Most of the Enclave goofs are people trolling. Also some people just talk about the Enclave because they want to join them and you know…actually have opinions in a role playing game. I think if the Legion is joinable, so should the Enclave.
In my playthrough at 47:14 the gunmen kept completely missing the bound targets and it went on for over a minute. One of them even missed so bad he hurt another gunman and they started infighting, missing each other heavily until the other guys finished killing the folk so the dialogue could continue. I was dying laughing even though it obviously wasn’t intended to be funny.
@@peppermillers8361 yeah that fucking sucks. Lost Russell that way. Felt really anticlimactic. Granted I hate Virgil/Marko's stupid edginess and resented the mod for not allowing you to tell him to piss off with the bullshit moralizing
Most, if not all, of the bounty and assassination targets are expies of characters from other properties. The ones I remember off-hand are Matthew Quigley from Quigley Down Under, Freddy Krueger from A Nightmare on Elm Street and Tony Montana from Scarface.
There is a mod that completely rewrites Marko to be a much more respectable character. Plus, more dialogue options during the final encounter. The problem is, it is still unfinished. The voice acting for Marko is disabled to accomodate the new lines. I mean, the new writing is much better, but it's still really off for him to be the only mute character. Besides the better-written lines, New Marko has slightly tweaked look (makes him look more villainous) and his own custom boss theme. The graveyard where you fight him also has it's own brand-new ominous music track to accompany the confrontation. The author promises the mod to be fully-voiced once it hits the V2 stage. They are currently looking for a competent VA for New Marko as we speak.
Especially for the kinds of Couriers that always have evil karma and kill for fun. No option to reveal the player's psychopathic tendencies to Marko. I do appreciate all the Terrifying Presence dialogue options though.
48:49 I NEVER thought that Ulysess was a bad character. I just thought that they could have toned down on the way he talks. I mean, you can sneeze, and instead of "Bless you", he'd probably say something profound about how time for another armageddon could be hinted at with smaller explosions
The idea behind Ulysess is great. What he represents, how he is tied to the courier, the way he is built up as a legendary figure where others pray for you when they hear you went to confront him, and the idea that one can a profound impact on someone else without even knowing it. The problem is in the execution. The dialogue gets pretty heavy-handed and long-winded after a while, to the point you're tempted to just start skipping because you already know what he's getting at. I thought the final confrontation was really good a fitting conclusion for two legendary couriers. It's just that after a while, he clearly loves hearing himself talk a little too much.
My favorite thing about killing The Judge is just how many different ways you can do it. You can go for the handshake, lie to him that you're hard of hearing so he has to lean in closer to you, and if you high enough strength you can break his neck. However in my recent run of the game I had the cannibal perk and had the option of TEARING OUT HIS THROAT with my fucking teeth. I love it so much
Doc Fridays voice lines are missing because the voice acting didn't finished all of them and was just gone (Iirc) and Someguy didn't want to replace him, left it open when he comes back.. which never happened I guess
@@ramblelime it's the same reason esther's voice lines in nvb 3 are unvocied. her actoress jsut disappeared on him after voiceing the chracter in nvb 2.
The "succeeding" a speech check thing is a major part of Dean dominos character from dead money, in fact I fell victim to that blunder by passing every check thrown at me.
I'm not gonna lie, I was extremely curbstomped by that twist XD. Luckily on my first playthrough, I didn't put points in barter. But the fact that you can succeed a check and actually fuck up specifically because of that, is awesome.
I mean, there's also the fact that the example he brings up doesn't even happen really At no point do you use any skill check that wouldn't work on someone and it does The closest I can think of is telling Ricky you can tell he's a psycho addict or that his pipboy clearly doesn't work, both times it only works because you add an underlying threat to it, where for the psycho one you tell him he's gonna run out of psycho on the journey and for the pipboy one you threaten to tell Jeb that he lied about his pipboy so he doesn't get paid.
Dead Money's a bit of an exception because the treatment of the characters from how you act is more important than anything you say for the most part. All fine and well if you smooth talk Christine or Dean into doing what you want, you still didnt show them they can trust you with your actions
I do think you missed a chunk with the Sand Wolves. For one Russel himself is sympathetic to them and tries to defend them a few times. Two is a holotape you can find in a cave ((dont remember where)) from a Follower of the Apocalypse who met with the Sand Wolves and when NCR settlers came fearing the worst turned the largely non hostile Sand Wolves into warmongers telling them the NCR was there to kill them all. Do I think they should have been fleshed out more? Yes 100% I absolutely love all the tribal stuff on Fallout. However I do think those were important details that should have been mentioned.
IIRC Someguy did originally have an ending where you killed Glanton and saved the sand wolves at the expense of the town, but he eventually removed it for reasons I can’t remember
@@pokemaster123ism he was having issues with the GECK, something about scripting breaking between the diverging quest path, and said, "okay, fuck it. Good enough"
I can see what Someguy was going for, a man with good intentions inevitably fucking things up even worse then they would have been for the natives of the area.
9:38 actually New Vegas does do this but only a single time that I can remember. In Dead Money if you pass the 50 Barter check against Dean Domino he will ALWAYS turn hostile against you during the final act even if you make sure he's safe during the Gala event as he feels that you've disrespected him and hurt his massive ego. Josh Sawyer said that it was done to punish players who just mindlessly press the auto win button without actually reading what the dialouge says.
The whole Blood Meridian tie in with the stories was pretty nice for a new vegas setting. Tho itd be cool if you could run with the Glanton gang like the kid then get betrayed
My favorite part about New Vegas Bounties 3, you can go out after the mod is finished, find Brookshire in the NCR Embassy, and either let him go, where he'll thusly disappear from the game, or just outright kill him, if if you don't give a flying fuck about your rep with the NCR. Killing him nets you nothing, except personal satisfaction and a note that tells you that he had been backed by the Syndicate in his endeavors.
There is also a few other NPC's that show up in the Mojave post NVB3, like the super mutant bounty can be found in Jacobstown if he's let go, and he thanks you for letting him live, or how if you let the mail bomber live, while he won't appear himself, on one occasion an NCR Courier will arrive at the Strip, and will blow up when getting near the Embassy. That second one I'm not entirely sure on, as it has been some time since I last actually did Brookshire's jobs, but I remember it only occurring after completing NVB3
@@uhglylizard6454 holy shit! HOLY SHIT- this just answered something really weird that happened to me at Mojave Outpost. I was going to repair some armor and a random courier just exploded right outside it. I checked the note and it was all really vague. I figured it had something to do with the Syndicate but not the unabomber that's wild.
Yeah, I remember going into the NCR embassy to do something for Crocker when I saw Brookshare. Man it felt good giving his head some air conditioning with Sweet Revenge. And I got away with it too, had enough NCR rep to not be hated
I haven’t heard of them I’m somewhat new to modding on New Vegas and wow there is a lot of mods so it’s not surprising I’m still learning about mods I’ve never heard of any other good recommended quest mods?
The Inheritance is also supposed to take place/be played after NVB2's main quest since it came out afterwards, so the character worship by that point is even more forgivable
Fun fact about bounties 3, it recognizes if you have custom followers with you, and KILLS THEM when you reach that part of the story. Marko even goes ahead and taunts you about it. I had a deathclaw companion from more perks- perkpack which got buried six feet under because of this sequence.
I was using Willow when I first went through the mod and learned this the hard way lol. Funnily enough it made The Better Angels feel better for me, like I was looking for redemption for my gf dying along with everything that went down with Marko.
