Thanks for the info, old man at my job told me to fix this by reversing the clutch and holding up the lever, well i was sitting there just going at it forever realising the deck wasnt moving, i had done it before no issue so it was a real headscratcher. Didnt tell me that you had to flip that little release switch up first.
Proper Protocol for clearing a Deck Jam is as follows. 1. Shut the Pinsetter off with the circuit breaker. 2. Grab a Lock out box and unplug pinsetter and lock cord in box. 3. Engage the clutch on the pinsetter. 4 While Gently lifting up on the holding hook Rotate the Motor to Gearbox Belt Towards the 7pin side of machine. Once deck lower sufficiently to clear jammed pins. Once pins are cleared from the deck removing of pins in the chutes is optional but not required unless the black out is caused by the moving deck failure to shift. 5. Climb out of machine and Then plug back in and restore power to pinsetter. Run the pinsetter for one or two cycles and observe machine in action. Editors note. If you pull up too hard on the holding hook you will throw the first and second ball micro switch out of adjustment so you only need to pull up slowly on it til you hear a click
The "reset button" is actually the cycle solenoid, but when you pull the solenoid inwards, it acts like a reset, as it triggers the machine. The reset buttons energize the solenoid.
Tip: You don’t need to clear out all the pins from deck just throw the miss fallen pins to the pit or just straighten up the pins that are already in the chutes.
Your lucky you have not been pulled into the belts with all the loose clothing and key strap that is dangling from your pocket. Practice safety first!!!!
Holy crap, I hadn't even noticed the lanyard. I noticed the clothes, but I was focusing too much on the strange procedure. This is not how we do it usually. Are you on an A2 or something else? We have A1s, so they might work a little differently.
I had the Deck Jam problem happen a lot to me as a Bowler when I was bowling back in High School in the 1990's. Great video to explain how they shut off the machine and manually lower the deck to empty the basket !
from what you describe it sounds more like a ball bringing a pin up as the ball goes up the lift rods. there is an easy fix for this. installing a pin-deflector cord stops pins from going up with the ball. it is a small bracket which snaps onto the 7 pin side and you attach a elastic bungee cord to the hook and the other end through one of the existing holes in the rear frame. while working at amf, we averaged 2 pins that went down the subway per week. after installing the cords, it dropped to less than one per month
Isn’t it a little dangerous to be wandering around the top of a pin spotter with that long what looks like lanyard keychain hanging out of your pocket?
when lowering the deck, how essential is it to hold up that lever? I didnt realise it was there and I used the belts hooked to the wheels to lower it. Thats not bad right, its just more tiring? If its bad i want to know
No, it's not bad. If you turn it the pulley without pulling the deck lowering hook, the deck will only go down for a short stroke as if it is picking up pins, but if you lift the deck lowering hook, it allows the deck to lower further, like it is setting new pins, and will provide more room for the mechanic.
Actually that wasn't a deck jam. That was pins on top of the deck that caused the turret frame to lift and open the turret safety switch to avoid snapping aluminum turret frame or cause other damage. FYI, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY PUT THE DAMMM ELECTRICAL BOX COVERS BACK ON.
at are center you don't have to pull the leaver you just have to turn the breaker of and there's a butter underneath the motor flick it up and spin the belt we have A MODEL MACHINES
They could have made it easier on themselves by pulling the deck holding hook (the lever) to set the machine to first ball, cleared only the jammed pins, instead of the entire deck, and set the machine to second ball, cycle, and then you're done.
How do you fix a lane that starts tossing pins out of the back of the machine where the pins that are being brought up from the bottom that are suppose to be released to the belt going up the top of the machine to the basket starts jamming up and then it tries to take extra pins in the notches that is already holding pins as it takes them up to the top. I cannot explain the problem that well, but I seen it happen a lot when I had family that use to fix the lanes when I lived on a air force base until 1992.
Jeff Knight I have boards up on the 7 pin side of my machines to keep that from happening. ZOT (I think they still do anyway) makes a kit you can buy and the installation is quite easy.
For anyone else with this issue: There's an elastic cord used for pin deflection mentioned in the manual. It's not perfect, but it helps. It makes it so the balls won't usually be able to carry a pin up the ball return. It sounds like you keep getting a pin wedged in the rails, the balls stack on each other, and then the balls push the cross conveyor belt off of the pulleys. Look into getting the cord. However, if you use boards to keep the pins in without getting the cord, it could cause much worse jams because the pins will still get carried.
Thanks for the info, old man at my job told me to fix this by reversing the clutch and holding up the lever, well i was sitting there just going at it forever realising the deck wasnt moving, i had done it before no issue so it was a real headscratcher. Didnt tell me that you had to flip that little release switch up first.
