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- In this show, I'm joined by Christian PhD student Seth Hart to provide a charitable analysis of the top 3 arguments in favor of reincarnation. We look at an argument from science, an argument from ethics, and an argument from theology.
Seth Hart is a PhD candidate in Science and Religion at Durham University. He holds a graduate degree in Science and Religion from the University of Oxford, where he served as a Clarendon Scholar. He cohosts the podcast Spiritually Incorrect.
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Cameron, thank you for recording this episode! When I first began researching Christianity I was coming from a new age/buddhist background which dabbled in the ideas of reincarnation. This was a contentious point in my interior life which caused me lots of anguish, and no arguments from the Christian side ever seemed to help. Thanks again for this dialogue, it was very enlightening.
Praise the Most High! 💕💕
Please do more of this! There are so many people who believe in reincarnation, even christians. Apologists cannot ignore this anymore!
@@SlavicOracle The wages of sin is death. People who die when they aren’t Christian get second chances? Reincarnation is antibiblical. Christ is risen. You are not.
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First things first, yes, you are correct.
But people don't know OFH as much as they should to reliably counter it on a intellectually honest field.
How many Christians are geared with the knowledge to temper the seemingly new storm with New Atheism falling apart and Eastern OFH are just given a subtle pass.
This is why more attention and the caliber of scripture should be pointed at these 1950 year old beliefs and just like we did with Christianity, examine them with great care to see how much holds water, this goes for us as custodians and those on the consideration list of those thinking on dedicating themselves to something either more(Christianity) or seemingly, yet not more(OFH(Original Faith Heresies/pagan).
As we slowly remove each layer, we apply YHWH's Will and the history of man and how these self attempts at attornment will not work have been long warned that it stands no chance of working, but we need to take the approach like no-one knows what sin(The practice of separation from God) is nor what it means to be separated from God(Hell and eventually, Abaddon).
Also, reincarnation is nothing like reresection, nor restoration.
Here is why.
Reresection is to be made whole, healed of the fickleness of what we have come to call human nature, which is in actuality ahuman nature.
Reincarnation is to be transformed into a different state of being in regards to the hierarchy in all of creation, from being down graded to an angel, then to a intermediary being, similar to an angel, then an animal, than a plant, then complex bacteria, then simple bacterium, or in the best case, being formed into a god, not God, but a god, which is every other category combined below God Himself, strictly speaking.
Jesus said: "This generation shall not pass until all is fulfilled."
Jesus said: "This Generation Shall Not Pass Until All is Fulfilled." Hmmmm.
Revelation 3:12
He that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out (reincarnate)
John 9
As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”
The question isn’t about reincarnation. That was assumed to be true otherwise Jesus would have corrected the disciple. The question was about karma.
belief in reincarnation > belief earth was created in 6 days
Like how you're branching into other things, makes this channel mor interesting
It sounds more like familiar spirits communicating with children. That’s a more likely possibility. Mediums often use spirits to ascertain information about certain individuals. It’s possible that the spirits of those people attached themselves to the individuals
I just read a book by an experienced catholic exorzist and he wrote that spirits can't do such things. They can't communicate with the living or influence them. Only demons can. Would make sense. Demons try to get us away from God so they would have an interest that people believe in falsehoods like reincarnation and turn away from God.
Thats exactly what happens. Demons use people with a scar or something else what a other person had who died. This is deception big time. Thats why it happens mostly in India
Exactly. People who buy into this limd of evidence aren't considering the alternative spiritual explanations. Some reports have been exposed as lies, but many aren't, but they only prove there's some kind of vehicle of shared or transmitted memory or lived narratives over time. Tgat can be facilitated sny number of ways. It doesn't mean you ARE Cleopatra. Coupled with Karma, reincarnation is used to excuse all kinds of evil and it mathematically leads to absurdities and makes a mockery of individual rights and moral identity.
There's a reason why societies who whole heartedly buy into this do not act egalitarian and make excuses for extreme evils. They increase say innocent victims deserve what they get because they must have been evil in a past life.
This isn’t how any of the kids describe it though. They aren’t saying “a ghost told me”. They talk about their memories as if it happened to them.
I loved this conversation.
There is so much to think about.
Thank you! ⚘️
🐟 09. REINCARNATION (OR NOT):
Just as there is NOTHING about an individual person (neither any particle of matter, nor any mental object whatsoever) which remains intact from conception till death, there is NOTHING about the individual person (that is, the “ego”, as defined in the following chapter) which transfers to another body after death, except, perhaps, habitual tendencies in the form of indelible mental impressions (“vāsanā”, in Sanskrit).
For example, in my present incarnation, I have a strong affinity for the culture of Bhārata (India), a highly-advanced intellectual capacity, a very slim body, and an attraction to a frugivorous diet. That suggests there was an Indian spiritual master in the previous century which had some (or perhaps, even all) of these characteristics, but it was not “ME”, since what I am now is this ever-mutable Australian-born Aryan gentleman.
These “subtle mind impressions” are known in psychology as the “collective unconscious”, in new-age spirituality as the “akashic records”, and in Islam as the “Preserved Tablet”. There is an abundance of evidence that humans are born with certain psycho-emotive links to previous persons, times and places. It is far beyond the purview of this document to list such evidences. As mentioned, in my case, I have an EXTREMELY strong association with all things Indian, despite not being of Indian origin, and the “collective unconscious” hypothesis seems to be the best explanation for this bond currently available, in my opinion (although the term “collective conscious” would, perhaps, be more accurate).
For the popular view of reincarnation to be plausible, there would need to be an entity or an OBJECT called a “soul” (“jīva” or “ātman”, in Sanskrit), which somehow finds a copulating couple, then enters the woman’s uterus, to inhabit a zygote.
Assuming the existence of an individual spiritual soul is profoundly illogical, because spirit is (by most definitions) the antithesis of finite matter. Therefore, how can an immaterial “soul” be confined to a single person’s body?
It seems rather strange to believe that the universe was organized naturalistically in such a manner as to recycle an object called a “soul”, or even to recycle minds, particularly when one understands that a mind is naught but a series of flickering thoughts, feelings, images, and memories. Some believe that the “thing” which transfers to the next incarnation are the remnants of one's actions (“vāsanā” or “saṃskāra”, in Sanskrit) or at least one's psychological disposition (likes, dislikes, phobias, etcetera). This is far closer to the idea of the collective unconscious, and even if it is a perfectly accurate account of what occurs after death, it still cannot give substance to the notion of a SEPARATE individual which is travelling from one body to another and again to another (“saṃsāra”, in Sanskrit).
According to the law of conservation of energy, first proposed and tested by Émilie du Châtelet, energy can neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it can only be transformed or transferred from one form to another. Both this law, and Dr. Leonard Susskind's minus-first law of physics, states that energy/information is indestructible.
The analogy of one candle being lit by another candle is apt. Are the two flames the same flame or completely different flames? According to those laws, PART of the energy is transferred from one wick to the other wick, a portion of the energy is released by the flame, and part of the energy remains with the original candle.
Regarding reincarnation, a rather appropriate analogy could be that of a whirlpool in a stream of liquid. A whirlpool is a definite form within a river but, just like the human form itself, it is never static. Some water molecules which were once swirling within one whirlpool may move farther downstream, mix with other water particles, and form a new, distinct whirlpool.
So, in my particular case, it is eminently possible that a vast amount of “Indian energy” was transferred to my psyche from one or more persons from Bhārata (the proper name of the country), plus the addition of genetic matter from my Persian parents and their Aryan heritage. The fact that BOTH Iranians and North Indians are Aryan seems to add further credence to my hypothesis, even if to a small degree.
Of course, there is no conclusive proof for such types of claims at this stage in human history, but the evidence is certainly extant, and as mentioned, the profusion of evidence available goes far beyond the purview of this document. One ought to do one's own thorough research into the matter, rather than relying on anecdotal testimonies. There are several well-documented books and videos published on the subject.
There is not the slightest doubt in my mind that my essential nature has NOT transferred from one body to another body, because I have fully understood and realized, by practicing the four systems of yoga/religion described in Chapter 16, that my true nature is Brahman (see Chapters 06 & 10 to learn of the Real Self). There is no such thing as a “soul” or “spirit”, unless, of course, one defines those words to mean the subject (that is, the observer of all temporal phenomena), and logically, the subject cannot be an object, at least in the transactional sphere.
