Dude this is a public service announcement and you are a humanitarian. the amount of work to go into this vid. must have been staggering. awesome job and thank you for the work you put in here.
UPDATE: As of A20.1 loot tiers have shifted. They are as follows: Tier 0 (1-41) Tier 1 (42-101) Tier 2 (102-191) Tier 3 (192+) After lootstage 290, you will no longer see changes to your loot. This is effectively the maximum lootstage, even if the game can display higher numbers.
Would you mind posting a link to a google doc to an updated lootstage graph with these figures, similar to what you had in the video at 10:05? Or do we just need to shift all tiers by the difference?
Good to know I'm just unlucky then lmao. In the Wasteland biome and inside a tier 3+ POI, my loot stage is 300, but the only level 6 gear I've found is from Trader mission rewards :/
so after max loot points it's only gameday that counts? I'm standin over 350 loot stage at day 45 (UL-mod) so I still need to wait 20+ more day to get max loot? I want to find that weapon that use .50cal
Wow, amazing every time how much time and effort you put into the research for these videos! Thank you for explaining this, because it's definitely something the group was wondering about. Now we know!!
Your loot explained videos and heat video were what brought me to you in the first place. I've never seen someone put that much effort and research into a deep dive video like that and also explain it so well! After that I watched the entire road series. Amazing job!
This was exactly what I was going to do! Thanks for asking. Tonight I’m going to find a tier 5 poi in the wasteland and start setting up my new horde base! HORDE BASE HOOO AH AH!!
pls make a video about the traders kits (the ones they give when passing to tier 2 missions and above) i want someone to explain to me all about them lol, great video as always, i like how the loot system works now
My friends and I haven't touched 7D2D since 2016/2017. We've gotten back into it recently and find your tutorials very helpful. I'm not a huge fan of long intros and outros but the way you section your videos and the large amound of effort that goes to them does not go unnocticed. Keep it up!
The lootstage boost from more difficult biomes seems very worth it, as long as the biome itself isn't going to kill you every time you step outside. I've found that you can get a lot of mileage out of putting level ups into a favorite ranged weapon perk and crafting a higher tier and quality than you have available to you. This'll let you complete quests more easily, which means you'll have the dukes to buy things outside your ability to craft or find.
My dude - you have such a remarkable brain. So cool of you to compile the math for the 7DTD community. Def hard to remember, but something to come back to when there's questions! Well done!
This is such a phenomenal breakdown. Really appreciate they way you approach things from both the data and mechanics side as well as a more practical application. I know personally I'm looking forwad to pushing into the more harsh biomes early game with lucky looter!
Usually I have a lot of fun researching this stuff for myself, but I play so many early access games that change so much over time, videos like this are really useful. You seem to go pretty in depth, and you don't waste much time or drag out your explanations. Very informative and concise. I'll definitely check out your other videos. EDIT: And you end it with a big explosion. Well done.
Great video and thanks for sharing. I have over 4000 hours in this game and your videos are almost always helpful. Please keep up the good work. Thanks, Chris
I want to say thank you for actually going through the game files. A lot of people will say something like "definitive" but it's just more of what they observed.
I’ve put a few hundred hours in this game . I definitely learned something and think the loot stages are a welcome change. I look forward to maximize my looting capabilities.
After gaining decent environmental protection, head to a snow biome nearby your starting town (in early game) and raid a few POIs. The loot will always be better than in the forest.
as a general rule, I personally open everything I see in a POI and always go with a quest there. It's all RNG you never know what you might find and when you might find it and the quest will help at the end with good loot, once i've found some medicinal loot in the trash when i needed it the most, so yeah check everything and keep on hoarding :D
Hot damn Tem talk about doing your homework, great stuff on digging all this date up. I can tell this took you a tremendous amount of time. I know for sure this will also bring more eyes to GNS. Its how I found your channel with your Alpha 19 Loot Table video.
Huh the change to lucky looter is an interesting one. VERY handy if you want to minmax your loot potential by leaving the forest and heading for the snow or wasteland, and it just gets handier as you both level up and poi tier level up. Not so useful, at least early game, in the forest. But I like it. Last time it was barely useful for bumping to the next tier sooner in alpha 19 and for end game boosts to tier 3 loot quality and numbers. It might be worth putting points into once I get my primary build setup and am ready to spread out into supplementary skills.
Side observation: I'm assuming that loot stage affects zombie drops, or "Z-packs". I wonder if you were settled near an alternate biome to the pine forest, if it would be "better" to build a horde base in that biome and acquire better loot through the zombie loot bags by morning versus if you were in the forest. Fantastic analysis in this video, this obviously took many hours to create and test. We, the 7D2D community, thank you for your effort and time. :)
Loot stage affects the loot within z-packs but not the type of pack that is dropped. Things like feral wights, mutated, and lumberjacks can drop the blue bags, and demos can drop the red bags. So living in the snow or wasteland gives you higher probability of getting the better bags and you get better lootstage so better stuff in the bags too
@@GunsNerdsandSteel You said that snow/wasteland gives a "higher probability" of better bags. That's just in general, right - not for horde nights? I'm guessing horde nights still have the same general zombies depending on gamestage/night number regardless of biome, right?
Amazing video brother! I COMPLETELY forgot about the biome tier increase! I’ve been chilling in my forest base all the way to lvl 65 and I’ve been annoyed at the same ol’ loot only minorly improving! DANG IT!!
I remember in Alpha 19 at around game stage 100 or so, I'd still find a few level 6 blunderbuss' every day regardless of what POI I was raiding. I even found one inside a pile of trash in the middle of nowhere.
I used to primarily skill Lucky Looter first, because of an older run where I only found busted gear for that stage. Now I know why that doesn't work anymore.
