Note that all 6 of the remaining 3/4 Liege 1/4 aseel “chicks” recovered after being denied access to more salt bush. After recovery, they now appear to be avoiding salt bush. Generally once one of my chickens recovers from salt bush poisoning they don’t ever seem to have it again
For the liege/aseel try black jersey giants crossed into them they're large and meaty like your looking for and should do at least as well as the layer crosses.
Watch out for White Snake Root as well, it has a persistent toxin that can poison humans through the eggs and meat. Chickens tend not to eat it, but this PERRENIAL plant is native to the eastern half of the US and stays toxic for 5 YEARS after being cut down (and spreads on the wind like dandelion.) It's far more dangerous in cow/goat milk, but everyone should know about it.
I'm wanting to make a deer brown predator resist or flighty dual purpose bird. What breeds would you recommend and how should I go about breeding them?
At the 7:10 mark. Those all white cracker to Easter eggers are gorgeous. They’re all white with red combs and wattles and BLUE legs. Really beautiful birds. I think you’re onto something there for sure. If they start laying blue eggs when they’re grown, that’s just icing on the cake!
I had to watch when I saw the word dinochicken. I often shout, “Release the velociraptors!” When I open the coop door in the morning. It was an interesting video. My own crossing is more like the barnyard mix style. The best mama hen I’ve ever had was a little Sebright. Both of her daughters are now sitting on clutches. We’ll see what comes of it.
I will soon be doing a video about a feral flock near me that’s been around Lake City, Florida for several decades. Although they have game chicken mixed into them, they’re clearly a barnyard mix that’s been naturally selected for survival. I think barnyard mixed with an infusion of gamefowl, bantam, or any breed that broods and is alert is the ticket for most people.
My most successful chicken is Cackle Hatchery's Red Jungle fowl crossed with Hover Hatchery ISA Browns. You don't have to feed them and they hatch then raise their own chicks.
Your book is in my cart, excited for it! My question is how well will your practices help my flock up here in Maine? I have some Icelandics and would love to get them to forage 100% of the time, it's why I picked this breed. Thanks
I believe what I advocate in the book can work almost anywhere in the continental US, minus extreme desert areas. You've already got the right chicken for potentially extreme winters. I recommend people give their birds some supplemental forage in areas with extreme winters, even if their chickens are capable of finding food under the snow. In times past, the farm birds would be foraging around the barns, the dung heap, and other places where bits of food from other animals would be found. Farmers also would have had some food items put up as supplements, just as one would put up hay for the cattle or horses. I wouldn't leave it to them to find everything on their own like they can in the warm months. Someone could even get very creative and put up natural mast crops like acorns. Acorns are an excellent food source for them as acorns are for many North American woodland animals.
hola from Denia, Spain! I found your channel through David The Good and I am eager to learn more. I do have a property here, 6 acres, and started with chickens some months ago. I had Ameraucana and Plymouth , 5 of each, and a Plymouth Rooster. Some weeks later I was given a local race, I have eleven of those. I move the chickens around in a mobile cooo that we made, and we rotate them with a mobile fence, so they manure the area. It is good, but I keep wondering all the time if I should just leave the coop somewhere in case they want to be inside, let them forage and look for the most adapted to my place. Maybe each year introduce some diversity while it is possible, and thats it. I only worry about them scratching a lot close to the newly planted trees, as I have the food forest going on. That might be my biggest worry. I do have also four ducks that free range almost all the time. I do close them only by night, as I want to protect them until they reproduce. But with them, I just let them go around. I have lot of questions about your logistics: coops, watering, etc. But I will check all your videos and wait for the book, to see if you answer this before! You are very inspiring!
Another great video, of course I'm biased about anything from Florida. When you come out with your book I'll be in for several of them. One for me and one for a friend. Do you think local schools with FFA programs would be up for it?
