I just bought the non BL less expensive one with two 2.5ah batteries for $99 at Lowes. This video answered my questions. I was thinking there would not be a huge difference but if you need speed then the more expensive one may be the way to go. Thank you for testing everything with the same size batteries.
Just picked up the 1351. Lowes had the kit with 2 2.5’s for $99. Figured I’d see what it could do. Really suprised by how it runs. Even though it’s the lower tier impact it’s no slouch by any means. You know I had to come here 1st brother to check it out👌
I just got mine delivered seemed like a good deal even just for the batteries. I was only slightly disappointed but I only needed a stout impact for the house.
I'm enjoying your tool reviews and watching your channel evolve. I'm just beginning to purchase cordless tools and these reviews/comparisons have really been helpful. Keep up the great work!
Great video👍👌👍so far so good with my tools. My turbo hammer drill refused to turn on turbo today lol Maybe I was really hard on it on today's video. Over they seem to be great tools.
Always nice seeing a person put things to scepticle testing. I would have used a speed triangle to mark out where the knots were so as to not subconsciously drill into them. Also maybe have an average of 3 passes per tool and battery combo since no tool performs the same constantly? Maybe mark the wood out so you can fit more holes in it rather than just 1 line down the middle of the plank.
You know Philly, I may have gotten a lemon, but my FX1351.....actually has a left and right place to attach the belt clip/bit holder. I didn't notice it after 3 days later. I check the Hammer drill, turbo hammer drill, and the quick eject impact driver, which only have one hole on the left. There's a DIY hack somewhere where you can add a second lock nut, but the biggest question goes to Flex on why they decided to make this a rightie.
@@PhillyFixed sweet! Please compare the low-torque modes. XGT docs say Soft Mode goes down to 20 Nm. I think that could replace an electric screwdriver for more delicate work. Unsure torque rating of the Flex QE on softest setting. Cheers!
I got the clearance sale for the original flex drill and driver and 2 2amp battiers for only 160 CAD Plus the 5 amp battery separately for 50 CAD and I could not resist because I usually go with dewalt.
the only way that flex wins would be this way! hey Jim how is charging time? some other guys have trouble charging batteries and time or even over heating!!! please do a full video cover about charger. BTW that jet engine noise you got cover was nice!!!
Condolences to your wife on the loss of your car. Please let her know it was for the greater good of tool testing. May she always have good memories of transportation in it 🤓👍
Nice Vid , been waiting for this. The Quick Eject is a Beast , but the Standard model is kind of a letdown , I was expecting more Power from it , it looked slow. Also , if your only drilling 1 hole I can see maybe using an impact if its already out , but a drill is waay faster , my Power Detect hammer drill would do at least 2 holes to 1 , if not more ....👍🍻🖖
I bought the quick connect kit just to test it’s nice but don’t really care for that quick connect feature you have to push the button in or pull the collet out to insert a bit
I conducted the same test after watching this, same test stacks of OSB's and same size of fasteners for fair and even test and the Flex 24V Quick Eject Brushless Impact Driver with a standard 18650 2.5Ah had beaten the Milwaukee gen3 Fuel with a Standard Milwaukee 5.0Ah 18650cell battery. While the basic Flex single speed impact driver had beaten the DeWalt DCF840 with a standard 18650 2.0Ah battery and Makita XDT16Z with Standard Makita 2.0Ah battery both got destroyed by Flex basic impact driver model. I conducted the same test again but with Higher Amp hour battery and my fellow contractor were kind enough to Lend me a much powerful battery packs to go up against the Flex. Flex 24V Quick Eject Brushless Impact Driver powered by Flex 24V 6.0Ah Stack Lithium Ion Pouch cell battery VERSUS Milwaukee gen3 Fuel with 6.0Ah and 8.0Ah High Output 21700 cells. The Milwaukee got destroyed. Then I did the same for the Basic Flex single speed impact driver powered by 3.5Ah Stack Lithium Ion Pouch cell battery vs DeWalt DCF840 with Dewalt's 1.7Ah Power Stack and DeWalt's 4.0Ah compact 20V 21700 cells and Makita XDT16Z with 6.0Ah battery. Both DeWalt and Makita got Destroyed. I can show the video but I'm not on TH-cam I'm on Rumble and Bitchute
Nice comparison video. I was just playing around with the hammer drill replicating man caver’s test with PT and PSL using the speedbor blade bit and I have to disagree with his results. The Flex hammer drill just drilled through them like nothing. I was doing it without the handle and turbo mode. Edit: unfortunately, it failed. Very disappointed because I was really looking for a hammer drill that was nearly perfect, but I guess I will keep looking. Will stick with the Milwaukee. When I hit turbo, the flex hammer drill just gives a blinking green light
@@PhillyFixed I am simply trying to share my experience with everyone. I can’t find any information on the maximum rpm for that Irwin speedbor (they also have speedbor paddle bits). The only way I was able to drill at max speed was using a high output battery that uses 21700 cells on the Milwaukee.
