I was off put by the controversy around this game based on one person's reaction to this while being totally fine with the activities of, you know, the vikings. The whole thing seemed disingenuous to me. That said the game looks really fun and I will be picking it up. I appreciate your integrity.
It’s a decent expansion that adds another dimension to the core game. It’s just a shame that it’s been overshadowed by controversy. There was a decent disclaimer on the event cards and I was able to place the game in its historical context without needing further guidance on the issue. With reference to Vikings, my ancestors in the North of England were subject to barbarism from that group. I’m not sure if I’m qualified to ask a designer to alter their game because of it though. Maybe I just won’t play it if it upsets me. I wasn’t offended by Blood Rage or Raiders of the North Sea.
@@chrismichael9556 Well, public image anyway (or the bottom line). It is just fascinating what is considered inappropriate compared to something comparable that is totally okay in the eyes of the idealists. It seems people just like throwing their weight around to feel like they are somehow making a difference. But I'm cynical like that.
@@danielmarlett1421 isn't that the point of the controversy, to discuss what's people would like to see in board games? I personally am not offended by pizzaro and cortes but other people are. If I made a nazi simulation board game then I'm sure you'd be understanding of why public reaction would be negative.
@@ArtaxForever Fair point. It is their right to complain. But the nature of their complaints in contrast to one of their favorite games involving vikings and pillaging does strike me as tone deaf. I think we can all agree that Viticulture World is not a Nazi simulator.
It is interesting that Mafia cards from the original viticulture didn't cause the same level of controversy despite the known effect of the mafia on the people of Italy.
I missed all of the controversy over this game but it seems like another storm in a teacup to me. I’m really not happy that segments of the board gaming community have gone so woke. Some channels are unwatchable for me now. Thankfully, BG Bollocks are the antithesis to this. I really appreciate the honesty of this channel. Cheers.
Crying on camera for 10+ minutes over centuries old historical figure seems like someone that requires psychologia appointment instead of being advisor to multinational game publisher.
I have Viticuture Essentials and Tuscany Expansion but I have been asleep at the wheel when it comes to World. That said, anything engaging Twatter's and FBs perpectually offended bell-ends just bores the pants off me. I have a somewhat aging game called Emira. It's not great, but it's not bad either. In came the virtue signaling crowd and cry bullies to suggest that the game's theme directly advocated for the harem system and female enslavement to the exclusion of any real discussion as to the actual merits or otherwise of the game. That's akin to implying that anyone who enjoys consuming alcohol endorses alcoholism.
If you genuinely liked it then why would you feel bad for owning it? Nobody's telling you you're a bad person for owning that game. Do you feel personally attacked because people are criticizing a game you own?
@@ArtaxForever I think you have miss-interpretted my comment here. I have never been criticised for owning any game (well, other than the real turkeys that creep into everyone's collection). My point is that people can find reasons to question the inclusion of one or more elements of a game as inappropriate. I don't dismiss their distress or concerns, but I am not required to wallow in them either, anymore than others should be required to accommodate my sensitivities. If a game crosses a thematic, moral or ethical line for me I can just choose from the thousands of others that are available every year. These are board games and a hobby, we should not imbue them with greater significance than they actually merit.
@@jackburtonstwin I totally agree, you're not required to question/not purchase whether this game is problematic, but the people who are questioning it have the same right to do so. It was stonemaiers choice to amend the cards, I don't personally have a strong opinion whether that was good or not, but I do feel it was a good thing for people to speak up about their criticisms.
Just to clarify what the "demands" are that Matt mentions in this video, here's what we requested of early reviewers to whom we sent Viticulture World: "Important for Viticulture World: Please do not play with the South America continent until you receive the replacement cards (see this article for context), which will be sent separately later in May. Alternatively, you can download and print the replacement cards here. There’s still plenty of content in the expansion for you to explore, and you’re welcome to play as much or as little of it before featuring it on your platform." It's well within any reviewer's rights to play any game we send to them as they wish, when they wish, and how they wish. The only "demand"--if you want to call it that--that we ever make to reviewers who request a review copy is that they actually review the product at some point, which I appreciate Matt doing here.