@@kissmekatut You don't need to go that far. I tried NVB3 again a while later with Willow installed, and she survived just fine when I left her at the house in Novac the mod comes with. Didn't even need to dismiss her, so it should also work with other modded companions as well. Just don't take them with you and you'll be fine.
Nice analysis. Now here's some thoughts as a guy who followed this series way more than he should have. 1. In regards to the language, iirc Someguy said in an interview it's a verbal tic he took after his grandfather, who he mentions having sweared allot. 2. One of the big reasons Bounties 3 suffers is because it's pretty much a bare bones mod he made because he felt obligated to finish it. Marko was supposed to have more depth, and the mod would have had a way to save the town by doing some pretty horrible stuff. And there would have been an ending where you meet Marko YEARS after NV as a dying old man with the option to kill him or not. Instead we got what we got. You mention alot how modders tend to quit after a few projects, Bounties 3 almost made Someguy quit and he's since admitted it's probably his worst. 3 (you thought we were done?). While the funny tape with Bobby is a moment I love, it also has a bittersweetness to it. Towards the end he mentions heading to The Commonwealth which was supposed to set up a Someguy series for Fallout 4. But he was one of the many who was disappointed in it, and found the modding very limited. Which sucks considering most of the problems he listed have since been fixed by modders, but by the time they came out it seems modders stopped caring. Someguy did mention a while ago he was contemplating making a "season 2" in NV focusing on the Syndicate, but this IS coming from the guy who still hasn't finished his Skyrim series nearly a decade after the first part, so who knows if it will happen. In conclusion, this mod series is amazing simply because of how much of a bedrock it is for modding as a whole. It would be interesting to see what quest mods today would look like if it was never made.
@@WSBM14 Yeah, and those that tried were too late. Even though there are ways to make dialogue not four versions of yes, and bringing the old UI, it came out at a time when everyone lost motivation. Even some of the few quest mods that come out in a blue moon don't use those tools because they are basically forgotten cause no one pays attention to mods that aren't big tit presets, or settlement overhauls.
@@White_Tiger93 I think you should forget about Firebase Zulu ever happening. That mod burned him out big time and I don't think he's inclined to return to it.
All of his mods are currently being remastered by Roy Batty and his team (not TTW) with finished VA from the original actors mostly and a lot of stuff revoiced and bug fixed.
@@Guymanbot97 It's been discussed on the TTW server as well as the Nexus forums. You can find the thread about keeping the British VA for one of the characters on the nexus forums, Hermit posted it.
@@alalvarez7301 It was for a voice acting call, although there was a recent Someguy bug fix mod that had authour of said mod ask if he could use the mod as a basis to speed up the process
He's not conflating anything....if you know anything about the history of the American West and Native culture then you can easily spot the references to real life. The Glanton Gang was a real gang of scalp hunters that murdered and scalped hundreds of Natives back in the 1800s. Judge Holden was also a real member of that gang. The mod author probably read Blood Meridian and these are intentional references to "cowboys and indians". The criticism is valid and comes with that territory.
The Bobby Bass tape is incredible. Love the bewildered look at the length of the tape. "That last guy had something going on with babies, and hatches, and-" 🤣
'Tribals' in Fallout are only as 'indigenous' as anyone else after the apocalypse. They're not necessarily native Americans/first Nations, in-lore they are literally just tribes of people who banded together post-great war. IIRC the tribes in Zion in the Honest Hearts DLC are descended partly from European tourists.
Right, nobody ever criticized the White Legs tribe and they're practically the same in regards of violence. The towns people don't hate the Sand Wolves because of their tribalism or their "race". They hate them because of how they savagely brutalize everyone that isn't them. It's a good video but he should keep his white guilt to himself since it's not even warranted to the story.
in HH iirc the Sorrows were decendants of kids who escaped Think Tanks experiments in Big MT, so probbably kids of/would be Chinese first generatiom immigrants, Dead Horses dont really have any explanation so it would be reasonable to say they were just a buch of people who formed a tribe around Dead Horse point
@@comradesam3382 Pretty sure Joshua said the Dead Horses come from "The Res" which is basically the Navajo Nation. From the wiki: "The Res is based on the real-world Navajo Indian Reservation, which was renamed to the Navajo Nation on April 15, 1969. Like its in-game counterpart, it is located to the east of the Grand Canyon and attracts many tourists." "He tells the Courier that he believes the Dead Horses tribe members were originally refugees from Res, and that their language is a combination of their own and that of travelers who were visiting when the Great war occured." Also, I disagree with you saying tribals are descended from europeans. They're basically Native Americans/First Nations descendant. We literally teach French, Spanish and German on the Navajo Nation today; and many natives speak their tribe's language and english along with Spanish or German/French. We're required to take classes for speaking Navajo. It's not a stretch to say the natives from that area just survived and continued using the navajo language in combination with the other languages which formed the language we hear the Dead Horses speak. We should also recognize that Native Americans have already gone through near apocalyptic plagues and genocide on a scale unseen and still managed to recognizably survive and keep their cultures. If anyone is prepared to keep their culture alive through a Nuclear war, I'd say it's them, even with the odds stacked against them.
It doesn't matter if they really are "indigenous" to the region or not, what matters is their presentation; their language, clothing, weapons, all of it is clearly meant to allude to and be a representation of real-life Native American groups. They're more or less a stand-in for real Indigenous groups that live in the Southwest United States.
@@Bister_Mungle at least Navajo keep their language alive. There are so few speakers of Sioux dialects that it is almost pointless to even learn it when less than 100k people speak it with any sort of proficiency
I like how PVB and HH do the presentation of tribes being just more victims of the apocalypse like you. It makes you understand that as the reason the New Canaanites protect them in spite of their backwards beliefs.
@@Otterdisappointment Hey, I know you mean well here-- but I would be careful about saying beliefs of an ethnicity are backwards. Obviously these are fictional characters, so there's no real harm done, but beliefs about fiction often bleed over into real life, so it's best to keep cultural relativity in practice irl AND elsewhere.
I thought your criticism of the Sand Wolves' treatment was pretty on-point for the most part, but I was surprised you didn't mention the diary entries that are scattered around that give more insight into their culture and history, explaining why they act as hostile as they do. It's not as good as it could be, but they definitely aren't entirely devoid of depth.
@@gofuckthyself420 missing out misc notes is an error I suppose but not one that's particularly relevant. The Sand Wolves are still portrayed 1 dimensionally despite what diaries most players miss says
@@jamesmeow3039 so your ignoring the lore so you can say that? The sand wolves and the town are in a turf war. You went to the town and have connections to the town, why would the sand wolves talk to you? Let alone give you lore dumps. Ofc the townspeople are going to act like the "tribals" are all savages becuse turf war. If you go to Ukraine and ask them about the Russians they'll say similar things as the townsfolk, becuse war.
I'd recommend trying autumn leaves next. Its probably the only quest mod you can complete without firing a single shot. As for the sand wolves, I'd recommend checking some of the caves in the russel new world space, you might just find an interesting journal.
