Hi Grega, Yes - please check out the video at 18:43. You first need to add the locomotive to the MS2, then you can change the address. I also add chapters to all videos to make it simpler to jump around, so don't forget to use the chapters. Enjoy ;-)
Hi, I got a Roco loco for my MS2 controller, and I hope to change its CV for the loco's travel direction. Is it doable and how to do it from MS2? Would you please inform any video you've made related to the issue I may take a look first? Thanks!
Hi Josh, You can use the MS2 program decoders both in MM and DCC mode. As the comment is on this video I assume you have added the Roco locomotive as DCC locomotive? If this is the case, then you can just ahead and edit the locomotive by first selecting the locomotive, then enter DCC programming by using SHIFT+Locomotive -> Program CV. Then you can enter CV address and value. The current value is automatically read after you choose the address enabling you to easily change it. When you do this the locomotive must be the ONLY item on the track connected to the MS2 to avoid accidentally programming other locomotives or accessories. Do be careful with changing CVs as it can render your locomotive in operable. As an example you can see how I program a signal using DCC on the MS2 by making a fake locomotive: th-cam.com/video/i4-Mvb6BuoE/w-d-xo.html Hope this helps. Enjoy ;-)
One more question - i have three Roco locomotives which are ac digital, equipped with Uhlenbrock multiprotocol decoders. Added them via "find loco". They are set to DCC. How do I reconfigure them to read MM?
Hi, Typically you can find some description in the manual on how to change to MM. What are the model number - then I can have a look in the manual. Enjoy ;-)
@@ModelTrainFun hi, i did a bit of testing. It turns out that MS2 recognizes them via DCC, which is obvious. So I listed them, and added addresses lower than 80. Then I put each one on a separate test track, controlled by MS1. they responded. Which is logical, rhe decoders are mulriprotocol (76500 and 76320). By the way, I don't know if you know these things, but which Uhlenbrock decoder is meant to drive, say, Fleischmann permanentmagnet motor (DC) on Marklin layout? You know, the one that has a converter built in? Many thanks.
Hi, There are two options to get these Roco locomotives to register as MM: Change MS2 to not allow DCC or turn off DCC in the decoder. The default setting for the MS2 is allow for MFX, DCC and MM (in that priority). You can change this by going into the configuration: SHIFT+Turnout -> Loco Protocols and select an option without DCC e.g. "mfx, MM2". This way the MS2 will not use DCC and the decoder will not choose this one. The other way is to change the CV 49 to disallow DCC. Unfortunately, I did not manage to find the Uhlenbrock manual online, so I cannot see the details - I believe it's a question of changing either it 3 or 4? However, why is it important to change the Roco locomotives to MM? The MS2 can do both MM and DCC at the same time. For locomotives with a lot of functions you will also see that not all functions will be available due to the limitation of the MM protocol. Hence, you might prefer to stay in DCC. Hope this helps! Enjoy ;-)
@@ModelTrainFun yes, I came to a same conclusion. If I use "find loco" and the MS2 registers it as "DCC", I can still control them with simpler märklin digital devices, providing the address is 80 or lower. One final question - my MS2 (60653) does not cut off power, when there is a short circuit on tracks. Is that perhaps a trafo or track box issue? I use the trafo from MS1 (32VA)
@@gregabregar4105 According to the manuals and what I have researched on the Märklin web site the power supplies in the following table are compatible with the MS2: th-cam.com/video/6hX2JxWqQeM/w-d-xo.html I do not believe that the old MS1 power supply can be used. The MS2 uses a switching power supply where the MS1 uses a more standard/older type power supply. It might work, but as I understand it - not recommended. Enjoy ;-)
Hi Marvin, I believe I already answered this question on one of your previous questions. I will repeat the answer here - let me know if it is still unclear. As I understand it - yes - but I have not tried it, so I do not know what the risks are (see forum article below) or if there are anything you need to think about. The moden Märklin locomotives are designed to run on C-, K-, and M-track. In addition to that, as I understand it, the decoders in the modern locomotives change to analog mode when there is no digital signal. However, I have never tried it, so I do not know if there are anything you need to think about or if issues may occur. As an example all the digital functions will not work, but I believe for some locomotives the headlight work on analogue layouts. Engine sound may or may not be available in analog mode. I did find this article indicating you can risk burning out the decoder with older transformers? It seems the quality of your power supply is something you need to think about? Ask for experiences in the forum: www.marklin-users.net/forum/posts/t34384-Digital-running-on-analog Also consider asking for experiences in this forum on Facebook: facebook.com/groups/Maerklin.H0.Forum Hope this helps! Enjoy;-)
Hello, I got myself A.C.M.E. Skoda 163, and MS2 after finding Loco in DCC mode, won't let mi change address. This function is crossed out in menu. Strangely this loco has ESU loksound v5, and after finding all functions have proper icons, and name is set correctly too. Only gripe is this address issue.
