There's a lot of cool features that I would be interested in trying out if I were in the market for a single new gravel bike, BUT I have a stable of SRAM 12spd bikes including Eagle Transmission mullet gravel bikes that already give me most of these features and I prefer the 10-52 range over the 10-46 and honestly I'd prioritize shifting under power over shifting quicker. Even today, I'd still choose a Mullet gravel setup over this new XPLR, but I certainly would love to try the new Red Levers. I can see serious gravel racers wanting this group. The wheels are pretty cool and it's good to see ZIPP leaping ahead of competitors again relative to wide ride offerings.
I'm currently running a SRAM Eagle AXS X01 RD with 1x on a 2024 Look Blade 795 RS. 50t chainring paired with a 11-52 cassette. I've got to say, its a tremendous amount of fun and makes climbing the mountains around here quite easy. I'd LOVE to run the closer higher gear ratio's of this 13 speed cassette on a road frame and I think for most people - that 1x setup makes a lot more sense then a 2x paired with a compact cassette. Here's hoping more road frames adopt UDH.
Ari (formerly Fezzari) in the US has two UDH compatible road bikes - the Veyo (which I have) and the new Suncrest. They say a SRAM UDH can be used with cassettes that have a largest cog of 28t or greater - so basically any modern groupset. Both have a 410mm chainstay... And they had their gravel bike with new Red 1X13 available as of yesterday. I have a bad feeling that I'm going to end up spending money sometime this year.
Great review as always! BTW - SRAM’s German language website states that the new cassette weighs 275g which seems wrong based on what you quoted from their documentation (288g) and what you got weighing it yourself (289g). For that price, they better be precise 😊
I have the new SRAM RED XPLR AXS group set with the Power Meter on my Trek Checkmate SLR 9. I notice in the Garmin Connect website and app that for any given activity the Left/Right balance is always 56%/44%. With my dual sided Garmin Rally pedals the Left/Right balance is always with in 1-2%. Did you happen to look at L/R balance?
After some more research into the SRAM Quarq Power Meter I found this from a Quarq representative.. "The strain gauges are in the crankset spider. The spider, chainrings and chain are what drives the bike forward, so we are measuring total power output - the combined output of both legs. To create left/right balance we split the pedal stroke into two halves. From 12 o’clock to 6 o’clock on the drive side is counted as right and 12 o’clock to 6 o’clock on the non-drive side is counted as left. I have heard this called downstream power balance, which is a decent term for it. Although it can prove useful for injury recovery, it is not a true left/right measurement."
@@mister_ray thanks for sharing this, exactly what I was looking for. Seems a bit misleading that they sell this as a left/right power meter. Would love to see someone actually compare it to left/right power meter pedals.
Can you buy just the new xplr power meter spindle and install it on road sram red axs crank ? And of course buy the desired ring size ? Is it compatible ?
3:38 The direction of the metal wouldn't allow it to bend from that side but sideways, the way every derailleur hanger bends when a bike falls over, it will definitely bend and they are banking on it - your bike slid and fell over, get the wallet out. It's not like they couldn't make those attachments replaceable but they didn't, they want you to buy a completely new one(it's "Planned obsolescence" which lots of US companies love lately).
There were a few attempts at criticising this new derailleur configuration when the first UDH / T-Type rear derailleur was released... but they tech is holding up well. The same media sources haven't attempted to float the same criticisms with this new XPLR. As for the attachments/etc, I've uploaded a breakout image of the rear derailleur here: imgur.com/a/qRshrW0 Lots of replaceable parts. If you want a good line of attack - The cost of the XPLR cassette being almost the same as the rear derailleur itself is a topic that'll raise a few eyebrows. Groupsets don't have a 'subscription model' as such but charging what they do for the cassette (a consumable component) is effectively the same thing.
The Fairlight Strael 3.0 does have the option to exchange the standard dropout with a UDH dropout, however the chainstay length is 418mm, so not sure if it's compatible.
if i need the change tyre or fix tyre should i just mark the place of the UHD and derailleur first then remove the rear wheel? otherwise i need to re-find the proper place of the rear setup? thank you
I've suddenly got 7 of my subbed channels popping out a review video. Of course the only one worth my time is GPLama! Those Zipp wheels look brilliant!
