TRON Commentary (Podcast Special) feat

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  • @MrTBoneSF
    @MrTBoneSF 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    "This looks like a real laboratory". That's because is it. That's Lawrence Livermore Laboratory where at the time they had one of the world's most powerful lasers for doing nuclear fusion tests. The reason why there's one of the few cameras moves in "the real world" is because they were able to use the laboratory's industrial crane to mount the ginormous 70mm camera. That giant door is also the real door to the laboratory.

    • @kellinwinslow1988
      @kellinwinslow1988 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's a cool little callback that they used that door in Tron Legacy as well.

    • @MrTBoneSF
      @MrTBoneSF 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@kellinwinslow1988 You can tell the people who made Tron Legacy really loved the original and did their homework. That brief walk through Flynn's arcade was a treat to the ears in that they had the correct sounds coming out of every single arcade machine as the camera moved past. Ever since the 80s, almost every movie or tv show has used the same library of sound effects to represent "video game" (the Atari 2600 versions of Pac-Man and Donkey Kong) no matter the era of games, the hardware, or the genre. I've seen movies where people were playing modern first-person shooters on PCs in the 00s where it's still those same "Bonk! Bonk! Bonk! Beepbeepbeep!" sound effects from 1981. It's almost the video game equivalent of the Wilhelm scream- but not in a good way.

    • @kellinwinslow1988
      @kellinwinslow1988 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@MrTBoneSF Yes I agree. When his son turned on the arcade it was a fantastic moment. When the Journey music starts up it's perfect because of Journey doing 2 songs for the original. The Tron arcade was spot on and the moment when he goes into Flynn's old room above the arcade was a nice touch. You even see the old Mattel Football handheld Flynn had in the secret computer room.
      Legacy isn't perfect,the original wasn't either. But I felt like they at least cared about what they were doing when they made the film. Unlike the new Star Wars or Star Trek stuff which just feels slapped together in a cynical way to make money. Mr.H just did a video about Tron Legacy and how it's quite good. I'd have to agree. At least it was a sequel instead of just a reboot and it does feel different than the original which it should. There should have been a little more Tron,playing the PS3 game helps in that respect,and Clu's attempt to get into the real world was a little lame,but overall it's enjoyable and the father/son relationship is touching.

  • @ParentsNightIn
    @ParentsNightIn 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Saw this in the theater when it came out and I’ve been a huge fan ever since. Such an imaginative movie, way ahead of its time. Also the first Jeff Bridges film I ever saw. Music of course by the genius Wendy Carlos.

  • @sashaburrow6186
    @sashaburrow6186 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    My supervisor worked on TRON, he has quite a few interesting stories about what happened behind the scenes and how much work it was.

  • @white-dragon4424
    @white-dragon4424 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    When Sark walks into the prison and sees Flynn towards the end of the film he says, "No, you were derezzed, I saw you."
    Flynn replies, "Not me, Sark."
    It's because he saw Clu derezzed at the start of the movie, and seeing Flynn standing there makes him realise that he's the User he's been told to take care of by the MCP. The fact that Flynn seems to avoid being derezzed as if by magic visibly scares him, hence why he says, "There's nothing special about you, you're just an ordinary program."

  • @Moochtv
    @Moochtv 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Yey! You got my request! Now do The Black Hole!

  • @MrTBoneSF
    @MrTBoneSF 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    If you like Star Wars Rebels, you'll love Clone Wars, particularly the final season. You don't have to get four seasons into it before it kicks into high gear. If you're impatient you could jump into Season 2 if you want to get hooked. Then you could go back a watch individual Season 1 episodes intermixed with each season because most of those are pretty standalone- like most sci-fi tv series where the first season is finding their footing before going for multi-episode story and character arcs.

  • @NimonBePraised
    @NimonBePraised 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Concerning the time thing, they mention it in Tron legacy that seconds in the real world were hours in the grid. This is quite interesting because Kevin Flynn was stuck in the grid for 27 earth years which is 851472000 seconds. This is 851472000 hours in grid time if we assume 1 earth second is equal to 1 grid hour. From there we can discover that although Flynn was stuck in the grid for 27 earth years to him it would’ve felt like 97200 years.