Thanks for your comments Jamey. I was referring to the demands placed upon content creators by the industry in general and not any particular instructions from you, which I admit I failed to read in their entirety. In the years I’ve been reviewing board games I’ve seen a definite shift in how reviewers operate and how, in my opinion, they’ve become tied to the industry zeitgeist whether it be for monetary or ideological reasons. I was merely saying, quite forcefully as I’m a passionate human being, that opening that door is dangerous. What we mustn’t lose sight of though is that games are but lumps of cardboard…
@@BoardGameBollocks Thanks for clarifying. I'm sorry about the shift you're feeling, and I hope you always feel welcome to freely share your opinions about games (or any topic). I don't typically watch reviews about our games, but I was curious (from the BGG conversation) about some of the questions being asked to you and wanted to better understand what was actually said.
That’s the important thing, Jamey - that the conversation continues. Feel free to watch my reviews of your games anytime if you need a genuine opinion of your work.
Im suprised that people were disallowed to play with the cards they received. Would it be fine to play them if they paste over Cortes with picture of Benny Hill and played just for the mechanics of the card?
@@Wolcik3000 No one was disallowed from doing anything; I simply requested that reviewers wait to play with one of the seven continents until they received the replacement cards (which are mechanically identical). In most regions, we sent the replacement cards 1-2 weeks ago.
I know Bene Gesserit are fictional characters but I like the quote that living people are children of conquerors, but then you wouldn't be able to be mad at your ancestors when told to not respect them by your history teacher... or a journalist with liberal art degree
Really enjoyed playing this game but the original is the best. Loved the introduction of being able to improve the action spaces and would love and would love to have this in essential edition. Also having the night and day workers is really good.
Have you tried doing simultaneous turns? Jamey said "You can essentially take simultaneous turns in Viticulture World--you just can't place multiple workers before another player has only placed 1." It might address the playtime issue?
I wish the innovation tiles had some pale background shapes. White on white is hard to read. 🙈 THE BOARD DOESNT FIT?! Conquistadors bad, but the deal breaker may just be the board.
The controversy is fucking hilarious, one crying woman with a bad take on history is enough for a publisher to crawl on their knees. Hold on to those cards, they'll be collectors items.
I don't want to get it because of the woke direction of this expansion. But if I ever should want it, it would be now because of the cards. Very conflicted.
Ya I couldn't believe how quickly Jamie began coddling and apologizing for the trauma he caused her. His exact words were "thank you for sharing your truth" 🤢🤮🤮🤮
@@lexodius there is no woke direction, you'll still get the original cards with the game. They are just adding additional replacements if you want them.
@@lexodius That is exactly where I am at. If I do order it when it becomes available, I will need to get it confirmed that the original cards are there.
having two papas or mamas should be more beneficial in the short run as they don't waste money on children - it would be troublesome for the campaign as the lineage would end in next generations
@@BoardGameBollocks Then mamas could, but then it would mean you can get a new generation card as long as you have one woman as the pertner is irelevant in that process.
I was off put by the controversy around this game based on one person's reaction to this while being totally fine with the activities of, you know, the vikings. The whole thing seemed disingenuous to me. That said the game looks really fun and I will be picking it up. I appreciate your integrity.
It’s a decent expansion that adds another dimension to the core game. It’s just a shame that it’s been overshadowed by controversy.
There was a decent disclaimer on the event cards and I was able to place the game in its historical context without needing further guidance on the issue.
With reference to Vikings, my ancestors in the North of England were subject to barbarism from that group. I’m not sure if I’m qualified to ask a designer to alter their game because of it though. Maybe I just won’t play it if it upsets me. I wasn’t offended by Blood Rage or Raiders of the North Sea.
Snowflakes ❄️ must be protected at all costs. ALL COSTS . Lol
@@chrismichael9556 Well, public image anyway (or the bottom line). It is just fascinating what is considered inappropriate compared to something comparable that is totally okay in the eyes of the idealists. It seems people just like throwing their weight around to feel like they are somehow making a difference. But I'm cynical like that.