@@PhillyFixed I think it has to do with preventing the battery from overheating. I wasn’t able to do it with a 5.0 and 3.0 HO with the Milwaukee. It had to be 6.0 and above, so imo it’s possibly the way they set their electronics. Once it reaches a certain threshold it automatically shuts itself. Man, this is not my area of expertise.
If you are only going to use one spade bit for all testing, I would do all testing in the lower end tool to give it any benefit (2nd round of holes with the 5). With only 4 holes, probably no measurable difference though
@Philly Fixed. So you had to get creative to pay for that piece of OSB? So your wife asks "Where's the car?" at @02:50. I even caught your lower lip trembling @02:52. Hope the final cost wasn't too painful? Sleeping in the garage? Ah Brother Jim. I also am not a barbarian. A drill is for drilling and a impact driver is used for driving screws (unless I need a clutch to prevent stripping out screws). Keeping you and your family in my daily prayers.
Once Flex releases the 21,700 cell batteries they will be very hard to beat. I’m really surprised they chose to do their initial launch with the 18,650 cells.
The XDT13 has no mode selection, but I do have it and will put it up against the standard-level Flex. XDT16 is the 4-mode one to go against the quick eject! And I may or may not be able to throw something with 40 volts in the mix.....
@@PhillyFixed brilliant sounds good a lot of people will want see that 1 brillant yeah thiers a xdt13 model with 4 speed aswell dtd154 in the uk market mode selections on thanks love see how the makita goes against the flex😁👌👌👌👍👍
I find I have more control with an impact. With a self feed bit, not pushing as hard to fall off a ladder when the bit goes through. one time I was in an attic ( laying on my stomach head in roof nails ) drilling a top cap and using a regular drill, and it got in a bind, and SMASHED my hand into the other lumber around it . I said never again
Considering the M18 Surge only has about 430in-lb, that's not a big feat. The main selling point of the Surge is how quiet it is. That's why I bought mine, knowing I was sacrificing a lot of torque to not kill my ears when I'm using it inside (which is where I tend to use it the most).
That’s not how that works. Most of the materials, silicon, and tooling costs are probably identical and that’s going to be the bulk of the price along with the batteries which are the most expensive part of the kit in either case, and since neither is available a le carte or in the exact same battery config (the lower end comes with a bag and (2) 2.5 AH batteries and the higher end comes in a hard case with (1) 2.5 AH battery and (1) 5 AH battery) it’s hard to get an apples to apples comparison of the raw cost of just the tools without the value proposition of the case and bigger battery. It might be the case that the lower end one should be cheaper than it is, but not by much. It’s still a very nice tool.
Well the recip is their high end (and only) model. But 2.5aH is too small to get the best out of it. I'd like to see that kit with a 5.0 and a 2.5 at that price point. Then you're basically getting the impact, drill and small battery for $150.
surprised the flex won
🤣
Underrated. lol
What? No, the flex lost. Did we even watch the same video?!
That was surprisingly different performance between the two. Great video. Will be interesting to see the head to head with the other brands!
I just bought the non BL less expensive one with two 2.5ah batteries for $99 at Lowes. This video answered my questions. I was thinking there would not be a huge difference but if you need speed then the more expensive one may be the way to go. Thank you for testing everything with the same size batteries.