Shane: Off topic, with Stages Power meter closing the doors this spring. Have you head if their will be any support for Stages power meter owners in the future. I head several people moved to Giant in some news articles. My Stages power meter is working well, but I am little worried in the future it will continue working well without an updates. This was my first dive into purchasing and training with a power meter two years ago. It was the most affordable power meter at the time for me to purchase. Any insight would be greatly appreciated!!
It has its own bolt/clamp. It’s not going anywhere. The SRAM TH-cam channels should have a few videos up on how to change a wheel (and even install the RD) if you’re keen to dig into it.
SRAM is really making a mess. We have the more or less "standard" chains which only vary in width for anything up to 11 speed. Then there is flattop and t-type for 12 speed. Now, there is 13 speed with a cassette looking iike the mtb t-type ones while requiring the flattop chain...
This style mount has held up extremely well for their MTB groups for over a year. When Full Mount derailleurs were first released there was a massive (attempted) uproar on how this would be breaking frames. It hasn't happened. Which is good. It's proven tech.
@@ignaciosevil2157 absolutely not. 48cm is clownish even for gravel, nobody needs them so wide lol. there's a growing demand for 38s and 36s and virtually zero demand for 48s
@@Carftymk I see, I ride a flatbar with attachments and it sucks… I’m considering road handlebar… canyon news bar that can adjust width seem next level. What brand would you recommend for comfort?
@@ignaciosevil2157 as far as i know the canyon adjustable handlebars: 1. are not for sale individually 2. are kinda shit 3. have a proprietary steerer width so you need a canyon or giant fork to run them there is no one brand for comfort, but conventionally expert bike fitters recommend modern bars with 70mm reach, shallow drops, i think 90mm. width depending on your shoulder width. if you want to nail it book a bike fitting session, otherwise bike fitters probably recommend a classic like the deda rhm. if this is your first dropbar you can get a 40cm for cheap and see how you like it. also for carbon bars some are made to be stiffer for sprinters and some are made to be more comfortable for vibrations
if you can afford the groupset, you can afford a new frame probably :) I don't think an adapter is possible unless your bike has exchangeable dropouts like some steel or titanium bikes have.
Might be a good fit on the ENVE Fray. THis reviewer tried it, but the Cervelo Aspero should be a good bike to test fit too. (th-cam.com/video/QuW3z7OIIto/w-d-xo.html) I have a Fray myself, but with only a few rides on my new Red setup, there's nothing in the new set to warrant an upgrade and I think I still prefer a 2X setup for Road & All-road bikes.
Very nice video. I guess you want to speed things up since you go through a lot of details, but when you cut away all your small natural pauses in speech it becomes very rapid and hard to follow, I had to replay some of it in 0.75x.
I don’t like the way zipp pushes their proprietary stuff everywhere… And then is the hookless stuff wich is not safe or give any plus on the consumer side of things
Your car tires are hookless. The problem is non-MTB hookless was unfortunately pushed at road first and not gravel. Roadies were still extensively on 25/28 which is sorta the "no no space" for hookless. If they could have held off a bit longer where gravel was fully mainstream, they may have been able to target it better...but they didn't. With that much internal with, hookless are good/great.
Racers push their bikes and components to their limits, race in all sorts of weather, are out there for days and weeks back to back riding, anything can go wrong. They take hooked and aluminium rims' limits for granted and assume hookless can be pushed as much. I am 100% sure my 303 FC were made for 28mm tires and today I checked Zipp's website and they have nudged the minimum tire size up by 2mm. Default minimum is now 29mm tires, all tires mentioned in their chart are at least 30mm, except few tires that are specifically tested in collaboration with some tire brands. I have ridden with this set for 1.5 years and thousands of kilometers. I had zero punctures, no burps or any specific issue that didn't already happen on other 4 wheelsets of different variations. And I have always ran 28mm tires, which now have to change to 30.