Great video! I was only looking for a little bit of information, but I got the whole kit and caboodle with this one! My friends and I just started a new game and as usual we plopped down close to where we started (forest), so I'll be looking to convince them to moving our base a bit closer to wasteland, or at least snow, for the 'free' lootstage bonus.
I am not much for testing, but I got an idea in my head while at the trader turning in a quest and tried it out and it might be something worth testing. I am not sure if the contents are predetermined or random, but the loot packs you get from the trader seem to be affected by loot stage as well. I took the SMG pack from the trader in the green grass biome. Instead of just opening it where I was, I took it into the edge of the wasteland, put on lucky looter goggles, used an eye candy and opened it. I got a quality 6 SMG-5 and 300 rounds of 9 mil from the box. I was only level 27 at the time. So the packs might be awesome to store up and open in a higher tier biome, or it might have just been stupid dumb luck. Thought I would mention it for those who like to test such things.
Is that the A19 loot introduction chart you are showing @ 10:15? If so, that chart doesn't reference the new primitive weapons so does all of the other information translate over to A20? I am confused, because when I look at the xml for lootprobtemplate for T3 it shows that you must have a loot level of 118 minimum (not 90+ as it was in A19) before you have a chance at any T3 weapons.. or am I misreading something here?
Hmm I had a closer look and I think you are correct. Yes, I am using the A19 loot progression chart because there isn't one for A20 and its a great visual tool to help explain loot. But yeah at first glance I do think the tiers have shifted a bit. It appears to be Tier 0 (1-39), Tier 1 (40-79), Tier 2 (80-117), Tier 3 (118+). I'm going to update the pinned comment with this new information, thank you for pointing this out!
idk how you figured this out but this is amazing. Im day 60 ish in the wasteland with level 4 looter perk and ive found maybe 8 pink augers but i still havent found a pink steel pickaxe. I dont understand the math but great video! and as i unpaused and watched another 30 seconds... i realized why i never found a pink steel pickaxe but keep finding augers, which is kind of annoying... so now knowing this, ill have to purposely lower my loot stage to hopefully find one. and i dont feel like doing the math, so i guess im stuck with the t5 steel pickaxe. again thanks for the video and im sorry by a21, all of your hard work done here will probably be obsolete lol
Great video and quite a bit of information in it. For some parts, I still disagree with it. First point is the building tier's relation to loot stage. The bonus is flat 3 per tier, as you said, added to the flat bonus of the biome, lucky goggles and Eye Kandy. However, the flat amount doesn't scale per level. Instead there is a +5% per tier to loot stage as well, added to the biome's percentage. The way you interpreted it may quite well provide the same numbers as a result, but the way it's calculated is a bit different. Secondly, there is a loot bonus for a container as well, if it's the last "big" loot box in a POI. The value is a flat +6 and 5%, added respectively to the other bonuses I've already mentioned. Thirdly, while this isn't something you said that I would disagree on, I would at least mention that a) the chart linked is for A19 and b) the chart is made by The Fun Pimps and the link to it can be found in the loot.xml. Overall this comment's purpose is not to downplay your efforts on this video, as you do explain the loot in a way that is well enough for most of the players not looking to min-max their way of looting. However, to a nerd like me, these fine details are something that keep me awake at nights :P. Keep doing what you do!
@@GunsNerdsandSteel Both really. The first one can be seen in loot.xml on like 8. The second one is in the containers' properties in blocks.xml, starting from the line 21546. For the order the bonuses are calculated, I just tested different combinations of the bonuses from different sources.
The file is an A19 spreadsheet, as you see _game_ stage is listed across the top, doesnt show loot stage. But the graphic does illustrate how tiers are layered
Great video, I don't really try to Min./Max. my gameplay but having a good idea of how game mechanics work is very helpful. I quite often put a point into Lucky looter or salvage operations early game because even if they aren't great right away you will already have them when you pass a certain threshold and won't need to level up to start benefitting from them. Of course I usually build my character with Intellect as primary backed up with perception and fortitude because nothing beats a nerd with a machine gun and explosives.
I checked back a few times but I didn't see if you said does this loot tier system effect item drop bags from killing zombies? As in should I build my horde base inside a POI or in a more challenging zone?
No loot stage does not affect the probability that a loot bag will drop. However, it can affect the loot that you get out of one. Moreover, if you live in the snow biome you will have more lumberjacks around and they can drop the blue loot bag so I would say that is your best place to live if you want good loot bags
This video was great and all, but where do I find Acid!!! (Also this video was amazing, thank you for the in depth information and top notch video quality)
Wow. Loot stage in 7 days always confused me now I have better understanding of my confusion. Haha 🤣 But seriously love your breakdowns of this kind of nerdy stuff. 💙😊💯
Sweet god thank you. I somewhat understood lootstage but this is so helpful in letting me understand why I keep finding terrible garbage all over the place. So many damn cans.
@@GunsNerdsandSteel Ya it seems... really bad. Which sucks cuz that's where you start of Navezgane and the Wasteland is too rough and the Tundra is freezing, thus leaving the desert that I need to find.