@@danielmarlett1421 isn't that the point of the controversy, to discuss what's people would like to see in board games? I personally am not offended by pizzaro and cortes but other people are. If I made a nazi simulation board game then I'm sure you'd be understanding of why public reaction would be negative.
@@ArtaxForever Fair point. It is their right to complain. But the nature of their complaints in contrast to one of their favorite games involving vikings and pillaging does strike me as tone deaf. I think we can all agree that Viticulture World is not a Nazi simulator.
Mister, you are my favourite reviewer! I love your freedom to say what you want! Cheers!
👍🏻
It is interesting that Mafia cards from the original viticulture didn't cause the same level of controversy despite the known effect of the mafia on the people of Italy.
Good point
You have one of the last honest channels in board game social media
I thought the controversy was also super silly. You nailed this review. Thanks for always being a great channel.
Oh god, a board game reminded me history happened. How awful.
I missed all of the controversy over this game but it seems like another storm in a teacup to me. I’m really not happy that segments of the board gaming community have gone so woke. Some channels are unwatchable for me now. Thankfully, BG Bollocks are the antithesis to this. I really appreciate the honesty of this channel. Cheers.
Crying on camera for 10+ minutes over centuries old historical figure seems like someone that requires psychologia appointment instead of being advisor to multinational game publisher.
So many of them are either obnoxiously woke or visibly recovering from a two year quarantine.
@@Botanica_Gaming its true that even children suicide rates have sky rocket thanks to our kind rulers
Listened, liked the style of the review, liked the reasoning behind the pros and cons of the game and subscribed.
Wise choice 👍🏻
I have Viticuture Essentials and Tuscany Expansion but I have been asleep at the wheel when it comes to World. That said, anything engaging Twatter's and FBs perpectually offended bell-ends just bores the pants off me. I have a somewhat aging game called Emira. It's not great, but it's not bad either. In came the virtue signaling crowd and cry bullies to suggest that the game's theme directly advocated for the harem system and female enslavement to the exclusion of any real discussion as to the actual merits or otherwise of the game. That's akin to implying that anyone who enjoys consuming alcohol endorses alcoholism.
If you genuinely liked it then why would you feel bad for owning it? Nobody's telling you you're a bad person for owning that game. Do you feel personally attacked because people are criticizing a game you own?
@@ArtaxForever I think you have miss-interpretted my comment here. I have never been criticised for owning any game (well, other than the real turkeys that creep into everyone's collection). My point is that people can find reasons to question the inclusion of one or more elements of a game as inappropriate. I don't dismiss their distress or concerns, but I am not required to wallow in them either, anymore than others should be required to accommodate my sensitivities. If a game crosses a thematic, moral or ethical line for me I can just choose from the thousands of others that are available every year. These are board games and a hobby, we should not imbue them with greater significance than they actually merit.
@@jackburtonstwin I totally agree, you're not required to question/not purchase whether this game is problematic, but the people who are questioning it have the same right to do so. It was stonemaiers choice to amend the cards, I don't personally have a strong opinion whether that was good or not, but I do feel it was a good thing for people to speak up about their criticisms.
Great review and love the honesty
An amazing review as always, keep up the great content!
Just to clarify what the "demands" are that Matt mentions in this video, here's what we requested of early reviewers to whom we sent Viticulture World:
"Important for Viticulture World: Please do not play with the South America continent until you receive the replacement cards (see this article for context), which will be sent separately later in May. Alternatively, you can download and print the replacement cards here. There’s still plenty of content in the expansion for you to explore, and you’re welcome to play as much or as little of it before featuring it on your platform."
It's well within any reviewer's rights to play any game we send to them as they wish, when they wish, and how they wish. The only "demand"--if you want to call it that--that we ever make to reviewers who request a review copy is that they actually review the product at some point, which I appreciate Matt doing here.
Thanks for your comments Jamey.
I was referring to the demands placed upon content creators by the industry in general and not any particular instructions from you, which I admit I failed to read in their entirety.
In the years I’ve been reviewing board games I’ve seen a definite shift in how reviewers operate and how, in my opinion, they’ve become tied to the industry zeitgeist whether it be for monetary or ideological reasons.
