Windows XP Gaming Monitor Doesn't Disappoint
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2024
- I picked up this Viewsonic VX724 while getting parts for my 20th Anniversary Windows XP build as a consolation for not being able to find the monitor I originally wanted until the last minute. But giving it a shot here...it's surprising in a number of ways. Including, as far as I can tell, being the first monitor geared towards gamers with its extremely quick response times!
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I remember selling those back in the day. One sale in particular I remember is an old bloke was adamant he HAD to have it over any other monitor on the display. I thought 'oh cool, his old guy is a gamer'. Nope, he was a birdwatcher and loved the birds on the box.
I can relate
Wholesome
aw thats wholesome
Back when I was in computer sales, we sold tons of Viewsonic monitors. Because of that, we had a Viewsonic sales rep, and at some point the rep gave us a teddy bear of the Viewsonic birds.
One day, a guy came into the store wanting to buy like 5 or 6 monitors, and I'm pretty sure it was this exact monitor that I convinced him to buy. But as I was closing the sale, the guy was adamant that the only way I was gonna close the sale was if he could get one of those teddy bear Viewsonic birds. So I called up our rep, to see if he could help me out to close this sale. He just chuckled, saying that was the first time someone had requested that to close the sale (usually it was always cheaper pricing he'd get called about). A short time later, our rep came in with the birds, and the sale was closed.
People really did just seem to love those birds. People would buy a Viewsonic monitor over a Samsung or BenQ just so they could look at those birds on their monitor.
@@rustybobdotca Look man, those birds have a certian charm to them. I don't blame people for wanting the b i r d s.
I think that dark blue bezel with the silver makes it match the keyboard, speakers, and mouse a lot more than the other monitor. It really brings it all together.
So not sure about this one, but my copy is black and silver....
Can confirm, the Dell monitors from 2004 were excellent.
Still wouldn't have bought one over a nice CRT.
But confession: I never bought either and dumped that money into the PC instead.
Rocked the 17 inch 1280x1024 standard CRT for a very, very long time.
I bought a VX724 new back in the days. Still in use today(as secondary monitor). Superb quality monitor. Only thing that breaks is the on button 😂
That reminds me of when I had a HP F1503 monitor that had a broken power button, I couldn't fix it at the time, so I instead just used Monoff (I was using Windows XP at the time) to stop the GPU from outputting through the VGA port until I moved the mouse.
Easy repair!
Yeah mine has something weird with the menu button iirc.
I had the VX724 or another one with the same chassis but the caps on mine called quits. I had to lower the brightness at least at medium setting and avoid at all costs any white screens or it would shut off. As long as those pixels didn't demand too much energy it would work fine.
The backlight failed on mine after 4 years.
One thing i noticed about all of these used LCDs from mid 00s is how “warm”/yellow-tinted their image is. I had a couple of 22 inch Eizos and ViewSonics, really quite high end displays of their days, and they all had this issue. I can somewhat see the same with your Samsung. Could it be the CCFL backlight getting tired? At any rate, a brand new LCD like this is a really nice find.
I have a ThinkPad R52 with a yellowed backlight on its internal display, and when it began yellowing, it started from the outer edges and worked its way in over time. That could provide a clue as to what might have happened.
small tip you can convert the background lighting from CCFL to LED, kits are available cheap. on ebay. For monitors a bit complicated to convert, for laptops there are more expensive and special kits but there the exchange is much easier. I did this on my X200t with AFFS display and it was worth it, after that the display took on an X230t IPS panel and beat it in some points.
The yellowing comes from aging CCFL fluorescent tubes.
Might be - CCFLs do fade to yellow. But - it might also be that you're used to LED backlighting which often has a very high color temperature for efficiency reasons.
Your eyes get used to this - so a nominal 5500K CCFL backlight will look extremely yellow compared to a native, uncalibrated LED backlight that may be around 7500K colour temperature or even more.