Have you ever considered crossing yellow jungle fowl to your Dino chicken project? The yellow jungle fowl are incapable of digesting starches like domestic chickens can, this would make them more exclusively carnivorous although you could not feed them regular chicken feed
Have u thought abt adding apple cider to the chicken water? Herbs? Oregano and thyme? I have the 'normal' chickens, they free range. (Reds, Orpington) I supplement feed with chopped cabbage and spinach. They enjoy watermelon and tomatoes when available. Your sleek chickens are beauties! This is the first time I've seen these.
They have access oregano that grows in a large perennial patch in my front yard. They use it regularly. Indo the big black rooster freaks out if I mess with it, as if his mission is to guard it. I have used sports drinks and low iron vitamins in a water cistern that the free rangers like to use besides the pond.
Hey Bullfrog, Caniborrowsomeammo here. In my flock of Heinz 57 chickens, I have added new blood every few years. Seems that I'm not losing as many from disease as when I first started. My largest problem is predators, and I take care of them post haste if possible.
This video has been very interesting to me I enjoyed it very much I've been kind of doing the same thing with the Egyptian chicken I'm trying to make a survival chicken this Egyptian chickens have very high immune systems they're decent layers with a decent amount of meet on them for a small chicken they're very Predator Savvy too hard workers I've been cross breeding them to other breeds of chickens
Fayoumis? I have some in my incubator. I have a friend in Tennessee who raises Fayoumis on his mountain homestead with good success. He sent me some hatching eggs.
@@Florida_Bullfrog Hubby and I have crossed our faomis with americanas and native Florida gamebird. Absolutely love Faomis! Handle mid-missouri winter pretty good, too. (Moved from central Florida to central Missouri this past January). We would love to get some new Faomi blood in our stock.
@@Florida_Bullfrog yes they're amazing the pros about them they're very disease tolerant Predators savvy very good free Rangers they can hold their own in a fight also the cons they're feather Breakers and feather Pluckers no problems with that if you're free ranging
That’s open to debate. See Oregon-State University’s paleontology division and the work of John Ruben. There’s some evidence that dinosaurs and birds are fundamentally different on some important biological levels. For instance, there is a high likelihood that bird lungs and dinosaur lungs functioned much differently and its not likely one came from the other. Under the alternate theory, many of the so called feathered dinosaurs were actually reptile-like birds.
I'd love to let you get a couple of the birds I have here. They pretty much done what your wanting to do. They have red eyes and white and green leg's the hens resemble old English Game the roosters look like a kelso white hackle,hatch. But they are just wild birds that lived in our land here in Florida for ever. Let me know if give you a few I think it's what you are looking for It's cool cause I want to cross mine with Asil
You also have to factor in an impaired mental state. Chickens in a dark coop that have only just went to roost minutes prior but haven’t went to sleep yet are a lot harder to catch than chickens that have been asleep awhile. They’re groggy and slow when awoken, spooky when fully awake. When I’m catching them at night I can only take a few at a time before having to leave and come back. Otherwise the remaining birds will fly off when fully awake.
@Bullgoblin True. Once you get them into a fright and flight mode, they can see shape and movement so it's hard to catch them even in the dark. I was very gentle and quiet so no problem. Also, the gentle touch of human hands is unlike the teeth and claws of predators. I think they learn to associate the human shape with food also, so maybe the shape of a human in the dark doesn't scare them as much.
What’s your plan with the dog breeding? There’s definitely a need for a smaller homestead livestock guardian dog. Something smaller than all the big white LGDs. A dog that could protect against raccoons, bobcats, hawks, and that doesn’t wander too much. I think the big long haired LGDs are overkill for southern homesteads where maybe a lone coyote or two are about the worst predators we have. Do you know of anything like this being produced?
