Great video, thank you bro.. You lived without burning your house down, which passes all safety concerns for me. All of this whilst showing its true usefullness. Cool
I really want one of these, 2.8kW DC going in, 3.2kW AC coming out on your first test. turn the load up and still over 110%, turn load up again to 5082 watts and still more than 110% efficient, but of course this inverter is only running at 1/3 of it's rated load capacity. has to be the best inverter on the market, Ill watch part 2 now!
You need to understand the Chiniesium Rating System. When they say a power supply is good for 20A they mean it will only start Smoking at 10A . Will not burst into flames until 20A !
It's called you get what you pay for. Chinese factories make crap but they also manufacture high-quality stuff like iPhones. Did he really expect to get 15000W inverter for a few hundred dollars?
I have a 6000 W unit and is really happy with it. For continous load I can have about 2000 W and for some minutes 3000+ W. It is enough to use electric cooking plates, wood saws and welding with 2 mm electrodes. So by my experience you should divide Power Jacks "continous" watt with 3. Then you seem to be on the safe side for real continous use. I am planning to buy a 15 kW this summer because I want to have 5 kW capacity for a bigger 3 phase saw and for larger stick electrodes. One thing I didnt like is that the voltage goes up so high in higher loads.
My experience is similar: divide the promised maximum load by two and continous load by three - this is what you get with Power Jack. Furthermore you need an AC clamp meter as the built-in instrument exaggerates the output - in my case by 20%. When you want to operate such a powerful inverter you need to connect your batteries to the inverter with fingerthick wires - otherwise the voltage drop in the wires is too much. Better monitor your input voltage too since very often a drop of input voltage under heavy load is the reason for the inverter to shut down. So wiring and battery upgrade maximizes what you can get out of the Power Jack inverter. Anyway - power output even with optimal wiring and huge batteries will not exceed the values the output fuse can take - in my case around half of the advertised power.
Great video I see your points made . Mine has the same rating maybe they changed it . On my 220 side it has a 3 wires on each connection port. On the 110 the wire is much larger the G has 3 larger wires . I don't have a 220 plug . It has 6 fuses and a 250 amp batter charger . Maybe they seen your video upgraded it or something .
Mr. Joel C. do you offer support? I purchased a 5000W LF several years ago. I installed it in my truck and wired it to power the house in an emergency. the truck has a 160 amp alt with duel batteries. I never actually tried to use it till just yesterday, more for curiosity if it even worked, I turned it on, it made a rather loud, pulsating hum. made me think a UFO was landed.. I plugged in a 3/8 power drill and pulled the trigger, it barley would run, the inverter alarm sounded and it shut down. so I plugged in a 40 watt work light, it lit the bulb, the humming tone changed, the alarm sounded but it didn't shut down. after about 30 to 45 seconds the inverter started popping and smoking, it shut down..... I quickly turned it off, unplugged the light, waited a minute, turned it back on and it started smoking again, this time with no humming, only the control panel lit. Guessing I did something wrong and I fried it. What the hell did I do!?? ..Is this terminal? Is it fixable? is it worth fixing? any help will be greatly appreciated, randy from Ithaca NY.
I just returned a 8000w powerjack to the seller. It scared the S*** out of me. it behaved totally irregular and wouldnt power up a kitchen 700w mixer. It did power a 2000w vacumcleaner but only after a wierd 4 second long oscillation between 0 and 220v... I am currently in the proces of finding another solution
@@TanTannaRen Im beginning to think these power jacks are a scam. I have asked a couple of youtuber powerjack guys and got a wealth of actual help...….not.
Get a reliable electric pure sine wave inverter there cheep and one of the best on the markit around 350 bucks comes in 24 volt and 12 volt and the aeliussine 3000 watt also is a good one I got both
@@jameswilsin5348 What's the biggest appliance you have run on it? I'm slowly gathering better parts after spending 5 days in freezing temperatures in Texas with no power or water. I have the solar panels and new mppt 60A controller on the way.
How would 250V damage anything? That is only about 4% over the normal 240V. Applicances/loads have a much larger tolerance than just 4%. Many 120V appliances for example will run from 100V to 130V. If I were you, I wouldn't start to worry until 260V for 240V output.