Just posted a couple of times about loot on your latest LP vid. Must've been the Force predicting this vid for me, though not so proficient or I'd have waited to see this and posted those here instead LOL. I don't seem the only one to notice acid in short supply but I have also noticed low drops for robotics parts and honey too. The robotic parts, meh, I can see why they'd be rarer while maybe the honey is because stumps where you used to have a good chance to get it are in the wilderness, with no bonus? Still would be an issue for honey though, you kinda rely on it. When you find more antibiotics than honey, while herbal even rarer, something is up. Also, I was finding pipe weapons in the wasteland with a loot bonus in the 200's. Yet to find a machine gun that's not pipe and only one actual pistol, quality 2 early game. Not found one double barrelled shotgun but have found several pump shotguns, best in wasteland but several in temperate forest too. Yet to find a pipe shotgun either, though several pistols and machine guns, mostly the latter. Maybe this is due to me exploring quest POIs for the rewards, rather than just popping in anywhere as I feel like it as I did previously? My MP game I just started, we have found one shotgun, one pistol and one machine gun pipe weapons so far on day 1. Possibly due to my accelerated levelling bonus for my SP game there's some quirk there but it doesn't explain (unless exceptionally bad luck) 20 stumps (that was just me, dunno how many my fellows whacked but they've yet to find any either), zero honey in MP game with standard exp. As I said in your other vid, worrying if you can't find the damned stuff that's needed for early levels.
I'd have to dig deeper but I do feel as though weapon drops in loot have been turned down. I looted something like 50 tier 5 chests with MAX lootstage and only pulled out like 25 weapons... Granted most of them were quality 6 tech 3 weapons, but still.
@@GunsNerdsandSteel Now you mention it, loot quality also odd. Armour is just silly at this point when I've rarely found anything that isn't quality 6, exception being steel and quest rewards, but zero quality 6 weapons or tools except for stone ones. Quality 5 is max on those so far. Again, could be due to my accelerated levelling plus the forest biome mainly. I should spend more time in the wasteland, see if it helps, which it should. IIRC my loot stage in the forest is 90+ which is likely an issue. It was in the 200's, want to say 241 but I slept since then, in the wasteland but the pump shotgun I found was quality 5, as were a couple of pipe weapons and a steel pickaxe. Also found quality 5 pipe weapons and 2 steel pickaxes and 1 quality 5 iron shovel in the forest biome btw.
I did max out LL as soon as possible in my latest game at Warrior difficulty (and Daring adventurer and Better Barter and Salvage operation and Treasure hunter basically tested my mercenary build and just did looting and quests day and night) and I must say having a lvl 6 auto shotgun, a lvl 5 M60, a lvl 5 sniper rifle, a lvl 6 SMG, a lvl 4 Magnum, a mix of lvl 4 and 5 iron and steel armor and so much ammo I can't store it in my base looting/trading and doing quests still feels broken. Not to mention I bought a motorcycle before day 10 for money, since then I bought a 4x4 and I still have 140k+ money left at day 21. I also did most of my looting in a snow biome and last 7 days was in a big city with huge POIs, they were kinda challenging, at one point a big office building (a multi level Crack a book building with a basement) sent 40+ zombies after me, most of them feral and special like soldiers, lumberjacks, wights, cops, bikers, etc. It was bonkers.
does mean we can skip the pipe weapons as long as we maximize our loot stage at 60 and above, like its day 5 and lvl 12 already, with the loot bonuses from the goggles and candy, invest 2 points to lucky looter then we can get tier 1 weapons? or is it gated to some degree even if we are at loot stage 80 we still get them pipe weapons but with better quality.
question I have a closed server with a few friends. Had a friend of a friend join and they used console commands to summon items. I didnt have this blocked because my freinds are new to the game and i want the ability to help my friends out if there was a glitch death or loss of items. well we are in day 10 and getting steel items drops because what the guy did. Is there a command i can use to reset the loot stage or gamestage so we dont have to start over? there was Demo zombies in first horde night. Thanks for all your vids. they are super helpful.
I somehow managed to skip over the pump shotguns in my run and found an auto shotgun. Good to know that it was because of location, level, and POI and not just me being insanely lucky
Thanks for the brilliant explanation! This game is amazing! I have a question: What determines the item quality you get from Tier 5 missions, and in the trader's secret stash (other than the perk for better secret stash)? Because I maxed out Better Barter (or whatever the perk for better items in the trader's secret stash was), and even then I was only getting level 2-3 Military Armor. I was a pretty high level too, like almost level 100. Are there other forces at play when the item levels in trader's secret stash and/or from quests (other than the perk for a better secret stash and how high a tier you quest just did) are determined? How can I get the trader to sell me level 6 military armor for example? Thanks to anyone in advance for the explanation :)
Okay I'll try to explain the best I can briefly. Trader inventory is not dependent on day, gamestage, or lootstage. Traders on day 1 will have the same chances of spawning inventory as they have on day 1000. Quest rewards are different. Based on tier, you can have access to certain groups of loot. Furthermore, better loot is unlocked with higher lootstage. So you'll get better quest items the more you level up and the higher your quest tier is.
I had no idea how this worked in a20, but I usually up the zombie spawn rate and decided to make a base in the wasteland because the forest is too quiet and boring and last night my loot stage was 619. I have no idea if thats super high or not but I was surprised because it was MUCH lower in the forest when I was going back to my old base to get resources. Wasteland with upped zombie spawns and decreased spawn delay is amazing!
Damn good videos as always! So excited about the new alpha 20. It's too bad the only way I can play most games is by using GeForce Now, and the new alpha hasn't been uploaded as of yet. Hopefully they will soon, but until then, I'll have to live my life through your videos. lol =]
I always get Lucky Looter at the start of a game and its never even entered my mind the percentage increase the perks give. It's always and will forever be for me about that faster looting. That shit adds up. 10, then 20, then jumping up to 40% faster? That's a crazy amount of time saved when you're opening hundreds of small containers. That's less time standing around and more time doing other things. It's painful at the start with baseline loot speed.
Great information. This will change how I play the game. Thanks You mentioned that the Shotgun Messiah is a Tier 5 location, is there a list of other POIs by Tier for Navezgame ?