@@laurens4359 You're right of course, but the CFFL were at their end, it was also noticed in the temperature development and visually also when removing clear signs of the CCFL itself. LEDs have the problem that they usually have a high blue component
its phosphor uv degradation, shifts warm
Dude, it is so cool to see this video. My first monitor that wasn’t a CRT was the 19” VX924. Had many headshots with that bad boy.
The 3 little Viewsonic birds brings back memories of when I worked in an office. Everybody wanted a Viewsonic monitor because of the cute birds :-)
Classy design! Wouldn't even look out of place in a modern setup as a secondary screen
Back when I was working in computer sales back in the mid 2000s, I sold crap tons of this monitor. When we would have one of these on display, it did seem to have a better picture than the other monitors we had. The response time did seem to be noticeably better, but your red and tan demo there really shows the difference. I never knew that it was a 75Hz panel though. I never owned one though, and never really got to screw around with it too much while it was on display. This video definitely helped to explain exactly why it was so popular back in the day.
In 2003, my roommate in college had an LCD, and I remember specifically seeing horrific ghosting, that he, weirdly, was unable to see. But he wasn't much of a gamer. I was a late LCD adopter because of how bad the ghosting on his LCD monitor is. I didn't realize you could actually find a good LCD back then.
Just bought a vx924. Just bought some capacitors as some were failing/bulging. Excited to try it out on my next retro pc build.
Omg, how did I know why you bring out the 3D display lol. I used one of those for my primary display for years, was the cheapest and best looking display with component when I got it for $100. Yeah the smearing is abysmal, literally noticed it the instant I started scrolling text and more so when playing games and I was coming from a >1080p VGA only LCD monitor from 2008 or so. The Minecraft test was almost nostalgic in a way, even after having stopped using it daily for lighter 1080p displays, I still expect that red on light colors to smear like redstone on sand. Got a much better display eventually that's far more accurate and bright, but what a memorable look
It uses a VA panel in case you were curious, which are generally cheaper than IPS but much prettier than TN still. And yeah, very very common problem on VA which is why you still only see them in very cheap displays. Only mildly fixed by high refresh rates
Not surprised it worked out of the box. We have two very old ViewSonic LCDs here that have been in service for many years and still going strong, a VG2030wm made July 24, 2008 and an even older VX2235wm that I can't find a date on, but which had to be made in 2006-07.
Fun Fact, you can still set your refresh rate in the same way in Windows 10.
There is also an easier options in the win10 settings.
My AOC Gaming monitor can also "overshoot", but you can control how much or if it does it in the settings.
I have the overdrive set to medium and that provides a good balance between artifacts and response time, because the panel is a somewhat slow VA panel.
i have a 19inch barely used and boxed model like this (vx924) with all the accessories, for the short time it worked it was an amazing display and looks absolutely amazing despite the blacks being a bit off due to the backlight bleed known on these monitors. It needs a recap after about a year of use in my xp gaming setup unfortunately. I'd consider a recap although others have said theirs have been running reliably for years, you never know and this monitor does get very hot.
I had that monitor back in the day, or another Viewsonic just like it. I think it was the very first LCD I bought, after hanging onto a CRT monitor until it died. It really was a big upgrade over prior LCD panels in terms of pixel response. But I remember the monitor would overshoot colors when making big transitions, like that red-to-tan example of yours. It wasn't distracting or anything, but it was definitely noticeable, especially with text. I have an AOC 4k monitor these days, and it basically does the same thing when its gaming mode is cranked up fully. But it lets you pick between three gaming modes, the middle of which strikes a good balance between latency and image quality.
Would be nice to see the color correction after installing that included driver disk, viewsonic hide their icc profiles inside
I must guess that it still doesn't look nearly as good as a CRT on a dark room.
Do not fall for the CRT meme lol, cant wait to flip my 2070sbs to some retard who's willing to overpay.
Late 2000s pro grade LCDs will eternally be superior to any CRT.
I find it interesting that my modern ViewSonic monitor still has clearly the same design of stand, but subtly updated to match modern designs.