    • @white-dragon4424
      @white-dragon4424 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, I don't think Legacy's writers and director quite get the idea of that concept, did they.

    • @NimonBePraised
      @NimonBePraised 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      White-Dragon I actually really like it, it sort of gives you a real idea of how tormented and pained Flynn must feel

    • @white-dragon4424
      @white-dragon4424 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@NimonBePraised Problem is, if you go by those rules then Flynn would've been long dead by the time Legacy took place.

    • @NimonBePraised
      @NimonBePraised 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      White-Dragon I always thought of it as users physically age the same way in the grid as they do in real life but they still feel the passage of time.

  • @kellinwinslow1988
    @kellinwinslow1988 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    His handheld is a Mattel Football game. I used to have it and it showed up in Tron Legacy as well. The Wayback machine is a reference to a cartoon from Rocky and Bullwinkle where a dog and a boy go back in time to study history. Also look out for Mickey Mouse in the background of a scene.
    It's about time you guys did this film. It really was ahead of it's time. There are issues with the film for sure and some weird editing problems,like the Grid Bugs scene,but it works in spite of itself.
    What does work is all the ideas it puts up on the screen. The idea that some of you goes into what you make is cool. The religious ideas of the programs being persecuted for belief in the users is interesting as is the idea of the programs fighting each other with their personalities/discs. The idea of the MCP being connected to different systems and taking them over is very modern. In that respect I feel people seeing it now catch on to the film faster than people,who had little or no idea about the internet,did then.
    Even though the graphics are dated the art design by Syd Mead and Mobius is so good that it still holds up. Plus Jeff Bridges is so charming that you can't help but like him. And David Warner is great as always. Tron Legacy is very good as well. What's cool about the 3D there is a kind of Wizard of Oz effect where it isn't 3D till they enter the Grid. Looks good on a 4K set up. The father son relationship is really well done. It would be great to hear Oliver do that commentary as well. And yes,1982 was the best year for films.

    • @kellinwinslow1988
      @kellinwinslow1988 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @James Quinn Well to be fair the Light Cycles go so fast that you can't blame them for crashing. And I always thought the discs made for an interesting weapon on the grid, even though there are other weapons.

  • @noahlawson8405
    @noahlawson8405 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    How come you made most of your film commentaries private? Copyright claims or potential strikes?

    • @ComicBookSyndicate
      @ComicBookSyndicate 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was halfway through the X-Men commentary when this happened!

  • @patwaters-actormoviereviewer
    @patwaters-actormoviereviewer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    1 of Walt Disney’s underrated classics.

    • @bjrmagic1
      @bjrmagic1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agree 100%

  • @mykal.7424
    @mykal.7424 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tron is one of my top 5 all time favorite films. I always wanted to experience it in 70mm which I've heard and read were spectacular. I own it on Blu Ray and probably the best laserdisc I've ever seen the Disney Archive Collection CAV box set. with hours on end of special features. A very special film for me.

  • @alfje5492
    @alfje5492 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Growing up in the 80s, I must have seen Tron or at least parts of it, but it was one of my first DVDs (an imported zone 1) and I loved it ever since!

  • @white-dragon4424
    @white-dragon4424 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    One suggestion to make these commentaries a bit more interesting. I know this movie like the back of my hand, but it'd make it a LOT more interesting if you included a little screen showing the movie in the corner of the picture, just to give us more of an idea of what you're commenting on. Surely the copyright people can't have you just for including a mini picture of the film playing in the corner?

    • @OliverHarper
      @OliverHarper  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You can't show the film in its entirety even if its in a small window.

    • @white-dragon4424
      @white-dragon4424 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@OliverHarper I guess it only works if they're so old and crap that they've dropped out of copyright, aye.

  • @LLamaDrunk
    @LLamaDrunk 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Light Cycles on the ZX Spectrum two player was epic!

  • @deWolfe1066
    @deWolfe1066 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oliver, are the Star Trek film commentaries still available? If so where can I find as only got up to ST:IV and dying to listen to the Next Gen film commentaries!!