I’m experimenting with line breeding in dogs to see if I can make more Brunsons even with crossing a non-bulldog into the line. I plan on keeping a female from this litter and the next litter and crossing Brunson to his daughters then his granddaughter to see if I can make more like him while at the same time hiding a high caliber, non-bulldog, hunting dog into his line for added genetic diversity. I want a dog that looks and acts like Brunson but with some additional grit the catahoula offers. Traditionally bulldogs and curs were the homestead guardian dogs in the South that did everything from catching livestock and game to warding off predators. Bulldogs especially usually won’t roam far off the property but delight in chasing off or killing varmints. Brunson was hand crafted to be a protector and companion. A lot of the blood lust of the bulldog was bred out of him. Otherwise I wouldn’t have him with my daughter. I’ve owned some monster bulldogs over the years. Some are true killers no matter how they are raised. Its in their DNA. Brunson is safe but as such he doesn’t go out of his way to catch predators away from the house like the hound and the catahoula does. Cookie the catahoula actually lays out with and guards the chickens but in her puppy months she severely hunted them. I would say a black mouth cur would be a good choice if you don’t have close neighbors and it can roam.
@@Florida_Bullfrog yeah that’s my issue. I need something that won’t roam. Most predators in the south will be scared off just by a barking dog. I don’t really need it to roam and hunt down predators. I think something with bulldog in it would be great bc like you said, they stay nearby. Just need something comfortable living outside and sticking around the chickens… Might look for something overseas bc I’ve seen a lot of smaller homestead dogs in my travels.
I have found that well bred Old English bulldogs take the outside and heat fine. They should be built more like a miniature Johnson type American bulldog and less like a standard English bulldog. Those Old English I have owned retain a strong catch drive towards varmints but are reasonably people safe. I’ve kept my Old English out in the heat of summer with no problems. They always have access to shade and water.
Can anyone give me advice on loosening chickens to hawks? I’ve had some of the most beautiful game chickens imaginable that I caught in the wild along with purchased and gifted games chickens and hawks absolutely slay them, there are two big ones about the size of an young eagle that get a few of my birds every day I had a golden buff Brahma they weigh around 20lb and they took him out
Only because real old English gamefowl are hard to get in the states. Many birds sold as such are simply straight combed American gamefowl that comform somewhat to old English standards. Which the American in its original form is in fact simply an American adapted old English gamefowl. But Americans have been cross bred to oriental and Spanish gamefowl many times. That keeps them vigorous but also modifies them from the original old English form. For what’s its worth, I consider Oxford old English gamefowl to be the true representation of the breed.
Among the American bloodlines, I have a tendency to prefer bloodlines that retained old English traits such as traditional Hatch lines and Blueface. Those birds usually retain strong old English and red junglefowl traits. I am not a fan of the roundhead lines, not withstanding the fact I an following a similar breeding regime to how they were created in my oriental cross lines. That is nothing but a superficial preference on my part. If they survive, thrive, and are useful, it doesn’t matter what their origins are.
I’m running my experiment in Southern Middle Tennessee….Currently have about 20 different “duel purpose” breeds with the hope of breeding them with My Old English Game Fowl Large Stags…I purchased a straight run of 13 and look to have 6-7 Stags in the bunch that I started back in May….No idea how authentic my bunch is, but currently the horse I’m gonna ride. I’d like to add some Liege Fighters in as well at some point. No plans to manipulate outcomes, just gonna let natural selection play out…Love your channel and appreciate you sharing the wisdom.
If you don’t mind but can I contribute to your breeding program I live in The Deep South and I’ve been wanting to start my own breed wild chickens for game hunting purposes any chance you could send me some eggs or some bities
@@Florida_Bullfrog *whomever you gave some to (yes i saw the whole thing you breed them awesome project!) no problems if you do just let me know I'd be interested to keep a pair
It is specifically the highly inbred lines that don’t thrive. In general the chickens do great in a wild state. But some of my lines were highly inbred, meaning a large percentage of offspring had depressed immune systems. I’ve corrected that problem by crossing unrelated strains into virtually every line of chicken I have on the farm.