If you don't pull the cycle solenoid to engage the clutch, this won't work.
Proper Protocol for clearing a Deck Jam is as follows. 1. Shut the Pinsetter off with the circuit breaker. 2. Grab a Lock out box and unplug pinsetter and lock cord in box. 3. Engage the clutch on the pinsetter. 4 While Gently lifting up on the holding hook Rotate the Motor to Gearbox Belt Towards the 7pin side of machine. Once deck lower sufficiently to clear jammed pins. Once pins are cleared from the deck removing of pins in the chutes is optional but not required unless the black out is caused by the moving deck failure to shift. 5. Climb out of machine and Then plug back in and restore power to pinsetter. Run the pinsetter for one or two cycles and observe machine in action. Editors note. If you pull up too hard on the holding hook you will throw the first and second ball micro switch out of adjustment so you only need to pull up slowly on it til you hear a click
"This doesn't usually happen that much..."
Tell that to the centers that don't maintain their deck chutes and turrets :D
The "reset button" is actually the cycle solenoid, but when you pull the solenoid inwards, it acts like a reset, as it triggers the machine. The reset buttons energize the solenoid.
Looked this up because it happened to us when we were bowling.
Tip: You don’t need to clear out all the pins from deck just throw the miss fallen pins to the pit or just straighten up the pins that are already in the chutes.
This is horrible advice. The machine will just jam up again
Your lucky you have not been pulled into the belts with all the loose clothing and key strap that is dangling from your pocket. Practice safety first!!!!
Holy crap, I hadn't even noticed the lanyard. I noticed the clothes, but I was focusing too much on the strange procedure. This is not how we do it usually. Are you on an A2 or something else? We have A1s, so they might work a little differently.
I had the Deck Jam problem happen a lot to me as a Bowler when I was bowling back in High School in the 1990's. Great video to explain how they shut off the machine and manually lower the deck to empty the basket !
from what you describe it sounds more like a ball bringing a pin up as the ball goes up the lift rods. there is an easy fix for this. installing a pin-deflector cord stops pins from going up with the ball. it is a small bracket which snaps onto the 7 pin side and you attach a elastic bungee cord to the hook and the other end through one of the existing holes in the rear frame. while working at amf, we averaged 2 pins that went down the subway per week. after installing the cords, it dropped to less than one per month
Isn’t it a little dangerous to be wandering around the top of a pin spotter with that long what looks like lanyard keychain hanging out of your pocket?
when lowering the deck, how essential is it to hold up that lever? I didnt realise it was there and I used the belts hooked to the wheels to lower it. Thats not bad right, its just more tiring? If its bad i want to know
No, it's not bad. If you turn it the pulley without pulling the deck lowering hook, the deck will only go down for a short stroke as if it is picking up pins, but if you lift the deck lowering hook, it allows the deck to lower further, like it is setting new pins, and will provide more room for the mechanic.
What state is this elks at please?
Bedford, Virginia. I think this may be at the national headquarters of the Elks in Bedford.
Bedford, PA
Actually that wasn't a deck jam. That was pins on top of the deck that caused the turret frame to lift and open the turret safety switch to avoid snapping aluminum turret frame or cause other damage. FYI, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY PUT THE DAMMM ELECTRICAL BOX COVERS BACK ON.
I wish the camera guy learned how to record and shut up..you were doin great..
at are center you don't have to pull the leaver you just have to turn the breaker of and there's a butter underneath the motor flick it up and spin the belt we have A MODEL MACHINES
The machines in this video are a-2s so they clearly don't have that
They could have made it easier on themselves by pulling the deck holding hook (the lever) to set the machine to first ball, cleared only the jammed pins, instead of the entire deck, and set the machine to second ball, cycle, and then you're done.
sorry a1 machines
How do you fix a lane that starts tossing pins out of the back of the machine where the pins that are being brought up from the bottom that are suppose to be released to the belt going up the top of the machine to the basket starts jamming up and then it tries to take extra pins in the notches that is already holding pins as it takes them up to the top. I cannot explain the problem that well, but I seen it happen a lot when I had family that use to fix the lanes when I lived on a air force base until 1992.
Jeff Knight I have boards up on the 7 pin side of my machines to keep that from happening. ZOT (I think they still do anyway) makes a kit you can buy and the installation is quite easy.
For anyone else with this issue:
There's an elastic cord used for pin deflection mentioned in the manual. It's not perfect, but it helps. It makes it so the balls won't usually be able to carry a pin up the ball return. It sounds like you keep getting a pin wedged in the rails, the balls stack on each other, and then the balls push the cross conveyor belt off of the pulleys. Look into getting the cord. However, if you use boards to keep the pins in without getting the cord, it could cause much worse jams because the pins will still get carried.