15:25 This is actually very common, it's the same reason modern LCDs can market 1ms response time when realistically they can't do less than 4, maybe 3 without excessive ghosting. This one seems like a case where it's very well tuned so the ghosting isn't excessive, given you only noticed it in the slow mo footage.
Apple cinema display from 2004. Forget color accuracy and response, moving from a 17 or 19 inch screen to a 30 inch was absolutely mind blowing.
yknow with the black and silver keyboard mouse speakers and gamepad thing, its honestly a better match imo.
Wow someone else has an ANTEC Lanboy! I love mine. Bought it when I was young and held on to it.
Holy crap, these were leaps and bounds better than the first TFT that I purchased around that time (some LG) I still use my 19" ViewSonic VX922! Still looking great (had to replace the controller board) but not the CFL, the only downside is it is just 1280x1024!
Holy nostalgia! I had the VX922 as well. It was a banger of an LCD back in the day.
Overdrive is an extremely common tech in gaming monitors. Without overdrive, LCD monitors have around 20-25ms response.
Of course good monitors try very hard to avoid overshoot. Not all manage.
I have one of those and after a few years, it would suddenly shut itself off for no reason. Well, the reason turned out to be bad caps. I ended up having to replace all the electrolytic capacitors. It was worth it, but yeah, watch out for that.
Viewsonic is still one of the best high refresh rate gaming monitors I love them so much
This guy gives off heavy MetalJesusRocks vibes. Even the voice too lol. Great video man 👍🏽
I have a VX2025wm i bought brand new in 2005, still have it but the lcd panel is dying, edge become darker, lcd delaminating issue i suppose, before that, what a fantastic monitor! So be aware that used lcd monitor can be very tired...
Wow, happy that you could get the VX724, I remember the days when this monitor was new and I always wanted one, but I was unable to afford one, great video
oh the legendary vx724, I had two of them and I loved them
3:35 - it’s funny that that Sony CRT monitor is now highly sought after (as seen on Digital Foundry and elsewhere).
Everytime I see your Super Lanboy it reminds me of the Lanboy case I still have. I have had it from new and used it for a long time, although I rebuilt the pc and gave it to my son to use a few years ago. I'll probably end up swapping him a new case someday to get it back :)
I'm assuming you bought this from that guy on eBay that has 21 of these things new but refuses to lower the price of the monitor or the radically high shipping, despite not being able to sell ANY of them. That listing has been up for a really long time, like 2 years iirc, and he's only sold 3 out of 24. He wouldn't respond to my messages asking why the shipping was so high on it when a box like that might only cost like $30 to ship maximum. I was looking at that listing a while ago.
It's a really, really sad time to be into retro computers. All this stuff costs so much money now.
That overshoot is still how they achieve fast response times if I am not mistaken.
Saw some of those Creative speakers on fb marketplace. I'm way tempted to get em for my CRT setup, what an amazing design. Been looking at a bunch of old computer speakers and it's bringing back tons of memories
I think it suits your setup pretty well, helps tie the black peripherals in with the silver case.
Personally, I might've been tempted by this back in the day. If I didn't already have a 19" Trinitron.
I do remember reading about how the LCD manufacturers managed to cheat those pixel response times, but I've never seen it in action before. At least not directly. I've seen how some lesser quality LCDs have weird smudged motion, which is what this ends up looking like if it's done badly. So it's interesting to see the actual pixels overshooting while switching colours.
What camera are you using? Looks great.
This is a Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4k. The real thing about it is that it shoots in log RAW which allows me a tremendous amount of flexibility when color grading the video. I wouldn't be surprised if I spent as much time on the color for this video as I did the actual editing.
It used to be that black-to-white transitions were the fastest, because of the high voltage swing. Grey-to-grey timings would be significantly worse. Once this was widely known, and benchmarks and advertisements regularly quoted grey-to-grey numbers, basically every display implemented the kind of overdriving for transitions that you observed here. Now it's just the normal way for displays to work.
13:30 you can clearly see the samsung smearing, especially with the trees going by. The viewsonic is clearly the better display. I use to sell these displays back in the day and they were not cheap but worth it!