Thanks for this. I've been wondering why I'm still finding stone age crap and q1 iron tools at lootstage 38; turns out I'm still in baby loot tier. I've had pretty negative thoughts on how TFP have handled crafting from A17 forward, but my crafted tools and armors are easing the sting a little. Still bitter about the endless supply of paper in bookshelves, though, in place of actual books/schematics. I get more books from trash than I do the container that's supposed to specialize in dropping books.
Yeah. But what percentage of literature is survival-related after all? Its just realistic to find mainly stupid gossip magazines or normal books only useful for reading and paper instead of useful books. The trash thing is just unnatural, its even more op than before now.
@@robertbretschneider765 While I understand that argument (and it's been made to death anytime someone criticizes any aspect of the current loot balance), I still find it frustrating based on the more arcade-like nature of the game. The same argument should apply to opening commercial shipping crates and finding murky water instead of mineral water, jerry-rigged stone tools instead of commercial grade steel tools, or backyard pipe guns instead of properly manufactured firearms. This isn't even taking into account the fact that primers just somehow don't exist in this universe. But I know I'm not going to convince you or the rest of the "book realism" crowd, and that's ok. I'm not trying to, and I'm not trying to belittle your preferences. I'm just shouting frustration in to the void. My "issue" (not that it really is one) is fixed in Darkness Falls, anyway.
@@robertbretschneider765 My bad, that part came across as derogatory, contrary to how it sounded in my head. Tone in text is hard! Regardless, enjoy the videos. My bitching aside, it's still a game I'd recommend trying, if it at all provokes interest. Especially when on sale.
@@fengeir Thank u! If, by any means, i get my poor life as a messy master student in order, get a job and some money, then i will start my 7 days adventure for sure! ^^ At the moment, my ages old laptop cant even play minecraft anymore without crushing down.
was typing the question about books and if they're affected, when you answered it, lol. DId have a general question though: Have you noticed the same loot containers tend to have the same loot? It seemed in a19 it was a little more random, but as I hit the same nearby POIs on our multiplayer servers (Salty Zombies) I tend to get duplicates of what I got the day before quite often. Anyone else seeing the same thing?
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Dude this is a public service announcement and you are a humanitarian. the amount of work to go into this vid. must have been staggering. awesome job and thank you for the work you put in here.
Glad to help!
I’m glad you understood all I took from this is loot hard places 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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UPDATE: As of A20.1 loot tiers have shifted. They are as follows:
Tier 0 (1-41)
Tier 1 (42-101)
Tier 2 (102-191)
Tier 3 (192+)
After lootstage 290, you will no longer see changes to your loot. This is effectively the maximum lootstage, even if the game can display higher numbers.
Would you mind posting a link to a google doc to an updated lootstage graph with these figures, similar to what you had in the video at 10:05? Or do we just need to shift all tiers by the difference?
Good to know I'm just unlucky then lmao. In the Wasteland biome and inside a tier 3+ POI, my loot stage is 300, but the only level 6 gear I've found is from Trader mission rewards :/
so after max loot points it's only gameday that counts? I'm standin over 350 loot stage at day 45 (UL-mod) so I still need to wait 20+ more day to get max loot? I want to find that weapon that use .50cal
Wow, amazing every time how much time and effort you put into the research for these videos! Thank you for explaining this, because it's definitely something the group was wondering about. Now we know!!
My pleasure!
@@GunsNerdsandSteel agreed. Your videos are exceptional!
Agreed again fantastic content deserves a million views and more!
I have yet to play, but I love the educational vids
Your loot explained videos and heat video were what brought me to you in the first place. I've never seen someone put that much effort and research into a deep dive video like that and also explain it so well! After that I watched the entire road series. Amazing job!
I appreciate that!
So what if I turn a tier 5 POI into my horde base? Will I get auto loot bonus on opening those horde night loot bags?
Yes. Amazing idea actually!
@@GunsNerdsandSteel I guess we will see several horde bases in wasteland tier 5 POIs then, i suppose. ^^
This was exactly what I was going to do! Thanks for asking. Tonight I’m going to find a tier 5 poi in the wasteland and start setting up my new horde base! HORDE BASE HOOO AH AH!!
You madman, now they are gonna have to find a workaround so we cant do that lol
@@lyonspride5361 They already made the wasteland much more dangerous... so thats that. ^^
pls make a video about the traders kits (the ones they give when passing to tier 2 missions and above) i want someone to explain to me all about them lol, great video as always, i like how the loot system works now
I'll be doing a trader video in the future 👍
My friends and I haven't touched 7D2D since 2016/2017. We've gotten back into it recently and find your tutorials very helpful. I'm not a huge fan of long intros and outros but the way you section your videos and the large amound of effort that goes to them does not go unnocticed. Keep it up!
Thanks I appreciate that!
The lootstage boost from more difficult biomes seems very worth it, as long as the biome itself isn't going to kill you every time you step outside. I've found that you can get a lot of mileage out of putting level ups into a favorite ranged weapon perk and crafting a higher tier and quality than you have available to you.
This'll let you complete quests more easily, which means you'll have the dukes to buy things outside your ability to craft or find.
Agreed, focus on being a better fighter and the loot will follow
Survival first, loot second. You can't loot if you can't live.
That's something I noticed. My crafting level affects the loot and items traders offer.
My dude - you have such a remarkable brain. So cool of you to compile the math for the 7DTD community. Def hard to remember, but something to come back to when there's questions! Well done!
My only hope is that the fun pimps don't completely change everything with the next patch 🤣
This is such a phenomenal breakdown. Really appreciate they way you approach things from both the data and mechanics side as well as a more practical application. I know personally I'm looking forwad to pushing into the more harsh biomes early game with lucky looter!
This makes day trips into the wasteland sound SO much more fun!
Bro this is like the perfect guide, nothing was left unexplained and everything was extremely easy to understand, thank you!