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This was sensational .. I have been thinking about this topic for a while .... so glad to brought all this to light 😊
This is awesome! Thanks for continuing to address this issue. There aren't many Christian responses besides JP and Habermas
first 30 secs was silent
Thanks for the heads up :)
He was saying the n word on repeat.
It was the best part
Firstly, I am 75 years old, not a young whippersnapper and I grew up in a conservative, Christian environment. My first memory happened as a teen; I occasionally have had memories of past life memories at other times throughout my life. I am relating what I have experienced, wide awake, without regression or any other prompting other than events in life that jarred my memory. It would happen the same way as when you look at a kid on a swing and then remember when you did that as a kid yourself. A completely organic memory. I had the emotions, sensations, and clear physical perceptions of the event. None of these memories were sought out by me, nor have I placed undue importance on them, any more than I place on any memory in this life. For instance, in my last life, I died when a submarine I served on sank, and I was crushed by water pressure as the boat flooded before I had a chance to drown. Maybe because I "relived" the experience during the recall, I have no fear of water or being crushed.
I am a writer, and the only reason I am researching reincarnation at this time is because I am writing an article on the subject. I will be watching the rest of the video, but I thought I would throw in my take. Later this month, my article will appear on the shadetreemusing blog, which can be googled for anyone interested. In the article will be more info on some of my memories.
Watch "the egg"
Do you remember, in your past life, were you Christian at all?
@@jinger_m No, but that doesn't mean I was or wasn't. The content of each memory did not involve religion one way or the other. Since I suspect I have had many, many past lives, I would imagine I had the religious beliefs of the culture I lived in. In any case, any beliefs I had in past lives would not be relevant to my current beliefs, which are basically Christian in the Mystic traditions.
Uncle, get an Akashic record reading from an authentic guy to know your previous life.
Great episode!
You need to get Jim B Tucker on the show if you want to explore this topic.
And Michael Sudduth who is his most formidable critic.
This is a really REALLY good conversation. I’ve had intrusive thoughts/flashbacks of what would have to be a previous life, but it definitely did not enrich my life- it was such a darkness. I don’t know what was going on, but I’m personally suspicious of it. I cant undo it, but I can move on, turn to God and be a source of light and goodness in this world. This stuff is freaky.
I think a big part of the conversation is missing about what Reincarnation is from the perspective of Eastern Religions.
They don't have a Western conception of the Soul. In which Soul retains the intellect, will, ego or memories.
In Eastern thought, what Reincarnates is another body, the Subtle body which carries the impression of the physical gross body. The Soul or the Self/Consciousness, never actually Reincarnates.
This would explain memories not surviving as memories come from the brain, and without the brain what carries forward are subtle impressions and instincts, which eventually fade away
Then why are there memories at all? Why is any of this evidence even there, or relevant? Why are families in Eastern religion contexts making these claims then?
@@ravissary79 Memories die mostly with the death of the brain, but the subtle body sometimes carries imprints or bits of information and these bits are carried in the new life.
@@st.mephisto8564 yes but why only some people have this?
we know thousands of people are tortured so much that you cannot even imagine why dont they carry this?
also when you are freed from this cycle of rebirth , where does the soul goes?
These stories sound a lot like the stories relayed by mediums in the book Siren Song of Hungry Ghosts, i.e. lots of true information they person couldn't know, but also lots of info that either can't be confirmed for is confirmed to be false.
Skip to 5:51, there was an audio issue
Wow, James Leininger is the “best example” for reincarnation but it’s not in your top 3 best examples? And you said it was a hit because he had the same name? And he got the plane wrong? Wow, you’re either disingenuous or you didn’t do proper research. He said he flew a Corsair but the boat he supposedly flew from did not have Corsairs. They came to find out James was a test pilot for Corsairs at the time which solidified his testimony.
Cameron, since you said you notice comments: Hello! I luv you my brother in Christ, big fan of the channel for a while. I hope everyone's doing well recently... And how are you today?(rhetorical)
lol 💚
Thank you for addressing the concept of /meaningful/ free will. Free will is a powerful theodicy, but it has to be meaningful. "I have made you free-willed! You are free to choose which door you take." "But there's only one door..."
We are making Robert and AI. They need to be able to make decesions themselves, we gave them the free will. But it is important that the intelligence we create don't and won't hurt human. In your way of thinking, this must be freewill with only one door, isn't it?
@@jinger_m AI is not what people think. All those stories of artificial consciousness are wrong. We aren't anywhere near such a thing, and never will be. I wrote a whole novel about AI just because no one else writing stories about it understands it. However convincing a chatbot might be for a moment, it is not and never will be a person with consciousness, because consciousness is not a product of this universe. It comes from Outside.
@@TheOldWay192Whether human are capable to make human level conscious intelligence is not the point. Take chatgpt for example, it needs to make decesions by itself when giving answers. If we are going to make intelligent beings capable of making decesions and work alongside with human, we need to think about how to regulate it so it won't come up with answer that is biased, illegal, and immoral. It is relative that the creator needs to ensure the intelligent beings he created is having a free will to be able make decesions at the same time only to make the moral decesions.
@@jinger_m Ah, then I misunderstand your reply. God as a purpose to create companions who can love. Meaningful free will is important in that project because love is only love if it's given meaningfully freely. Since we can't create an AI who is a person capable of love, we don't care about that, so there's no objection to us creating AI with limitations on their decision space. That's not a limiting of free will because the AI doesn't have a will at all, much less a free one. It's just a machine with programmed responses. Have I understood your distinction correctly?
Something we can't explain is here is here🙌👏👏👏
Kindly repeat that in ENGLISH, Miss.☝️
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
Ian Stevenson passed away 16 years ago. These 3 cases are outdated. Reincarnation claims happen everywhere, Jim Tucker has done a lot more research since these claims that are much stronger. Hopefully we get to those.
🐟 09. REINCARNATION (OR NOT):
Just as there is NOTHING about an individual person (neither any particle of matter, nor any mental object whatsoever) which remains intact from conception till death, there is NOTHING about the individual person (that is, the “ego”, as defined in the following chapter) which transfers to another body after death, except, perhaps, habitual tendencies in the form of indelible mental impressions (“vāsanā”, in Sanskrit).
For example, in my present incarnation, I have a strong affinity for the culture of Bhārata (India), a highly-advanced intellectual capacity, a very slim body, and an attraction to a frugivorous diet. That suggests there was an Indian spiritual master in the previous century which had some (or perhaps, even all) of these characteristics, but it was not “ME”, since what I am now is this ever-mutable Australian-born Aryan gentleman.
These “subtle mind impressions” are known in psychology as the “collective unconscious”, in new-age spirituality as the “akashic records”, and in Islam as the “Preserved Tablet”. There is an abundance of evidence that humans are born with certain psycho-emotive links to previous persons, times and places. It is far beyond the purview of this document to list such evidences. As mentioned, in my case, I have an EXTREMELY strong association with all things Indian, despite not being of Indian origin, and the “collective unconscious” hypothesis seems to be the best explanation for this bond currently available, in my opinion (although the term “collective conscious” would, perhaps, be more accurate).
For the popular view of reincarnation to be plausible, there would need to be an entity or an OBJECT called a “soul” (“jīva” or “ātman”, in Sanskrit), which somehow finds a copulating couple, then enters the woman’s uterus, to inhabit a zygote.
Assuming the existence of an individual spiritual soul is profoundly illogical, because spirit is (by most definitions) the antithesis of finite matter. Therefore, how can an immaterial “soul” be confined to a single person’s body?
It seems rather strange to believe that the universe was organized naturalistically in such a manner as to recycle an object called a “soul”, or even to recycle minds, particularly when one understands that a mind is naught but a series of flickering thoughts, feelings, images, and memories. Some believe that the “thing” which transfers to the next incarnation are the remnants of one's actions (“vāsanā” or “saṃskāra”, in Sanskrit) or at least one's psychological disposition (likes, dislikes, phobias, etcetera). This is far closer to the idea of the collective unconscious, and even if it is a perfectly accurate account of what occurs after death, it still cannot give substance to the notion of a SEPARATE individual which is travelling from one body to another and again to another (“saṃsāra”, in Sanskrit).