I was merely saying, quite forcefully as I’m a passionate human being, that opening that door is dangerous.
What we mustn’t lose sight of though is that games are but lumps of cardboard…
@@BoardGameBollocks Thanks for clarifying. I'm sorry about the shift you're feeling, and I hope you always feel welcome to freely share your opinions about games (or any topic). I don't typically watch reviews about our games, but I was curious (from the BGG conversation) about some of the questions being asked to you and wanted to better understand what was actually said.
That’s the important thing, Jamey - that the conversation continues. Feel free to watch my reviews of your games anytime if you need a genuine opinion of your work.
Im suprised that people were disallowed to play with the cards they received.
Would it be fine to play them if they paste over Cortes with picture of Benny Hill and played just for the mechanics of the card?
@@Wolcik3000 No one was disallowed from doing anything; I simply requested that reviewers wait to play with one of the seven continents until they received the replacement cards (which are mechanically identical). In most regions, we sent the replacement cards 1-2 weeks ago.
Just subscribed and I've been really enjoying your videos. Appreciate you not bowing to the snowflake mafia like so many others do.
I know Bene Gesserit are fictional characters but I like the quote that living people are children of conquerors, but then you wouldn't be able to be mad at your ancestors when told to not respect them by your history teacher... or a journalist with liberal art degree
Really enjoyed playing this game but the original is the best. Loved the introduction of being able to improve the action spaces and would love and would love to have this in essential edition. Also having the night and day workers is really good.
Have you tried doing simultaneous turns? Jamey said "You can essentially take simultaneous turns in Viticulture World--you just can't place multiple workers before another player has only placed 1."
It might address the playtime issue?
Thought about it but you still need to confer as it’s a coop game.
@@BoardGameBollocks Yeah true
What were the demands?
If you have Tuscany, could you fit that Viticulture World board in the box anyways? Seems like there's just enough room for the Tuscany board.
Tuscany board fits in the core box
@@BoardGameBollocks I meant fitting the Viticulture World board in addition to the Tuscany and base boards
Oh right. If they both fit in the core box there’s not much point. Im still left with a box I shouldn’t need. Bizarre choice by designer.
As ever great work on the review. Do wonder if the controversy is sometimes part of the marketing campaign.
I wish the innovation tiles had some pale background shapes. White on white is hard to read. 🙈 THE BOARD DOESNT FIT?! Conquistadors bad, but the deal breaker may just be the board.
Was that a young Bill Murray making a cameo?
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Love yer patter
I hope that means what I think it does 😳
The controversy is fucking hilarious, one crying woman with a bad take on history is enough for a publisher to crawl on their knees. Hold on to those cards, they'll be collectors items.
I don't want to get it because of the woke direction of this expansion. But if I ever should want it, it would be now because of the cards. Very conflicted.
Ya I couldn't believe how quickly Jamie began coddling and apologizing for the trauma he caused her. His exact words were "thank you for sharing your truth" 🤢🤮🤮🤮
Agree, the hysterical reaction of one of the Thinkerthemers was completely over the top. Can't watch that show anymore.
@@lexodius there is no woke direction, you'll still get the original cards with the game. They are just adding additional replacements if you want them.
@@lexodius That is exactly where I am at. If I do order it when it becomes available, I will need to get it confirmed that the original cards are there.
having two papas or mamas should be more beneficial in the short run as they don't waste money on children - it would be troublesome for the campaign as the lineage would end in next generations
Same sex couples could still have children last time I looked…
@@BoardGameBollocks they can adopt - that is true, but then there is no asymethy in picking that pair in mechanics
Last time I checked most women can have babies regardless of sexuality 🤷
@@BoardGameBollocks Then mamas could, but then it would mean you can get a new generation card as long as you have one woman as the pertner is irelevant in that process.
I’m not sure what the point is here. It’s a game. Ergo it’s not real…
I'm never gonna buy another stonemeier game again. Tired of these virtue signalling, pandering, hypocrites.
I’ll buy their games if they’re good. Sadly their most recent offerings have been shit.