCIe controller will throttle down to match the speed of the card if it is less than the speed of the slot.
I could find my M.2 NMVe drive on my system until I've tried what you had suggested to do. What a suprise and how fast. I've made a copy of a large file on the NMVe "drive" with 970 mb/s. Yes, 970 Mb/s. That's really stupid awesome. Thanks for this tip and thumps up off course. I'm gonna use it for video rendering which thake so much time. even on a "normal" ssd.
Now I know how to get these "drives" installed i will purchase another one for installing windows on it. ;-)
I'm glad it worked out for you. 👍😁
Very helpful. Thank you for taking the time to record this, step by step.
Sure thing. I have a more recent video comparing the speeds of M.2 vs SATA SSD vs SATA magnetic HD th-cam.com/video/k5-CLHM8VxE/w-d-xo.html I found a bit surprising results which I would like to hear your opinion about.
@@Cobuman Your comparison video is great, however, there are a few factors that need to be addressed. Your speed test starts with a 500 gig sata ssd. Then you go to the 250 m.2. The reason your speeds are so close together on those 2 drives are a fact of TBW which you can look at as, say the cashe. You noticed how both started out fast and then slowed down a little, that's because the 500 drive has a longer TBW than the 250. Each drive has a tbw or total bytes written threshold. the biger the tbw the longer the drive will hold that transfer rate b4 slowing down.even though the 5000 gig is a sata interface, it still has a larger tbw. thats why the speeds were relatively close in time. I am using a Pcie adapter with my 1tb m.2. I am also going to migrate my OS to that drive after cleaning up a bit. Thanks for the info in both videos. Nice work on the comparison. Keep up the great work.
@@Primus32 I appreciate the feedback and support. 👍
Awesome - this is the EXACT video Im looking for.......I will be doing exactly this to my 800 g2
Nice! I'm glad you found it.
Lol same here, I got a stroke of luck because he had the EXACT same computer as me which is nice
Moral of the story: never have coffee before pc building 🤣
Great video...the only issue is heat. It was stated that these drives generate a lot of heat...and there are heat sinks for them.
Great point. I completely agree with you.
On your close-up, the white PCI slot ALSO says X1 PCI (aka PCIe X1), just like your smaller format black ones. So, you are actually only running your PCIeX4 card at PCIe-X1 speeds. So, you should see even more speed if you have a proper spec PCIe-X4 slot to perform these steps on.
hey, i'm looking to install an m.2 in a ten year old pc, i recently installed a 1050ti but it would only work (???) on the top pcie slot, which is pcie 3.0..... way outta my depth here. if i get an m.2 will it also want to use the top slot? i have two larger slots and two smaller ones (? sound cards etc?) i vaguely remember there being a problem with some m.2's in older systems but i forget what it was and what i should buy instead. any info tips to help jog my memory as to the right m.2 and also any info on why my 1050ti would only work in top slot and if that affects installing an m.2 drive on the second big slot.
I just bought one that holds 4 SSDs using just one PCI16 slot great for future expansion
Nice! Do you like it? I'm thinking about making another video but not sure which brand to go with.
All computers have white slots
My motherboard with 1 slot: am i joke to you
Oh my god thank you so much. I literally was about to buy a motherboard with the NVME M.2 slot but i found this last second!
Sure thing. Keep in mind this will work as storage not OS boot unless your BIOS supports it.
@@Cobuman how i know if my bios support this before i buy the m2? my mobo: gigabyte h110m s2h
@@Cobuman yes how do we know if bios supports it?
@@jdub8305 It's needs to be a System BIOS that supports UEFI 2.3.1 or later with NVMe support. I usually do a google search with my mobo name or ask the manufacturer of mobo. Mobo manual should have this info if it supports it.
Holy cow man. Put the screw on the “magnetic” screwdriver first. C’mon man!
Thank you very much! Didn’t see drive, and thought, that my new disk is not compatible. Now all works great!