According to the law of conservation of energy, first proposed and tested by Émilie du Châtelet, energy can neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it can only be transformed or transferred from one form to another. Both this law, and Dr. Leonard Susskind's minus-first law of physics, states that energy/information is indestructible.
The analogy of one candle being lit by another candle is apt. Are the two flames the same flame or completely different flames? According to those laws, PART of the energy is transferred from one wick to the other wick, a portion of the energy is released by the flame, and part of the energy remains with the original candle.
Regarding reincarnation, a rather appropriate analogy could be that of a whirlpool in a stream of liquid. A whirlpool is a definite form within a river but, just like the human form itself, it is never static. Some water molecules which were once swirling within one whirlpool may move farther downstream, mix with other water particles, and form a new, distinct whirlpool.
So, in my particular case, it is eminently possible that a vast amount of “Indian energy” was transferred to my psyche from one or more persons from Bhārata (the proper name of the country), plus the addition of genetic matter from my Persian parents and their Aryan heritage. The fact that BOTH Iranians and North Indians are Aryan seems to add further credence to my hypothesis, even if to a small degree.
Of course, there is no conclusive proof for such types of claims at this stage in human history, but the evidence is certainly extant, and as mentioned, the profusion of evidence available goes far beyond the purview of this document. One ought to do one's own thorough research into the matter, rather than relying on anecdotal testimonies. There are several well-documented books and videos published on the subject.
There is not the slightest doubt in my mind that my essential nature has NOT transferred from one body to another body, because I have fully understood and realized, by practicing the four systems of yoga/religion described in Chapter 16, that my true nature is Brahman (see Chapters 06 & 10 to learn of the Real Self). There is no such thing as a “soul” or “spirit”, unless, of course, one defines those words to mean the subject (that is, the observer of all temporal phenomena), and logically, the subject cannot be an object, at least in the transactional sphere.
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Well it seems you’re living in an oxymoronic paradox. Either you believe in the transference of the soul into other bodies or the soul can not be contained in one body. So before you continue anything else that would confuse other people from your confusion, as yourself can spiritual matter exist in physical bodies. I assume you assert yes in the affirmative. Now, the mind can not be a series of nought but flickering thoughts, ideas and feelings and also posses the ability to be transferable. So based on that definition if there were any memories passed on, they shouldn’t exist after one has passed. The problem with the law of conservation is that it is a proposed, hypothetical model. It’s incomplete and incorrect. It’s based on the assumption that the universe is a closed system which it is not. Things actually leave our dimension pass through others and return. Some objects are “lost” all together. All of this to say there are other explanations for your personal experiences other than what you’ve excepted. For example did you know epigenetics could explain your desire for Indian cuisine even though you haven’t tasted it. That genetic memory is proven to go back at least 6 generations and possibly many more. So if your ancestors are from the culture it was passed on to you via genetic memory? Another is in sociology when you think another culture is superior to your own so you gravitate towards that culture. Two examples that explain you situation and neither one of them spiritual. But to even address spirituality, you have to learn the difference between spirit and soul. Then you can understand demonic or “spiritual” possession. My desire is that you come to Jesus and be filled with the Holy Spirit which can lead you into all truth
Definitely interesting
General Patton believed he was a reincarnated warrior fighting with Romans, Napoleon and WW2. He certainly was born to be a general.
Does anyone know if they discuss General Patton’s reincarnation claims? He was leader of the US third army in WW2.
Prof Stephen Braude and Prof Michael Sudduth offer some good critiques though from different approaches
Thank you, Cameron, for all your work! Your channel substantially combats the argument against Catholics, that they only care about people becoming Catholic and not the salvation of their souls. We know that's a false dichotomy. Your content induces the cognitive dissonance for that world view. Keep up the good work! God bless you and your family.
I was hoping Seth would’ve talked about the James Leininger case:
James Leininger is the son of Bruce and Andrea Leininger, a Protestant couple in Louisiana in the United States. Beginning at the age of two, he made statements and demonstrated behaviors that suggested he remembered the life of an American pilot killed during World War II, a young man who has now been identified as one James M. Huston, Jr. The case has garnered significant attention, as the Leiningers told their story in several television interviews and eventually wrote a book about their experiences.
It gets brought up at the end during Q&A :)
That's a hard one but do I believe in reincarnation? No
@@sethhart998great video fellow Seth!
there is a spirit realm and a spirit can take posession of an individual and speak of historic incidents.
@@sethhart998 Great i will watch for it. Thanks for reply!
I couldn't even finish this because Seth was saying so many things which go entirely against my own observations and research to the point I suspected he was giving into a bias against reincarnation and even being flat out dishonest, for instance every time I see Tucker (one of the researchers he cites multiple times) get asked for his strongest case he always mentions the same couple, neither of which appear here instead Seth provides three cases and claims they're the ones Tucker holds in the highest regard ones which are way easier to explain away, Tucker always actually cites the "marty martin" case as one of if not the most compelling and it among many other's DO entail children from very far away from where the prior life was lived something he explains with great emphasis never happens.
If you want to see the children speak for themselves, their parent's, homes and their stories straight from the mouths of the source go up into the search bar and start typing in some of the names like "Jim Tucker" listen to his talks, he cites numerous cases with things in them Seth assures us aren't in them, look up the "Marty Martin" case and watch the kid himself and his family tell it, watch any episode of "ghost inside my child" a documentary series where pretty much every episode I seen, if not every single one was kids from families didn't believe in reincarnation at all, some of them didn't even know what it was and neither did their children, some of them even tried hard to convince their children it was false and discourage them from talking about it because it went against their religion, which is why I suspect Seth Hart is talking so oddly here, claiming lot's of things which simply aren't true about the research.
I agree ...And there are Reincarnation cases reported even in Mainland China which are not part of these studies
What would Groucho Marx or Yogi Berra say about reincarnation? “I used to believe in reincarnation, but that was in a former life”.
I'm so thrilled Cam became Christian. I respect him so much.
He also became a Catholic Christian!
There seem to be a lingering aspect unacknowledged by those who are on both sides of the freewill debate.
Is infinite choices that much better than a well thought-out shortlist, and is that shortlist better than no abundance or a overwhelming abundance?
Reincarnation sounds entirely possible for the following reasons:
1. Everything in the world seems to work cyclically. We have summer and winter, day and night, being awake and sleeping, etc. Even the entire universe could exist in cycles, meaning that from time to time it renews itself in a new big bang. Reincarnation would fit in there because it's just another cycle of life and death.
2. Some say that reincarnation doesn't make sense because the human population is increasing. But it actually makes perfect sense. Especially in Hinduism and Buddhism, every soul has to work its way up. That means you could be a bacterium, then an ant, then a bird, then a cat, then a monkey, and finally a human. Human population growth would only mean more souls reaching human life. In addition, there could be souls that come from another universe. You may say that animals cannot consciously work on themselves, but so what? A learning process can also be observed in animals, although it is less conscious than in humans.
3. You don't have to remember your past lives. You just get whatever you need to grow in this life and you will grow. The challenges you face are determined by past life choices, but you don't need to know that. You're gonna grow anyway. Having memories of past lives would be like taking an exam and having a cheat sheet with all the answers. If you say it is immoral that there is no memory, I would ask why? If you had all your memory, growing spiritually would no longer be a challenge. In systems of belief in reincarnation, there is often no God, which means there is no morality. It's just cause and effect. Their sense of morality could simply be a survival instinct, which includes the herd instinct.
I hope someone can debunk this because I want to believe in Jesus
I am an atheist and I still wonder about the cyclical nature of the world.
But the soul idea still doesn't make sense and the what is good and what is bad also, seems to me to be more a concept.
there's no need to debunk it. you just have to think about the implications IF that was true. like you said, in that scenario there's no god and no morality. it's the same as atheism. if reincarnation is true, it makes no practical difference. how can we benefit from reincarnation? will it advance technology? knowledge? what could it possibly do for us that we can't get with atheism? you make some assumptions that are unsubstantiated. souls that come from another universe? you get whatever you need to grow in this life? you WILL grow? how did you come to those conclusions? what do you even mean by grow?
Hey man, I'm glad you're reaching out and are desiring to believe in Jesus. Let me respond to your points and give my own thoughts.