Glad you liked it!
8:44 Captain Falcon:YES!
Thank you sir,!
this is the answer I've been looking for for a long time
Usually I have a lot of fun researching this stuff for myself, but I play so many early access games that change so much over time, videos like this are really useful. You seem to go pretty in depth, and you don't waste much time or drag out your explanations. Very informative and concise. I'll definitely check out your other videos.
EDIT: And you end it with a big explosion. Well done.
Haha thanks!
Great video and thanks for sharing. I have over 4000 hours in this game and your videos are almost always helpful. Please keep up the good work. Thanks, Chris
Thanks, will do!
I want to say thank you for actually going through the game files. A lot of people will say something like "definitive" but it's just more of what they observed.
Thank you sir. A gentleman and scholar as always. I and I'm sure many others really appreciate your dedication to delivering such informative content.
Thank you kindly
not only informative, but funny, punch your dog in the nuts ROFL!
I’ve put a few hundred hours in this game . I definitely learned something and think the loot stages are a welcome change. I look forward to maximize my looting capabilities.
What are your tips for finding the best loot?
I dont think there's a best loot, persay. To me it's like what do i need &/or would like. But I'm not a permadeath character.
After gaining decent environmental protection, head to a snow biome nearby your starting town (in early game) and raid a few POIs. The loot will always be better than in the forest.
Beating my friends to opening the loot.
Put a point into lock picking so you can make your own because they break really easy now
as a general rule, I personally open everything I see in a POI and always go with a quest there. It's all RNG you never know what you might find and when you might find it and the quest will help at the end with good loot, once i've found some medicinal loot in the trash when i needed it the most, so yeah check everything and keep on hoarding :D
Hot damn Tem talk about doing your homework, great stuff on digging all this date up. I can tell this took you a tremendous amount of time. I know for sure this will also bring more eyes to GNS. Its how I found your channel with your Alpha 19 Loot Table video.
Been working on this all week, I need a break from tutorials! Back to Frostbite for a few weeks!
@@GunsNerdsandSteel I can definitely tell and that sounds good man looking forward to more Frostbite
I mostly know about this but wasn't very sure about the loot bonus on top of the bonus that already existed thanks
It certainly took some time to figure out which ones were calculated first
was waiting for this well done GNS
I appreciate that!
Thanks for the info man. Always good to have this broken down into something that's actually a bit more simple to understand.
Glad to help!
Just started playing this game again, your time and effort is much appreciated.
Huh the change to lucky looter is an interesting one. VERY handy if you want to minmax your loot potential by leaving the forest and heading for the snow or wasteland, and it just gets handier as you both level up and poi tier level up. Not so useful, at least early game, in the forest. But I like it. Last time it was barely useful for bumping to the next tier sooner in alpha 19 and for end game boosts to tier 3 loot quality and numbers. It might be worth putting points into once I get my primary build setup and am ready to spread out into supplementary skills.
I agree, if you're in the snow biome it's probably worth taking after you get some of the basic survival skills down
Outstanding work! This is a fantastic guide and glad that the youtube algorithm brought me here. Liked and Subbed!
Awesome, thanks!
Yay, finally a 7DtD youtuber that's knowledgeable, speaks well, and isn't annoying. Thanks for the video; you have a new subscriber now.
Awesome, thank you!
Side observation: I'm assuming that loot stage affects zombie drops, or "Z-packs". I wonder if you were settled near an alternate biome to the pine forest, if it would be "better" to build a horde base in that biome and acquire better loot through the zombie loot bags by morning versus if you were in the forest.
Fantastic analysis in this video, this obviously took many hours to create and test. We, the 7D2D community, thank you for your effort and time. :)
Loot stage affects the loot within z-packs but not the type of pack that is dropped. Things like feral wights, mutated, and lumberjacks can drop the blue bags, and demos can drop the red bags. So living in the snow or wasteland gives you higher probability of getting the better bags and you get better lootstage so better stuff in the bags too
@@GunsNerdsandSteel You said that snow/wasteland gives a "higher probability" of better bags. That's just in general, right - not for horde nights? I'm guessing horde nights still have the same general zombies depending on gamestage/night number regardless of biome, right?
Amazing video brother! I COMPLETELY forgot about the biome tier increase! I’ve been chilling in my forest base all the way to lvl 65 and I’ve been annoyed at the same ol’ loot only minorly improving! DANG IT!!
Time for an expedition!
Great follow up from your A19 Loot explained video. Keep up the great content and awesome editing on the game play series.
Thanks!
I remember in Alpha 19 at around game stage 100 or so, I'd still find a few level 6 blunderbuss' every day regardless of what POI I was raiding. I even found one inside a pile of trash in the middle of nowhere.
Perhaps the blunderbuss was considered its own weapon type and not necessarily a tech zero, not sure
Good Job man quality content!!!
Thank you!
I definitely know what it takes man and you got It a while back I made Vr videos its not easy preparation
Another well detailed and clear guide, you're standing out my dude, good job
Much appreciated!
I used to primarily skill Lucky Looter first, because of an older run where I only found busted gear for that stage. Now I know why that doesn't work anymore.
Yeah better to hold of on LL for a while I think
Thank you for the effort and love you put into these videos. Your work matters a lot and helps many players, thank you!
Just by looking at this one video, i see how much effort you put into those. I will surely watch other tips and tricks, great work!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video! I was only looking for a little bit of information, but I got the whole kit and caboodle with this one! My friends and I just started a new game and as usual we plopped down close to where we started (forest), so I'll be looking to convince them to moving our base a bit closer to wasteland, or at least snow, for the 'free' lootstage bonus.
Comment for algorithmic porpoises, also am I missing something or did you not put the link to the loot tables in the description yet?
