My favorite chapter is the debunk of the Stanford experiment, and the Milgram experiment. How power corrupt is a powerful chapter that must be teach at university and schools.
Thank you so much for the book, I bought it for my super pessimistic dad just as I heard of it)) Looking forward to read it myself, too. It's an amazing and beautiful idea to have a different look at humankind. It only matters what you believe in and what you're ready to see in people ♥
Paul O'Flinn wrote Them and Us in Literature in 1954. In one essay he pointed out that the author of Lord of the Flies, William Golding, based the novel on selected and isolated middle-class private school boys . Paul says the author 's 4 years at Oxford University, 5 years as an Officer and 20 years as a grammar school teacher ... they are a heap of crap.
"The argument over whether humans are fundamentally good or evil has been raging on in earnest since 17th and 18th-century." Hobbes and Rousseau violently disagreed. Anyone know why Bregman has the definitive answer?
Not so sure I agree with a man who debunks the Stanford and Milgrim experiments that happened in the US. I was in the criminology program at USM in the 90’s and while we looked at both, the Stanford experiment sticks out in my mind. But only because, one of my other professors was working at the Texas prison and the guards would stomp on the prisons. When one would do it, another would join in. She left because of what they were doing. Group think is real and when people are in a group, the group takes on its own persona. People in a play take on the characteristics of the person they are portraying. Why wouldn’t prisoners and guard?
🙏💝💜❤PPLE R BASICALLY GOOD! THATS Y IT TK A SMART N GOOD PPLE/PERSON 2 WRITE THIS BASICALLY EXCELLENT BOOK, u said u cldnt understand y no1 ever THOUGHT ABT THIS STORY, thts bcause those wth SMALL MINDS DNT THINK OF BIG STORIES, THOSE STRANDED TEENS IS A BIG STORY THTS Y U WROTE IT T U.
Rousseau was right. The human species has been around 200,000. Farming for 12,000. And we have basically destroyed the planet for ourselves in that 12,000. Hunter-gatherer society lasted 15 times longer. And they didn't take down the planet with them.
Sure and about one in three hunter gatherers died violently - most commonly at the hands of other humans. But civilization actually changed that because we could communicate, cooperate, and empathize to build more successful communities. In doing so, we became locusts on the planet but we are learning about the effects we've had on the planet and we will most likely do the minimum and survive.
@@joythought He actually wrote about how huge structures have been built that predate farming, somewhere in turkey I think. Hunter gathers could communicate, cooperate and had complex societies, or else they wouldn't have been able to create those structures. They had language, but they had to need to write it down. I mean there were some plot holes in his book, but he covered everything you're talking about. Its obvious you haven't read the book, so please don't come after it like you have any legitimate arguments against him.
as natural adapting to the external environment , it forces people to adapt... power too: by existential threat, extortion or authorization for inhuman acts disclaimer of personal this is what the dictatorship does... it distorts people and it can happen anywhere at any time
How come we never have to teach children how to behave badly? It come naturally to all of us, because we're all sinners unfortunately. However, if you accept Christ and understand the Tora and Bible are based on truth rather then this guy's opinion, trust me, you'll have immediate joy filled with Everlasting life. All you have to do is accept Christ as our savior and shepherd. It takes all but 20 seconds. Take it from me, you instantly be filled with joy. Good luck to all who are falling into the great reset trap.
@@glayo_ Jesus is the way to the Father. He wants no one to perish. Repent and be saved. Ask to be forgiven. It is the only way. When you die, you WILL meet your maker. It is best to get right with him before that happens. I will pray that our Lord opens your eyes so that when you do meet him your sins will be forgiven. God bless you!
@@dianeconeby6887 Look I appreciate that you think that this is what's best for me. But let me put something simple to you. Where is the evidence?! There's been thousands upon thousands of years for evidence to be collected about the existence of a God, and none so far has been. My faith lies in people to do good to one another, and if these people are motivated by God and religion, then so be it.
@@glayo_ My comment was not mean to offend you. I realize not everyone believes. That is why we are told to have faith. I am not a Bible scholar by any means but I could give you countless examples and experiences in my 60 years of life that have led me to believe in the existence of God and that Jesus Christ is his son who came to die on this Earth for our sins and to be our atonement for those sins and to give us eternal life. There is proof of a lot of the historical points of the Bible including the existence of Jesus on Earth and his resurrection but like I said I'm not a scholar so I don't know how to point you to that. I'm sure it's something you could research if you chose to do so. A Ministry that I highly respect and listen to is called Ligonier Ministry and there are lots of resources there if you wanted to look. When a person is passionate about what they believe in and they believe it to be of the utmost importance then they usually share it with others and that's all that I was doing. May God bless you and lead you to the truth In this journey in life.