Thank you!!! This is what i just wanted to see and you are the only one that made it. Very good fine Sir!
That BL looks like a monster!
I like it! But, we will see how the others stack up. Regardless, it's a decent tool!
Thanks for seriously covering Flex Tools.
Just picked up the 1351. Lowes had the kit with 2 2.5’s for $99. Figured I’d see what it could do. Really suprised by how it runs. Even though it’s the lower tier impact it’s no slouch by any means. You know I had to come here 1st brother to check it out👌
I just got mine delivered seemed like a good deal even just for the batteries. I was only slightly disappointed but I only needed a stout impact for the house.
Nice job on the video! Have a great tool day!
Love this Channel!
Another great review of both tools👍🏾
I'm enjoying your tool reviews and watching your channel evolve. I'm just beginning to purchase cordless tools and these reviews/comparisons have really been helpful. Keep up the great work!
I'm glad you find them helpful, thanks for watching!
Great video👍👌👍so far so good with my tools. My turbo hammer drill refused to turn on turbo today lol Maybe I was really hard on it on today's video. Over they seem to be great tools.
I think someone else made that comment here? Same issue... EDIT: it was @TheToolGameChanger
Always nice seeing a person put things to scepticle testing.
I would have used a speed triangle to mark out where the knots were so as to not subconsciously drill into them. Also maybe have an average of 3 passes per tool and battery combo since no tool performs the same constantly? Maybe mark the wood out so you can fit more holes in it rather than just 1 line down the middle of the plank.
You know Philly, I may have gotten a lemon, but my FX1351.....actually has a left and right place to attach the belt clip/bit holder. I didn't notice it after 3 days later. I check the Hammer drill, turbo hammer drill, and the quick eject impact driver, which only have one hole on the left. There's a DIY hack somewhere where you can add a second lock nut, but the biggest question goes to Flex on why they decided to make this a rightie.
They do sell the batteries and charger separately but you are correct I don't see tool only
Lmfao at where's the car lmfao 🤣😂 @2:38 @Philly Fixed
Lol the intro, baller man. Flex on them Flexers!
Would love to see the 40v XGT Impact against the Flex QuickE!
Awesome vid, Jim.
You may get your wish... 😉
@@PhillyFixed sweet! Please compare the low-torque modes.
XGT docs say Soft Mode goes down to 20 Nm. I think that could replace an electric screwdriver for more delicate work. Unsure torque rating of the Flex QE on softest setting.
Cheers!
Nice job Jim...but I'm gonna start calling you Philly Flexed from now on lol!
Haha, lots to cover with the new tools. Non-Flex video coming Tuesday!
😂🤣😂🤣😂
Flexing with philly lol
Good video @Philly Fixed
Wow, check out the new banner. Cap'n slick!
I got the clearance sale for the original flex drill and driver and 2 2amp battiers for only 160 CAD Plus the 5 amp battery separately for 50 CAD and I could not resist because I usually go with dewalt.
the only way that flex wins would be this way! hey Jim how is charging time? some other guys have trouble charging batteries and time or even over heating!!!
please do a full video cover about charger. BTW that jet engine noise you got cover was nice!!!
Will do!
That intro is dope
Like this guy's style of testing subbed
Thanks!
@@PhillyFixed no problem keep it up man. I should be saying thanks to you
Sweet Intro!!
Pallets are also a good source of scrap wood.
thanks for the video review
Condolences to your wife on the loss of your car. Please let her know it was for the greater good of tool testing. May she always have good memories of transportation in it 🤓👍
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Nice Vid , been waiting for this. The Quick Eject is a Beast , but the Standard model is kind of a letdown , I was expecting more Power from it , it looked slow. Also , if your only drilling 1 hole I can see maybe using an impact if its already out , but a drill is waay faster , my Power Detect hammer drill would do at least 2 holes to 1 , if not more ....👍🍻🖖
I bought the quick connect kit just to test it’s nice but don’t really care for that quick connect feature you have to push the button in or pull the collet out to insert a bit
I conducted the same test after watching this, same test stacks of OSB's and same size of fasteners for fair and even test and the Flex 24V Quick Eject Brushless Impact Driver with a standard 18650 2.5Ah had beaten the Milwaukee gen3 Fuel with a Standard Milwaukee 5.0Ah 18650cell battery. While the basic Flex single speed impact driver had beaten the DeWalt DCF840 with a standard 18650 2.0Ah battery and Makita XDT16Z with Standard Makita 2.0Ah battery both got destroyed by Flex basic impact driver model. I conducted the same test again but with Higher Amp hour battery and my fellow contractor were kind enough to Lend me a much powerful battery packs to go up against the Flex.