1. The examples you gave of cyclical patterns are all based on the fact that the earth is a sphere and rotates. So of course there are cycles when the thing is a circle. However, every other cycle is a combination of linear actions. A tree only grows upwards. A meteor hits earth but doesn't travel back up into space. Sunlight does not go back into the sun. Only on earth does rain collect into lakes and lakes evaporate into rain like a cycle. On many other planets, water just evaporates and disappears into space. Only on earth is new life permitted to be formed. If there was an life on Venus, it's been burned up. No more cycles there. So yes, there are instances where things happen in cycles, but it's far from the case that _they have to be_. And that's important, because if those cycles don't _have to_ exist, then there is no deeper law of nature that requires that everything which dies has to come back to life. Rather, what we see is a very rare scenario where there are just the right conditions for life to exist on Earth and maybe some other planets. This is more consistent with there being an intelligent Creator than any kind of necessity. If it was necessary, you'd see cycles everywhere.
2 & 3. I'll say that if the universe was on an infinite cycle with no beginning, then anything that happens today would have happened an infinite number of times before, even if completely random. Because even if there's a 1/1000000 chance of humans existing, there was so much time that it would've happened infinitely already. If that's true than every soul would have already had an infinite amount of time to perfect itself. If that's the case, then everyone would be in whatever heavenly state is believed by reincarnation already. That's a logical necessity. However long is required, after an _infinite_ number of universe cycles, that time already happened _many_ times over. So, there must either be a beginning to the universe or your soul. If that's the case, how was your soul or the universe created? Spiritual substances are immaterial. But if they're immaterial, there is no kind of matter to make them out of. If that's the case, we need a creator of new souls. If the universe was created, then there was no matter prior to the universe to make it out of. But to create something without using some previous stuff to make it out of is to create it ex nihilo. But to have the power to create something out of nothing requires ultimate power. But to have ultimate power is to be God. Therefore, God exists and created. Jesus is amazing and I love Him dearly. It's worth a shot giving your life to Him and attend the Holy Church that He instituted in Catholicism. God bless!
@@journeyfiveonesix Thanks for your answer! Yes, that sounds reasonable. I will think about it. Another point I've always taken as an indication of reincarnation is evolution. Man has evolved from small organisms to man, so the soul could also have worked its way up from below. But as you said, this would also just be a series of linear processes. It would make sense that a god created the body like this and then when it was finished gave it the human soul. The argument that at some point there was a beginning and therefore a creator is understandable, I definitely admit that. And admittedly, the idea that at some point in a past life I looked in the mirror and saw the face of a different person than who I am now is a bit scary. My family has believed in reincarnation for generations and my father says he even has past life memories, so I've always taken that as a fact. The Bible does make sense though, and I would really like it to be the truth. I pray my faith grows. Thanks for giving me some new food for thought. And yes, from what I've learned so far, if the Bible is true, then the Catholic Church is the correct one. God bless!
@@agrikantus9422 what doesn't make sense about a soul? It is the animating principle for a living body.
Without it, your body is just a lifeless corpse.
I started painting portraits at age 48. Never took a lesson. My work is professional. I had two past lives as an artist. One in Holland and the other in Portugal. I am also a very good actor. It came naturally to me. Had a past life as a Shakespearean actor in England in the mid 1700's.
You develop your talents and then take them with you.
Look at Mozart. He wrote his first piano concerta at age 4.
You will have another life after you transition and in that life you will learn and grow. Or would you rather sit on a cloud for eternity?
Some where in the Bible says " into my father's house i will come and go no more out" or something like that, cant remember where i saw it or the exact words but i know i saw it.
Reincarnation seems to me far more plausible than the doctrine of eternal reward and eternal damnation.
Why would we receive an eternal result for a finite existence?
Because God is generous and loving, a good Father. And if you are tempted to say that a "good" father would never serve anyone eternal damnation, that is true, that's why He doesn't. One chooses it via free will of the choices we knowingly make.
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Monstrous nonsense.
Perhaps there's an infinity to this life that you're excluding.
@@cristinamz2137 You've addressed eternal damnation somewhat but not eternal reward. I think everyone would prefer and FREELY CHOOSE an existence of eternal bliss, so by your reasoning there is really no reason why anyone should not end up in Heaven for all eternity.
@@newglof9558 such as?
CS Lewis said if a thousand lifetimes would help then they would be given
I've never believed in post-genesis reincarnation, but I do believe that before creation there was a kind of proto-earth that was wiped out by a great flood. And I believe some of the sentient life forms from that proto-earth were given the opportunity to be reborn in this creation as humans, to go through the trials we face here, and have a chance at Redemption and living with our Lord, rather than being doomed to being erased from existence.
55:21 it's not about justice, it's about reformation. A system optimised for transformation is far better than a system optimised for fairness. Everyone should prefer a justice system which transforms criminals over one that makes them suffer they're really button away that's not optimised for transformation. It's really not clear that remembering the things you did wrong and past lives with help you become a better person now. Even when we do minor things wrong in this life I can create an incredible amount of mental disturbance. Adding to that the degree and quantity of things we may have done wrong past lives cat very possibly destroy our ability to become a better person now.
I think what you mean by "reformation" rather than justice is what I called virtue-formative in that slide on the two ways of interpreting karmic justice. I use the term justice, still, because this is still often considered a form of justice (sometimes called restorative justice and contrasted with retributive justice). I think the thought experiment can be adapted to fit whatever karmic system one holds to, though.
@@sethhart998 That vocab is helpful. Yes, I mean informative rather than retributive justice. I'm not sure how you'd adapt the objection to informative justice. What reason is there to think memory is necessary for reformation. We all carry widsom which we don't remember learning and we constantly see people learn things in the absence of stewing over memories of times they failed. Psychobybernetics is a power cognitive therapy for psychological transformation which relies on changing the way we see our selves. Forgetting our past is very useful for that.
But why should karma be reformative? Dumb Americans love the idea because there is a sort of justice with no God behind it. Karma is blind. It’s impersonal. Why should it care whether you become a better person or not?
@@TheologyUnleashed Great to see you and Seth in dialogue here in the comments. I enjoyed the previous debate you guys did.
@@TheologyUnleashed if wisdom is not memory how does it get strengthens by reincarnating again and again , also reincarnation is no instance bettering a person because it throws you into a world and if you get killed this was because of your past actions like wtf
If we really think about reincarnation, it sounds like we are our own gods! "WE" get to choose in one parallel universe what I want to finish; how "I" want things to be; which familiy, language etc.
I all comes back to "me"! I do believe it is very dangerous for any acceptance of these believes and not finding out where they are truly coming from. Today there is a greater push on "me, myself, and I." Tread with much caution!
The idea of reincarnation also creates a lust for things of the world and an attachment to this world.
Even says in the bible this world will soon pass on.
Another example of what you said is a new age "spirituality" doctrine they are on that pushes "higher self/lower self".
Yahweh is also attached to his creation, he gets jealous, angry and punishes people in hell.
Mh... very transcendent.
Three to five years before the recording of the event makes it invalid? Then you can say the same thing about the Gospels in the New Testament. They were written 50 to 100 years after Jesus death.
Thanks
I had a vivid imagination aa a child seeing stuff on TV and wanting it to be real even telling my momb I had seen a ghost which i hadn't . Some small children are very observant and notice what us adults don't. I wonder if promptings by parents or after birth memories are a reason for what seems like past life memories. It may even be wishful thinking on behalf of superstitious parents
I had actully seen the Ghostly Monk on a kids drama TV show and wanting it to be me, my mom for years tbought i had really seen a ghost
Promptings about things the parents didn't know then?
Just because some people are reincarnated doesn’t mean everyone that is born has lived a previous life.Cars and appliances and many other things are refurbished but new are made every day.
All personal beliefs aside, the problem that I have with the logic behind the standard view of reincarnation, is that it assumes the soul occupies a linear existence. In the version of reincarnation that assumes you can end up in an afterlife, essentially you are born, you die, you come back at a later time, and only after doing it a bunch of times and getting things right do you get to move on. If the soul exists outside of the physical plane, and we are in fact spiritual entities in a temporary physical embodiment, then time would only be relevant to our time in a physical body. To our soul, it seems unlikely that we would move on from one life to another, if anything you would exist in all of your lives simultaneously, then when you die your soul and consciousness would move on to the afterlife because you wouldn't be able to experience a linear timeline in the way that you would here. Basically, the common understanding of reincarnation is based on our limited 2 dimensional understanding of linear progression, and doesn't take in to account the nature of a spiritual existence outside of time.