I take it there was a big explosion that stopped your experiment. I hope you survived. If you did survive, I have to add more bad news. That was never a 15kw inverter, more like 5kw with a label containing a great big lie. Not sure of the weight of the 15kw powerjack, but it is most certainly a 2 man lift and about twice the length of what you had on your bench.......before the explosion. I hope your recovery goes well.
in your opinion will this inverter safely run a 5hp split 220ac duel cap motor for 30 minutes continuous? after watching the video I feel that I can find solace in your honest opinion... thanks...
5hp equates to about 3.7kw I think it should probably work, the motor probably draws about 17 amps while under full load, which is less than the 20amp fuse, so it should be ok. normally, you don't want to exceed 80% of the fuse rating for continuous loads (1hr+), 30min should be fine though. The main concern with your motor is the start-up current, for which you need this kind of inverter. If you decide to try it, please come back and comment again, or better yet, upload a video and share it here!
@@erroneus I can share this Joel... the 5hp motor is a FLA 16.A... during start and with a full load draw (my load= 10A dc -/+ 100A dc - 110amp is full load against bank) I see a blink at 28A (one leg) then it drops to 8A per leg as per the FLA 16.A as labeled on the motor. I don't want to blow up my batteries or my charge motor, or anything in between, including the local 911 call center. smiles... thank you...
If you intend to run your house or anything substantial off these inverters then DO NOT BUY. I had the 10KW version for 2 yrs and it needed 2x new control panels and umpteen fuses which kept blowing when it switched between inverting and grid. Also, when the temps got high in the Summer it de-rated the output to less than 2KW @ 45 C and SHUT DOWN completely over 55 C. These Powerjack units will give you a headache and anyone who says they are great has a load to sell... be warned.
my PJPower Jack Item no. LFPSW-5000-24 volt input-110 output, said 5000 w continuous, 20,000 w peak , but blows a fuse on my 1500 w portable ac . lol. 20,000 w peak? funny. but it has been plugged in for 2 years with 220 amp hours /24 volt lead acid batteries and comes one every time the lights go out or i unplug it for test. will keep a bunch of lights on plus the computer, router,cable,box,fridge,big led TV. good enough for $275. i wish i had got the one with 220. mine has a 20 amp fuse also. soooo something funny is going on here.
The built - in instrument exaggerates the output - in my case by 20%. So you may get an efficiency of 100% when you believe it. Better get an AC clamp meter and measure the output yourself.
WOW, I wish the facts could be presented fairly. I can't even power a 5W LED desk lamp without an alarm going off. Maybe the 5 watt desk lamp has a HUGE peak surge as it blows an alarm. I had the unit and been through replacement of part panels to no avail. can't power 5 Watts so how can it be good fro anything else? do not buy these as they are not worth the time or effort.
@@albertwolanski7688 so I need a 100watt inverter for my well pump, welder, and other major power hogs? I can't even power all the lights, microwave and fridge. The system is mis labelled as 220 when it only does 110. Spent $300 to have an electrician validate the wiring and set up. All fine except for a LOS inverter that was false label to begin with.
there's a way to connect this inverter to a electric panel, I think is missing the ground cable, and the cables on the L1 L2 are to small, I think they should be at least #6AWG
Howard Escoffery I wired it to the panel using just L1 , N, L2 the inverters ground is grounded to a new ground rod i drove into the earth, i didnt bond it to neutral, everything works great, 220V mini split runs great as well as all other circuits at the same time. Used a Tester on the plugs wand all light up ok.
Hi, I am considering using the motherboard, which seems to be relatively well designed in the last revision, from that model inverter to build an actual 15kVA inverter with my own MOSFET board and own transformer. Would you have some details about the interval wiring? I can't seem to find a wiring diagram. Any information would be helpful. Thanks
the datasheet for the controller is in the description of my other video, check it out here. th-cam.com/video/qF1Qw_7rz5E/w-d-xo.html there is a schematic in the data sheet that shows how the mosfets and transformers are connected. I will do more on this in a future video.