My pleasure.
win 7 works fine with GPT especially if its over 2GB, it is also bootable for UEFi bios not legacy.
Nice. Thanks.
How about in Win 10? Can i use this card as main drive on boot? Been trying but “winload.efi” is missing. Don’t know what to do. Thanks
My computer supports uefi but it still won’t allow me to boot from the PCIe slot
Waiting & Looking for this video for so long, Thank You for your Effort, thank you very much!
Please just right-click on the start button and choose 'Disk Management' or 'Device Manager'. Typing 'This PC' and right-clicking on it and going to 'Manage' is so inefficient.
he did kind of go around his elbow to get to this thumb on that one....
Bro he called it a hard drive
Im shook
BRO HE CALLED A HARD DRIVE AN OPTICAL DRIVE
you just saved me hours thank you
That was the best detailed info on the M.2 my friend. Well said. Thank you. :)
My pleasure.
Nice installation guide. However, some older Intel chip set didn't not support NVMe at all (eg Z68), so the speed will not "Amazing" in that case.
That's what the top port is for. The Sata port on the card lets you plug in an nvme into it and then you plug that sata cable into the motherboard sata socket. It converts the nvme from it's native bus type to the sata bus type. It lets you use older mother boards that don't support pci-e nvme support.
@@skilletpan5674 Yes, that's the way this card works. However, doing this gives no advantage from just buying a 2.5" SATA SSD and install it. This card still have some limitation when the motherboard chip-set is too old.
Yeah I totally agree. About the only technical reason for using one of these cards _might_ be some kind of IOP or sustained read/write advantage over an SSD? I doubt you'd see any real world difference though. Personally I just buy more ram and use a WD black or even a couple of cheap drives in raid 1 or raid 0 will give a good speed boost to an old PC. You can get some fairly cheap and good raid cards that support PCI-E v2 for about $100USD that will support 4 or 8 drives. I used to use a perc 5i and that gave some really good sustained speeds with 4 drives in raid 0.
@@skilletpan5674 yeah thats not how that works bud-nvme doesnt convert to sata-the sata port on the card only accepts m.2 sata ssd which has 2 little tabs whereas m.2 nvme has the single "b" tab on the right-older chipsets can work just fine with m.2 nvme and pcie adapter card provided the mobo has at least pcie 2.0-using clover bootloader allows you to even boot from the nvme ssd-you take a performance hit from 3.0 to 2.0 but its still WAY faster that a 2.5 inch sata ssd-the card he is using is junk
Was just about to buy a 2.5inch ssd cuz my mobo didn't have a nvme es.
Thanks a ton brother!
Sure thing.
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You do realize when you copy from same drive to same drive it actually isn't writing anything on the drive it just tags it, like creating a shortcut!
wow! I just learned something new. I got to get me one of these for my 800 g1. thank you so much.🤠🔥👍🏻
The main downside to this option is that most (all?) BIOSes cannot see the drive before boot. So you could use this for an add-on drive but not a system drive.
Use clover UEFI
What about if you use a 2.5" hard drive enclosure with a sata interface will that work ok?
@@pinkfiffty3094 just went trough with succes with 1 tb nvme ssd just like op in the Video. The reason I opted for this path is simply that theoretically having the ssd flash drive on an adapter plugged directly to the motherboard through a x4/x8/x16 slot provides you higher memory speeds than sata 3 (at worst equivalent but up to 16x… faster than sata 3….I think… depending on your motherboards age and pci hardware slots version compatibility.