  • @white-dragon4424
    @white-dragon4424 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    At the time this movie was made home computers were practically unheard of. Most programs that the general public used were games. Anything other than games were those used solely in the office or labs, hence why programs like Crom are seen as totally alienated by the idea of playing video games.

  • @therealbrushguy
    @therealbrushguy 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Two of my favorite youtubers, commenting on one of my favorite movies! Can it get more awesome? ;) Thanks, guys!

  • @white-dragon4424
    @white-dragon4424 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think the reason why the MCP turned into a little old man on a typewriter at the end is because he was originally a crude control program like Windows 1.0, hence the reason why he looks like an older version of Dumont.

    • @Alamagosa
      @Alamagosa 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      There is a lot of that in the movie. Dumont was old because he was an input/output program and part of the underlying operating system.

  • @rstep00
    @rstep00 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Would you consider doing retrospective/reviews on the classic planet of the apes series? Would love to see your opinions on them.

    • @OliverHarper
      @OliverHarper  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah I would be up for covering the first film as I really enjoyed that.

    • @kellinwinslow1988
      @kellinwinslow1988 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@OliverHarper The new ones are great as well. One if the best remakes in recent memory and a great trilogy. They really could have messed them up but they actually outdid the originals.

  • @MrTBoneSF
    @MrTBoneSF 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    How is it that the CG for the computer world in Tron looks so much better than that in Lawnmower Man which was done a decade later on hardware that was literally 1000x more powerful? I guess when you have Syd Mead and Moebius as your designers (which explains the Akira vehicle similarity) they can make smart choices for what will look good with the available tech.

    • @jacobturnerart
      @jacobturnerart 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Because so much of Tron is hand drawn.

    • @texturem0nkey
      @texturem0nkey 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They used the CGI really sparingly in Tron, and had a very explicitly designed style to adhere to. By the time they got around to making Lawnmower Man, graphics/pipelines were so much more powerful and there were a lot more tools to play with. But the strict adherence to style was not so much a necessity anymore, and computer graphics were still novel enough that trying lots of new techniques to yield ANYTHING was still interesting and worthwhile. In that way it is preferable that Tron came out when it did, and it has a more timeless style because of it. Lawnmower Man, while still cool and a curiosity, does end up looking more dated.

  • @Alamagosa
    @Alamagosa 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looks like a laboratory? It was; they filmed at Project Shiva at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. When I saw the movie in the theater, I recognized it.

  • @Aearonjer
    @Aearonjer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I had the frisbee from focus video. Good times.

  • @nicholascaldwell3396
    @nicholascaldwell3396 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can’t wait for Tron legacy review or commentary.

  • @white-dragon4424
    @white-dragon4424 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    There were only two home video games based on Tron, and they were by Intellivision. They were Tron Deadly Disks and Maze a Tron. Correction. I just remembered they also did a game for their Intellivoice module called Tron Solar Sailer.

    • @DLWormwood
      @DLWormwood 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mattel Electronic’s M Network label did release a couple of Tron games for the 2600, but they didn’t work quite the same as the Intellivision versions. (One was even reimagined as a platformer instead of the overhead perspective of the INTV games.)

    • @kellinwinslow1988
      @kellinwinslow1988 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep actually still have all 3. Actually I have every Tron game. There are 12,14 if you count the arcade games. Just had my 14 year old cousin try some of them out to show him what Tron is about. After playing Tron Run'r for the PS4 he wanted to try other Tron games. Pretty cool that it still interests kids now.

  • @white-dragon4424
    @white-dragon4424 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Intellivision had three games based on Tron, one of which used early voice synthesis.

  • @AdrianMendoza23
    @AdrianMendoza23 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's still a beautiful film. I would love for you guys to do a commentary on the sequel now.

  • @jacobturnerart
    @jacobturnerart 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tron explains why when I log into my work PC, half the programs have vanished seemingly at random. They were killed on the Game Grid.

  • @zachthezombie
    @zachthezombie 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think one of the issues with the young Jeff bridges in Tron legacy was that Jeff bridges mouth these days moves like Stallone's mouths d seeing the way his face moves on a younger deadeyed cgi version just adds to the uncanny vallyness

  • @EyeInTheSky982
    @EyeInTheSky982 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ironically, I found the main villian in the videogame Mass Effect: Andromeda (the Arcon) sounded exactly like the Master Control Program in Tron. 🤔🤔

  • @DeadTalkLive
    @DeadTalkLive 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video 👍! As a fellow TH-camr, I am on the lookout for fresh ideas! Nice Job!