I personally don't have much of a problem with the whole "imperialism" thing. it's actually quite interesting to me, because nobody really bats an eye at immediately hostile "raider" groups (or vault dwellers or townspeople or "boomers" etc), with no further nuance. it's only problematic when these npcs get renamed to "tribals". which in the world of fallout carries basically 0 weight in-universe. every faction in the game is tribalistic. the only real weight it carries is the players own drawn parallels between the tribal depicted in the game in their own context, and the "indigenous" peoples/cultures in our world and history. in game, they have the; same on-sight aggression. same lack of reason to explain the immediate hostility, besides the surmiseable "it's the apocalypse". so really, it's more of a critique based on your own realworld sensibilities, than based on anything presented to you in-game. which is absolutely understandable and perfectly fine to feel that way, of course, but levied as a criticism? I'm not sure that's particularly fair. That aside, fantastic analysis, and cool to find out you're a fellow Canadian! I've been binge watching your videos today, and i thought i heard a bit of the accent in a few instances!
Unironically what's wrong with liking Liberty Prime tho? I get disliking fascism but that doesn't mean you have to like communism/marxism as a response. Communism lead to some of the worst atrocities in history so no, i will keep disliking it unironically just as much as i hate fascism and nazism Like bruh
yeah, but liberty prime as a writing tool is a really on the nose reference to red scare beliefs. Dislike communism, that's fair and fine, but it's not the boogeyman that will inevitably take control of a country after mild reform happens to stop people being more afraid of the debt of treatment than untreated symptoms. It's a joke about reactionary dipshits and how they often play into fascist talking points, conservatives going along and supporting hitler partially because he wanted war with the soviets, for instance. Also, while communism has lead to terrible things, the one that's actually done damage referred to as vanguardism and is lenin's dictator fetish swirling together with a genuine critique. A more faithful version would be syndicalism, which while worse than Keynesian capitalism, is at least not inherently fucked like the U.S.S.R. and the C.C.P.
You can find something thats bad or evil in fiction enjoyable without idolising it. There are plenty of people who enjoy, say, Caesars Legion. It becomes an ick when people fetishise the group, thinking they are right.
My biggest confusion on the Ulysses hate is the complaint of "he talks to much and too long" HE'S LITERALLY THE ONLY MAJOR CHARACTER YOU TALK TO IN THE ENTIRE DLC, IF HE WASN'T LONG WINDED THEN THERE'D BARELY BE ANY DIALOGUE IN THE DLC. Not to mention his dialogue length is less than half than the combined Big Mountain Scientists dialogue length.
the difference is that Ulysses' dialogue isn't just a lot, its dense. Everything he talks about has weight to the point where it gets so figuratively heavy its exhausting - like a massive exposition dump. The Think Tank's dialogue and the overall story of OWB is relatively light and unchallenging. Remember that Ulysses is carrying the weight of all three other DLCs, plus the main campaign on his shoulders. Every single story to this point was leading up to this encounter between the two couriers. I'm also assuming youre combining ALL think tank dialogue into one, right? Not really fair. They are 5 different characters, each with their own cadence, tone and flavor. Ulysses speaks dryly and in a very monotonous, hostile way. I love Ulysses to death, this is just my take on why people probably dislike him. Its a combination of dry, coldness. Something that doesnt feel justified.
Because Ulysses motivation is stupid. He's basing this monumental decision and attempting to wipe out everyone he can over an accident. He then monologues self righteously for 15+ minutes everytime he takes over ED-E. If the final dialogue box didn't have a shut up and fight option he'd monologue even longer. People think he's some deep and interesting character because he has a gravelly voice in the most brown dlc of the brown game in the first real ending of a serious game they've ever played, and he's just a dingus. The ending is a less harsh van Buren ending because obsidian wanted to shoe horn it in.
I feel he suffers from how his dialogue is structured more than anything else. Instead of it being spread out well, it is basically an exposition monologue after every area. If they broke it up better, made him monologue a bit less, and so on, it would work wonders.
I feel like while Someguy has regrets over the Sand Wolves Portrayal, how it is, how they are portrayed as being utterly and totally hostile, nearly animalistic, paired against both Glanton's brutalism against "savages" and the town's venomous hate against the sandwolves shows a weird but great dynamic of everyone being wrong for the right reasons? You and your Pal Russel here seem to be the only human souls amongst the lot of these groups in carruthers canyon. It's a turning of fallout dynamics on it's head again, similarly to the Bradley "fight" in the inheritance bunker. The Sandwolves, not all tribes, but them really are utterly hostile. they are still human. Same for the NCR settlers in the town. No one is correct, all are wrong, and they have credible reasons for thinking and acting how they do. Both the Sandwolves and Glanton kill infants. Silverpeak is full of bigotry brought on through fear, but it's credible fear, and they're the most "innocent" among the groups there. I feel like its supposed to be a no-win scenario, you try to make it out as "best" as you can, which i think is not siding with Glanton, and helping the town to fight the legion, which then gives Russel, your friend, some peace at the end as he faces off against his centurion tormentor. This was a lot of rambling just to say i understand your feelings on the Sandwolves but it's a good portrayal of brutalism in the west, Blood Meridian style, but from it, and this whole excursion, your friend Russell does find some measurement of self improvement. His name is the Mod afterall.
It's based off Cormac McCarthy's novel "Blood Meridian" and the real, historical "Glanton gang" who killed thousands of indigenous people in northern Mexico and southwestern USA. The mod does not condemn Manifest Destiny, imperialism, and genocide as much as the book does. I think someguy may have read the novel and wasn't able to translate it's political/social commentary, and the mod ended up the way it was as a result.
@@UberSchluh I know it has basis in Blood Meridian, that's why I made the comparison. And while it doesn't have a one to one correlation in terms of practice, the message is still the same. Condemnation of manifest destiny but a equal condemnation of what one can equate, in simple terms, to savagery. McCarthy is against Manifest Destiny, but then gets to it's root, that anyone or thing can be capable and has shown to be capable of "that". Greed and savagery and violence and "evil". It's the same in the mod, The sandwolves are having their land being encroached upon, yes, but Silverpeak DID try diplomacy and it didn't work, it was met with brutalism, and such evil begets evil begets evil and so on and so forth, the role of the player and Russell is the intention to stop that cycle, but in the end, instead of putting the entire world on your shoulders, you put an end to the PERSONAL "cycle of evil" that has harmed Russell for a large portion of his life, his slavery and torture and his disillusionment.
@@captainscowllyface Very true! Its been sometime since I played the mod and I had not considered the affinities between the Courier/Russell and the Kid. In the novel, once the Judge becomes the de facto leader, violence begets violence not for sake of monetary gain but for sake of violence itself, 'War is God' and all that. Arguably this was already in place with Glanton, but it reaches its apex in the final third of the novel. What I do not think the mod can recreate, possibly due to its position in the larger world of New Vegas, is the idea that the Judge is some universal constant of violence, a self-correcting system of bloodlust that covers everything in existence. Look at the end of the novel, and the final interaction with the Judge and the Kid: if this had some equivalent in the mod, I doubt many would have liked it. Perhaps the fact that the ideal solution is unattainable is the closest means of rendering that affect. The idea that the NCR, seeking to recreate the structural and institutional aspects of the USA, will fall into the same issues, is very pronounced in the base game. Even their interactions with the Great Khans could arguably be making the same statement regarding indigenous groups, although the Great Khans differ from Fallout 'tribes' in several ways. I think it would be interesting to see this mod remade with more attention paid to the issues discussed in the video and comments. However, since New Vegas quest mods will be expected to function in the larger narrative of the base game (hence why recreating the end of Blood Meridian is untenable), a one-to-one correlate of the novel's thematic sequence is unlikely to take place.