There are many M.2 /nvme/sata adapters available cheep for almost all pcl versions up to version 4 and pci-express and are almost all backward compatible pcl1-2-3-4 . Trust me I’m stoked with the result from my 12 years old ddr3 midline asus pc
Damir Kvajo I didn't buy the Dell yet but as an experiment, I did buy a used HP 800 G2 tower on Ebay. So NOW I find out that the bracket won't work for booting. I can only hope that the tower has a build in NVMe port! I did find the HP specs on the tower which talked about the Turbo M.2 as an option for drives. It didn't mention anything about no booting so I presumed it would work or they would have mentioned it. But then again it was listed under "storage options" along with dozens of other options. The turbo is a Samsung Evo 970 NVMe. That's what pushed me over and now I'm committed. If it won't work I will have to sell it as a loss. It would have been nice if cobuman would have mentioned the no boot thing since his demo seemed to prove it works to run Windows 7 and one would presume for booting as well unless otherwise warned. : (
Why you need to use M.2 SSD drive; speed test with adapter installation guide. Amazing speeds. FOR ALL DESKTOP PCs
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Speed Comparison Test starts around 17:07.
Disk Management Tutorial starts at around 10:10.
Watch the whole video to properly install an M.2 Adapter and SSD.
hi can i use this for my OS ?
working on x79 and x58 systems?... link? USE AS BOOT DRIVE?
@@ReganMarcelis only with an old Samsung 950, have it in my Asrock X58 System.
So I dont have to buy a new MOTHERBOARD?Because mine doesnt support it I dont have it on asusu?
Can I use this on pci-E?
Old Video but still super useful!!! Thank you so much!
Glad it helped!
right-click on the start menu and you see disk management in the list
Very2 helpful sir i was worried coz my laptop doesn't support NVME M. 2 but now i know it can be used with PCIE adapter.
They have m.2 adapters for laptop that use USB: th-cam.com/video/d30arNLKvrE/w-d-xo.html Not as fast but pretty good.
That is a "shame" some people doesn`t know how to use a screw driver and a screw!
Very Good explained simplest method for unexperienced person, Thank You very much
My pleasure.
Okay but that drive normally reads & writes at over 2000mb/s, running CrystalDiskMark would have been more informative.
ie. 2Gb/s READ speed so 250GB/s in Windows parlance.
How about the WRITE speed ?
1,400Gb/s
good video. Well described comparisons. Will buy adapter from your affiliate link next
Thank you sir.
Excuse me, Windows 7 does have the GPT partition option! I just installed a 4TB drive in my Windows 7 system using the GPT partition cos we have to use this partition style for more than 2TB in Windows 7.
Very nice. Thank you for letting us know. I appreciate it.
In fact, all versions since Windows Vista and Windows Server 2008 have had GPT support. Even 64-bit Windows XP supported it. docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/windows-and-gpt-faq
Mick can you tell me what drivers you needed? Thanks in advance
are you sure win7 suppport gpt partition ?any drivers needed...
@@amitdas1967 Yes I am sure as I have done it .. it does not need any drivers.
Thanks Man! I had similar problem that i didt now how to fix. But this disk manager fix it!! :) So now i have extra 480 gb from a 2.5 ssd kingston + WD SN850 1 tb + 1 tb my passport extern on 1 tb. For a week ago i had only one 500 gb hdd in my msi gl62 7rd:)
Sry my bad english:)
Nice! I'm glad you got it figured out.
Great info! Can you tell me if this upgrade will work (or can be made to work with bios tweak) on Windows 7 Pro? I am not going to W10. Thanks
Same here.
Did it work?
If it did
What did you use to clone the contents?
This has been very helpful. I like the M.2 adapter to the white slot. I have seen other kinds before. Like this AUSU M.2 Adapter. That lets you install 4 of them. You sir have a new subscriber. Keep up the great work. Thank you.
Thanks Nelson!
@S Cramer It's all good... Sometimes I get an urge to reply to misspelled comments like that but I'm sure it's just an honest mistake. 😁 I use spell check all the time as well. Hehe
Right Click Start Menu > Device Manager or Computer Management (again, a little bit faster)
Win+x > M. Much faster.
Thanks to you I can finally use my SSD, so thank you.
My pleasure.
Your HDD is not an optical drive bruh.
Hmmm hard optical drive definitions of "what a disk", what is "hard" and what is "optical" here is.