Some good food for thought. Thanks, this needs more attention.
Firstly, why can't reincarnation also include the possibility of going back in time instead of forward? I see no reason why it can't. Secondly, what's the problem with "linear time" as you describe it?
@@mugsofmirth8101 I think you missed my point. There isn't anything "wrong" with the concept of linear time, my point is that the commonly held belief about the afterlife is that it exists outside of time. Your soul wouldn't experience the passage of time like you do in a physical body. Based on that concept, your soul could experience multiple lifetimes at once, it doesn't matter if they are lived progressively or some are before others. Your soul wouldn't experience it successively from the perspective of being outside of time. I'm just saying that the typical view of reincarnation as its normally understood only seems to work if the soul experiences their existence on a flowing timeline just like we do here.
When you deny Reincarnation..I believe there are many many questions which emererges and which aren't addressed by Christian Theology in satisfying manner...
one such problem is that the soul is created by God at conception but then goes on for all infinity afterwards... it has a beginning, yet goes on for all infinity afterwards? This is as retarded as the Christian belief in 6 day creation.
On the idea of reincarnation allowing universal salvation eventually... Doesn't that require a certain set of living souls at all times and potentially reducing as time proceeds? Humans have continued to expand, even if you want to account animals to balance out the cycle, we are left with a multiplication of souls not a reduction as a few escape the cycle each time around.
Best question directly above👆
I think the Karmic memory problem could be because of physical limitations of memory capacity in our physical DNA. There would be a certain level of download from the soul when entering a new life, but to hold all information from past lives would limit our current life functioning. That's a lot of terabytes!
Maybe if we have regression therapy we download packets of that memory to be rendered by the brain in order to tackle a psychological problem that has been seeping into our psyche from parallel traumas.
I say parallel because of the school of thought that time as we know it may not exist in the soul realm. Why some commentators say that all our lives happen at the same time from the point of view of the soul realm. Different from the accepted Eastern concept, yet the timeline is concocted when downloaded into the physical.
That is to say, we could incarnate thousands of years in the future and then back to Sumerian times but that would create cognitive dissonance of the oversoul so it organises in a more linear incarnational fashion for cultural and societal coherence
DNA doesn't have a mechanism for storing memories or reading them.
Genetic memory is a farce.
But there might be a kind of spiritual legacy we can't physically detect or perhaps a collective unconsciousness.
@@ravissary79 No it's a farce to think that it's ONLY genetic memory. It's polarised thought to think that it's either one or the other. Anyone who's had an OBE knows that there's no simplistic black or white explanation
Interesting 🙌🫶
1:12:00 everyone choosing God over hell eventually is not more a contradiction to free than fact that tradies all eventually choose higher quality tools over crappy tools. We all know that people who depend on their tools in a daily basis but higher quality tools, but no one thinks they aren't acting freely because they all do this.
Reincarnation answers a lot of questions
1. Why are some people more talented than others? Reincarnation.
2. Why do some people fall in love at first sight? Reincarnation. (my parents did and were married until my father died)
3. Is life fair? Yes, because of reincarnation. Reincarnation is the great equalizer. "the last will be the first and the first will be the last."
4. What is the purpose of physical life? To become more like Jesus but it can take time. Again "jesus learned obedience from his suffering."
5. Why isn't there more information about reincarnation in the Bible? because those in power didn't like the idea so it was taken out. The Monarchy did not like the concept. Reincarnation is the great equalizer. Religious elites didn't like it either. Constantine took it out. But he missed a few places. But remember, Jesus learned obedience from his suffering as stated by Paul. That statement makes no sense without reincarnation.
Also, Jesus said: This generation shall not pass until all is fulfilled. Again that statement is silly without reincarnation.
Show me evidence that reincarnation was taken out of
@@eugene3484 I believe Edgar Cayce talked about it. He also shows where it is in the Bible.
@@pjdelucala only thing in the Bible is Elijah being John the Baptist but Elijah also never died. That’s the difference. I got no problem believing in reincarnation but I want solid evidence for it. Undeniable stuff I’m looking for
@@eugene3484 Reincarnation in the Bible:
Revelation 3:12
He that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out (reincarnate)
“Go no more out” means leaving heaven and going back into physical reality. Heaven is the real home.
John 9
As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”
The question isn’t about reincarnation. That was assumed to be true otherwise Jesus would have corrected the disciple. The question was about karma.
Mathew: 24
Jesus said, “Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.”
Without reincarnation, this statement makes no sense.
Hebrews:
Paul said: Jesus learned obedience through his suffering."
When was he disobedient? Past lives. Paul’s statement would not make sense without reincarnation.
This is something we all go through. Hell is a state of being of suffering. The fire in hell is the purging of the negativity.
Mathew 20
The first will be last and the last will be first
It is about karma and possibly reincarnation.
Revelation: Chapter 20
The first resurrection is reincarnation of evolved souls.
The second resurrection is reincarnation of unevolved souls.
Reincarnation answers many questions that traditional Christianity cannot answer.
1. What is love at first sight? Reincarnation. We were together in another life. My mother and father met and got married 3 months later. Married for 50 years. Best friends.
2. Why do some people have many talents and some people have very few talents? Reincarnation. You take your talents with you and they expand through each life as you perfect them. Practice makes perfect!
3. What is the purpose of having a life on earth? To grow through experience. Trial and error. To become more like Jesus. Paul said: "He learned obedience through his suffering." When was he disobedient? Past lives. Paul’s statement would not make sense without reincarnation.
4. Is life fair? Yes because of reincarnation. Reincarnation allows karma. The first will be last and the last will be first. It is the great equalizer. MONARCHS DID NOT LIKE THIS IDEA so the Bible was changed. Neither did religious leaders in power like reincarnation. Origen a Christian writer and advocate of reincarnation was labeled as a heretic by the powers that be. There is no absolute power in the idea of reincarnation; only sovereign power.
5. Reincarnation explains homosexuality and transgenders. A human can reincarnate as a male or female. Someone who has had many lives as a female and then enters a male life may demonstrate a feminine energy and may be attracted to men or may want still identify as a man.
6. Reincarnation makes God universal. Man has been on earth for thousands and thousands of years. Jesus living two thousand years ago is not important. His message which is universal is important.
If you accept the law of cause and effect and the law of conservation of energy, you have to also accept reincarnatinon.
How does it work?
I don´t know, but its obvious.
I think in theosophical books, it has been described so well that anyone can understand it.
Reincarnation by Annie Besant
A Textbook of theosophy by C.W. Leadbeater
Wait... So Sujith knew how Sammy died before Sammy died? Great video, BTW!
1:15:13 Did he just argued for Calvinism while trying to do the opposite?
There could be a very good reason why there are more stories of reincarnation by children in societies where reincarnation is believed. A child in that environment may feel comfortable in expressing himself about his experience. His parents will not shut him down. In a family setting where reincarnation is not believed or where it is discouraged, the parents may stifle and ridicule the child's expression of his experience and not report it causing the child in order to please his parents to block it out or stop talking about it. Children want to please their parents.
30:50 As a Hindu from India, what the Hindu person that you quoted here said is *one of the most unrelatable thing I heard* about being brought up in a Hindu family. My parents never did that, no parents in my acquaintance did that, and never did I ever hear this in any public conversation or anywhere else, or watch it in movies or shows. He is making things up.
30:55 If it was common, I would have been definitely aware of that. I challenge you to verify it by actual Hindus living in India.
I'm a Hindu, as well... in agreement with you, my friend. This seems untrue from personal experience.
On a purely mathematical level would reincarnation make the earth’s population remain static over time?🤔
This has been one argument. Stevenson even considers it in the book I hold up. I don’t think it’s much of a problem for reincarnation, though.
Given the size of the universe, you could always say there are spirits incarnating on earth from other planets. No need to think there’s any practical difficulties with increasing population.
@@sethhart998 I guess so. That would bring in a bunch more questions and details to work out if we’re talking intergalactic reincarnation! Thank you for your presentations and analyses. This has been so interesting and thought provoking
reincarnation also includes animals, fishes,birds etc so no population wouldnt be same, also western reincarnation believers also believe other planets so you could be totally from different planet in past, anyway i see reincarnation most evil belief just imagine hitler next life would have been some kid killed in Rwandan genocide,or karma delusions why it only works for poor and not elites like Bill Gates and his eugenics beliefs, then you get westerners who believe into soul growth nonsense , would be your titles taken away when you fail next life , most people who are into spritiuality have easy life who first time get to feel hardships when they got dumped by their bf, or drug addicts justifying their drug usage as spiritualism
Reincarnation at least on it's face appears to be consistent with the scientific law of the conservation of energy.