@@UberSchluh I think In a way it would be worse if it did correlate so accurate and closely, it is more an echo or reference then a full on adaptation, such as their already being "The Judge" at the end of Bounties 1, and they are not some vaguely supernatural, semi omnipotent force like the novel, but still a very evil, stalwart, monster of a man. I feel Russell's ending is for the Better with all things considered. The vagueness at it's end I think holds to it a great weight, not just as a correlation to blood meridian, but it's play on fallout ideals and practices. There is no clean way to complete Russell. You can't talk the sandwolves down, you can't convince Silverpeak to give up, nor can the legion be avoided. Violence will occur, there is no peaceful option that much of New Vegas can cater towards. Someguy2000 has done a lot of subversion of fallout practices in his works. In that way, I think the ending is great. You sorta just scraped by, it wasn't clean no matter what your options were for glanton or Silverpeak, but you and Russell for our of there, and you and he are better for it.
Russell doesn't even remotely imply colonialist extermination is okay, even if it would have definitely benefited from greater interaction with the sand wolves prior to the legion attack. The town being treated as resoundingly unpleasant and Russell (himself a victim first of Legion imperialism and then later the NCR's) stabbing the mayor to death before leaving in disgust aren't mild context clues. Plus, yknow, Glanton being named after an infamous historical scalphunter.
I don't want it to seem like I'm casting aspersions, but... it's hard to _not_ notice the similarities between Bobby Bass and Roy Sullivan from the Eliza mod. I'm not saying so-and-so copied what's-his-nuts, because both Bass and Sullivan are depictions of a character archetype. Still, the similarities between the two characters are un-missable. heh
The thing I hate the most about NVB3 Is the fact that I'm being judged for actions I had no choice for in NVB1, I get 2 because I had a choice there so fair enough, but for NVB1 I could only kill.And also I hate the fact that you can murk marko and then the game is like " lol courier got shit kicked in, everyone think he coward and dumb and weak and stupid and dumb enjoy the end " though without those issues decent mod.
Fr he was really that unwilling to let's his character look weak in any way and it forces your character into been obsessed with thier "legend" Not forgetting most of your targets are the most evil people that could exist
@@mayalewis2956 The funny part is that the whole "I ruined your legend" thing in NVB3 doesn't even work right. Because, in the run where you kill Marko, you have the Courier buried in a shallow grave for a second time, rising again, slaughtering a saloon full of bounty hunters in a massive gunfight, before facing down Marko in single combat and emerging triumphant, all while bearing the injuries Marko gave them. That's *exactly* the sort of shit that'd show up in those dime novels that are apparently being written about the Courier. That's downright *cinematic* in how amazing a story it sounds. Marko couldn't even ruin your legend right.
I mean yeah the people in the town refer to the Sand Wolves in horrible terms, but the mod makes it pretty clear it is because they've both screwed each other over the past couple of years and are pretty much in a state of constant warfare. The raided farmstead outside the town has several notes detailing their interactions with the tribe. If anything it's fitting that they both hate each other.
and you find a note by a fallower where he is so terriified about what the ncr are gonna do to the sand wolves when they find out there are silver in the mines.
Between you either missing, or intentionally omitting notes from Russell's mod that would completely invalidate your takes on how the sand wolves are portrayed, intentionally misleading people by claiming that the mod says that colonialism is good actually, and the weird diatribe halfway through about people LARPing as the Enclave or Liberty Prime, I can tell that while you clearly enjoyed the series, you have about as much media literacy as your average twitter user. It's almost unbelievable that you could've missed some of the plot points that you have, which leads me to believe you purposely left them out to spin a narrative. So you're either lazy, and didn't do the bare minimum of playing through the mods fully, ie. reading the notes that contain massive chunks of lore, or you're maliciously spinning them to suit your worldview, and I can't really decide which is worse.
I’d say intentionally leaving out the notes that contradict his moral spew is worse because he’s supposed to be doing a review of the mods which means he’s supposed to do everything in the mod to make a full detailed video and when you factor in this guys does this weird grandstanding in all his videos he most likely left it out so he can still ride the high horse
Interestingly, NV proper does have some ways to "fail" by succeeding skill checks. Pretty infamously, succeeding a barter check when you meet Dean Domino at the beginning of Dead Money will instill in him the same narcissistic psycho-grudge he had for Sinclair and he'll try and murder you when he gets the chance later for acting "better" than him. There's not much way to know this will happen, though - it only becomes clear as you find out more about Dean and the Sierra Madre that his neurosis makes him incredibly vindictive over real or imagined slights.
isn't that specifically for shitters who find it funny? I don't really see how that counts as a "failed" skill check compared to DM, which is the only ACTUAL unintentional fail.@@changvasejarik62
sorry but i couldn't like the video after your analysis of sand wolves and imperialism, its completly wrong and you missed the point of everything, im not trying to sound mean but please ignore your american black and white views on imperialism and stuff so you can get the bigger picture, neither town nor sand wolves are good or bad, that indian thing after analysis was completly uneeded and felt like you're trying to be good guy while someguy is bad guy that vouches for imperialism, be more open minded please. PS: darn shame you didn't menton the Red Bear bounty, probably the best bounty and side quest of the mods, highly recommend it.
18:26 that’s actually a reference to “al sweargengen” a historical figure and a character from the show deadwood which had a lot of cussing in it as well
Yeah, except he's not nearly as good a writer as the guys from Deadwood, so it just comes off as a cheap imitation. The swearing in Deadwood is downright poetic and is woven into the iambic pentameter.
Hilarious, a violent tribe being violent is "disgusting" to you. tribes like that exist there have been numerus first hand accounts of families being butchered by violent tribals. And if you want a "good representation" of tribals in a fallout mod, you're being silly
This video is actually a dream come true for me, I've always wanted to see someone analyze the themes of these mods (or quest mods in general) and also how they fit into the game as a whole. It feels like all of these old quest mods were only really reviewed for their gameplay and not really discussed for anything deeper. I've wanted to make my own reviews in this style for a long while, but this is a lot better than what I had in mind! I thought this video was great, I really liked your perspective on this series and I really hope to see you tackle some other older mods that have gone untouched over the years! (Beyond Boulder Dome comes to mind.)
Thank you so much!!!! You should make those videos! One of the things I worried about the most when I started was doing something someone else had already done. My first (now deleted) video was around an idea that someone had made and uploaded only a few days before mine. That creator and I connected, and we both learned a lot from each others' takes on the idea. Every person is different and as such every person will make different videos, even if on the same topic. Thank you again for such a thoughtful and kind comment :) EDIT: i'm working on two projects at the moment, and one of them may or may not be boulder dome... maybe.
If you liked that recording you should've gone for the New Vegas Killer mod as well. Another small tidbit i liked is the whole point with "Sweet Revenge" having a unique dialogue choice with Marco in the final confrontation. And yes i suppose the locale was supposed to be a Western homage, of the highest kind of homages. (too much of a homage of The Good the Bad and the Ugly.