Flex 24V Quick Eject Brushless Impact Driver powered by Flex 24V 6.0Ah Stack Lithium Ion Pouch cell battery VERSUS Milwaukee gen3 Fuel with 6.0Ah and 8.0Ah High Output 21700 cells. The Milwaukee got destroyed.
Then I did the same for the Basic Flex single speed impact driver powered by 3.5Ah Stack Lithium Ion Pouch cell battery vs DeWalt DCF840 with Dewalt's 1.7Ah Power Stack and DeWalt's 4.0Ah compact 20V 21700 cells and Makita XDT16Z with 6.0Ah battery. Both DeWalt and Makita got Destroyed. I can show the video but I'm not on TH-cam I'm on Rumble and Bitchute
Nice comparison video. I was just playing around with the hammer drill replicating man caver’s test with PT and PSL using the speedbor blade bit and I have to disagree with his results. The
Flex hammer drill just drilled through them like nothing. I was doing it without the handle and turbo mode. Edit: unfortunately, it failed. Very disappointed because I was really looking for a hammer drill that was nearly perfect, but I guess I will keep looking. Will stick with the Milwaukee. When I hit turbo, the flex hammer drill just gives a blinking green light
@Toolhead 147 says he has the same issue! My turbo arrives Wednesday. The combo with the quick eject was out of stock, had to order separately.
@@PhillyFixed I am simply trying to share my experience with everyone. I can’t find any information on the maximum rpm for that Irwin speedbor (they also have speedbor paddle bits). The only way I was able to drill at max speed was using a high output battery that uses 21700 cells on the Milwaukee.
@@ProxyFinal We'll see how mine fares, but it sounds like some possible QC issues on these early models.
@@PhillyFixed I think it has to do with preventing the battery from overheating. I wasn’t able to do it with a 5.0 and 3.0 HO with the Milwaukee. It had to be 6.0 and above, so imo it’s possibly the way they set their electronics. Once it reaches a certain threshold it automatically shuts itself. Man, this is not my area of expertise.
Us electricians always use impacts to drill holes in tight spaces. 👍🏼👍🏼
Will the m18 FUEL 2853-20 be featured in future comparisons?
Yessir! I forgot to mention it at the end.
If you are only going to use one spade bit for all testing, I would do all testing in the lower end tool to give it any benefit (2nd round of holes with the 5).
With only 4 holes, probably no measurable difference though
@Philly Fixed. So you had to get creative to pay for that piece of OSB? So your wife asks "Where's the car?" at @02:50. I even caught your lower lip trembling @02:52. Hope the final cost wasn't too painful? Sleeping in the garage?
Ah Brother Jim. I also am not a barbarian. A drill is for drilling and a impact driver is used for driving screws (unless I need a clutch to prevent stripping out screws).
Keeping you and your family in my daily prayers.
LOL, the true story is... that OSB was in my attic when I bought the house. No actual financial hardship buying wood..... just the tools!
Can you do one with high torque flex rench
Unfortunately I don't have that tool, but I recommend checking out Torque Test Channel - th-cam.com/video/oMc_n9Z3Q8g/w-d-xo.html
Great video
Ohh💪 did you hit the Turbo button!!!
No "turbo" on the impact, just the drill!
@@PhillyFixed . Yes, would have loved to see you switch to turbo.
I'm wondering if they can make that same power on a more compact battery design
I hope they choose to release compact batteries with 27100 cells, similar to the Milwaukee CP3.0 or the Kobalt Ultimate Output 4.0!
Yes, in the mean time I'm still sticking to m12 and infinium, flex doesn't have automotive in mind sadly for me x,x
what models are you
Flex drill powered car soon?