Hi Piotr, The ESU LokSound supports MFX (they call it M4 for trademark reasons). From your description it sounds like the locomotive has been automatically loaded with MFX. You cannot change the address for a MFX locomotive as the MS2 ensures all locomotives are unique. The MFX protocol ensures there is no address conflict on your MS2. If you want to force an address do the following: 1. Put the MS2 in STOP mode 2. Delete locomotive from the MS2 3. Configure the MS2 to not accept MFX 4. Take the MS2 out of STOP mode 5. Enter the locomotive manually 6. Change address as desired 7. Remember to configure the MS2 to accept MFX again Alternatively, you can fiddle with the CVs of the ESU LokSound decoder. Enjoy ;-)
Hi there! This helps a lot thank you! If you don't mind I have a wiring question; I have PECO settrack I want to use the MS2 with, how do I wire the system to it? Is it more simple than I realize? Thank you! Sorry to bother
Hi, I understand that the PECO setrack is a standard 2-rail H0-track. For standard 2-rail H0-track you have to connect the Brown and Red wires from the control box to the rails. The brown wire to one rail and the red wire to the other rail. By default, the Märklin MS2 is set for Märklin Motorola (MM2) and MFX protocols with DCC as backup. This means you should be able to add a locomotive as shown in the video and run it. However, some DCC decoders do not like MM and MFX. You can change the locomotive protocols on the MS2 using SHIFT+Turnout -> Loco Protocols, then set it to DCC only. Additionally, you would probably also want to change the protocols for accessories using SHIFT+Turnout -> Accessory Protocol to DCC. Hope this helps and let me know if you have success. Enjoy ;-)
Excellent demonstration! Thank you! Quick question: do you change the address from 3 to 24 by randomly choosing the numbers or some certain ways to register the loco and attain the most functions?
Not entirely sure what you're asking. I chose address 24 as I do not have any other locomotive on the layout with that address. Just wanted an address that's not 3, as 3 will be the default address for a potential future locomotive. The Mobile Station 2 (MS2) understands DCC and knows which CV addresses are for the digital address of the locomotive (CV1). This means that when you change the address under the "Change Loco" menu and the MS2 will automatically program the locomotive to the address. There is no relation between address and functions that can be accessed. You can access all functions no matter the address. Using DCC as for this particular decoder all functions can only be accessed through DCC. Did that answer your question? Have fun ;-)
Very helpful video! I tried to follow your instructions with a Roco (DC) loco with Uhlenbrock 76425 decoder. It's working until the CV read/write functions. My MM2 simply ignores it. All CV variables are 0 and there is no way to change them. Decoder issue?
You write MM2 - I assume you mean Mobile Station 2 (MS2). I looked at the manual for the Uhlenbrock 76425 decoder - you can find it in English here: www.uhlenbrock.de/de_DE/service/download/handbook/en/Bes76425e.pdf As I read the manual, if you are in DCC mode it should be straight forward to program CV values. How far did you get? Did you create a new DCC locomotive manually on the MS2 with the address given to you (probably default address 3)? Could you turn on light and/or move the locomotive? I assume that after that you have tried to program a specific CV address - which one and with what value?
If you were trying to reset the decoder, then please be aware I am talking about putting value 8 in CV8, however for this particular decoder I see that you need to put value 1 in CV59. Note: do not know if this was the original decoder in your locomotive - if it was a custom decoder it will reset back to all defaults shown in the manual. Any after customization done by the one installing the decoder will disappear.