I carried Sweet Revenge ever since I completed Bounties 1 and when I found out that Marko actually recognized Randall's piece before I used it to paint the snow with him was a mind blowing touch for a single NV mod
Very weird section of you waxing over your own guilt about historical grievances when talking about a videogame mod Deserved like a few short sentences at most to acknowledge that its still an ongoing issue Feels like I just watched you go at yourself with a ninetails
25:50 listen I would love your channel mate but please just keep out the random stuff like “stonetoss bad” or how you disagree with someone cause of a funny enclave pfp. If you want to hate them fine, just don’t shove it in our faces randomly
he is kind of right about enclave pfps, they are the anime pfps of the fallout community. if making fun of retarded dipshits triggers you feel free to unsub. I feel like these remarks were purposefully included to drive the cringey fallout fans away.
man, you went in matter of 10 min from having my interest to cringing me out. The Natives thing was bad enough but then you move on from it and go off another deep end virtue signal.
19:50 If you think imperialism is 100% evil, you are foolish😂 I’m sure many starving tribes in around the world wouldn’t mind getting forcefully assimilated into a functioning society after a decade of modern food and medicine
Obligatory reminder that India's period of bitching about British Colonialism started when the British banned burning widows alive, ended when the British set up infrastructure, water, rail lines, and started up again after everyone who had benefited from it were dead or nearly so and their descendants needed a verbal club to guilt the British with.
So far the only Someguy I've actually played is King of the Ring. After seeing youtubers fail to beat it without cheating, or even fail to beat it with moderate cheating. It's challenging, but nowhere near impossible with an actual unarmed build (Piercing strike, Stonewall, Super Slam, Slayer, Unstoppable force) and the right non-melee perks (Rad Child, Toughness, NEMEAN subdermal armor)
You seem to have completely neglected the Sandwolves lore. There’s a perfectly reasonable explanation why they’re so hostile to outsiders. It was pretty much another case of cultural contamination from a Follower of the Apocalypse missionary, the same type of situation that led to the Blackfoot tribe becoming the Legion. Also I disagree with their classification as “indigenous” everyone in Fallout tribal or not is equally indigenous, these aren’t “first peoples” we’re talking about here, these are descendants of the survivors of the Great War just like everyone else in the Wasteland, the sole difference is their society formed away from Urbanized areas, and is more tribalistic as a result. Also the Enclave rant didn’t really fit into the video, it’s fine to have your own opinions but it’s strange to get so upset over it. Most Enclave fans are just trolls anyways, they’re just having a laugh at the expense of people like yourself who seemingly get at least a little bit offended about it. Don’t take the bait.
People get really mad when any tribal person is portrayed as violent and unreasonable and the hero of the story is the one killing them. Happened with Bone Tomahawk when it came out. Some people were even complaining during the honest hearts dlc that it portrayed the natives as either needing a white man and his 'whire man religion' for help or being absolute savages who were easily manipulated into violence. Though they seem to forget that the White Legs were always violent, they were just more effective with Caesars aid. Plus all the stuff you said, tribals doesn't mean what it means in the real world. Heck, the Khan's are called tribals. Not to mention, you don't call yourself the Sandwolves unless you had fangs from the get go. You ask me which side is right between a barbaric tribe of Caesars cronies and a town full of people ranging in morality, I'll choose the people who aren't wearing a dog head.
I'd say you spent too long of a time on the indigenous topic. Who cares. It's a video game. And it's a video game where tribals are descendants of the pre-war citizens of America. It's not that deep
For the record, the story also seems to forget Tom Quigley, seeing as he was crazy and had a note that showed he intended to murder his wife due to the syphilis. Also, I can appreciate a fellow Bobby Bass enjoyer, man's a riot.
@@DefinitelyNotATrolldier Yeah, they are. But the story treats him like he was a Noble mobster when he's got a holotape that's utter nonsense but basically amounts to wanting to kill his wife.
@@DefinitelyNotATrolldier yeah, but the game treats your murder of Tom as if he was completely innocent. As if he only did what he did to get food on the table. You can't tell them that he was crazy and actually tried to murder his wife.
@@zoltanbojan8035 I feel like even Someguy2000 forgot that, after all, he had made many mods before Bounties III, there's details he'd miss, he's only human.
Very fitting for how marko is written tbqh. He's trying to make you feel bad about an unambiguously justified kill and you can't even tell the dude to stfu.
That tangent about tribals and fans of the Enclave really came outta left field and broke my focus on the video almost immediately. I get you may have gripes with certain themes, characters or fans. And you can voice them reasonably like you otherwise have. But try not to get overly emotional about it.
I don't think there's a problem with how the Sand Wolves are portrayed. Even in the world of Fallout, there have been tribes that are essentially evil. The White Legs, for instance, just go around raiding and killing because they're incapable of living off the land. The most you can do in Honest Hearts is show mercy to their leader, but they aren't a nuanced group by any means. The White Glove Society is a group of reformed cannibalistic tribals who used to drag people underground to eat them, and the Omertas were once a tribe known as the Slither Kin (yes, like literal fucking backstabbing snakes) whose whole gimmick was inviting hapless travelers to feast with them before drugging and either murdering or enslaving them. If anything the lack of nuance with the Sand Wolves is more of a missed opportunity than anything actually offensive. In the world of Fallout there are good tribes and there are bad tribes, and the Sand Wolves fall into the latter category.
"the tribe is treated as backwards evildoers by the characters in game" "the only time you see or interact with the tribe is evidence of them being backwards evildoers" > have you considered that the tribe might actually just be backwards evildoers and we can accept that without having to try and heavy handedly mirror that onto unrelated real world issues?
are you aware that things like that are written by actual people? there's a reason why it was written this specific way man. also, fucking hilarious seeing this idiotic take combined with the 4chin funny arrow on youtube.
25:30 You good there buddy? Really hope youre not stating the Knights Templar were a bunch of facist genocidal maniacs. If so I have several historical texts you might be interested to read. Also on the Enclave part if you have not heard of The Omega Initiative on TH-cam Id reccomend checking him out as he will take every piece of Enclave lore and lay it out in a good way with some context in how it was initially set up to be and where we got to where we are currently in the timeline. Interesting stuff as it made me rethink a few things beyond the blanketed evil facist blanket statements. Lets face it we enjoy Fallout for its choice and writing. Seems like bad writing to have an organization thats evil to be evil and make decisions that make no sense beyond it being evil
The comparison with the knights is that reactionary, racist enclave 4chan dudes love the power armour because it resembles the knights, a group, (whether there is any historical backing for or not), to them represents the white, western culture they care for so deeply. I also think they love the armour because they're all deeply insecure and it hides their faces but that's even deeper speculation lol Haven't heard of that channel i'll give it a look
@@ramblelime Ah okay fair. I just researched a lot into Medieval History and the Crusades for better context from primary first hand accounts due the misinformation I was always exposed to growing up. I thoroughly do enjoy your videos as a writer of fan made Fallout projects and enjoyer of mods its extremely beneficial to me to see these mods reviewed rather thoroughly than just the, "wow this mod is good play this". I thank you for your videos and hope you continue producing these for years to come
While some parts of the video are good, it would be better if you are less preachy about your political leanings. That sudden tantrum about the Enclave PFPs and "people who like Liberty Prime unironically" was gratuitous and unnecessary (and, IMO, cringy).
Facts! As much as I love FO4 gameplay wise (especially taking over settlements in Nuka World!) The story absolutely sucks ass (except Far Harbour which is _decent)_
10:28 I agree that skill or special checks shouldn't always be auto win button but [Taunt] dialogue isn't a special or skill check, it's obvious a fight option, NV already has [Attack] dialogue so I don't think that's a good example. A good example would be if it was speech check and you got punished for trying to bad mouth a boss.