They're trying to get various states to legalize green tail lights and turn signals...
Rich Builds made their euro trike car Milwaukee fuel battery powered. Might want to check that out.
@@elasticmachinery Nice! @vuaeco has a couple of go-karts that are Kobalt battery-powered
You're my boy blue!!!
Hello,
What is the electric frequency on the charger ? 50 or 60 hertz?
The one I have is for the US market, so 60Hz.
@@PhillyFixed thank you for replying. 😁
hope you upgrade the camera mate! it holding you back i believe.
It was my lighting, check out the more recent videos. Gradual improvements...
can you manually remove bit or tip from bl model or is it button only.
You can manually pull the collet out 👍
The fx137 is the new king of impacts
Time will tell!
DUDE Where’s my car!
Once Flex releases the 21,700 cell batteries they will be very hard to beat. I’m really surprised they chose to do their initial launch with the 18,650 cells.
@@wadelujan8714 Awesome... I’ve not seen any videos with the 8 amp or 12 amp batteries.
@@S_and_S_Farms VCG has them over on their channel
Somehow Milwaukee would still win the Flex VS Flex battle at VCG
😅
Need head to head with makita xdt13 or the 4 speen version forgot the model thats makita entry level impact against the flex ones philly 😁👋👌
The XDT13 has no mode selection, but I do have it and will put it up against the standard-level Flex. XDT16 is the 4-mode one to go against the quick eject! And I may or may not be able to throw something with 40 volts in the mix.....
@@PhillyFixed brilliant sounds good a lot of people will want see that 1 brillant yeah thiers a xdt13 model with 4 speed aswell dtd154 in the uk market mode selections on thanks love see how the makita goes against the flex😁👌👌👌👍👍
The quick eject model defenitly way faster then the standard model from flex
I think most of us who drill with Impact drivers do it because we prefer knowing that we aren't running the chance of our arm being twisted off 🤣.
That's like this dudes 1000 daller Deck that was 2by 2. Foot
lol I guess im a barbarian thx for the vid
Haha, do what you gotta do!
I find I have more control with an impact. With a self feed bit, not pushing as hard to fall off a ladder when the bit goes through. one time I was in an attic ( laying on my stomach head in roof nails ) drilling a top cap and using a regular drill, and it got in a bind, and SMASHED my hand into the other lumber around it . I said never again
1351.1371How much torque is there！
Mid-tier is 1800 in-lbs. Quick Eject is 2500 in-lbs
I'd have to say these tools are definitely on the same tier as mainstream pro grade. Standard flex smoked my milwaukee serge with a 4.0 battery.
Considering the M18 Surge only has about 430in-lb, that's not a big feat. The main selling point of the Surge is how quiet it is. That's why I bought mine, knowing I was sacrificing a lot of torque to not kill my ears when I'm using it inside (which is where I tend to use it the most).
Yeah... you don’t buy a Surge for Max performance, you get it for reduction in noise levels. Not surprised that your FLEX beat it.
The lesser model is half the speed. It should prolly be half the price.
That’s not how that works. Most of the materials, silicon, and tooling costs are probably identical and that’s going to be the bulk of the price along with the batteries which are the most expensive part of the kit in either case, and since neither is available a le carte or in the exact same battery config (the lower end comes with a bag and (2) 2.5 AH batteries and the higher end comes in a hard case with (1) 2.5 AH battery and (1) 5 AH battery) it’s hard to get an apples to apples comparison of the raw cost of just the tools without the value proposition of the case and bigger battery. It might be the case that the lower end one should be cheaper than it is, but not by much. It’s still a very nice tool.
Philly Flex! 🤣😂🤣
@13:17 - proceeds to yell a tirade of profanity off-camera as the spade bit will not eject.
🤣
Philly Flexed
Where's the car?😂🤣
399 for entry level 👎
Well the recip is their high end (and only) model. But 2.5aH is too small to get the best out of it. I'd like to see that kit with a 5.0 and a 2.5 at that price point. Then you're basically getting the impact, drill and small battery for $150.
Flex beat flex lol 🤣😆
That's funny lol