I mostly agree with your suggestion with a couple of caveats, depending on if your goal is to have a mixed survival/homestead flock or if your goal is to normalize traits to such a degree the birds look a bit like clones of each other. Because I breed for a hobby and the enjoyment of creating definable kinds of chickens as much as I breed for practical food use for the birds, my breeding plans often involve long periods of inbreeding father to daughters and granddaughters so that eventually I end up with entire flocks that are 7/8 the DNA of the original father. Had Number 1 not met an untimely demise, I would have followed that plan with him so that most rooster chicks in his line would eventually look like clones of him. That kind of tight inbreeding requires a good influx of fresh genes every several years. Complicated by the fact my birds are unique and I cannot easily find outside blood to add to them. Suppose I was breeding a standard breed instead, yes I could simply rotate one exceptional rooster of the same breed with another every few years and keep them both fresh and still pure to their breed. But you are likely get hybrid vigor if you cross two separate breeds together which benefits a bird in a survival situation. There’s a lot more I can say but its too much to type here. It might be a good topic for a video.
@@Florida_Bullfrog cool, yeah thanks for the explanation. Maybe I’ll have to come buy some birds from you to start my own survival chickens. Had buff Orpingtons before and they actually learned to avoid hawks pretty well but unfortunately a bear smashed my coop so I need some sort of homestead dog first. I just don’t feel like paying a bunch of money to put up a perimeter fence since I only have 2 acres. Doesn’t make a lot of sense to spent a few thousand on fencing just to protect a handful of chickens… :-/
I am aware of Cracker curs but never saw one in person. My family had black mouth curs, white English bulldogs (the Spanish mastiff breed not English bulldogs that are white), and Carolina dogs. One of my uncles from Dixie county has a picture of him and his Carolina dog when he was a boy. Back then they called them “yellow dogs.”
I’m just up the road from you. My people come out of Gulf Hammock but I lived in Ocala. I moved up this way to get away from Ocala’s development run a-mock. You may know my farm from back when it was a commercial blueberry operation.
I still got her. I’ve her in the American game bantam coop for a while. Now she’s back on free range. I have 1 pullet and 2 cockerels off of her and the AGB cock growing out.
Note that all 6 of the remaining 3/4 Liege 1/4 aseel “chicks” recovered after being denied access to more salt bush. After recovery, they now appear to be avoiding salt bush. Generally once one of my chickens recovers from salt bush poisoning they don’t ever seem to have it again
For the liege/aseel try black jersey giants crossed into them they're large and meaty like your looking for and should do at least as well as the layer crosses.
Watch out for White Snake Root as well, it has a persistent toxin that can poison humans through the eggs and meat. Chickens tend not to eat it, but this PERRENIAL plant is native to the eastern half of the US and stays toxic for 5 YEARS after being cut down (and spreads on the wind like dandelion.) It's far more dangerous in cow/goat milk, but everyone should know about it.
I'm wanting to make a deer brown predator resist or flighty dual purpose bird. What breeds would you recommend and how should I go about breeding them?
Glad you got an update out - good work.
Every chicken I've ever had has reflective eyes. Love the experiments you've got going. I could watch those birds for hours.
I think he should start releasing some into the wild instead of killing the ones he doesn’t want on his farm
@@chriskeim5699 ^ amen. it only takes one johnny chickenseed to revive old florida
Awesome channel! I've been following David the Good for a few years, glad he linked you!
At the 7:10 mark. Those all white cracker to Easter eggers are gorgeous. They’re all white with red combs and wattles and BLUE legs. Really beautiful birds. I think you’re onto something there for sure. If they start laying blue eggs when they’re grown, that’s just icing on the cake!
David the Good suggested your channel for chicken info. I'm overwhelmed with what I've learned with just a couple of videos. 👍
super excited for the finished bird !! i would want to buy a couple eggs for sure, and mix them with my own hens of course
I had to watch when I saw the word dinochicken. I often shout, “Release the velociraptors!” When I open the coop door in the morning. It was an interesting video. My own crossing is more like the barnyard mix style. The best mama hen I’ve ever had was a little Sebright. Both of her daughters are now sitting on clutches. We’ll see what comes of it.