Please I so don't want to come back here😢
27:48 Really? We don't here about near death experiences here in India. We also don't hear about seeing Jesus in person or in dreams. How do you explain that if Jesus is supposed to be a universal god? Why has nobody researched on Christian claims like near death experience or seeing Jesus Christ like Stevenson and Tucker have?
Bruce Greyson. Check out his book After.
NDEs occur in India just like anywhere else. And NDEs are not "Christian". In fact, people often are shown they've had multiple lives in NDEs.
@@AlexADalton I agree. I was just pointing out someone who has done research on them.
thats false theres 26,000,000+ Christians in india who do
The most common evidenced dreams of Jesus are from Muslim countries, not Christian ones. So your opening claim assumes too much and doesn't have all the data.
Please read Lobsang Rampa books
Did they address Jewish "reincarnation" ? it makes somewhat sense
Could these be 'walkins' not past lives?..... the memories tend to fade the older the child gets... maybe the walkin spirit moves on after a while... gets pushed out by the child's true spirit/soul???
I'm an Advaita Vedantin (nondual Hindu), based upon the Upanishads... and, I believe reality itself is only ONE... ONE Consciousness/Mind to be more specific. Everything in the seemingly material universe merely appears to/in Consciousness. There are no individual selves, but simply dissociated perspectives of the One Mind of God. There is no soul to reincarnate. But, there could be veins/streams of tendencies that flow from one apparent life to another, including residual memories, etc., that appear to awareness.
Advaita Vedantin Hindu here as well mate!
I left a similar reply about subtle bodies which covers residual memory imprints and instincts
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If there is inherently one why does the one become deluded into thinking of parts of itself as distinct? Why the periodic and pronounced delusion?
@@nathanfosdahl4074Maya, the illusory force or extension of the One.
Maya is that which doesn't exist, but we impose upon the One, the more and more our delusions are cleared, the less it appears as a veil deluding us.
For example a Rope, in the darkness or dim light can delude you into fear that it's a Snake but as you shine light upon it, it's reality appears only to be a rope.
So was there ever a snake? No snake's existence was but a projection, an illusion. Maya is the same.
That which isn't but only seems, is Maya.
@nathanfosdahl4074 not a delusional state, just the nature of consciousness is to appear as happenings to Itself.
1:08:08 the journey is necessary for soul building. When we make bad choices then the suffering is what it takes for us to learn and transform.
I haven’t finished yet. I will keep watching, but may forget to comment later. Just wanted to say:
Knowledge of foreign languages
Knowledge of things impossible to know
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Evidence of demonic influence.
This is too tough to accept knowing the Catholic Church doesn’t support reincarnation and that the “evidence” sounds like what an exorcist could classify as demonic.
My only other consideration right now is purgatory, but I’d have to hear from experienced theologians and still doesn’t move past the demonic signs. Curious what Jimmy Akin would have to say.
1:10:54 if children are saved automatically then wouldn't that mean killing kids young is good for them?
Spirits travel in what's called soul groups, that's why there reborn into the same community's and family's.
Secondly it's does happen everywhere, but if your from a upbringing that has no idea of reincarnation, well why would u question it , when it's in your religion and culture, its recognized more commonly of course.
1:05:48 Calvinism with libertarian free will. I don't understand. I thought Calvinism was the absence of free will.
The doctrine of karma leaves no place for understanding the victimization of innocence, nor by extension, the Cross of Christ. The adherent of a karmic belief system can only conclude the everyone gets what's coming to them: from the infant suffering leukemia to the sinless Son Of God. Karma takes a simple truth of action and consequence and mutilates it into a cruel absurdity devoid of compassion or the Love of God.
1:05:22 this ideas make problematic assumptions about the nature of souls. In many theologies souls are tiny sparks of the divine and are simply covered by material energy. The idea that a souls could be bad to the bone contradicts this and raises questions, such as why would God create a bad soul? If it's the nature of the soul to be bad then that would be a word state of affairs for God to create.
Yes I do believe in reincarnation, but it's not for everyone, and that's the way God had planned it. In 2018 Dec 18th an angel visited me in a vision, he said, "YOU ARE TO SAY. A few days later he came back with another message, "YOU ARE DESCEND." So what I believe is when we die we are lifted up to God, somehow HE clears our sins and some are sent down, but everyone. There are a few cycles of life on earth after that then we're set aside for judgement. I also believe God sends His holy to help mankind so they are able to receive mercy on that great and dreadful day.
A soul is a human particular's formal cause.
Reincarnation, to me, would presuppose:
A) two humans have the same exact formal cause
2) animals, plants and humans have the same formal cause
3) only the formal cause can be "re-used", and not material cause, efficient cause or final cause
Bare bones of why I'm not a reincarnationalist.
The 2nd coming of Christ is an example of reincarnation in the Bible. It is prophesized therein.
@mugsofmirth8101 that's not reincarnation.
The correct answer. No one knows. But I'm so sure that I can't be saved, except perhaps from my own Intelligence.
The enemy has done a grand job in deceiving us of the truth. the exact Greek noun "rebirth" or "regeneration" (Ancient Greek: παλιγγενεσία, romanized: palingenesia) appears the New Testament (Matthew 19:28 and Titus 3:5), regeneration represents a wider theme of re-creation and spiritual rebirth. Heb 9:27 is misquoted and taken out of context. The gospels support rebirth. Christ stated that John the Baptist was Elijah. The truth is there.
@@can_do_nz2272 , somewhere one of you has a reason for believing that Peter actually died. That person really thinks he knows the answer for reasons that make a difference to you.
I’m going with us being in a computer simulation.
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Yes i believe in reincarnation, reincarnation gives u hope, more so than eternal damnation or everlasting fire.
Why do you believe it
Biblical rebuttal to reincarnation:
“It is appointed unto men to die _once,_ and after that the judgment.” (Heb. 9:27, emphasis added)
Precise !
@@mkl2237 I think this is a good rebuttal to the objection, “What about miracles in other religions?”
Don’t pay any attention to the bells and whistles.
Pay attention to the _message._
If the supposed miracle promotes/reinforces an unbiblical teaching (reincarnation, New Age, occultism, etc.), it is to be rejected as false or deceptive.
Funny how skeptics will accept UFOs, reincarnation, tarot cards, etc. , but if you tell them it’s demonic deception they reject it.
That’s not a good rebuttal. I can do the same thing for reincarnation.
“When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do people say that the Son of Man is?" "Well," they replied, "some say John the Baptist, some say Elijah, and others say Jeremiah or one of the other prophets." -Matthew 16:13-14
@@jedphillips9362 interesting rebuttal. Appreciate that. Nevertheless, that’s just recording people processing what they were seeing in light of their background… but They weren’t advocating reincarnation, certainly not in the Hindu sense… not at all. But appreciate your mentioning that verse.
@@mkl2237 sure, not in the Hindu sense. There is reincarnation thought that isn’t Hindu. There was a lot of ideas and subsets of afterlife and eschatology in 2nd Temple Judaism. Also, it really wasn’t an argument for reincarnation, I was pointing out that we need more than a proof text to prove a point. We need to expound on the idea entirely. God bless.
Pretty funny how you're basically attacking a worldview based on a lack of evidence, from another worldview that is not supported by any actual evidence.
Well said. Never understood why people, whatever their belief, have no introspective or critical capacity to actually understand. Cognitive dissonance, so to speak, writ large.
Some of the strongest evidence ever brought forth on the reality of reincarnation (not involving hypnosis). Birthmarks, scars, and photographic evidence. A Civil War general’s reincarnation, plus a great story of a young boy, 9/11 and the reincarnation of a New York City firefighter who perished in one of the Twin Towers. The full story as told by the boy's mother on (and off) a popular Reincarnation Forum starting in 2007 up to the present day. The books full title, Fire in the Soul: Reincarnation from Antietam to Ground Zero. The author is Jeffrey Keene a retired Asst. Fire Chief.
@tafazzi-on-discord And there are Reincarnation cases reported even in Mainland China which are not part of these studies..