Jose Garcia no idea, it looks like for a lithium pack, I need to build my own inverter at this point. There are inverters out there, like outback, or magna, that are very good, but also $$$
Do you REALLY need 15 kW continous? If so you need to combine several inverters. The well known brands can connect several inverters of the same brand together.
Sure, you could. But why would you-and for how long ? Oh, just long enough to set your house on fire maybe. He is absolutely correct and keeping safety in mind when he states that the wiring / fusing etc. in that inverter is way to small to even begin to support a 15,000 continuous load (even for 5 minutes). I run our entire home on an 8000 watt radian inverter that has an actual 8000 watt full time capacity, 9000 watt for 30 minutes surge and 16,000 watts surge for 30 seconds. No false advertising involved ! The Radian inverter is rated at 33 amps max @ 240 volts. This is plenty of power for our entire home. The wiring for the Radian is much heavier than what is shown here in the power Jack inverter. Power Jack misleads people by stating surge capacity listings as if they are constant duty use ratings. This is B.S. and false advertising AND MOST DANGEROUS !!!
IT SAYS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE,BOTTOM, 6000W, 15000 IS PEAK,SO WHY THE FUCK DOES HE KEEP SAYING,, IT WONT GIVE ME THAT,,ITS A 6000W YOU HAVE,FOR FUCK SAKE
pure PowerJunk , the manual is a joke, what 8 pages 2 pages of Asian bikini girls, SMA sunny island is 240 pages of actual detail on setting up, Dangerous unit..
Can you see how many ac outlet attached to the inverter. The simple explanation is, this is like a lamborghini 6500 cc only carry two person. While we want to make the lamborghini carry 40 person like buses. Means this unit shall operate one instrument only which using a higher wattage such as industrial equipment. The chinese is not stupid but we are. They made it such away that we shall buy more if we want to use on more instrument. Instead of proofing fake on not to it purpose, why don't you make the 15kw c/w 130 amp so it can power 10 instrument at once (13 a x 10 inst = 130 a at 1.5kw per instrument) and if to hook up to ncb 300 amp it should be sufficient enough for average home user, provided you had enough dc power source to feed it...Gerard Morin only need 600 volt 12 amphere inverter or power supply to powered whole house with one car battery. Help him if you can you can become millionaire and will be apreciated by million of people.
Great video, thank you bro.. You lived without burning your house down, which passes all safety concerns for me. All of this whilst showing its true usefullness. Cool
I really want one of these, 2.8kW DC going in, 3.2kW AC coming out on your first test. turn the load up and still over 110%, turn load up again to 5082 watts and still more than 110% efficient, but of course this inverter is only running at 1/3 of it's rated load capacity. has to be the best inverter on the market, Ill watch part 2 now!
The software may have had some averaging code that messed with the amp reading. Future videos will be more accurate.
Did you every use the battery charger on this unit? I'm confused as to how to wire up the 220VAC input. Not much of a manual.
nice test. shows the point of the test how it should be done.tested until it breaks if it doesn't break that's a good inverter.
You need to understand the Chiniesium Rating System. When they say a power supply is good for 20A they mean it will only start Smoking at 10A . Will not burst into flames until 20A !
It's called you get what you pay for. Chinese factories make crap but they also manufacture high-quality stuff like iPhones. Did he really expect to get 15000W inverter for a few hundred dollars?
@@EdisonWong2004 They can in fact make some TOP NOTCH gear. I have some. You don't get it at E-bay prices.
I have a 6000 W unit and is really happy with it. For continous load I can have about 2000 W and for some minutes 3000+ W. It is enough to use electric cooking plates, wood saws and welding with 2 mm electrodes.
So by my experience you should divide Power Jacks "continous" watt with 3. Then you seem to be on the safe side for real continous use.
I am planning to buy a 15 kW this summer because I want to have 5 kW capacity for a bigger 3 phase saw and for larger stick electrodes.
One thing I didnt like is that the voltage goes up so high in higher loads.