@@ModelTrainFun Your assumptions are all right! :-) I tried to set up the motor regulation by changing che CV's 54, 55 and 57 as explained in the decoder manual, but the values are all set to 0 and any change will not be stored. At the next reading the CV is still 0.
ok - assuming that you are able to turn on light and move the locomotive with the MS2. Seems like you are trying to do the "Motor Regulation"... that is advanced stuff, but I assume that the issue is that the MS2 does not read or program the CV values. I would try the following below - however, be aware that this can have disastrous consequences if you goof up. Follow only procedure if you feel confident. I would do it on some isolated test track - just to be sure. Try one of the simpler functions first. Try reading the read-only CV8 (manufactor ID) this should be 85. Does this work? Try CV50 (dimming) if you read this one it should be 32 (if not changed from default). Try changing the value in the 0-63 range. This should be easily visible - unless dimming specifically has been turned off in one of the other CVs. My guess is 63 is brightest and 0 is no light? Alternatively, you could try MS2->Configure Loco->Change loco->Address and change the address to see if the MS2 even can talk to the decoder. Try address 1. Remove locomotive and create a new locomotive manually with DCC and address 1.
BTW: Was this Roco delivered with the decoder - or did you add it yourself. If it was delivered with this one, then perhaps the Roco manual has a description of what to do?
I am glad you like the channel. Yes - I do not always pronounce things correct - sorry about that. Regarding "Roco" I am sure I am pronouncing it wrong as this is Austrian. Enjoy ;-)
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Thanks for the clear explanation. It helps me to install two Roco locs.
something new to learn. thanks mate
Glad you enjoy. Have fun ;-)
I have a Märklin loco with a DCC decoder built in afterwards. The DCC address is 1007. Can I change it to another address, say 60, with MS2?
Hi Grega, Yes - please check out the video at 18:43. You first need to add the locomotive to the MS2, then you can change the address. I also add chapters to all videos to make it simpler to jump around, so don't forget to use the chapters. Enjoy ;-)
@@ModelTrainFun superb, thank you!
Hi, I got a Roco loco for my MS2 controller, and I hope to change its CV for the loco's travel direction. Is it doable and how to do it from MS2? Would you please inform any video you've made related to the issue I may take a look first? Thanks!
Hi Josh,
You can use the MS2 program decoders both in MM and DCC mode. As the comment is on this video I assume you have added the Roco locomotive as DCC locomotive? If this is the case, then you can just ahead and edit the locomotive by first selecting the locomotive, then enter DCC programming by using SHIFT+Locomotive -> Program CV. Then you can enter CV address and value. The current value is automatically read after you choose the address enabling you to easily change it. When you do this the locomotive must be the ONLY item on the track connected to the MS2 to avoid accidentally programming other locomotives or accessories. Do be careful with changing CVs as it can render your locomotive in operable.
As an example you can see how I program a signal using DCC on the MS2 by making a fake locomotive: th-cam.com/video/i4-Mvb6BuoE/w-d-xo.html
Hope this helps. Enjoy ;-)
@@ModelTrainFun thank you so much. I change it successfully.
One more question - i have three Roco locomotives which are ac digital, equipped with Uhlenbrock multiprotocol decoders. Added them via "find loco". They are set to DCC. How do I reconfigure them to read MM?
Hi, Typically you can find some description in the manual on how to change to MM. What are the model number - then I can have a look in the manual. Enjoy ;-)
@@ModelTrainFun hi, i did a bit of testing. It turns out that MS2 recognizes them via DCC, which is obvious. So I listed them, and added addresses lower than 80. Then I put each one on a separate test track, controlled by MS1. they responded. Which is logical, rhe decoders are mulriprotocol (76500 and 76320).
By the way, I don't know if you know these things, but which Uhlenbrock decoder is meant to drive, say, Fleischmann permanentmagnet motor (DC) on Marklin layout? You know, the one that has a converter built in? Many thanks.
Hi, There are two options to get these Roco locomotives to register as MM: Change MS2 to not allow DCC or turn off DCC in the decoder.
The default setting for the MS2 is allow for MFX, DCC and MM (in that priority). You can change this by going into the configuration: SHIFT+Turnout -> Loco Protocols and select an option without DCC e.g. "mfx, MM2". This way the MS2 will not use DCC and the decoder will not choose this one.
The other way is to change the CV 49 to disallow DCC. Unfortunately, I did not manage to find the Uhlenbrock manual online, so I cannot see the details - I believe it's a question of changing either it 3 or 4?