I own an ACER v193 and it brags to have a 2000:1 contrast ratio. I've been using it for a long time and it's one of the best looking 5:4 monitors from 2005 I have used. It's worth a look for anyone interested in great picture quality with good contrast. It's good for gaming.
Nothing like 1080p gaming at 90hz on a CRT back in 2005.
Took LCD's a long ass time to catch up.
I have that same creative set, but the 5.1 channel series. The SB Live card is long dead but the surround set still runs strong and is hooked up to my workstation!
I daily drove the VX724 for about 6 years. For about 3 years I paired it with a Dell UltraScan P991 CRT and then eventually got a second one to replace the CRT because I preferred the LCD. The power board failed in one of them and at that point I got an IPS display, and then immediately got a second IPS display because having IPS and TN side by side really reveals how bad TN is. I did notice the over drive when I first got the display since it's visible in text editors when the cursor flashes, didn't know what it was at the time but got used to it after a few months. Anyhow ignoring the complete power board failure, they aged fine. Just normal back light aging.
Awesome video! I have a similar viewsonic monitor but it needs new caps.
I have a VX922 (advertised with 1ms response) that has bad caps that i never shipped out for warranty, making me want to dig it out and fix it. It was my LAN party display for Counter Strike source tournaments. =)
In 2004, i bought an EIZO L550. Advertised response time is 16ms but it felt good to me, i played UT2004 and whatnot on it, S4League, whatever, felt EXCELLENT. It definitely felt faster than cheaper monitors with the nominally same spec for some reason no idea why? Might just be the consistency. The kickout stand leg failed and a replacement was rigged up, but otherwise it's still holding up, someone in the family is using it to this day. The fade is tolerable as well. I have no clue how the electronics and lighting in it is THIS resilient.
I should rig up some sort of latency measuring device and run it against all the other displays i have at hand, including an actual modern gaming monitor.
I bought a VX922 19" back in the day. I still have it in the box but, It only lasted a year before I had to send it back to get refurbished.... I think it was a power supply issue.
A lot of retro gamers want a crt monitor but one thing that is kind of disappointing about the old days is that you did not have crts and other pc parts like keyboards and mice that where designed with video games in mind that only became a thing in the 2000s.
Because in the 90s and 80s gaming was seen as childish and they assumed most gamers where young kids who prefer consoles and putting the word game on the box would care off professional users that where all still born before 1960 back then.
Also I don't think CRTs needed any "gaming" label to be good, they inherently have ultra-low response times, no motion blur etc. Basically by buying a CRT you were getting the best gaming monitor for all games, unlike LCDs which are crap unless you buy a modern gaming one.
The 'over volting' the pixels is usually referred to as overdrive. I don't *think* it overvolts the pixels, I'm pretty sure it just briefly sends the opposite colour of what just left (so, when it goes from red to tan, it'll briefly turn cyan for a split second to get the pixel to change faster). Lots of modern LCDs have the option to do this in the menus somewhere. I personally don't care for it in most cases 'cause it can make ghosting look really strange. It really depends on the implementation though! Another good in game test in Minecraft is to put a torch on a stone wall and move back and forth. Watch the flame, on my Dell and Acer monitors I see ghostly blue flames trailing it with overdrive turned on.
I still have a 17" monitor my parents bought for me in 2006 (back then i knew nothing about computers) and used it on the VGA port it's whole life when it was a main monitor.Only a few months i discovered it has 8ms and can do 75hz but only if i use it with the DVI port :/ better late than never i guess
My monitor is a 22 inch viewsonic touchscreen 1080p monitor it’s been solid to me
i had that viewsonic for years as my gaming monitor!!! it was a fantastic screen, and good for colour also.
In 2004 when my 5 year old Scott CRT (a cheap german brand that didn't last very long) started to get blurry when warming up I read some tests and mostly the 172x came out on top. In one test there was a Sony with slightly better results but it was 600€ to 400€ for tge Samsung, so i bought this and used it fo 8 years as a main display and 4 more as secondary. Sadly it started to show its age. When using it all alone it wasn't obvious but next to a way newer monitor you could see how yellow the plastics in the panel had become. But I loved it until the end.