Ah yes thanks, fixed!
Holy crap, dude... AAZING VIDEO!! Taking SSs of every bit of information about Loot Stage! Keep it up!
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Thanks for the sub!
Great channel, how have i only just found this!
Thanks! Glad TH-cam directed you my way finally 😀
I am not much for testing, but I got an idea in my head while at the trader turning in a quest and tried it out and it might be something worth testing. I am not sure if the contents are predetermined or random, but the loot packs you get from the trader seem to be affected by loot stage as well. I took the SMG pack from the trader in the green grass biome. Instead of just opening it where I was, I took it into the edge of the wasteland, put on lucky looter goggles, used an eye candy and opened it. I got a quality 6 SMG-5 and 300 rounds of 9 mil from the box. I was only level 27 at the time. So the packs might be awesome to store up and open in a higher tier biome, or it might have just been stupid dumb luck. Thought I would mention it for those who like to test such things.
I'm gonna have to try that xD What tier of quest complete was it, too?
@@Gr0nal I want to say tier 2 or 3 completion
I really appreciate these guides and updates for the new loot system. It helps understand and thrive in the new updates. Keep it up!
Glad I could help!
This is probably the most help 7 days video ive ever watched 👌
This really helps, thanks for the information!
Glad it was helpful!
Amazing as usual thanks for the info!
Sure thing!
This is the best explanation I have seen in years👍👍👍 thanks
Glad you liked it!
Is that the A19 loot introduction chart you are showing @ 10:15? If so, that chart doesn't reference the new primitive weapons so does all of the other information translate over to A20? I am confused, because when I look at the xml for lootprobtemplate for T3 it shows that you must have a loot level of 118 minimum (not 90+ as it was in A19) before you have a chance at any T3 weapons.. or am I misreading something here?
Hmm I had a closer look and I think you are correct. Yes, I am using the A19 loot progression chart because there isn't one for A20 and its a great visual tool to help explain loot. But yeah at first glance I do think the tiers have shifted a bit. It appears to be Tier 0 (1-39), Tier 1 (40-79), Tier 2 (80-117), Tier 3 (118+). I'm going to update the pinned comment with this new information, thank you for pointing this out!
I am rolling after that 'punch in the nuts' comment. That poor zombie dog!
When I blew him up with dynamite he was airborne for a good 15 seconds 😆
Love the video!
Thank you!!
Excellent video
Thank you very much!
I was already enjoying the content but the second you said I hope I earned your Subscription today I immediately subbed bro love the attitude
I will always use your loot explanation as my know all. So thanks for the time, effort and time you put in. I know it takes a lot of time! Good job
My pleasure, thanks!
Very, very thorough. Liked and subscribed
Awesome, welcome!
idk how you figured this out but this is amazing. Im day 60 ish in the wasteland with level 4 looter perk and ive found maybe 8 pink augers but i still havent found a pink steel pickaxe. I dont understand the math but great video!
and as i unpaused and watched another 30 seconds... i realized why i never found a pink steel pickaxe but keep finding augers, which is kind of annoying... so now knowing this, ill have to purposely lower my loot stage to hopefully find one. and i dont feel like doing the math, so i guess im stuck with the t5 steel pickaxe. again thanks for the video and im sorry by a21, all of your hard work done here will probably be obsolete lol
Great video and quite a bit of information in it. For some parts, I still disagree with it. First point is the building tier's relation to loot stage. The bonus is flat 3 per tier, as you said, added to the flat bonus of the biome, lucky goggles and Eye Kandy. However, the flat amount doesn't scale per level. Instead there is a +5% per tier to loot stage as well, added to the biome's percentage. The way you interpreted it may quite well provide the same numbers as a result, but the way it's calculated is a bit different.
Secondly, there is a loot bonus for a container as well, if it's the last "big" loot box in a POI. The value is a flat +6 and 5%, added respectively to the other bonuses I've already mentioned.
Thirdly, while this isn't something you said that I would disagree on, I would at least mention that a) the chart linked is for A19 and b) the chart is made by The Fun Pimps and the link to it can be found in the loot.xml.
Overall this comment's purpose is not to downplay your efforts on this video, as you do explain the loot in a way that is well enough for most of the players not looking to min-max their way of looting. However, to a nerd like me, these fine details are something that keep me awake at nights :P. Keep doing what you do!
Interesting stuff! I'm curious if you got this info from the xmls or through testing? I would like to confirm 😉
@@GunsNerdsandSteel Both really. The first one can be seen in loot.xml on like 8. The second one is in the containers' properties in blocks.xml, starting from the line 21546. For the order the bonuses are calculated, I just tested different combinations of the bonuses from different sources.
This game is very overwhelming especially if you just started this game like I have! Thank you this is very useful.
Thanks for all the excellent info presenting quickly and concisely. Great job!
The file is an A19 spreadsheet, as you see _game_ stage is listed across the top, doesnt show loot stage. But the graphic does illustrate how tiers are layered
Great video, I don't really try to Min./Max. my gameplay but having a good idea of how game mechanics work is very helpful. I quite often put a point into Lucky looter or salvage operations early game because even if they aren't great right away you will already have them when you pass a certain threshold and won't need to level up to start benefitting from them. Of course I usually build my character with Intellect as primary backed up with perception and fortitude because nothing beats a nerd with a machine gun and explosives.
Sounds like a fun loadout!
I checked back a few times but I didn't see if you said does this loot tier system effect item drop bags from killing zombies? As in should I build my horde base inside a POI or in a more challenging zone?
No loot stage does not affect the probability that a loot bag will drop. However, it can affect the loot that you get out of one. Moreover, if you live in the snow biome you will have more lumberjacks around and they can drop the blue loot bag so I would say that is your best place to live if you want good loot bags
This video was great and all, but where do I find Acid!!!