@@RomanHold huh? An optical disc drive (ODD) is a disc drive that uses laser light or electromagnetic waves within or near the visible light spectrum as part of the process of reading or writing data to or from optical discs. A hard disk drive (HDD), hard disk, hard drive, or fixed disk[a] is an electro-mechanical data storage device that stores and retrieves digital data using magnetic storage with one or more rigid rapidly rotating platters coated with magnetic material... HDD aren't very optical (optical as in behaviour and properties of light.) I'd say magnetic read/write is tad different than optical read/write.
It is exactly for that reason you should clone your OS to the new and really fast Nvme M.2 drive if your bios is even capable of booting from it. Reading and writing onto it self when running Video edting programs makes it superfast. Having it as a seperate cache (partition) work-drive always will slow down performance of your actual OS (c:\ drive) if it is still running on SATA. I do understand you like to copy things onto itself all the time all day.
Good advice. My main PC is i9 9900k with two m.2 slots one running the OS and other for exactly what you've mentioned. Editing 4k videos is 100 times better with this drive.
*OS Boot Question* My video here shows what needs to be enabled: th-cam.com/video/CeoxiNTtXrc/w-d-xo.html
Hi, how are you?! Recently I bought an SSD M.2 NVMe Kingstone 1Tb to my old motherboard Asus Z97m-plus LGA1150 (2015) m.2 socket 3, in order to improve the speed of my files transfer( I´m Designer working with 3D reality)...When the system is installed in my old HDD (Win 10 PRO original) he did recognize the new volume without no worries, I can transfer files without problems.... but when I try to install the whole system into it, with a boot Pendrive method, the BIOS didn´t recognize the same one, it´s very strange because I can still install the system into my SSD... but when I restart my computer, some times appears only the BIOS screen, other times the blue screen of death from Win 10.... Now I'm looking for some sort of adapter PCIe, I hope this solve the problem, what you think? It´s gonna work or not? Thank you kindly!
Hello, I'm doing fine. That's an interesting situation because it should work if you already have m.2 slot. I'm assuming you tried enabling the EUFI in BIOS.. aside from that it seems to be specific to that motherboard. Maybe an adapter will help you but not sure to be honest. Let me know if it does. Good luck.
@@GUIORLOFF use clover, add a file NvmExpressDxe.efi (it is in off folder) to EFI>CLOVER>drivers>UEFI & BIOS, then fix your WindowsBootMananger by PE, you can google it for more details
@@GUIORLOFF the easiest way is, boot by a USB driver which installed clover and added , I recommand use software . If you do not want use USB driver, you could install CLOVER in your SATA device, a little bit harder.
Thanks, making the purchase because of this video!
Can you install windows 10 on this drive and configure the bios to boot from to the NVME drive on older systems?
depends on the systems bios options if you can boot through pci like that. otherwise what you need instead is a pcie to sata with a controller that uses a chipset that is supported by the os. i don't know about doing this in win10 have only done this on really old pc that was pci and ide and boots to lubuntu through a sata raid card on a pci slot.
I have an X58 chipset motherboard running with an I-7 965 EXTREME ($1000 processor) The bios will not see the M.2 NVMe adapter for booting needs, therefore you can not have it as your operating system drive. You can however have it in the system so after boot the needed drivers are loaded so the NVMe drive can be used as a high speed data drive.
There may be a way of using a SATA drive for the boot files and then shift to the NVMe for the O.S.
I like to see people share their experience with specific PC setups. Thank yous sir. 👍
That drive it's uselles in that old pc cause u can't use it as a boot drive
Not every pc has a friggin 2nd white pcie slot either.
not true, just modify your UEFI BIOS with NVME extension. Simple to do.
Below are some other benefits...
Loading any other program/game a lot faster than standard SSD.
Huge speed benefit when editing high resolution 4k videos or 60fps in general (loading, seek speed). And more...
As mentioned in Video, copy/paste/move/backup is 10x faster.