  • @white-dragon4424
    @white-dragon4424 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey, Ollie, I know exactly who the MCP was supposed to represent. Well, look at it this way, Dillinger (David Warner) programmed it, and Warner provided both its face and its voice. Oh, and I believe that the figure shown at the end on the typewriter is supposed to look like a computer world interpretation of a word processor like Microsoft Word, so he must've started off as that, then expanded into things like strategy gaming like Chess, before eventually gaining self awareness.

  • @asifkhan4822
    @asifkhan4822 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tron was I think the first video game movie, which nobody else was doing at the time. A complete failure at the time, it has attained a cult following via the video market boom of the mid to late eighties. This movie was very influential on the future of the CGI industry including the likes of Pixar & Apple etc... The CGI in this film would look very basic next to today's movies. In the making of feature on the Special Edition DVD/Bluray they said the graphics here could be done on a kids computer now. The sequel Tron Legacy suffered the same fate, but it did appear to lose some of the charm of this movie. I did enjoy the visual look of Legacy which updated the look of the Tron world.

    • @white-dragon4424
      @white-dragon4424 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The thing is, you wouldn't want the special effects to look any different, because it was trying to catch the atmosphere of the arcades and video games of the period, which it does perfectly. I also prefer the actors to look like they're blended in with the background, rather than looking like actors with fancy props like Legacy did it.

    • @asifkhan4822
      @asifkhan4822 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@white-dragon4424 Oh I totally agree, but I think parts of the visuals did look good and I think they were trying to appeal to new fans rather than old fans like you and me. It might probably take awhile before Legacy gets treated the same way as Tron finally became a cult classic. I think the next movie needs to figure out how to blend the two styles along with a stronger storyline.

    • @white-dragon4424
      @white-dragon4424 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@asifkhan4822 I'm not sure if it'd work again, what with modern video games trying to emulate reality. The reason why Tron worked is because the games of the period were so limited, so they had to be eccentric and weird looking, hence the reason why the computer world was all of these weird shapes and neon colours. The original was just beautiful to watch.
      The Moog symphonizer music was equally effective in catching the "blip! blop!" of the games' sound effects, and the added orchestra and choir gave a grandiose spiritual feeling. The original just had a "heart" that wasn't present in Legacy.

    • @asifkhan4822
      @asifkhan4822 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      White-Dragon True Tron was a product of its time that may not be able to be replicated. But what if they expanded the world and came at it from a different angle. I think the problem with these films is that they are too focused on the visuals, maybe if they developed a stronger story or if it won’t work in a live action movie switch to anime. After all Tron had a huge impact on anime that burst out on the scene, case in point Kaneda bike in Akira appears to be modelled on the light cycles. A new Tron could work for the next generation if the filmmakers think outside the box and don’t get tied down to replicating the original movie.

    • @white-dragon4424
      @white-dragon4424 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@asifkhan4822 Oh yes, definitely the concept has prospects, but only if they avoid trying to make any future films into fan film semi-remakes like they did with Legacy (I also hated the "blackout" aesthetics of Legacy). They really need to take the brightly coloured aesthetics of the original and work a proper plot into that, with Tron himself maybe filling the Dumont role and having a plot focused on something like a computer virus or hacking. For example, a virus could take the form of an invading "Nazi" like army invading the system.

  • @stantheman9072
    @stantheman9072 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Peter Jurasik’s name is pronounced jur-ah-sik, with emphasis on the first syllable.

  • @MrAmpsycho
    @MrAmpsycho 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The orange! th-cam.com/video/8-bcrhG7cak/w-d-xo.html

  • @ConquerCollin
    @ConquerCollin 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This review was pretty bland and meandering

    • @ConquerCollin
      @ConquerCollin 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@theplagueddoctor3686 The commentary was pretty bland and meandering

    • @TheDarkHour684
      @TheDarkHour684 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      But so is your life