However, why is it important to change the Roco locomotives to MM? The MS2 can do both MM and DCC at the same time. For locomotives with a lot of functions you will also see that not all functions will be available due to the limitation of the MM protocol. Hence, you might prefer to stay in DCC.
Hope this helps! Enjoy ;-)
@@ModelTrainFun yes, I came to a same conclusion. If I use "find loco" and the MS2 registers it as "DCC", I can still control them with simpler märklin digital devices, providing the address is 80 or lower. One final question - my MS2 (60653) does not cut off power, when there is a short circuit on tracks. Is that perhaps a trafo or track box issue? I use the trafo from MS1 (32VA)
@@gregabregar4105 According to the manuals and what I have researched on the Märklin web site the power supplies in the following table are compatible with the MS2: th-cam.com/video/6hX2JxWqQeM/w-d-xo.html I do not believe that the old MS1 power supply can be used. The MS2 uses a switching power supply where the MS1 uses a more standard/older type power supply. It might work, but as I understand it - not recommended. Enjoy ;-)
Can the new Marklin digital locomotives run on the older analog layouts?
Hi Marvin, I believe I already answered this question on one of your previous questions. I will repeat the answer here - let me know if it is still unclear.
As I understand it - yes - but I have not tried it, so I do not know what the risks are (see forum article below) or if there are anything you need to think about.
The moden Märklin locomotives are designed to run on C-, K-, and M-track. In addition to that, as I understand it, the decoders in the modern locomotives change to analog mode when there is no digital signal. However, I have never tried it, so I do not know if there are anything you need to think about or if issues may occur. As an example all the digital functions will not work, but I believe for some locomotives the headlight work on analogue layouts. Engine sound may or may not be available in analog mode.
I did find this article indicating you can risk burning out the decoder with older transformers? It seems the quality of your power supply is something you need to think about? Ask for experiences in the forum: www.marklin-users.net/forum/posts/t34384-Digital-running-on-analog
Also consider asking for experiences in this forum on Facebook: facebook.com/groups/Maerklin.H0.Forum
Hope this helps! Enjoy;-)
Hello, I got myself A.C.M.E. Skoda 163, and MS2 after finding Loco in DCC mode, won't let mi change address. This function is crossed out in menu. Strangely this loco has ESU loksound v5, and after finding all functions have proper icons, and name is set correctly too. Only gripe is this address issue.
Hi Piotr,
The ESU LokSound supports MFX (they call it M4 for trademark reasons). From your description it sounds like the locomotive has been automatically loaded with MFX. You cannot change the address for a MFX locomotive as the MS2 ensures all locomotives are unique. The MFX protocol ensures there is no address conflict on your MS2.
If you want to force an address do the following:
1. Put the MS2 in STOP mode
2. Delete locomotive from the MS2
3. Configure the MS2 to not accept MFX
4. Take the MS2 out of STOP mode
5. Enter the locomotive manually
6. Change address as desired
7. Remember to configure the MS2 to accept MFX again
Alternatively, you can fiddle with the CVs of the ESU LokSound decoder.
Enjoy ;-)
Really helpful for who is starting this new hobby, like me. Thanks!
Hi Grogri, glad it was helpful! Enjoy ;-)
Hi there! This helps a lot thank you! If you don't mind I have a wiring question; I have PECO settrack I want to use the MS2 with, how do I wire the system to it? Is it more simple than I realize? Thank you! Sorry to bother
Hi,
I understand that the PECO setrack is a standard 2-rail H0-track.
For standard 2-rail H0-track you have to connect the Brown and Red wires from the control box to the rails. The brown wire to one rail and the red wire to the other rail.
By default, the Märklin MS2 is set for Märklin Motorola (MM2) and MFX protocols with DCC as backup. This means you should be able to add a locomotive as shown in the video and run it. However, some DCC decoders do not like MM and MFX. You can change the locomotive protocols on the MS2 using SHIFT+Turnout -> Loco Protocols, then set it to DCC only. Additionally, you would probably also want to change the protocols for accessories using SHIFT+Turnout -> Accessory Protocol to DCC.