(Also this video was amazing, thank you for the in depth information and top notch video quality)
I appreciate that and I am having trouble with acid as well
Ayy cool new channel to watch. Hype! Appreciate the vid
Cool, welcome 😀
Actually informative.
Thanks dude
My pleasure
This video looted my heart! Instant like! :)
Good shit! Love how you explain everything so clearly, thanks for the info!
My pleasure!
wow...such a great job! thank you for all the hard work you did for us!
My pleasure!
Wow. Loot stage in 7 days always confused me now I have better understanding of my confusion. Haha 🤣 But seriously love your breakdowns of this kind of nerdy stuff. 💙😊💯
I was super confused too, I didn't realize how complicated it was until I started testing!
wow, this is crazy, very useful vid, thanks for your hard woek.
You're welcome
Thanks once again for all the explanation !
My pleasure!
SO much effort into the videos and quick and easy understanding, +1 sub I hope to see more!
Sweet god thank you. I somewhat understood lootstage but this is so helpful in letting me understand why I keep finding terrible garbage all over the place.
So many damn cans.
It's almost not worth it to live in the forest biome
@@GunsNerdsandSteel Ya it seems... really bad. Which sucks cuz that's where you start of Navezgane and the Wasteland is too rough and the Tundra is freezing, thus leaving the desert that I need to find.
Really good info, very well detailed. Thank you for the video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Excellent explanation of the new loot system.
Just posted a couple of times about loot on your latest LP vid. Must've been the Force predicting this vid for me, though not so proficient or I'd have waited to see this and posted those here instead LOL.
I don't seem the only one to notice acid in short supply but I have also noticed low drops for robotics parts and honey too. The robotic parts, meh, I can see why they'd be rarer while maybe the honey is because stumps where you used to have a good chance to get it are in the wilderness, with no bonus? Still would be an issue for honey though, you kinda rely on it. When you find more antibiotics than honey, while herbal even rarer, something is up.
Also, I was finding pipe weapons in the wasteland with a loot bonus in the 200's. Yet to find a machine gun that's not pipe and only one actual pistol, quality 2 early game. Not found one double barrelled shotgun but have found several pump shotguns, best in wasteland but several in temperate forest too. Yet to find a pipe shotgun either, though several pistols and machine guns, mostly the latter. Maybe this is due to me exploring quest POIs for the rewards, rather than just popping in anywhere as I feel like it as I did previously?
My MP game I just started, we have found one shotgun, one pistol and one machine gun pipe weapons so far on day 1. Possibly due to my accelerated levelling bonus for my SP game there's some quirk there but it doesn't explain (unless exceptionally bad luck) 20 stumps (that was just me, dunno how many my fellows whacked but they've yet to find any either), zero honey in MP game with standard exp. As I said in your other vid, worrying if you can't find the damned stuff that's needed for early levels.
I'd have to dig deeper but I do feel as though weapon drops in loot have been turned down. I looted something like 50 tier 5 chests with MAX lootstage and only pulled out like 25 weapons... Granted most of them were quality 6 tech 3 weapons, but still.
@@GunsNerdsandSteel Now you mention it, loot quality also odd. Armour is just silly at this point when I've rarely found anything that isn't quality 6, exception being steel and quest rewards, but zero quality 6 weapons or tools except for stone ones. Quality 5 is max on those so far. Again, could be due to my accelerated levelling plus the forest biome mainly. I should spend more time in the wasteland, see if it helps, which it should. IIRC my loot stage in the forest is 90+ which is likely an issue. It was in the 200's, want to say 241 but I slept since then, in the wasteland but the pump shotgun I found was quality 5, as were a couple of pipe weapons and a steel pickaxe. Also found quality 5 pipe weapons and 2 steel pickaxes and 1 quality 5 iron shovel in the forest biome btw.
I did max out LL as soon as possible in my latest game at Warrior difficulty (and Daring adventurer and Better Barter and Salvage operation and Treasure hunter basically tested my mercenary build and just did looting and quests day and night) and I must say having a lvl 6 auto shotgun, a lvl 5 M60, a lvl 5 sniper rifle, a lvl 6 SMG, a lvl 4 Magnum, a mix of lvl 4 and 5 iron and steel armor and so much ammo I can't store it in my base looting/trading and doing quests still feels broken.
Not to mention I bought a motorcycle before day 10 for money, since then I bought a 4x4 and I still have 140k+ money left at day 21. I also did most of my looting in a snow biome and last 7 days was in a big city with huge POIs, they were kinda challenging, at one point a big office building (a multi level Crack a book building with a basement) sent 40+ zombies after me, most of them feral and special like soldiers, lumberjacks, wights, cops, bikers, etc. It was bonkers.
Wow looks like a very successful playthrough, perhaps time to increase the difficulty for the next round
Finally I love the snow biome but it always felt like I was just making shit harder on myself this makes it alot better
I agree, the snow biome is the place to be now 🥶
Great video, thank you for all the time and effort you put into these video, I really enough them!
Thank you, much appreciated
does mean we can skip the pipe weapons as long as we maximize our loot stage at 60 and above, like its day 5 and lvl 12 already, with the loot bonuses from the goggles and candy, invest 2 points to lucky looter then we can get tier 1 weapons? or is it gated to some degree even if we are at loot stage 80 we still get them pipe weapons but with better quality.
Not it's not gated, you can absolutely jump into higher tech weapons if your loot stage is high enough
question I have a closed server with a few friends. Had a friend of a friend join and they used console commands to summon items. I didnt have this blocked because my freinds are new to the game and i want the ability to help my friends out if there was a glitch death or loss of items. well we are in day 10 and getting steel items drops because what the guy did. Is there a command i can use to reset the loot stage or gamestage so we dont have to start over? there was Demo zombies in first horde night. Thanks for all your vids. they are super helpful.