I will soon be doing a video about a feral flock near me that’s been around Lake City, Florida for several decades. Although they have game chicken mixed into them, they’re clearly a barnyard mix that’s been naturally selected for survival. I think barnyard mixed with an infusion of gamefowl, bantam, or any breed that broods and is alert is the ticket for most people.
My most successful chicken is Cackle Hatchery's Red Jungle fowl crossed with Hover Hatchery ISA Browns. You don't have to feed them and they hatch then raise their own chicks.
I look forward to your book. Keep us posted on when it is available.
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Your book is in my cart, excited for it! My question is how well will your practices help my flock up here in Maine? I have some Icelandics and would love to get them to forage 100% of the time, it's why I picked this breed. Thanks
I believe what I advocate in the book can work almost anywhere in the continental US, minus extreme desert areas. You've already got the right chicken for potentially extreme winters. I recommend people give their birds some supplemental forage in areas with extreme winters, even if their chickens are capable of finding food under the snow. In times past, the farm birds would be foraging around the barns, the dung heap, and other places where bits of food from other animals would be found. Farmers also would have had some food items put up as supplements, just as one would put up hay for the cattle or horses. I wouldn't leave it to them to find everything on their own like they can in the warm months. Someone could even get very creative and put up natural mast crops like acorns. Acorns are an excellent food source for them as acorns are for many North American woodland animals.
Green junglefowl are known to live in mangrove forests so that could be an answer to the saltbush problem.
hola from Denia, Spain! I found your channel through David The Good and I am eager to learn more. I do have a property here, 6 acres, and started with chickens some months ago. I had Ameraucana and Plymouth , 5 of each, and a Plymouth Rooster. Some weeks later I was given a local race, I have eleven of those. I move the chickens around in a mobile cooo that we made, and we rotate them with a mobile fence, so they manure the area. It is good, but I keep wondering all the time if I should just leave the coop somewhere in case they want to be inside, let them forage and look for the most adapted to my place.
Maybe each year introduce some diversity while it is possible, and thats it. I only worry about them scratching a lot close to the newly planted trees, as I have the food forest going on. That might be my biggest worry.
I do have also four ducks that free range almost all the time. I do close them only by night, as I want to protect them until they reproduce. But with them, I just let them go around.
I have lot of questions about your logistics: coops, watering, etc. But I will check all your videos and wait for the book, to see if you answer this before!
You are very inspiring!
I can’t wait for this book and thank you for the update
Oh my, those pups are cute. Thanks for the chicken update.
This is amazing information! Thank you
So much for this.
Awesome video bullfrog!
Would love to get some eggs one day. Looking forward to it sir!
Love your content. So much great information
Great update video, nice work!!😁
great info as always. if possible link the books you have read about chicken breeding. thank you
Another great video, of course I'm biased about anything from Florida. When you come out with your book I'll be in for several of them. One for me and one for a friend. Do you think local schools with FFA programs would be up for it?
You must be X Army Bullfrog. I noticed your pack. I enjoy your videos. Florida is a jungle.
Glad to see your videos, anytime you can get them out!
Have you ever considered crossing yellow jungle fowl to your Dino chicken project? The yellow jungle fowl are incapable of digesting starches like domestic chickens can, this would make them more exclusively carnivorous although you could not feed them regular chicken feed
I been trying to figure out how to order jungle fowl biddies...
Have u thought abt adding apple cider to the chicken water? Herbs? Oregano and thyme? I have the 'normal' chickens, they free range. (Reds, Orpington) I supplement feed with chopped cabbage and spinach. They enjoy watermelon and tomatoes when available. Your sleek chickens are beauties! This is the first time I've seen these.
They have access oregano that grows in a large perennial patch in my front yard. They use it regularly. Indo the big black rooster freaks out if I mess with it, as if his mission is to guard it. I have used sports drinks and low iron vitamins in a water cistern that the free rangers like to use besides the pond.