Okay, I watched it to the end. Here is a new perspective.
Let us posit that God, in the beginning, was pure being, pure potential. Creation was not yet. In order to move from being to doing and having, God created heaven and earth with a male and female after his own image.
This was the doing - but why? It was in order to have an infinite variety of experiences through the lens of his creation.
The having - now, imagine he watched this video. Would he have a belly laugh at the antics of his creations trying to figure it all out? This is God having experiences; some are funny. some not.
I once read "Letters from Earth" by Mark Twain. I laughed so hard it was painful. May God have many laughs at what we do and say. Oh, yes, he loves us; we love our creations, so how could he not.
I dont understand why u dont remember your last life if u r supposed to better your sélf
reincarnation doesn't solve the problem of time, the problem with our lives is not that it is short but that we are in time, this very mode of existence is deficient
Let Seth talk bro.
Bro, what are you doing? Trying to convert me to reincarnationism? 😁
Edit: Oowkay, so now we are going to refute the arguments, okay 💪
If our memories are stored in the soul then why did God design us with a whole section of the brain that's responsible for storing memories?
Do you believe the proposition “slavery is wrong”?
A) where is that stored, specifically?
B) can you account for how someone can have major brain resections or hydrocephalus with (in some instances) only a small rom if so-called normal neural tissue remaining … still believe the same
C) what is the exact chemical composition of that proposition… and how does that vary from other beliefs and thoughts? Please describe fully in terms of actual brain transmitters and molecules.
The fact is… you don’t really know, nor can you show….
Correlation is not causation.
@@mkl2237 "A) where is that stored, specifically?"
Well part of the belief involves memory of what slavery is and what wrongness is, and that's stored in the brain. Now a belief is an attitude towards a proposition, so you could ask where the attitude towards the proposition is stored. I could answer that the attitude is a disposition of the soul that's not "stored" anywhere, since souls don't have spacial location. Or I could say that the attitude is reducible to neurological activity in the brain. Let's say the first option is true; the belief is not stored anywhere. Now what? Does my answer to your question now get us any closer to answering my question?
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"B) can you account for how someone can have major brain resections or hydrocephalus with (in some instances) only a small rom if so-called normal neural tissue remaining … still believe the same"
That sentence seems fragmented and hard to follow, like it's missing words. I'm not entirely sure what you're asking but I'm guessing it's something like this: can I account for instances in which people continue to hold the same beliefs even after having parts of their brains damaged or removed. Rather than argue about whether there can be a neurological explanation for that phenomenon, let's just say the answer is that beliefs are faculties of the soul, not the brain. Now what? How does that get us any closer to answering the question I asked?
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"what is the exact chemical composition of that proposition… and how does that vary from other beliefs and thoughts?"
Why are you assuming that I believe propositions have a chemical composition? I don't believe that.
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"The fact is… you don’t really know, nor can you show…."
I don't know whether the number of stars in the universe is even or odd either. What does any of this have to do with my question?
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"Correlation is not causation."
That comment seems entirely disconnected from everything you said prior. Who said that correlation is causation? And correlation between what? Causation between what? Neither of us have said anything that would make the statement "Correlation is not causation" remotely relevant here.
@@mkl2237 You understand that I'm not arguing against the soul, right? The point behind my question is one that could be affirmed by any believer in the soul. The fact is that even if souls exist, we have prima facie reason to think that it doesn't store memories, since that would make our brain's ability to store memories entirely superfluous.
Excellent question ⁉️
because He wanted us to have a physical biological body because a physical realm is the most feasible way for us to come to Him freely
If there is any kind of "spiritual" reality, one that involves reincarnation (continuation of personal consciousness) makes more sense than any "one life, one chance" construct.
Hebrews says all 'men'?
Most of the initial interview work was done in countries that believe in reincarnation because parents were open to talking about it in those places. In the United States most parents think their kids are just being kids or that they learned facts about a previous life from some other kids. Thanks to internet access more American parents are investigating their kids claims and realizing that a past life is the best explanation for their memories. A boy in Oklahoma with Baptists parents claimed to be Marty Martin. One of the best documented cases is of James Leininger who claims to have been a navy fighter pilot named James M Huston Jr. The boys Dad is a Christian and made it a mission to prove that reincarnation isn’t real. After he completed all of his research he believed his son really was James Huston in a past life.
Some people say its the Devil giving false memories... No one really knows 😮
That’s ad hoc. I’m surprised he hasn’t linked NDE’s with reincarnation to help steel-man.
@@jedphillips9362 it doesnt have to be ad hoc if it's just a moorean shift if you have a strong enough case for christianity
🐟 09. REINCARNATION (OR NOT):
Just as there is NOTHING about an individual person (neither any particle of matter, nor any mental object whatsoever) which remains intact from conception till death, there is NOTHING about the individual person (that is, the “ego”, as defined in the following chapter) which transfers to another body after death, except, perhaps, habitual tendencies in the form of indelible mental impressions (“vāsanā”, in Sanskrit).
For example, in my present incarnation, I have a strong affinity for the culture of Bhārata (India), a highly-advanced intellectual capacity, a very slim body, and an attraction to a frugivorous diet. That suggests there was an Indian spiritual master in the previous century which had some (or perhaps, even all) of these characteristics, but it was not “ME”, since what I am now is this ever-mutable Australian-born Aryan gentleman.
These “subtle mind impressions” are known in psychology as the “collective unconscious”, in new-age spirituality as the “akashic records”, and in Islam as the “Preserved Tablet”. There is an abundance of evidence that humans are born with certain psycho-emotive links to previous persons, times and places. It is far beyond the purview of this document to list such evidences. As mentioned, in my case, I have an EXTREMELY strong association with all things Indian, despite not being of Indian origin, and the “collective unconscious” hypothesis seems to be the best explanation for this bond currently available, in my opinion (although the term “collective conscious” would, perhaps, be more accurate).
For the popular view of reincarnation to be plausible, there would need to be an entity or an OBJECT called a “soul” (“jīva” or “ātman”, in Sanskrit), which somehow finds a copulating couple, then enters the woman’s uterus, to inhabit a zygote.
Assuming the existence of an individual spiritual soul is profoundly illogical, because spirit is (by most definitions) the antithesis of finite matter. Therefore, how can an immaterial “soul” be confined to a single person’s body?
It seems rather strange to believe that the universe was organized naturalistically in such a manner as to recycle an object called a “soul”, or even to recycle minds, particularly when one understands that a mind is naught but a series of flickering thoughts, feelings, images, and memories. Some believe that the “thing” which transfers to the next incarnation are the remnants of one's actions (“vāsanā” or “saṃskāra”, in Sanskrit) or at least one's psychological disposition (likes, dislikes, phobias, etcetera). This is far closer to the idea of the collective unconscious, and even if it is a perfectly accurate account of what occurs after death, it still cannot give substance to the notion of a SEPARATE individual which is travelling from one body to another and again to another (“saṃsāra”, in Sanskrit).
According to the law of conservation of energy, first proposed and tested by Émilie du Châtelet, energy can neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it can only be transformed or transferred from one form to another. Both this law, and Dr. Leonard Susskind's minus-first law of physics, states that energy/information is indestructible.
The analogy of one candle being lit by another candle is apt. Are the two flames the same flame or completely different flames? According to those laws, PART of the energy is transferred from one wick to the other wick, a portion of the energy is released by the flame, and part of the energy remains with the original candle.
Regarding reincarnation, a rather appropriate analogy could be that of a whirlpool in a stream of liquid. A whirlpool is a definite form within a river but, just like the human form itself, it is never static. Some water molecules which were once swirling within one whirlpool may move farther downstream, mix with other water particles, and form a new, distinct whirlpool.
So, in my particular case, it is eminently possible that a vast amount of “Indian energy” was transferred to my psyche from one or more persons from Bhārata (the proper name of the country), plus the addition of genetic matter from my Persian parents and their Aryan heritage. The fact that BOTH Iranians and North Indians are Aryan seems to add further credence to my hypothesis, even if to a small degree.
Of course, there is no conclusive proof for such types of claims at this stage in human history, but the evidence is certainly extant, and as mentioned, the profusion of evidence available goes far beyond the purview of this document. One ought to do one's own thorough research into the matter, rather than relying on anecdotal testimonies. There are several well-documented books and videos published on the subject.