Fun fact: Steven Randall is a reference to the 1950s Western show "Wanted Dead Or Alive", starring Steve McQueen as "Joshua Randall", a bounty hunter who frequently uses his earnings to help desperate or less fortunate people.
Someguy loves his (Actor's first name) (character's surname) character references. Tom Quigley, the first bounty, is likewise a reference to Tom Selleck and Quigly Down Under.
22:10 Tribals in the mod are savage and violent and you want a reason to like them? i dont understand your problem with this, the tribals are depicted as hostile to outsiders just like raiders, yet i dont think you would start to ramble about raiders being depicted as ruthless and savage, even if we compare it to the native american tribes there were savage and ruthless tribes and there were tribes that were not like that, this happens to be a very hostile tribe.
The best thing these mods achieved was to establish that it's possible to have interwoven stories across multiple entries with varying effects on gameplay based on decisions previously made. personally I think _th3overseer_ produced the more enjoyable series but Someguy2000's work cannot be ignored since it inspired much of what came along later. In terms of fitting in with the story of New Vegas, the series can be mostly integrated since the base game already lends itself to embracing the life of a bounty hunter. You have places like Primm which need a sheriff to bring law and order back to the streets and in North Vegas you have to help out the settlement in order to find out information about a missing person. Then there's checking on Nipton, freeing slaves in Cottonwood Cove and even solving a territorial dispute between the NCR and Jacobstown. The game was _built_ for roleplaying the post-western bounty hunter!
I view theoverseer as directly inspired by Someguy2000 but with a much better understanding of the game engine, and having far more resources available in the modding scene that someguy200 simply had no access to.
It even aged hilariously bad. The native church burial sites he references turned out to all be fake. It’s almost like current event politics just shouldn’t be brought into video games.
The native American rant feels justified with it being related to the mod essentially forcing you to wipe them out while using racist language to describe them. That one wasn't at all out of left field, the power armor thing though felt like venting and probably should have been left unsaid for the sake of the video.
@@LordFinai I didn’t mean it to be in a hostile way. Just saying that it’s a reference. The book is about the Glanton gang who got paid to hunt and scalp native Americans who were attacking travelers (it gets a lot darker but that’s the main idea). And Judge Holden from the book is also the guy mentioned in the funny audio recording later in the video who “has a things for little kids and hatchets”.
@@spyguy888 it seemed accusatory, like how dare you not know it’s a reference and thus think it’s supposed to parallel IRL social injustices. It’s hard to read tone in text format
>adds politics writing in a game with politics writing >criticizes said political writing because it lacks nuance that was present in the base game >"WOW EEEERMMMM WHY DID U TOUCH ON THAT UHHMMM THAT WAS REALLY UNNECESSARY"
@@arthurg.calixto3338 bro this wasn't criticizim the dude went on an entire rant over-extrapolating and starting some life story about him no one cares about
Crazy fact about Russel that makes me sad: you can actually find a note in the Sand Sharks' village from one of the tribe's elders, and it turns out: the mayor was lying. They weren't a bunch of savages who refused to negotiate, he never even tried. Glanton was able to talk them into bringing out all their most vulnerable people because they blindly trusted him -- a stranger. They killed people because the mayor was aggressing against them for territory, and the reason they were taking the kids is because they didn't want to kill them but didn't know another way. What a narrative difference a single note can make. 😢
Bowdrie: "You're dumber than you look, kid. Did you really expect to get the drop on a seasoned Ranger?" (A pre-positioned force of Boone, Russell, Hope Lies, and Eliza, along with myself and Mole Rat, all open fire on Bowdrie and his two pals with suppressed Marlin 1894s) Me: "That's the rumor."
One thing i found interesting in the inheritance is, when those fiends kidnap the kid, there is a secret ending to it. Spoilers. If you complete all the bounty quest for the NCR to kill the fiend leaders. you can pass a speech check with the fiends who grabbed the kid and get them to leave without giving them caps, or the kid dying. Edit: forgot this, but you also need to kill motor runner, so you need to kill all 4 fiend leaders.
@@mettatonfanboy also for another secret, if you pay the ransom or talk the fiend down, wait a few days then revisit one of the locations added by the mod and the fiend will become a mini boss.
Sorry three minutes of an hour-long video, wherein the content introduced political themes, discussed said political themes and why the representation of them wasn’t great and perpetuated negative perceptions.
I always forget that this channel only has around 5k subscribers because the quality of your video essays are on par with channels with 100s of thousands of subs, this is absolutely one of my favorite series on youtube and I always look forward to seeing new videos from you! I know for a fact your channel is going to blow up at some point!!
In regards to the treatment of natives, I know more nuance would have been cool, but there existed IRL some tribal nations that were absurdly hostile to everyone else, like the Comanche, who thrived on killing and scalping everyone who wasn’t one of their own (including other natives) so its not like its completely out of the question that a similar mentality could exist in the retro post apocalypsm for one specific tribe (that isn’t native american to boo, just backwards survvors)
Bobby Bass goes hard. Bobby Bass is literally just a stand-up routine disguised as a character in a mod and I love it so much. ah around 41:08 we get a sliver of Bobby Bass' wonderful routine. Love to hear it. :)
If the unabomber lives he'll start sending you bombs. Couriers run up to you and explode when they should give you the letter.
that is brilliant holy shit
@@ramblelime I survive such an attack barely. 😅 It scared me the first time it happened
Lmao, I always wondered why that was happening. I thought my game was bugged.
this aged poorly
@@hubr5827 Huh?
When i played this series for the first time i was so determined to avenge Randall that i forgot that the mod wasn't part of the base game
Most of the Enclave goofs are people trolling. Also some people just talk about the Enclave because they want to join them and you know…actually have opinions in a role playing game. I think if the Legion is joinable, so should the Enclave.
In my playthrough at 47:14 the gunmen kept completely missing the bound targets and it went on for over a minute. One of them even missed so bad he hurt another gunman and they started infighting, missing each other heavily until the other guys finished killing the folk so the dialogue could continue. I was dying laughing even though it obviously wasn’t intended to be funny.
In new vegas bounties 3 you can actually bring companions and once you’re captured Marko claims that he had them shot down like dogs
yeah, it's great!
@@peppermillers8361 yeah that fucking sucks. Lost Russell that way. Felt really anticlimactic. Granted I hate Virgil/Marko's stupid edginess and resented the mod for not allowing you to tell him to piss off with the bullshit moralizing
Most, if not all, of the bounty and assassination targets are expies of characters from other properties.
The ones I remember off-hand are Matthew Quigley from Quigley Down Under, Freddy Krueger from A Nightmare on Elm Street and Tony Montana from Scarface.
The Judge is straight out of Blood Meridian too
le heckin indigenous peoples
Bounties 3 lessons learned: Never meet your heroes or your enemies.
Then it has multiple requirements and each requirement mod might be updated plus the game might be updated. All that stuff might screw up the mod.
My main problem with Marko is the player has no chance to point out how edgy or cringe he is. Like you can only sit there as he monologues at you.
There is a mod that completely rewrites Marko to be a much more respectable character. Plus, more dialogue options during the final encounter.
The problem is, it is still unfinished. The voice acting for Marko is disabled to accomodate the new lines. I mean, the new writing is much better, but it's still really off for him to be the only mute character.
Besides the better-written lines, New Marko has slightly tweaked look (makes him look more villainous) and his own custom boss theme. The graveyard where you fight him also has it's own brand-new ominous music track to accompany the confrontation.