I Lehr Brisbin is the biologist. Great video as always.
Wondering if you can catch some wild chickens in southern Florida, but wonder if the iguanas and snakes are killing all of them.
Is your book out yet? Where can I buy it? Also, do you sell any birds?
Hey Bullfrog, Caniborrowsomeammo here. In my flock of Heinz 57 chickens, I have added new blood every few years. Seems that I'm not losing as many from disease as when I first started. My largest problem is predators, and I take care of them post haste if possible.
Got any gamefowl mixed in there? The gamefowl add the predator resistance and the barnyard mix provides the disease resistance.
@@Florida_Bullfrog Yes, I have a little bit of everything except for the giant breeds.
This video has been very interesting to me I enjoyed it very much I've been kind of doing the same thing with the Egyptian chicken I'm trying to make a survival chicken this Egyptian chickens have very high immune systems they're decent layers with a decent amount of meet on them for a small chicken they're very Predator Savvy too hard workers I've been cross breeding them to other breeds of chickens
Fayoumis? I have some in my incubator. I have a friend in Tennessee who raises Fayoumis on his mountain homestead with good success. He sent me some hatching eggs.
@@Florida_Bullfrog
Hubby and I have crossed our faomis with americanas and native Florida gamebird. Absolutely love Faomis! Handle mid-missouri winter pretty good, too. (Moved from central Florida to central Missouri this past January). We would love to get some new Faomi blood in our stock.
@@Florida_Bullfrog yes they're amazing the pros about them they're very disease tolerant Predators savvy very good free Rangers they can hold their own in a fight also the cons they're feather Breakers and feather Pluckers no problems with that if you're free ranging
natural selection...
Shot a message on bcusa. Thanks for the chicken update. I've actually been looking forward to it.
Double check, I don’t see a message there.
@@Florida_Bullfrog for some reason it didnt send. It was about those scope mounts, but not a big deal.
Maybe you've already mentioned it before- what hatchery did you get your sonat
Sonita Azeal stock from?
Been waiting for the update! Epic!
Aren't they all Dino chickens? I mean all birds are literally 🦕
That’s open to debate. See Oregon-State University’s paleontology division and the work of John Ruben. There’s some evidence that dinosaurs and birds are fundamentally different on some important biological levels. For instance, there is a high likelihood that bird lungs and dinosaur lungs functioned much differently and its not likely one came from the other. Under the alternate theory, many of the so called feathered dinosaurs were actually reptile-like birds.
What is the race of this chicken? Because I would really like to do a similar thing in France!
Seems that outcrossing then with birds closer to wild lineage has done them well.
Did Hurricane hurt your farm any
Thanks for the vid I was waiting on it man.
Does Indo and his descendants kill and eat large snakes?
I'd love to let you get a couple of the birds I have here. They pretty much done what your wanting to do. They have red eyes and white and green leg's the hens resemble old English Game the roosters look like a kelso white hackle,hatch. But they are just wild birds that lived in our land here in Florida for ever. Let me know if give you a few I think it's what you are looking for It's cool cause I want to cross mine with Asil
Bro just listen to Indos crow!! 😍😍
They are not totally blind at night, but their vision is severely limited. I could easily catch the ones that I could not come close in daylight.
You also have to factor in an impaired mental state. Chickens in a dark coop that have only just went to roost minutes prior but haven’t went to sleep yet are a lot harder to catch than chickens that have been asleep awhile. They’re groggy and slow when awoken, spooky when fully awake. When I’m catching them at night I can only take a few at a time before having to leave and come back. Otherwise the remaining birds will fly off when fully awake.
@Bullgoblin True. Once you get them into a fright and flight mode, they can see shape and movement so it's hard to catch them even in the dark. I was very gentle and quiet so no problem. Also, the gentle touch of human hands is unlike the teeth and claws of predators. I think they learn to associate the human shape with food also, so maybe the shape of a human in the dark doesn't scare them as much.