Hope this helps and let me know if you have success. Enjoy ;-)
@@ModelTrainFun Holy cow it is so much easier than I thought. Thank you!! Love your vids, keep up the great work! Happy Holidays!
@@dathotac3496 Thanks and happy holidays to you as well ;-)
Excellent advice thanks
Hi Chris, I hope it worked. Enjoy ;-)
Excellent video thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it! Have fun with model trains ;-)
Excellent demonstration! Thank you! Quick question: do you change the address from 3 to 24 by randomly choosing the numbers or some certain ways to register the loco and attain the most functions?
Not entirely sure what you're asking. I chose address 24 as I do not have any other locomotive on the layout with that address. Just wanted an address that's not 3, as 3 will be the default address for a potential future locomotive. The Mobile Station 2 (MS2) understands DCC and knows which CV addresses are for the digital address of the locomotive (CV1). This means that when you change the address under the "Change Loco" menu and the MS2 will automatically program the locomotive to the address. There is no relation between address and functions that can be accessed. You can access all functions no matter the address. Using DCC as for this particular decoder all functions can only be accessed through DCC.
Did that answer your question? Have fun ;-)
Very helpful video!
I tried to follow your instructions with a Roco (DC) loco with Uhlenbrock 76425 decoder. It's working until the CV read/write functions. My MM2 simply ignores it. All CV variables are 0 and there is no way to change them. Decoder issue?
You write MM2 - I assume you mean Mobile Station 2 (MS2).
I looked at the manual for the Uhlenbrock 76425 decoder - you can find it in English here: www.uhlenbrock.de/de_DE/service/download/handbook/en/Bes76425e.pdf As I read the manual, if you are in DCC mode it should be straight forward to program CV values. How far did you get? Did you create a new DCC locomotive manually on the MS2 with the address given to you (probably default address 3)? Could you turn on light and/or move the locomotive?
I assume that after that you have tried to program a specific CV address - which one and with what value?
If you were trying to reset the decoder, then please be aware I am talking about putting value 8 in CV8, however for this particular decoder I see that you need to put value 1 in CV59. Note: do not know if this was the original decoder in your locomotive - if it was a custom decoder it will reset back to all defaults shown in the manual. Any after customization done by the one installing the decoder will disappear.
@@ModelTrainFun Your assumptions are all right! :-)
I tried to set up the motor regulation by changing che CV's 54, 55 and 57 as explained in the decoder manual, but the values are all set to 0 and any change will not be stored. At the next reading the CV is still 0.
ok - assuming that you are able to turn on light and move the locomotive with the MS2.
Seems like you are trying to do the "Motor Regulation"... that is advanced stuff, but I assume that the issue is that the MS2 does not read or program the CV values.
I would try the following below - however, be aware that this can have disastrous consequences if you goof up. Follow only procedure if you feel confident. I would do it on some isolated test track - just to be sure.
Try one of the simpler functions first. Try reading the read-only CV8 (manufactor ID) this should be 85. Does this work?
Try CV50 (dimming) if you read this one it should be 32 (if not changed from default). Try changing the value in the 0-63 range. This should be easily visible - unless dimming specifically has been turned off in one of the other CVs. My guess is 63 is brightest and 0 is no light?
Alternatively, you could try MS2->Configure Loco->Change loco->Address and change the address to see if the MS2 even can talk to the decoder. Try address 1. Remove locomotive and create a new locomotive manually with DCC and address 1.
BTW: Was this Roco delivered with the decoder - or did you add it yourself. If it was delivered with this one, then perhaps the Roco manual has a description of what to do?
Impressive!
Glad you enjoyed - have fun ;-)
Excelente
Hi Alejandro, I am glad you liked the video. Enjoy ;-)
Is this with hornby?
I think it does
It is not Hornby - if you have Hornby DCC you should be able to use the Mobile Station 2, if this is of interest.
Oh worked thx
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Please, show this for the CS3, thx!
Check out the video on adding locomotives to the CS3: th-cam.com/video/pEg0LakeGeY/w-d-xo.html Enjoy ;-)
Dir sir, the name is pronounced as rookoo not rokko. There is only one c. For the rest i love your channel!
I am glad you like the channel. Yes - I do not always pronounce things correct - sorry about that. Regarding "Roco" I am sure I am pronouncing it wrong as this is Austrian. Enjoy ;-)