@@Cobuman ,
I'd like to see a video that compares several game loading times for a fast SSD vs a good 6Gbps SSD. There's usually minimal benefit.
Everything is very clear ❤️👌
I'm glad you like it.
is the ssd bottlenecked like this?
I mean how does it compare to plugging it directly to M.2 slot on the motherboard(if i had one)
That's a great question. I did a comparison test with Gigabyte z390 Aorus PRO like this: amzn.to/2REdF08
Using onboard M.2 slot the difference was around 5% read/write
it would be really not that marginally noticeable , feel free to use it
it´s the same, the adaptdor is not slower. In fact, the adaptor does nothing... the data goes direct from the SSD to PCI express bus, without any interference.
as long as is PCI express 3.0, of course.
@@asysjr The real question is... Is it a trap?
Thank -you!!! Excellent video,helped me a lot,many thanks!!!
he said, "Hard drive", kept saying "Hard drive"
Yes, its technically hard. Made of silicon and metal. He should say Solid State...
3:51😂
Easiest way of checking speed test is using cmd.exe :)
There u use command
winsat drive -seq -read -drive c
Or
winsat drive -seq -write -drive c
You can use at the other name of disk ofc :) for example drive e if you want to check drive e
That's really cool. I didn't know about that... Unfortunately the command you provided does not work for me; however, below does. Run as Admin.
winsat disk -seq -read -drive c:
winsat disk -seq -write -drive c:
@@Cobuman doesn't work in mine :(
@@esspi9 Run CMD as Administrator.
Great, well, I mean, really pretty good, but, like, if you wanted, it could like, really be exceptional, you know, the video, if, maybe, you kind of, sort of, you know? Like, just maybe not repeat like, you know, everything you say, like, so many times, then it would be, like, a really fantastic video!
You must get paid by the hour.
This would have been a GREAT video if it had been five minutes. Edit! Please ...
or get paid per comma =)
18:01 Optical Drive?
In computing, an optical disc drive (ODD) is a disc drive that uses laser light or electromagnetic waves within or near the visible light spectrum as part of the process of reading or writing data to or from optical discs.
E.G. Compact discs, DVDs, and Blu-ray discs
Haha,the russians try to sell cards so they can spy:-))
Intel's ME.....Google, Apple, Microsoft, etc. all spy. Russia is too far away to have much authority over me
What an amazing video, many thanks for creating this. Thanks
Thanks a lot. I appreciate your support. 👍
This guy is so confusing and difficult to follow, in fact I'd go as far as to say he does not know what he is doing.
Why install an NVMe drive and NOT make it your OS/boot drive???? doesn't make sense
cobuman thanks man...this will be a great setup to put games and what not on.....don't think I'll use it to boot from but it sure will be a welcome addition to my other drives....👍
now all I gotta do is catch a 1 TB on sale somewhere......👍
Sure thing. You might find a good deal for Black Friday or Cyber Monday. This Samsung is $20 off amzn.to/37AGLFf
@@Cobuman was able to get an Intel 6 SSD 1 TB for 89 bucks (NVMe) ....works great...that adapter is the real deal....👍...great heads up my man....
@@moss8448 That's awesome. I'm glad it worked out for you. 👍😁
Watch 5 videos and not one of them explained what to do when you have to partition the drive and make it show up. Thank you so much!!
I'm glad to help. 👍
necro post. The white slot you point at is physically a 16x pcie slot (depending on motherboard may electrically be an 8x), the large black slot is a 16x (both physically and electrically) The little black ones are 1x pcie slots.
PCIE slot run down: www.hardwaresecrets.com/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-pci-express/4/
Got it in my cart already!!!!!
yes .. good and quick demonstration .. thanks
So awesome video bro thank you from sweden..
Thanks buddy. Take care.
mine did not show up automatically. The second half of your video, really came in handy. Thank you again.
I just installed the Samsung EVO Plus 1T and love it.
Very nice. 👍
Have you tested the speeds ?