My experience is similar: divide the promised maximum load by two and continous load by three - this is what you get with Power Jack. Furthermore you need an AC clamp meter as the built-in instrument exaggerates the output - in my case by 20%. When you want to operate such a powerful inverter you need to connect your batteries to the inverter with fingerthick wires - otherwise the voltage drop in the wires is too much. Better monitor your input voltage too since very often a drop of input voltage under heavy load is the reason for the inverter to shut down. So wiring and battery upgrade maximizes what you can get out of the Power Jack inverter. Anyway - power output even with optimal wiring and huge batteries will not exceed the values the output fuse can take - in my case around half of the advertised power.
There is no 3 phase in the States. it is a 1 phase with the split (tap)
this is only the 8000w inverter from powerjack with a 15000w sticker slapped on it.
Its a 5000w not an 8000w
i just bought one of these think it might be a bit older its the 10kw version for 250 are you telling me it wont even come close to 10kw
I think what that label means is 1 5000W inverter as in quantity one of a 5000W inverter.
Great video I see your points made . Mine has the same rating maybe they changed it . On my 220 side it has a 3 wires on each connection port. On the 110 the wire is much larger the G has 3 larger wires . I don't have a 220 plug . It has 6 fuses and a 250 amp batter charger . Maybe they seen your video upgraded it or something .
nice video's Joel... you Sir are all over this... very nice...
Ya there is people misleading other people on youtube(GT Vlog). Noboby should buy these units
Power jack reminds me of my favorite movie' simple jack. Starring Ben stiller
Mr. Joel C. do you offer support? I purchased a 5000W LF several years ago. I installed it in my truck and wired it to power the house in an emergency. the truck has a 160 amp alt with duel batteries. I never actually tried to use it till just yesterday, more for curiosity if it even worked, I turned it on, it made a rather loud, pulsating hum. made me think a UFO was landed.. I plugged in a 3/8 power drill and pulled the trigger, it barley would run, the inverter alarm sounded and it shut down. so I plugged in a 40 watt work light, it lit the bulb, the humming tone changed, the alarm sounded but it didn't shut down. after about 30 to 45 seconds the inverter started popping and smoking, it shut down..... I quickly turned it off, unplugged the light, waited a minute, turned it back on and it started smoking again, this time with no humming, only the control panel lit. Guessing I did something wrong and I fried it. What the hell did I do!?? ..Is this terminal? Is it fixable? is it worth fixing? any help will be greatly appreciated, randy from Ithaca NY.
Sorry to say, unless you can fix it yourself, you are probably out of luck.
so no idea what I could have done wrong? or just a bum unit?
I just returned a 8000w powerjack to the seller. It scared the S*** out of me. it behaved totally irregular and wouldnt power up a kitchen 700w mixer. It did power a 2000w vacumcleaner but only after a wierd 4 second long oscillation between 0 and 220v... I am currently in the proces of finding another solution
@@TanTannaRen Im beginning to think these power jacks are a scam. I have asked a couple of youtuber powerjack guys and got a wealth of actual help...….not.
mine has the aluminum fin shell and it weighed like 80lbs Power Jack LFPSW-10000-200
Was hoping you would take the cover off and we could see the mosets and wires inside.
i like these battery , is it deep cycle ? can you give me some info on it ?
I need a decent 2kw or 3kw inverter. I am searching the good old TH-cam comment section for ideas/recommendations.
Get a reliable electric pure sine wave inverter there cheep and one of the best on the markit around 350 bucks comes in 24 volt and 12 volt and the aeliussine 3000 watt also is a good one I got both
@@jameswilsin5348 What's the biggest appliance you have run on it? I'm slowly gathering better parts after spending 5 days in freezing temperatures in Texas with no power or water. I have the solar panels and new mppt 60A controller on the way.
IfThere's no neutral, how can you hook it to 240 v panel?
You can't, end of story.
Would be nice to see what you were using for a load.
Tesla?
How would 250V damage anything? That is only about 4% over the normal 240V. Applicances/loads have a much larger tolerance than just 4%. Many 120V appliances for example will run from 100V to 130V. If I were you, I wouldn't start to worry until 260V for 240V output.