There is not the slightest doubt in my mind that my essential nature has NOT transferred from one body to another body, because I have fully understood and realized, by practicing the four systems of yoga/religion described in Chapter 16, that my true nature is Brahman (see Chapters 06 & 10 to learn of the Real Self). There is no such thing as a “soul” or “spirit”, unless, of course, one defines those words to mean the subject (that is, the observer of all temporal phenomena), and logically, the subject cannot be an object, at least in the transactional sphere.
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the James Leininger case is even worse.
his parents brought him to an airplane museum and then has nightmares about airplanes and remembers a few facts about airplanes, the kid said he died in a corsair from uss natoma bay even though the natoma bay didn't have corsairs. the testimony also relied on suppressing facts that disconfirm their story, there's so much wrong with this case i could write all day about it.
Reincarnation teachings kill human compassion, by assuming that children born starving in Africa MIGHT HAVE DESERVED such fate in order to pay for past lives sins or karma
So anyone who believes it wont feel compassion for those children, they may just help for "charity", but they wont feel compassion, because anyone who believes children MAY HAVE DESERVED TO SUFFER will never be a compassionate person
That´s why reincarnation should not be taught, it doesnt matter if it´s true or not, it´s a "moral" duty for people to deem reincarnation as something that should not be taught
No.
I agree 100%. This is why ,as compared to the rest of the world, in India you get the CASTE system, and why they can easily walk past a person gasping for his last breaths of air and completely ignore that suffering human being. It is absolutely tragic and barbaric.
That's ridiculous. Really it's no different from saying that Christians can't possibly feel compassion for anybody that has suffered for their sins.
Karma is really not much of a different concept than justice and punishment for sin.
Let's also remember that the Bible says that Christ himself will be reincarnated (the 2nd coming)
If God is unarguably the most important issue in all our lives and you don't know God is the creator of the creation is because the cult wants you ignorant believing in the impossible to hurt you. What other explanation could there be?Humanity have been deceived and made believed that God is the religious idea of a personal being that demands obedience, submission, sacrifice under threat for the promise of happiness, with made up attributes that contradict reality. To know if something exists or not first we must know what is that something. "Does God exist?" means "did an intelligence created the universe?", and the right answer always is God is eternal or uncreated of an infinite nature. I know something of an infinite nature or eternal created the universe or reality of a finite nature, beginning and end, birth and death, causes and effects, transforming. It can not be any other way. Atheism is blind faith in the impossible, the belief inmune to arguments that all reality is the universe. Atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is the religious idea of the creator of the creation to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. Innocent and vulnerable children would be good judges and would understand who wants to hurt them, God or humanity. To end the war in Ukraine the discovery that atheism is a logical fallacy has to be news. The idea of absolute perfection of the religious god is meaningless because reality without failure is like playing a role game with a perfect character inmortal, omniscient. The information is manipulated to deceive you. The evolution of the species is a sequence, son, parents, grandparents, and so on so forth. Does the sequence have a beginning or is eternal? The moment of the creation of God's Life and Death from self from eternal existence to Live.
Don't believe everything you THINK. 🧠
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
Ay wait WHAT?????
To do research properly, one must stay neutral and objective. So, a fundamentalist Christian doing research on a topic he doesn't believe in and does not want to believe in would not make a good researcher.
superb! thanks a lot both of you gentlemen! personally i have a huge problem with the animal morality thing, they are made for God , and for us as food and tools, the garden of eden was a habitat for man not vice versa, we eat vege and meat for survival and enjoyment, it is part of God's design, and we don't get to abuse them for fun either.
but , if one assume morality for them, take a dog for example: your dog is as "good" as your training, a wild wolf is as "good" as ,well, a wolf, either they eat or die, and a plant is as good as a plant, either it photosynthesise or die. to extend this logic further: why only animal "killing" is bad in hindu system ? why not plant as well, why not oxygen molecule as well? who exactly decide which life form or even elemental form from the periodic table is more life like than others? if one assumes morality in other realms they must first defend their world view against the biblical one. i have a relative who both fancy the idea of non-killing for animal according to the buddist tradition and have no prob eat sashimi when he is hungry.
You do not need to believe in reincarnation! It is the TRUTH!!!
It was taught in the Cristian teachings until the Council of Nacea in 325ac. anathematized it. It’d be a long topic to discuss….
What is source of your information 😊
You should have debate with an actual well knowledged hindu people. One such example is Pandit Rami Sivan, let's see if your strawmanning can work in his case
Reincarnation is definitely not ethical, although it depends upon what you mean by "reincarnation."
Reincarnation teachers that people are responsible for the life they're born in.
If they're born as a starving child in Africa, then it's because of their past life Karma. If there are born into a rich family, with a silver spoon, then Good Karma.
Let’s pretend that we were born into this world without a choice, one day we weren’t and the next we were, didn’t get to chose our parents, mom is a crackhead and dad is a raging alcoholic, as a child you did not feel love or human touch, your dad beats you when you cry and keeps you in a cage most of the time to keep you out of the way, you are feed once every few days, now let’s pretend you grow up and become a serial killer or at very least an angry person who doesn’t believe in god because why would you?where was god when you were being beat and burned with cigarettes? So one day you die.. you stand before this all knowing, unconditionally loving being and because you didn’t believe he said depart from me for I never knew you, you worker of iniquity and sends you to hell for all of eternity to burn and be tortured because of your sin and disbelief. Childhood trauma is real and the consequences of the actions of the parent to the child is real, everyone has a story good or bad many times we are not in control of the outcome, why if for some reason this god who sat and watched your horrible life with no intervention during your earthly life were to open his arms and say I’m so sorry that you had to endure that life and now you are safe and I will take care of you for all of eternity and give you the love your parents couldn’t give you, likely because they to were abused. Wouldn’t this seem closer to reality for an unconditionally loving god ? Or does it seem right that god is angry, jealous, wrathful, vengeful and punitive? Sound more like a devil that a loving god, or even an immature parent that needs to learn compassion.
1:24:20 the workers on the field all got the same reward; the ones who were called to work early in the morning got no more than the ones who joined in the after noon. Also, please be careful not to boast that you would have done a better job than the Lord God, you come pretty close to criticizing God's work here.
Hmmmmmmm⁉️
Good Girl! 👌
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
Reincarnation is nonsense I think.
Reincarnation works with all the religions, after judgement you are reborn in Heaven or Hell. Bhuddism doesn't have the concept of Eternal life, just very,very long life. Death is the great Inescapable.
A very convulent push back on reincarnation.
Reincoranation iteslf is convoluted. If I have the knowlegde of why I am getting punished, that makes sense. But if I am getting punished for the deeds that I have done in my past life, that I have no idea what it was, that is absurd. In short, reincoranation is a messy belief system.
@@greenbird679
1. Reincarnation is not explicitly or implicitly rejected in the Bible. There is an emphasis on going back to god head in this life time and having a pious life to avoid hellish suffering. Hence you could accept reincarnation and still be theologically correct within the Cristian faith.
2. When you reject reincarnation your metaphysical and theological explanatory power diminishes greatly.
It is for example, difficult for Cristians who denied reincarnation to explain why some one is born to be silver spoon fed
And some one else to be thrown into a garbage pile at birth.
3. Forgetting is something that happen even in this life. Remembering is not a prerequisite to education, ultimately is when you get a chance for higher engagement that heart changes, not the fact that you remember all your mistakes and sufferings, most times is better to forget in order to build a new better identity.
In short, since reincarnation has powerful explanatory power, it’s metaphysically coherent and has powerful empirical evidence. It’s a better world view.
@@yadurajdas532wrong, "And it is appointed unto men once to die, but after comes the judgment". (HEBREWS 9:27)
The biblical hope contradicts reincarnation entirely.
@@ravissary79 Sir, I will have to respectfully disagree with you.
I will invite you to see, that in this verse the eternity of the soul is not rule out. It could be perfectly understood that the human form of life should be use to go back to Godhead to never experience death again and not that one is created once to die once and for all.
I know all your scholars would disagree with this, but they could not on theological grounds, rather because of strong indoctrination to this view over the centuries, since the Roman Empire.
Accepting reincarnation would not do any harm to the central message of Lord Jesus Christ which was “to love god thy lord over all other things”
@@yadurajdas532 I agree that the eternality of the soul is not ruled out by that verse, bur reincarnation is, because that would entail living and dying over and over.