There's a lot of cool features that I would be interested in trying out if I were in the market for a single new gravel bike, BUT I have a stable of SRAM 12spd bikes including Eagle Transmission mullet gravel bikes that already give me most of these features and I prefer the 10-52 range over the 10-46 and honestly I'd prioritize shifting under power over shifting quicker. Even today, I'd still choose a Mullet gravel setup over this new XPLR, but I certainly would love to try the new Red Levers. I can see serious gravel racers wanting this group. The wheels are pretty cool and it's good to see ZIPP leaping ahead of competitors again relative to wide ride offerings.
thanks shane, looking forward to the video on the "threaded chainring removal tool"!
Looks like the Embargo has been lifted!
I'm old enough to remember when things went to eleven and that was enough to push it over the cliff.
I wish I was in the market for a new gravel bike. SRAM offers the perfect gravel bike setup..if you have the money.
I'm currently running a SRAM Eagle AXS X01 RD with 1x on a 2024 Look Blade 795 RS. 50t chainring paired with a 11-52 cassette. I've got to say, its a tremendous amount of fun and makes climbing the mountains around here quite easy. I'd LOVE to run the closer higher gear ratio's of this 13 speed cassette on a road frame and I think for most people - that 1x setup makes a lot more sense then a 2x paired with a compact cassette. Here's hoping more road frames adopt UDH.
I can’t help but thinking my 1988 Raleigh banana 14sp is due an upgrade?
Ari (formerly Fezzari) in the US has two UDH compatible road bikes - the Veyo (which I have) and the new Suncrest. They say a SRAM UDH can be used with cassettes that have a largest cog of 28t or greater - so basically any modern groupset. Both have a 410mm chainstay...
And they had their gravel bike with new Red 1X13 available as of yesterday. I have a bad feeling that I'm going to end up spending money sometime this year.
That’s a 1x cassette cog set I can get behind. Up to now I’d only say that about ekar.
There are people with this groupset in the enve fray which is a all road frameset (415mm chainstays).
I'll be curious to see how you compare those levers with the new GRX ST-RX825 12-speed Di2 levers... which are the finest I've ever put my hands on.
I'd love to do more Shimano content! My door is open to them 24/7.
Great review as always! BTW - SRAM’s German language website states that the new cassette weighs 275g which seems wrong based on what you quoted from their documentation (288g) and what you got weighing it yourself (289g). For that price, they better be precise 😊
Interesting. Was the German market limited to only using 6 cogs? 😆
I have the new SRAM RED XPLR AXS group set with the Power Meter on my Trek Checkmate SLR 9. I notice in the Garmin Connect website and app that for any given activity the Left/Right balance is always 56%/44%. With my dual sided Garmin Rally pedals the Left/Right balance is always with in 1-2%. Did you happen to look at L/R balance?
After some more research into the SRAM Quarq Power Meter I found this from a Quarq representative..
"The strain gauges are in the crankset spider. The spider, chainrings and chain are what drives the bike forward, so we are measuring total power output - the combined output of both legs. To create left/right balance we split the pedal stroke into two halves. From 12 o’clock to 6 o’clock on the drive side is counted as right and 12 o’clock to 6 o’clock on the non-drive side is counted as left. I have heard this called downstream power balance, which is a decent term for it. Although it can prove useful for injury recovery, it is not a true left/right measurement."
@@mister_ray thanks for sharing this, exactly what I was looking for. Seems a bit misleading that they sell this as a left/right power meter. Would love to see someone actually compare it to left/right power meter pedals.
Can you buy just the new xplr power meter spindle and install it on road sram red axs crank ? And of course buy the desired ring size ? Is it compatible ?
enve Fray also has UDH
Is it me or is the cassette moving in the background 🤔
its moving
3:38 The direction of the metal wouldn't allow it to bend from that side but sideways, the way every derailleur hanger bends when a bike falls over, it will definitely bend and they are banking on it - your bike slid and fell over, get the wallet out. It's not like they couldn't make those attachments replaceable but they didn't, they want you to buy a completely new one(it's "Planned obsolescence" which lots of US companies love lately).