@@dianeconeby6887 @Diane Coneby Hey, hey, no please... I hope you can understand that I wasn't offended by what you had to say, but I was simply pointing out that there is quite literally no evidence to support what you are telling me to try and believe. I look at how far we have come in the past 200 years in terms of bettering our lives as people on this planet. None of these advances came from religion, they came from science. Science is evidence based, and only through evidence based progression have we been able to cure cancers, put man on the moon, travel at MACH 3, etc etc. Religion doesn't provide any progress other than a set of rules to live by. You talk about how you've experienced what you have over the course of your life, and that's totally valid. That's true to you and that's all that should matter. The reality is is that it was people, through science, evidence and reason, that have made all of ours lives better today than our ancestors of 200 years ago. The fact of the matter is, for most of civilised history, we had it really really tough. Religion has existed throughout all of that, and it really didn't improve peoples outcomes. Famine, disease and war tore lives apart. Only now, through evidence based thought, have we truly bettered ourselves. God, Jesus, religion didn't contribute to that. I ask you to really look at the world for how I see it. I do truly understand your way of understanding the world, but it just relies on blind faith. There is an utter absence of evidence.
Europians generally have much greater out group empathy than other ethnicities. And trust within a society goes down the more diverse it is. There's no evidence that what he's saying applies to our increasingly diverse society. Indeed it is becoming more polarized than ever.
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Excellent book. Great writer. Wonderful human being. Rutger Bregman is an international treasure.
My favorite chapter is the debunk of the Stanford experiment, and the Milgram experiment. How power corrupt is a powerful chapter that must be teach at university and schools.
I read the whole book in a week, what a great book!
Thank you so much for the book, I bought it for my super pessimistic dad just as I heard of it)) Looking forward to read it myself, too. It's an amazing and beautiful idea to have a different look at humankind. It only matters what you believe in and what you're ready to see in people ♥
read the whole book in like 3 days. An Excellent book.
You did such an amazing job summarizing the book.
I'm really looking forward to your next book summary.
Excellent book. Hope is an imperative in these times.
Related to this book is 'The doughnut economy' by Kate Raworth.
Paul O'Flinn wrote Them and Us in Literature in 1954. In one essay he pointed out that the author of Lord of the Flies, William Golding, based the novel on selected and isolated middle-class private school boys . Paul says the author 's 4 years at Oxford University, 5 years as an Officer and 20 years as a grammar school teacher ... they are a heap of crap.
Rutger Bregman is an evolved version of Malcolm Gladwell, who actually bases his work on true facts.
...as opposed to 'untrue' facts?
"The argument over whether humans are fundamentally good or evil has been raging on in earnest since 17th and 18th-century." Hobbes and Rousseau violently disagreed. Anyone know why Bregman has the definitive answer?
Outcome depends if there is a psychopath in the group or not!
Not so sure I agree with a man who debunks the Stanford and Milgrim experiments that happened in the US. I was in the criminology program at USM in the 90’s and while we looked at both, the Stanford experiment sticks out in my mind. But only because, one of my other professors was working at the Texas prison and the guards would stomp on the prisons. When one would do it, another would join in. She left because of what they were doing. Group think is real and when people are in a group, the group takes on its own persona. People in a play take on the characteristics of the person they are portraying. Why wouldn’t prisoners and guard?
🙏💝💜❤PPLE R BASICALLY GOOD! THATS Y IT TK A SMART N GOOD PPLE/PERSON 2 WRITE THIS BASICALLY EXCELLENT BOOK, u said u cldnt understand y no1 ever THOUGHT ABT THIS STORY, thts bcause those wth SMALL MINDS DNT THINK OF BIG STORIES, THOSE STRANDED TEENS IS A BIG STORY THTS Y U WROTE IT T U.
Rousseau was right. The human species has been around 200,000. Farming for 12,000. And we have basically destroyed the planet for ourselves in that 12,000. Hunter-gatherer society lasted 15 times longer. And they didn't take down the planet with them.
Sure and about one in three hunter gatherers died violently - most commonly at the hands of other humans. But civilization actually changed that because we could communicate, cooperate, and empathize to build more successful communities. In doing so, we became locusts on the planet but we are learning about the effects we've had on the planet and we will most likely do the minimum and survive.