Am I surprised no am I disappointed yes* haha i like that ! 😅
Thanx 4 the video
I seen someone do the review for that inverter and that is peak power and its said by the company
They claim 60kw surge.
where I can get this code cortesy of Jack record at eb TV
Jose Garcia info and kit here
store.evtv.me/proddetail.php?prod=basicsmodulecontroller
Open source software here
github.com/collin80/TeslaBMS
I take it there was a big explosion that stopped your experiment. I hope you survived. If you did survive, I have to add more bad news. That was never a 15kw inverter, more like 5kw with a label containing a great big lie. Not sure of the weight of the 15kw powerjack, but it is most certainly a 2 man lift and about twice the length of what you had on your bench.......before the explosion. I hope your recovery goes well.
in your opinion will this inverter safely run a 5hp split 220ac duel cap motor for 30 minutes continuous? after watching the video I feel that I can find solace in your honest opinion... thanks...
5hp equates to about 3.7kw I think it should probably work, the motor probably draws about 17 amps while under full load, which is less than the 20amp fuse, so it should be ok. normally, you don't want to exceed 80% of the fuse rating for continuous loads (1hr+), 30min should be fine though. The main concern with your motor is the start-up current, for which you need this kind of inverter. If you decide to try it, please come back and comment again, or better yet, upload a video and share it here!
@@erroneus I can share this Joel... the 5hp motor is a FLA 16.A... during start and with a full load draw (my load= 10A dc -/+ 100A dc - 110amp is full load against bank) I see a blink at 28A (one leg) then it drops to 8A per leg as per the FLA 16.A as labeled on the motor. I don't want to blow up my batteries or my charge motor, or anything in between, including the local 911 call center. smiles... thank you...
too much tech info on the ad, PowerJunk, mine pulled a 15watt fan and sent off forth of July light show inside 15000w 60000w
If you intend to run your house or anything substantial off these inverters then DO NOT BUY. I had the 10KW version for 2 yrs and it needed 2x new control panels and umpteen fuses which kept blowing when it switched between inverting and grid. Also, when the temps got high in the Summer it de-rated the output to less than 2KW @ 45 C and SHUT DOWN completely over 55 C. These Powerjack units will give you a headache and anyone who says they are great has a load to sell... be warned.
i got the same one and its not a power jack its a u power inverter LF and not as good as my 8000w LF power jack inverter
I have an 8Kw 240V Powerjack and it has 30 A fuses
my PJPower Jack
Item no. LFPSW-5000-24 volt input-110 output, said 5000 w continuous, 20,000 w peak , but blows a fuse on my 1500 w portable ac . lol. 20,000 w peak? funny. but it has been plugged in for 2 years with 220 amp hours /24 volt lead acid batteries and comes one every time the lights go out or i unplug it for test. will keep a bunch of lights on plus the computer, router,cable,box,fridge,big led TV. good enough for $275. i wish i had got the one with 220. mine has a 20 amp fuse also. soooo something funny is going on here.
Was it just me or was it like way more than 100% efficient
The built - in instrument exaggerates the output - in my case by 20%. So you may get an efficiency of 100% when you believe it. Better get an AC clamp meter and measure the output yourself.
My contry is India
Sir pawer envaiter 5000 watt ka 12 volt 220 ac aur put Hume Lena hai kya aap aadar par bhejo denge
Jarur Bayana sir
Do you have old one I need it?
nope, the one in the video was sent back to the supplier, i'll never buy a powerjack again.
Please use your camera better. All the movements, poor focus make it hard to see things.
WOW, I wish the facts could be presented fairly. I can't even power a 5W LED desk lamp without an alarm going off. Maybe the 5 watt desk lamp has a HUGE peak surge as it blows an alarm. I had the unit and been through replacement of part panels to no avail. can't power 5 Watts so how can it be good fro anything else? do not buy these as they are not worth the time or effort.
Too little power the inverter does not sense any load. Try to scale down let say to a 100W inverter?
@@albertwolanski7688 so I need a 100watt inverter for my well pump, welder, and other major power hogs? I can't even power all the lights, microwave and fridge. The system is mis labelled as 220 when it only does 110. Spent $300 to have an electrician validate the wiring and set up. All fine except for a LOS inverter that was false label to begin with.