There were a few attempts at criticising this new derailleur configuration when the first UDH / T-Type rear derailleur was released... but they tech is holding up well. The same media sources haven't attempted to float the same criticisms with this new XPLR. As for the attachments/etc, I've uploaded a breakout image of the rear derailleur here: imgur.com/a/qRshrW0 Lots of replaceable parts.
If you want a good line of attack - The cost of the XPLR cassette being almost the same as the rear derailleur itself is a topic that'll raise a few eyebrows. Groupsets don't have a 'subscription model' as such but charging what they do for the cassette (a consumable component) is effectively the same thing.
The 3T Strada Italia road bike is UDH compatible. Maybe the regular Strada is too, but they don't mention it so I doubt it.
The Fairlight Strael 3.0 does have the option to exchange the standard dropout with a UDH dropout, however the chainstay length is 418mm, so not sure if it's compatible.
Can you use the new xplr power meter spider on road sram axs crank ? That would be nice !
wow good price, ill take two
Grab three to save time! 🤣
🥶🥶 $4000
if i need the change tyre or fix tyre
should i just mark the place of the UHD and derailleur first then remove the rear wheel?
otherwise i need to re-find the proper place of the rear setup?
thank you
Engage the cage lock, remove the wheel, fix, install wheel, release cage lock. No need to adjust the UDH positioning.
@@gplama thank you
I've suddenly got 7 of my subbed channels popping out a review video. Of course the only one worth my time is GPLama!
Those Zipp wheels look brilliant!
You know you've subbed to the right channels when they review the new bike tech
Haha similar action on my feed too
True thang
Llama, DCR, Des, GCN, outdoor bros, David Arthur, Bike Rader... Did I get them all? That's my feed 😂
@@dyshuk I also follow gravel cyclist, nice interesting ride videos
1k for a gravel cassette. Ludicrous. Absurd.
My god. Nealy $7k aud is absolutely insane. What's the deal with mechanical 12sp Apex in australia? Can't find any place that sells it.
Can you imagine that later on Rival or Apex level we'll get a non-UDH version?
No. 13spd requires UDH with this group for the additional spacing.
Priced for the top one percenters.
Well yea. They’ll come out with the force and rival versions soon enough.
@gplama what’s the weight on the derailleur? - thanks for all the great info!!
Shane: Off topic, with Stages Power meter closing the doors this spring. Have you head if their will be any support for Stages power meter owners in the future. I head several people moved to Giant in some news articles. My Stages power meter is working well, but I am little worried in the future it will continue working well without an updates. This was my first dive into purchasing and training with a power meter two years ago. It was the most affordable power meter at the time for me to purchase. Any insight would be greatly appreciated!!
I haven't heard anything. I'd consider any Stages product unsupported and a risky buy until we here anything further.
Do you know if the original Cervelo Aspero frame is UDH compatible?
Only the latest model has UDH. Not the original or the 5.
Great in depth review as usual Lama but HOW MUCH!! 🤦♂️😂
Lots. 💰 (Pricing is in the video chapters)
There’s going to be lower tiers real soon
What’s to stop you adding this to an MTB with a blipbox and blips as the shifter?
Chainstay and rear hub spacing. The cranks won't fit a majority of bikes, and the rear hub spacing is different on mtb
also the xdr freehub body
Question, when removing the rear wheel does the derailleur fall off? What keeps it in place during a wheel change?
It has its own bolt/clamp. It’s not going anywhere. The SRAM TH-cam channels should have a few videos up on how to change a wheel (and even install the RD) if you’re keen to dig into it.
@@gplama just watched it, seems easy enough 👍 Wonder if or when the road will adopt this standard.
Is chain noise excessive given that the cassette is now wider?
Nope. It’s all good after the immersive wax.
SRAM is really making a mess. We have the more or less "standard" chains which only vary in width for anything up to 11 speed. Then there is flattop and t-type for 12 speed. Now, there is 13 speed with a cassette looking iike the mtb t-type ones while requiring the flattop chain...
No derailleur hanger also means no cheap part that breaks instead of the pricy rear derailleur or frame (or both)? Not sure if Im a fan of that...