@@highsandlows_ I have a video on that: th-cam.com/video/CZo7Okheyns/w-d-xo.html
These devices cannot be used on a HP Workstation Z420 as a boot device. Even with the latest BIOS update. However, once Windows, Linux, etc has booted the drive is visible and functions great. I just really wanted to enhance my boot performance and general drive performance over all. Guess I'll just have to live with the current boot speeds.
Another idea that I have not tried, is using another boot system such as GRUB and configure it to load from a standard SATS SSD, but point to the new NVMe SSD that I have cloned my old boot drive to. That should work. Might do that in the next few days.
Hi, Thanks for the info may be I should agree with you after searching many articles, I am thinking to try z420 with Samsung sm951, as nvme boot able, any suggestions?
Thank you so much sir well explained.
Sure thing. Take care.
Dude your amazing i was almost about to buy a new motherboard everything i read said nothing about what you just did
Thanks Zach. Yea, a good thing with these adapters is that they use pcie which is the same as the onboard embedded m.2 slots. Keep in mind that if your want to use it as OS boot it still needs BIOS/mobo support; otherwise, it works fine as storage.
cobuman can you please make a video or explain how to make it bootable as the main windows OS drive in bios
However, some old MB were not supported NVME ssd. But it can be fixed by CLOVER, just add a FILE called to EFI>CLOVER>drivers>UEFI & BIOS ,then it works!
I mean, not supported install OS in this NVME ssd
I though this was used in MAC OS. Will it work in Windows OS as well?
@@Cobuman yeah，even some MB which do not support UEFI boot could install Windows 7 by this way.
awesome demonstration ...
This has been very helpful thank you bro...
My pleasure. 👍
Great video and subscribed! For what its worth @ 05:15 - that's called a tee nut.
😁👍Thanks!. Sometimes I confuse nuts with washers as well...hehe.
Thank you Brethren!
Tip.. put the screw on the screw driver first it's magnetic.
You right, thanks. Weird thing is I have few of the same type of screw drivers and only this one happens to be magnetic.
You were goin on and on about that screw, but when you brought it out I was like, Sweet! 😂
Great video very descriptive
Thanks Jack!
Very informative video, Thanks
This was so useful, thanks!
You're welcome. Take care.
very good stuff Amazing video...
Thanks man. 👍
Great Video, keep it up
Thanks Khadeeja.
This video is Great! My Dell tech rep said I needed to go to BIOS to complete installation of new Samsung EVO.
NO. I just followed your instructions. I still can not access my BIOS even though XPS 8930 is working. Still working with Dell tech support. Only reason I know I can't access BIOS is because I wanted to clone new ssd. Anyway THANK YOU!
Great video 👍🏽🙏
Thank you. 👍😁
Amazing video thank you
Glad you enjoyed it
Thanks, I have never commented on youtube but your video solved the problem. Thank you very much manin
Sure thing. I'm glad to help.
fast cpu, big Ram and now real-time storage... in addition operator should consider Red bull to try and keep up with his console 😊
Thanks a lot for your video. It is very informative.
thank you bud. I was scared the moment I opened my computer and the new disk didn't show.
Sure thing!
great explanation
Thanks!
Solid tutorial.
Thanks.
1.To measure speed I use crystal benchmark, it's very popular.
2.The copy was too fast to see the speed, try to create bigger test file, like 200gbytes,.You can use ,
"fsutil file createnew ....." To create any dummy file for testing.
3.My fastest speed so far 5gbytes/second, using HBA card and external storage in software stripe RAID.
Lol 6:26 "get you a little good angle here...just gently screw it in. You don't have to force nothing.No......OH.....You don't need a lot of...just very gently....soon as you feel it tightening, you're done"
Cobuman you teach Health class too?!?!? Nice dude
😁hehe That's funny.
Massive thanks!! All worked smoothly, great vid
My pleasure. I'm glad to help.
Good explanation. Thank you
Great Teaching