The author promises the mod to be fully-voiced once it hits the V2 stage. They are currently looking for a competent VA for New Marko as we speak.
@@whoareyoutoaccuseme6588 dope
At least we could with Ulysses.
Especially for the kinds of Couriers that always have evil karma and kill for fun. No option to reveal the player's psychopathic tendencies to Marko. I do appreciate all the Terrifying Presence dialogue options though.
@@dragonfell5078 Another great thing in the rewrite is you can make Marko recognize your love for murder.
48:49 I NEVER thought that Ulysess was a bad character. I just thought that they could have toned down on the way he talks. I mean, you can sneeze, and instead of "Bless you", he'd probably say something profound about how time for another armageddon could be hinted at with smaller explosions
So spot on 😭😂
They didn't do him justice
The idea behind Ulysess is great. What he represents, how he is tied to the courier, the way he is built up as a legendary figure where others pray for you when they hear you went to confront him, and the idea that one can a profound impact on someone else without even knowing it. The problem is in the execution. The dialogue gets pretty heavy-handed and long-winded after a while, to the point you're tempted to just start skipping because you already know what he's getting at. I thought the final confrontation was really good a fitting conclusion for two legendary couriers. It's just that after a while, he clearly loves hearing himself talk a little too much.
I can't really understand him beyond him droning on and on and on _and on_ about bulls and bears.
He’s just a worse version of Kreia
My favorite thing about killing The Judge is just how many different ways you can do it. You can go for the handshake, lie to him that you're hard of hearing so he has to lean in closer to you, and if you high enough strength you can break his neck. However in my recent run of the game I had the cannibal perk and had the option of TEARING OUT HIS THROAT with my fucking teeth. I love it so much
Holy shit that's amazing. I need to install and mod fnv just to do that.
That’s how I killed him the first time.
Wasn’t that how the mayor was killed in dark knight returns?
And the cannibal one is a TWD reference too
Doc Fridays voice lines are missing because the voice acting didn't finished all of them and was just gone (Iirc) and Someguy didn't want to replace him, left it open when he comes back.. which never happened I guess
I had no idea!! Wow alright. What a shame
@@ramblelime it's the same reason esther's voice lines in nvb 3 are unvocied. her actoress jsut disappeared on him after voiceing the chracter in nvb 2.
@@ramblelime mikeburnfire actually did a mod to add these voice lines in, it ain't perfect, but hey, its something
@@megamike15 That is messed up..
@@megamike15 Nunn. N. Bbb.
The "succeeding" a speech check thing is a major part of Dean dominos character from dead money, in fact I fell victim to that blunder by passing every check thrown at me.
I'm not gonna lie, I was extremely curbstomped by that twist XD.
Luckily on my first playthrough, I didn't put points in barter. But the fact that you can succeed a check and actually fuck up specifically because of that, is awesome.
I mean, there's also the fact that the example he brings up doesn't even happen really
At no point do you use any skill check that wouldn't work on someone and it does
The closest I can think of is telling Ricky you can tell he's a psycho addict or that his pipboy clearly doesn't work, both times it only works because you add an underlying threat to it, where for the psycho one you tell him he's gonna run out of psycho on the journey and for the pipboy one you threaten to tell Jeb that he lied about his pipboy so he doesn't get paid.
Dead Money's a bit of an exception because the treatment of the characters from how you act is more important than anything you say for the most part. All fine and well if you smooth talk Christine or Dean into doing what you want, you still didnt show them they can trust you with your actions
@kaiserfranzjoseph9311 because a character with a massive ego gets upset if you undermine him, and tries to betray you as a result? womp womp
@kaiserfranzjoseph9311skill issue brother
Someguy2000 has deleted his Nexus, twitter, and TH-cam accounts to seemingly leave the internet forever. He will be missed.
really sad, wish i could thank him
why
Aw man, that's a fucking bummer.
Are his mods anywhere? I really wanna try them
@siegfriedhiryu4660 they should be up on nexus still just uploaded by someone else
I do think you missed a chunk with the Sand Wolves. For one Russel himself is sympathetic to them and tries to defend them a few times. Two is a holotape you can find in a cave ((dont remember where)) from a Follower of the Apocalypse who met with the Sand Wolves and when NCR settlers came fearing the worst turned the largely non hostile Sand Wolves into warmongers telling them the NCR was there to kill them all.
Do I think they should have been fleshed out more? Yes 100% I absolutely love all the tribal stuff on Fallout. However I do think those were important details that should have been mentioned.
f****** I'm going to have to kill the followers aren't I they keep turning the nice tribals into warmongering monsters
a follower leading tribes against the NCR, where have I seen that before :)
IIRC Someguy did originally have an ending where you killed Glanton and saved the sand wolves at the expense of the town, but he eventually removed it for reasons I can’t remember
@@pokemaster123ism he was having issues with the GECK, something about scripting breaking between the diverging quest path, and said, "okay, fuck it. Good enough"
I can see what Someguy was going for, a man with good intentions inevitably fucking things up even worse then they would have been for the natives of the area.
9:38 actually New Vegas does do this but only a single time that I can remember. In Dead Money if you pass the 50 Barter check against Dean Domino he will ALWAYS turn hostile against you during the final act even if you make sure he's safe during the Gala event as he feels that you've disrespected him and hurt his massive ego. Josh Sawyer said that it was done to punish players who just mindlessly press the auto win button without actually reading what the dialouge says.
Is killing Dean really that much of a punishment though? He’s like top 3 cuntiest characters in fiction.
tbh dean is an awful fucking person he deserves it
The whole Blood Meridian tie in with the stories was pretty nice for a new vegas setting. Tho itd be cool if you could run with the Glanton gang like the kid then get betrayed
I *thought* that's what "Glanton" was referring to, that's awesome! So there's quest moments related to the story of the novel?
@@jordanromesburg6819 theres for sure characters named after some ones from the book
I came here to comment exactly this. I absolutely wasn’t expecting multiple Cormac McCarthy references in a Fallout NV mod.
I sorta could with the whole new Vegas killer spin off
My favorite part about New Vegas Bounties 3, you can go out after the mod is finished, find Brookshire in the NCR Embassy, and either let him go, where he'll thusly disappear from the game, or just outright kill him, if if you don't give a flying fuck about your rep with the NCR. Killing him nets you nothing, except personal satisfaction and a note that tells you that he had been backed by the Syndicate in his endeavors.
That's such a sick detail wow i had no idea. Thanks for sharing
There is also a few other NPC's that show up in the Mojave post NVB3, like the super mutant bounty can be found in Jacobstown if he's let go, and he thanks you for letting him live, or how if you let the mail bomber live, while he won't appear himself, on one occasion an NCR Courier will arrive at the Strip, and will blow up when getting near the Embassy. That second one I'm not entirely sure on, as it has been some time since I last actually did Brookshire's jobs, but I remember it only occurring after completing NVB3
@@uhglylizard6454 holy shit! HOLY SHIT- this just answered something really weird that happened to me at Mojave Outpost. I was going to repair some armor and a random courier just exploded right outside it.
I checked the note and it was all really vague. I figured it had something to do with the Syndicate but not the unabomber that's wild.