I had 6000wat the only thing i did was change the fans but i had it for 6 years bo problems
there's a way to connect this inverter to a electric panel, I think is missing the ground cable, and the cables on the L1
L2 are to small, I think they should be at least #6AWG
I would also like to know this!
I was planing on wireing it just as it is to my panel L1, L2 , N and Ground, and hope it doesnt explode. LOL.
Hay brother what happened? by now you must have wired it. Let us know please.
Howard Escoffery
I wired it to the panel using just L1 , N, L2 the inverters ground is grounded to a new ground rod i drove into the earth, i didnt bond it to neutral, everything works great, 220V mini split runs great as well as all other circuits at the same time. Used a Tester on the plugs wand all light up ok.
Hi,
I am considering using the motherboard, which seems to be relatively well designed in the last revision, from that model inverter to build an actual 15kVA inverter with my own MOSFET board and own transformer.
Would you have some details about the interval wiring? I can't seem to find a wiring diagram.
Any information would be helpful.
Thanks
the datasheet for the controller is in the description of my other video, check it out here. th-cam.com/video/qF1Qw_7rz5E/w-d-xo.html
there is a schematic in the data sheet that shows how the mosfets and transformers are connected. I will do more on this in a future video.
9:08 what is that app called? You can monitor Vcc on your PC? :0 and stop accusing me of watching boring stuff.
I need a real 15000w inverter, do you know a brand
Jose Garcia no idea, it looks like for a lithium pack, I need to build my own inverter at this point. There are inverters out there, like outback, or magna, that are very good, but also $$$
Do you REALLY need 15 kW continous? If so you need to combine several inverters. The well known brands can connect several inverters of the same brand together.
I don't think this guy gets that you can do like 300A on 13 awg if the distance is like 10cm.
Sure, you could. But why would you-and for how long ?
Oh, just long enough to set your house on fire maybe.
He is absolutely correct and keeping safety in mind when he states that the wiring / fusing etc. in that inverter is way to small to even begin to support a 15,000 continuous load (even for 5 minutes).
I run our entire home on an 8000 watt radian inverter that has an actual 8000 watt full time capacity, 9000 watt for 30 minutes surge and 16,000 watts surge for 30 seconds. No false advertising involved !
The Radian inverter is rated at 33 amps max @ 240 volts. This is plenty of power for our entire home.
The wiring for the Radian is much heavier than what is shown here in the power Jack inverter.
Power Jack misleads people by stating surge capacity listings as if they are constant duty use ratings.
This is B.S. and false advertising AND MOST DANGEROUS !!!
No More War
What was the purpose of this video? I'm an electrical engineer and I really don't know what you were attempting to do.😵
Revenge on power jack for misrepresentation.
15000 watts is only 7k per phase.
Powerjack is bad bought catching fire might want to mount on fire bord
You sound like my wife ANGRY. Just saying.
IT SAYS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE,BOTTOM, 6000W, 15000 IS PEAK,SO WHY THE FUCK DOES HE KEEP SAYING,, IT WONT GIVE ME THAT,,ITS A 6000W YOU HAVE,FOR FUCK SAKE
pure PowerJunk , the manual is a joke, what 8 pages 2 pages of Asian bikini girls, SMA sunny island is 240 pages of actual detail on setting up, Dangerous unit..
Can you see how many ac outlet attached to the inverter. The simple explanation is, this is like a lamborghini 6500 cc only carry two person. While we want to make the lamborghini carry 40 person like buses. Means this unit shall operate one instrument only which using a higher wattage such as industrial equipment. The chinese is not stupid but we are. They made it such away that we shall buy more if we want to use on more instrument. Instead of proofing fake on not to it purpose, why don't you make the 15kw c/w 130 amp so it can power 10 instrument at once (13 a x 10 inst = 130 a at 1.5kw per instrument) and if to hook up to ncb 300 amp it should be sufficient enough for average home user, provided you had enough dc power source to feed it...Gerard Morin only need 600 volt 12 amphere inverter or power supply to powered whole house with one car battery. Help him if you can you can become millionaire and will be apreciated by million of people.
No More War