@@joythought Read Bregman's book for a debunking of the violent hunter gatherers myth.
@@joythought He actually wrote about how huge structures have been built that predate farming, somewhere in turkey I think. Hunter gathers could communicate, cooperate and had complex societies, or else they wouldn't have been able to create those structures. They had language, but they had to need to write it down. I mean there were some plot holes in his book, but he covered everything you're talking about. Its obvious you haven't read the book, so please don't come after it like you have any legitimate arguments against him.
"Farming for 12,000. And we have basically destroyed the planet for ourselves in that 12,000." Oh dear!
as natural adapting to the external environment ,
it forces people to adapt... power too: by existential threat, extortion or authorization for inhuman acts disclaimer of personal this is what the dictatorship does... it distorts people and it can happen anywhere at any time
How come we never have to teach children how to behave badly? It come naturally to all of us, because we're all sinners unfortunately. However, if you accept Christ and understand the Tora and Bible are based on truth rather then this guy's opinion, trust me, you'll have immediate joy filled with Everlasting life. All you have to do is accept Christ as our savior and shepherd. It takes all but 20 seconds. Take it from me, you instantly be filled with joy. Good luck to all who are falling into the great reset trap.
Based on truth, really? Give me evidence that there exists a God or God's, that legitimise religion? Pro-tip: you can't.
@@glayo_ Jesus is the way to the Father. He wants no one to perish. Repent and be saved. Ask to be forgiven. It is the only way. When you die, you WILL meet your maker. It is best to get right with him before that happens. I will pray that our Lord opens your eyes so that when you do meet him your sins will be forgiven. God bless you!
@@dianeconeby6887 Look I appreciate that you think that this is what's best for me. But let me put something simple to you. Where is the evidence?! There's been thousands upon thousands of years for evidence to be collected about the existence of a God, and none so far has been. My faith lies in people to do good to one another, and if these people are motivated by God and religion, then so be it.
@@glayo_ My comment was not mean to offend you. I realize not everyone believes. That is why we are told to have faith. I am not a Bible scholar by any means but I could give you countless examples and experiences in my 60 years of life that have led me to believe in the existence of God and that Jesus Christ is his son who came to die on this Earth for our sins and to be our atonement for those sins and to give us eternal life. There is proof of a lot of the historical points of the Bible including the existence of Jesus on Earth and his resurrection but like I said I'm not a scholar so I don't know how to point you to that. I'm sure it's something you could research if you chose to do so. A Ministry that I highly respect and listen to is called Ligonier Ministry and there are lots of resources there if you wanted to look. When a person is passionate about what they believe in and they believe it to be of the utmost importance then they usually share it with others and that's all that I was doing. May God bless you and lead you to the truth In this journey in life.
@@dianeconeby6887 @Diane Coneby Hey, hey, no please... I hope you can understand that I wasn't offended by what you had to say, but I was simply pointing out that there is quite literally no evidence to support what you are telling me to try and believe. I look at how far we have come in the past 200 years in terms of bettering our lives as people on this planet. None of these advances came from religion, they came from science. Science is evidence based, and only through evidence based progression have we been able to cure cancers, put man on the moon, travel at MACH 3, etc etc. Religion doesn't provide any progress other than a set of rules to live by.
You talk about how you've experienced what you have over the course of your life, and that's totally valid. That's true to you and that's all that should matter.
The reality is is that it was people, through science, evidence and reason, that have made all of ours lives better today than our ancestors of 200 years ago. The fact of the matter is, for most of civilised history, we had it really really tough. Religion has existed throughout all of that, and it really didn't improve peoples outcomes. Famine, disease and war tore lives apart. Only now, through evidence based thought, have we truly bettered ourselves. God, Jesus, religion didn't contribute to that.
I ask you to really look at the world for how I see it. I do truly understand your way of understanding the world, but it just relies on blind faith. There is an utter absence of evidence.
Europians generally have much greater out group empathy than other ethnicities. And trust within a society goes down the more diverse it is. There's no evidence that what he's saying applies to our increasingly diverse society. Indeed it is becoming more polarized than ever.
Sorry you hate brown people so much you can't imagine possibly living with them
There are chapters in the book that can relate to this. Highly recommend the book even if you are skeptical.
Communism 2.0
Let's hope nobody gets purged this time.
"Everything I don't like or agree with is communism"