Trader quests are op early game, i went from a level 3 pipe shotgun to level 6 double barrel day 5
I somehow managed to skip over the pump shotguns in my run and found an auto shotgun. Good to know that it was because of location, level, and POI and not just me being insanely lucky
Well detailed. Keep up the good work!
really good video lot of work went into this
Thanks for the brilliant explanation! This game is amazing! I have a question: What determines the item quality you get from Tier 5 missions, and in the trader's secret stash (other than the perk for better secret stash)? Because I maxed out Better Barter (or whatever the perk for better items in the trader's secret stash was), and even then I was only getting level 2-3 Military Armor. I was a pretty high level too, like almost level 100. Are there other forces at play when the item levels in trader's secret stash and/or from quests (other than the perk for a better secret stash and how high a tier you quest just did) are determined? How can I get the trader to sell me level 6 military armor for example? Thanks to anyone in advance for the explanation :)
Okay I'll try to explain the best I can briefly. Trader inventory is not dependent on day, gamestage, or lootstage. Traders on day 1 will have the same chances of spawning inventory as they have on day 1000. Quest rewards are different. Based on tier, you can have access to certain groups of loot. Furthermore, better loot is unlocked with higher lootstage. So you'll get better quest items the more you level up and the higher your quest tier is.
My head hurts 😫 🤪
Omg there's a chart...
Big brain time!
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Everything I've ever wanted to know. Love it
Glad you found this video useful!
Excellent video. Well made.
I had no idea how this worked in a20, but I usually up the zombie spawn rate and decided to make a base in the wasteland because the forest is too quiet and boring and last night my loot stage was 619. I have no idea if thats super high or not but I was surprised because it was MUCH lower in the forest when I was going back to my old base to get resources. Wasteland with upped zombie spawns and decreased spawn delay is amazing!
Comment for algorithm.
Good job - especially with those tier bonuses, I couldn't understand how it works.
Glad I could help you!
Thanks for the vid.
You bet!
Damn good videos as always! So excited about the new alpha 20. It's too bad the only way I can play most games is by using GeForce Now, and the new alpha hasn't been uploaded as of yet. Hopefully they will soon, but until then, I'll have to live my life through your videos. lol =]
The new alpha is up! You have to opt into the "latest experimental" build in the steam game properties section
I always get Lucky Looter at the start of a game and its never even entered my mind the percentage increase the perks give. It's always and will forever be for me about that faster looting. That shit adds up. 10, then 20, then jumping up to 40% faster? That's a crazy amount of time saved when you're opening hundreds of small containers. That's less time standing around and more time doing other things. It's painful at the start with baseline loot speed.
Thanks for the explanation! Tier 6 video :D
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Great information. This will change how I play the game. Thanks You mentioned that the Shotgun Messiah is a Tier 5 location, is there a list of other POIs by Tier for Navezgame ?
I don't have a list. But you can tell by what kind of loot chest is at the end. The big hardened chest is a tier 5
Yes, but does Lucky Looter change your odds for better items on airdrop supply crates?
Haven’t played this game since a18 but now am interested
Oh it's good, A19 was great and A20 is better.
really really glad I watched this video, was wondering why my item qualities were weird about numbers (t4 doing more damage than a t6 and the like)
Thanks for this. I've been wondering why I'm still finding stone age crap and q1 iron tools at lootstage 38; turns out I'm still in baby loot tier. I've had pretty negative thoughts on how TFP have handled crafting from A17 forward, but my crafted tools and armors are easing the sting a little. Still bitter about the endless supply of paper in bookshelves, though, in place of actual books/schematics. I get more books from trash than I do the container that's supposed to specialize in dropping books.
Yeah. But what percentage of literature is survival-related after all? Its just realistic to find mainly stupid gossip magazines or normal books only useful for reading and paper instead of useful books. The trash thing is just unnatural, its even more op than before now.
@@robertbretschneider765 While I understand that argument (and it's been made to death anytime someone criticizes any aspect of the current loot balance), I still find it frustrating based on the more arcade-like nature of the game. The same argument should apply to opening commercial shipping crates and finding murky water instead of mineral water, jerry-rigged stone tools instead of commercial grade steel tools, or backyard pipe guns instead of properly manufactured firearms. This isn't even taking into account the fact that primers just somehow don't exist in this universe. But I know I'm not going to convince you or the rest of the "book realism" crowd, and that's ok. I'm not trying to, and I'm not trying to belittle your preferences. I'm just shouting frustration in to the void. My "issue" (not that it really is one) is fixed in Darkness Falls, anyway.
@@fengeir Hey, dont worry, i am in no crowd, i never played the game myself. ^^
@@robertbretschneider765 My bad, that part came across as derogatory, contrary to how it sounded in my head. Tone in text is hard!
Regardless, enjoy the videos. My bitching aside, it's still a game I'd recommend trying, if it at all provokes interest. Especially when on sale.
@@fengeir Thank u! If, by any means, i get my poor life as a messy master student in order, get a job and some money, then i will start my 7 days adventure for sure! ^^ At the moment, my ages old laptop cant even play minecraft anymore without crushing down.
God bro i absolutely adore your channel keep it up
was typing the question about books and if they're affected, when you answered it, lol. DId have a general question though: Have you noticed the same loot containers tend to have the same loot? It seemed in a19 it was a little more random, but as I hit the same nearby POIs on our multiplayer servers (Salty Zombies) I tend to get duplicates of what I got the day before quite often. Anyone else seeing the same thing?
Indeed i have noticed that before but I can't find out why from looking in the game files