This style mount has held up extremely well for their MTB groups for over a year. When Full Mount derailleurs were first released there was a massive (attempted) uproar on how this would be breaking frames. It hasn't happened. Which is good. It's proven tech.
40 to 48 c2c handlebars?? so progressive on the rim width yet so far on handlebars...
Why? Should they be wider?
@@ignaciosevil2157 absolutely not. 48cm is clownish even for gravel, nobody needs them so wide lol. there's a growing demand for 38s and 36s and virtually zero demand for 48s
@@Carftymk I see, I ride a flatbar with attachments and it sucks… I’m considering road handlebar… canyon news bar that can adjust width seem next level. What brand would you recommend for comfort?
@@ignaciosevil2157 as far as i know the canyon adjustable handlebars:
1. are not for sale individually
2. are kinda shit
3. have a proprietary steerer width so you need a canyon or giant fork to run them
there is no one brand for comfort, but conventionally expert bike fitters recommend modern bars with 70mm reach, shallow drops, i think 90mm. width depending on your shoulder width. if you want to nail it book a bike fitting session, otherwise bike fitters probably recommend a classic like the deda rhm. if this is your first dropbar you can get a 40cm for cheap and see how you like it. also for carbon bars some are made to be stiffer for sprinters and some are made to be more comfortable for vibrations
How many people have a Gravel frame with UDH ? 😢😢😢 is some sort of an adapter possible ?
if you can afford the groupset, you can afford a new frame probably :) I don't think an adapter is possible unless your bike has exchangeable dropouts like some steel or titanium bikes have.
@@simonstucki that sucks. I have an ENVE MELEE 1x 12s and just adding the 13s rear derailleur + cassette would be phenomenal
New bikes only then?
Bikes with UDH. The Enve MOG has had UDH for well over a year (since release).
Kinda like disc brakes but even worse.
I'm not swiching unless they provide at least 16 gears 😂
But which of those 16 gears would you switch to?
Might be a good fit on the ENVE Fray. THis reviewer tried it, but the Cervelo Aspero should be a good bike to test fit too. (th-cam.com/video/QuW3z7OIIto/w-d-xo.html) I have a Fray myself, but with only a few rides on my new Red setup, there's nothing in the new set to warrant an upgrade and I think I still prefer a 2X setup for Road & All-road bikes.
46t cassette is far too small even for the smallest chainring which is 38t.
Very nice video. I guess you want to speed things up since you go through a lot of details, but when you cut away all your small natural pauses in speech it becomes very rapid and hard to follow, I had to replay some of it in 0.75x.
So...... expensive!
Yes
For 7 grand you can buy a mid range bike for that!! 🙄
Or a Toyota! 👌
I don’t like the way zipp pushes their proprietary stuff everywhere…
And then is the hookless stuff wich is not safe or give any plus on the consumer side of things
As soon as I see “Hookless” is a big no for me, hazard ⚠️ wheels…
Your car tires are hookless. The problem is non-MTB hookless was unfortunately pushed at road first and not gravel. Roadies were still extensively on 25/28 which is sorta the "no no space" for hookless. If they could have held off a bit longer where gravel was fully mainstream, they may have been able to target it better...but they didn't. With that much internal with, hookless are good/great.
Racers push their bikes and components to their limits, race in all sorts of weather, are out there for days and weeks back to back riding, anything can go wrong. They take hooked and aluminium rims' limits for granted and assume hookless can be pushed as much.
I am 100% sure my 303 FC were made for 28mm tires and today I checked Zipp's website and they have nudged the minimum tire size up by 2mm. Default minimum is now 29mm tires, all tires mentioned in their chart are at least 30mm, except few tires that are specifically tested in collaboration with some tire brands.
I have ridden with this set for 1.5 years and thousands of kilometers. I had zero punctures, no burps or any specific issue that didn't already happen on other 4 wheelsets of different variations. And I have always ran 28mm tires, which now have to change to 30.
LOL, I’ve been racing hookless for many years now. MTB and Gravel.
Where is this madness going to stop? 1x20?
Too much cross chaining.
Future: hey 2x11 was perfect after all.
Honest how many people need 13 speed.....only the suckers 😂😂😂😂