I still have a HP 17" fat LCD. Looks better than some modern ones.
My first LCD was a similar one, the Viewsonic VX912. Still have it 😀
Well tuned overdrive is so good when it's done right. I wonder if this one has backlight strobing. I have a newer samsung TN that strobes to control brightness but it also helps the motion blur a bunch
Does anyone remember the Hercules Prophet View 720 that had a 20ms response time but it was beating monitors several years later. Even monitors with a 12ms response time were much slower. Never had one but I feel like it's been lost to time.
My dayjob has a used qx6800 extreme chip in a system. I don't need it but it would be awesome since those chips are collectable.
i always wondered why older veiwsonic monitors called VGA D-SUB
I owned one of these when it first came out, then upgraded to the widescreen 1680 x 1050 version
Lol Lian Li Super Lan Boy case. I had one. Best airflow case back when. But we broke the dumb door off the top part because fuck doors.
what is that keyboad looking mouse you have on the left side of your keyboard
Ha! I had two of these back in the day and I thought I was on top of the world.
weird question, i'm younger haha. did you have to turn the computer off to plug in a monitor?
My guess is they did have 3.5ms response and brought it down to 3.4 or 3.3….
You should do a video on the Mandela Effect sometime. More important than anything to do with computers 👍
Did it come with a magnifying glass
I love my viewsonic xg240x I never want to use another brand again 😂
dont get me wrong i love using hardware from the correct era for the build you are doing but for my xp machine i ended up going for a Dell 2007FP from 2011. it has VGA , DVI x 1, S-Video, and Composite inputs a factory soundbar and is 4:3 TFT panel and with XP games and 98 games you just cant beat it picture quality wise the only let down is 16ms response.
I bought one of the first consumer DVI LCD I remember at the time it was Hugh deal to have an all digital display... long story short it tore image horribly
Can you recommend, from your research, the best 19+" 4x3 LCD for retro gaming? I'm used to a 21" CRT but it's getting dim with time.
EIZO CG210, and newer models S2100 and S2133. I have the first, and it's great. These models do pixel-perfect scaling from 800x600 to 1600x1200. For lower resolutions, 1600x1200 is so hi-res that they look sharp anyway. The S2100 has a TN panel, while the other two are IPS, and they have true 8-bpc color depth ("10-bit internal"). Just great monitors really.
@@djdjukic That's really helpful, thanks!! What does the CG210 do if you send it a signal above 60hz refresh rate? Can it overclock at all, or does it take the signal but stick to 60hz, or does it go blank and refuse to produce any picture?
@@angieandretti So I did a bunch of tests and, long story short, it's not good for 70Hz. It syncs to just about everything but it frameskips or undersamples.
Long version: Over DVI, it properly syncs up to 1600x1200@62, maybe even a bit higher, but definitely frameskips at 1600x1200@70Hz. In that same mode, over VGA, it does a funny kind of frame sampling, motion looks interlaced but with vertical lines instead of horizontal. It seemed to behave the same at other resolutions so I thought, let's try 640x400@70Hz, maybe that's a special case. I wasn't able to test that mode properly in Windows so I tried Pinball Dreams in DOS. Already on the credits scroll you can see a judder, especially compared to the silky smooth motion of a CRT. I wouldn't nearly call it unusable, but definitely not a perfect experience.
So yeah, this monitor is good for late 90s 800x600 Windows 98 gaming, and some early 2000s titles at 1600x1200, but not so much for DOS games.
va matrix in minecraft is so .. so .. so .. good ;p
TIL none of my monitors pass the red line tan background test :(
Nice video,
But what about Nova Computer ?
Any news?