What’s your plan with the dog breeding?
There’s definitely a need for a smaller homestead livestock guardian dog.
Something smaller than all the big white LGDs. A dog that could protect against raccoons, bobcats, hawks, and that doesn’t wander too much.
I think the big long haired LGDs are overkill for southern homesteads where maybe a lone coyote or two are about the worst predators we have.
Do you know of anything like this being produced?
I’m experimenting with line breeding in dogs to see if I can make more Brunsons even with crossing a non-bulldog into the line. I plan on keeping a female from this litter and the next litter and crossing Brunson to his daughters then his granddaughter to see if I can make more like him while at the same time hiding a high caliber, non-bulldog, hunting dog into his line for added genetic diversity. I want a dog that looks and acts like Brunson but with some additional grit the catahoula offers. Traditionally bulldogs and curs were the homestead guardian dogs in the South that did everything from catching livestock and game to warding off predators. Bulldogs especially usually won’t roam far off the property but delight in chasing off or killing varmints. Brunson was hand crafted to be a protector and companion. A lot of the blood lust of the bulldog was bred out of him. Otherwise I wouldn’t have him with my daughter. I’ve owned some monster bulldogs over the years. Some are true killers no matter how they are raised. Its in their DNA. Brunson is safe but as such he doesn’t go out of his way to catch predators away from the house like the hound and the catahoula does. Cookie the catahoula actually lays out with and guards the chickens but in her puppy months she severely hunted them. I would say a black mouth cur would be a good choice if you don’t have close neighbors and it can roam.
@@Florida_Bullfrog yeah that’s my issue. I need something that won’t roam. Most predators in the south will be scared off just by a barking dog. I don’t really need it to roam and hunt down predators.
I think something with bulldog in it would be great bc like you said, they stay nearby. Just need something comfortable living outside and sticking around the chickens…
Might look for something overseas bc I’ve seen a lot of smaller homestead dogs in my travels.
I have found that well bred Old English bulldogs take the outside and heat fine. They should be built more like a miniature Johnson type American bulldog and less like a standard English bulldog. Those Old English I have owned retain a strong catch drive towards varmints but are reasonably people safe. I’ve kept my Old English out in the heat of summer with no problems. They always have access to shade and water.
Can anyone give me advice on loosening chickens to hawks? I’ve had some of the most beautiful game chickens imaginable that I caught in the wild along with purchased and gifted games chickens and hawks absolutely slay them, there are two big ones about the size of an young eagle that get a few of my birds every day I had a golden buff Brahma they weigh around 20lb and they took him out
Great video buddy
Is there a reason you prefer the American Game Fowl over the Old English Game Fowl Large?
Only because real old English gamefowl are hard to get in the states. Many birds sold as such are simply straight combed American gamefowl that comform somewhat to old English standards. Which the American in its original form is in fact simply an American adapted old English gamefowl. But Americans have been cross bred to oriental and Spanish gamefowl many times. That keeps them vigorous but also modifies them from the original old English form. For what’s its worth, I consider Oxford old English gamefowl to be the true representation of the breed.
Among the American bloodlines, I have a tendency to prefer bloodlines that retained old English traits such as traditional Hatch lines and Blueface. Those birds usually retain strong old English and red junglefowl traits. I am not a fan of the roundhead lines, not withstanding the fact I an following a similar breeding regime to how they were created in my oriental cross lines. That is nothing but a superficial preference on my part. If they survive, thrive, and are useful, it doesn’t matter what their origins are.
I’m running my experiment in Southern Middle Tennessee….Currently have about 20 different “duel purpose” breeds with the hope of breeding them with My Old English Game Fowl Large Stags…I purchased a straight run of 13 and look to have 6-7 Stags in the bunch that I started back in May….No idea how authentic my bunch is, but currently the horse I’m gonna ride. I’d like to add some Liege Fighters in as well at some point. No plans to manipulate outcomes, just gonna let natural selection play out…Love your channel and appreciate you sharing the wisdom.
If you don’t mind but can I contribute to your breeding program I live in The Deep South and I’ve been wanting to start my own breed wild chickens for game hunting purposes any chance you could send me some eggs or some bities
Do you sale chickens or hatching eggs?
I used to. I quit last year. Might start again after I’m done improving them.
I'd be interested in a pair of the mini American game bantam...either from you or whomever you gave some too to that still has them
No one gave them to me. I created them. But I don’t have any available at this time.
@@Florida_Bullfrog *whomever you gave some to (yes i saw the whole thing you breed them awesome project!) no problems if you do just let me know I'd be interested to keep a pair
So moral of the story: wild chickens won’t thrive?
What gives you that impression from the video?
@@Florida_Bullfrog Didn’t you say they were all dying? How are they present day?
It is specifically the highly inbred lines that don’t thrive. In general the chickens do great in a wild state. But some of my lines were highly inbred, meaning a large percentage of offspring had depressed immune systems. I’ve corrected that problem by crossing unrelated strains into virtually every line of chicken I have on the farm.
I kept chickens was advised that Bird mites can cause daytime drowsiness!
Indo ? What is that short for
Indoraptor. He’s an experimental rooster. I have several videos about him.
Why can’t you just a new rooster like every 2-3 years? Instead of adding more breeds like after 10 years?
I mostly agree with your suggestion with a couple of caveats, depending on if your goal is to have a mixed survival/homestead flock or if your goal is to normalize traits to such a degree the birds look a bit like clones of each other. Because I breed for a hobby and the enjoyment of creating definable kinds of chickens as much as I breed for practical food use for the birds, my breeding plans often involve long periods of inbreeding father to daughters and granddaughters so that eventually I end up with entire flocks that are 7/8 the DNA of the original father. Had Number 1 not met an untimely demise, I would have followed that plan with him so that most rooster chicks in his line would eventually look like clones of him. That kind of tight inbreeding requires a good influx of fresh genes every several years. Complicated by the fact my birds are unique and I cannot easily find outside blood to add to them. Suppose I was breeding a standard breed instead, yes I could simply rotate one exceptional rooster of the same breed with another every few years and keep them
both fresh and still pure to their breed. But you are likely get hybrid vigor if you cross two separate breeds together which benefits a bird in a survival situation. There’s a lot more I can say but its too much to type here. It might be a good topic for a video.
@@Florida_Bullfrog cool, yeah thanks for the explanation.
Maybe I’ll have to come buy some birds from you to start my own survival chickens.
Had buff Orpingtons before and they actually learned to avoid hawks pretty well but unfortunately a bear smashed my coop so I need some sort of homestead dog first.
I just don’t feel like paying a bunch of money to put up a perimeter fence since I only have 2 acres. Doesn’t make a lot of sense to spent a few thousand on fencing just to protect a handful of chickens… :-/
Say hi to your daughter for me .
I breed Florida cracker curs
I am aware of Cracker curs but never saw one in person. My family had black mouth curs, white English bulldogs (the Spanish mastiff breed not English bulldogs that are white), and Carolina dogs. One of my uncles from Dixie county has a picture of him and his Carolina dog when he was a boy. Back then they called them “yellow dogs.”
I’m from Columbia county I have a bloodline of cracker curs that’s been in my family for 3 generations
I’m just up the road from you. My people come out of Gulf Hammock but I lived in Ocala. I moved up this way to get away from Ocala’s development run a-mock. You may know my farm from back when it was a commercial blueberry operation.
Maybe my family been here for 8 generations
I’ve also found that 3/4 American gamefowl 1/4 asil is the perfect cross for north fl hardy nice sized Develop pretty fast
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It would be nice to see more on surviverlady.😉😊
I still got her. I’ve her in the American game bantam coop for a while. Now she’s back on free range. I have 1 pullet and 2 cockerels off of her and the AGB cock growing out.