I actually perceived the 12ms TFTs in 2003 as 'gaming-monitors'. Any TFT that had milliseconds printed on the box was, in my memory, targeted towards gamers. I actually bought a 15" Benq TFT with 12ms for lan-parties around 2003 and was very happy about it. That was much easier to carry than the 19" Sony Trinitron monster i used at home. It was a real shame that the Trinitron kinda blew up and i bought an EIZO 19" TFT replacement. I still had a fine pitch 17" LG StudioWorks CRT that could do over 160hz for 3D shutter glasses and a well used blurry 15" Belinea CRT as Lanparty-fallback.
The BenQ you are mentioning I could actually see being another contender for first. The design of the BenQ FP783 is weird enough that it was definitely targeted at gamers. I honestly wasn't sure if that model was actually released though because there is so little info out there about it. They had a less gamery 12ms monitor as well, FP767-12, that was definitely launched but I don't think was as targeted towards gamers.
After reading a bunch of reviews from gaming magazines during this time, my takeaway on the batch of 12ms monitors leading up to this one was more gamers noticing that LCDs where starting to get fast enough to be "acceptable" for games. 12ms is only 4ms off of taking a whole 60Hz frame to actually change the pixels so if some monitors were rated more optimistically you could likely still encounter a lot of blurring. The VX724 here though is without question ready for gaming and it is very noticeable when experiencing it with a 12ms panel side by side.
@@TechTangents I completely second the notion that the ViewSonic was most likely the first truly usable TFT for competitive FPS that came close to the CRT in terms of response time. It is most likely the first "gamer focused" design from the concept phase to the actual product. As you have pointed out: the design of the case/shell is part of that, the only thing missing is blue ambient LEDs. The fight for faster response time may have started earlier but i see your reasoning to choose the ViewSonic for your setup. The 2000s were a time when professional gamers began to get international recognition and i can see the interest companies had to tap into that market. In that sense the ViewSonic is a hand tweaked design specifically catering to that market. The last minute 4ms to 3ms optimization before it hit the market is testament to that.
*I just realized: The ViewSonic logo is more dominant on the back than on the front. It is meant to be viewed from the back... perfect advertising on lan parties or broadcasts. This falls perfectly into the professional gamer category where you have to film the monitor if you want a frontal of gamers face. The logo is even tilted slightly upwards for the perfect camera angle.*
Amazing! Viewsonic it's de king 😎
Now that’s what I call GAMING
when he shot the foot and blew up lmao
put the viewsonic's panel inside the samsung :)
2005.... the same year as my car, and CRT monitors were still in vogue!? Damn maybe its time to upgrade...
Is it brighter than my neo G7?
dude where did u get that hat???? i want one!!!
Ah, windows XP... back when you could run games, without a bunch of bloatware background processes leeching resources.
the horrible "launcher" bloatware
@@JPX64Channel Im more talking about all the ads, games, apps, whatever that windows 10 and 11 FORCE you to have, and can't uninstall. xD
the first gaming monitor was CRT
Dude!
You know what's funny?
I usually watch TH-cam on a certain monitor, so, for the ultimate irony, I just saw this video on . . .
The Sony PlayStation 3D Display!
It's a good thing they're releasing that inZone M9 later this year (even though I most likely can't afford it at $900; but COME ON! 4K, 144hz @ 27"!!!)
Can it run redstone?
Hey, you forgot to enable HDR for FarCry! You need to make sure antialiasing is disabled first, and then open the console and type "
_hdrrendering 7" without the quotes. You can use numbers 1 - 11 but I think 7 is the preferred value. If you leave antialiasing enabled it becomes unplayable so make sure you turn that off first.
Heres me, by complete coincidence, watching this on a PlayStation 3d display lol
Oh shit I have that same case lol
120hz?
At the time NEC had better or the best lcd monitors, using S-IPS matrix with ATW polarizer, the best monitors ever made on lcd tech, but hugely expensive.
Droooooooool like Homer
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New vid nice!
How does that sony monitor work when it's NOT plugged into a PC. Obviously that's not the use case for it. For example, a Playstation product.
CRT would have been the better way to go
WoW
Laughs in 160hz CRT
10:10 Couldn't be bothered to wipe it down? 😕