Yeah, I remember going into the NCR embassy to do something for Crocker when I saw Brookshare. Man it felt good giving his head some air conditioning with Sweet Revenge. And I got away with it too, had enough NCR rep to not be hated
Hope you'll review th3overseer's mods too in the future. And I hope that someguys' next mod 'Big in Vegas' will come out soon
I love this
I haven’t heard of them I’m somewhat new to modding on New Vegas and wow there is a lot of mods so it’s not surprising I’m still learning about mods I’ve never heard of any other good recommended quest mods?
someguys' next mod 'Big in Vegas'??
@@White_Tiger93 ?
Someguy is modding again??
The Inheritance is also supposed to take place/be played after NVB2's main quest since it came out afterwards, so the character worship by that point is even more forgivable
The someguy series mods are canon in my mind. Such a great series of mods
They truly do help build out the legend of the Courier
I've always considered them an extension of wild wasteland
Agree, a great filler content that make mojave deserts no longer empty.. although most hated NV Bounties 3.
That's when you know a story is good. When you make it your own canon
@@MrPikaGammer It did the courier being a legend better than The Frontier
Fun fact about bounties 3, it recognizes if you have custom followers with you, and KILLS THEM when you reach that part of the story. Marko even goes ahead and taunts you about it. I had a deathclaw companion from more perks- perkpack which got buried six feet under because of this sequence.
Were you that guy who posted that on like steam forums asking for help because of it 😂😂😂
I was using Willow when I first went through the mod and learned this the hard way lol. Funnily enough it made The Better Angels feel better for me, like I was looking for redemption for my gf dying along with everything that went down with Marko.
Thanks for the heads up.
@@Errow2281 what happens if you just in uninstall and reinstall custom companions?
@@kissmekatut You don't need to go that far. I tried NVB3 again a while later with Willow installed, and she survived just fine when I left her at the house in Novac the mod comes with. Didn't even need to dismiss her, so it should also work with other modded companions as well. Just don't take them with you and you'll be fine.
Nice analysis. Now here's some thoughts as a guy who followed this series way more than he should have.
1. In regards to the language, iirc Someguy said in an interview it's a verbal tic he took after his grandfather, who he mentions having sweared allot. 2. One of the big reasons Bounties 3 suffers is because it's pretty much a bare bones mod he made because he felt obligated to finish it. Marko was supposed to have more depth, and the mod would have had a way to save the town by doing some pretty horrible stuff. And there would have been an ending where you meet Marko YEARS after NV as a dying old man with the option to kill him or not. Instead we got what we got. You mention alot how modders tend to quit after a few projects, Bounties 3 almost made Someguy quit and he's since admitted it's probably his worst. 3 (you thought we were done?). While the funny tape with Bobby is a moment I love, it also has a bittersweetness to it. Towards the end he mentions heading to The Commonwealth which was supposed to set up a Someguy series for Fallout 4. But he was one of the many who was disappointed in it, and found the modding very limited. Which sucks considering most of the problems he listed have since been fixed by modders, but by the time they came out it seems modders stopped caring.
Someguy did mention a while ago he was contemplating making a "season 2" in NV focusing on the Syndicate, but this IS coming from the guy who still hasn't finished his Skyrim series nearly a decade after the first part, so who knows if it will happen.
In conclusion, this mod series is amazing simply because of how much of a bedrock it is for modding as a whole. It would be interesting to see what quest mods today would look like if it was never made.
That is the biggest tragedy of Fallout 4. It's so shit that many modders lost the inspiration to make it better.
@@WSBM14 Yeah, and those that tried were too late. Even though there are ways to make dialogue not four versions of yes, and bringing the old UI, it came out at a time when everyone lost motivation. Even some of the few quest mods that come out in a blue moon don't use those tools because they are basically forgotten cause no one pays attention to mods that aren't big tit presets, or settlement overhauls.
I agree, but still waiting for the Firebase Zulu mod though from him if he still working on it.. really missed his stuff dude.
@@White_Tiger93 I think you should forget about Firebase Zulu ever happening. That mod burned him out big time and I don't think he's inclined to return to it.
@@Krisars Yeah. Iirc it was that mod and NVB3 that almost made him retire due to how difficult there development was.
All of his mods are currently being remastered by Roy Batty and his team (not TTW) with finished VA from the original actors mostly and a lot of stuff revoiced and bug fixed.
Interesting. Do you have a link to the anouncement?
@@Guymanbot97 It's been discussed on the TTW server as well as the Nexus forums. You can find the thread about keeping the British VA for one of the characters on the nexus forums, Hermit posted it.
@@ScottyBrockway I see. Found it after a bit of digging since I'm not in too deep in modding forums. I look forward to it.
@@Guymanbot97 Can I get a link to that little evidence? I can't find it.
@@alalvarez7301 It was for a voice acting call, although there was a recent Someguy bug fix mod that had authour of said mod ask if he could use the mod as a basis to speed up the process
Great breakdown and analysis. Thumbs up!
UnshavenOne (voice actor of Titus Vulcanus, Mathers and Red Bear).
Why are you conflating fallout's tribals with indigenous americans?
It's cuz he's Canadian, and Canadians LOVE self-flaggelating about the aboriginals, even if they've done them no harm themselves.
@@Green-Raccoon777of course it's a leaf.
@@passingrando6457 "A fucking Leaf! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!"
Because he's a Canadian leftist with massive white guilt
He's not conflating anything....if you know anything about the history of the American West and Native culture then you can easily spot the references to real life. The Glanton Gang was a real gang of scalp hunters that murdered and scalped hundreds of Natives back in the 1800s. Judge Holden was also a real member of that gang. The mod author probably read Blood Meridian and these are intentional references to "cowboys and indians".
The criticism is valid and comes with that territory.
The Bobby Bass tape is incredible. Love the bewildered look at the length of the tape.
"That last guy had something going on with babies, and hatches, and-" 🤣
I was enjoying the video then you went on a rant about racistm and shit.
Same
same + he talked shit about my boi liberty prime
'Tribals' in Fallout are only as 'indigenous' as anyone else after the apocalypse. They're not necessarily native Americans/first Nations, in-lore they are literally just tribes of people who banded together post-great war. IIRC the tribes in Zion in the Honest Hearts DLC are descended partly from European tourists.
Right, nobody ever criticized the White Legs tribe and they're practically the same in regards of violence. The towns people don't hate the Sand Wolves because of their tribalism or their "race". They hate them because of how they savagely brutalize everyone that isn't them. It's a good video but he should keep his white guilt to himself since it's not even warranted to the story.
in HH iirc the Sorrows were decendants of kids who escaped Think Tanks experiments in Big MT, so probbably kids of/would be Chinese first generatiom immigrants, Dead Horses dont really have any explanation so it would be reasonable to say they were just a buch of people who formed a tribe around Dead Horse point
@@comradesam3382 Pretty sure Joshua said the Dead Horses come from "The Res" which is basically the Navajo Nation.
From the wiki: "The Res is based on the real-world Navajo Indian Reservation, which was renamed to the Navajo Nation on April 15, 1969. Like its in-game counterpart, it is located to the east of the Grand Canyon and attracts many tourists."
"He tells the Courier that he believes the Dead Horses tribe members were originally refugees from Res, and that their language is a combination of their own and that of travelers who were visiting when the Great war occured."
Also, I disagree with you saying tribals are descended from europeans. They're basically Native Americans/First Nations descendant. We literally teach French, Spanish and German on the Navajo Nation today; and many natives speak their tribe's language and english along with Spanish or German/French. We're required to take classes for speaking Navajo. It's not a stretch to say the natives from that area just survived and continued using the navajo language in combination with the other languages which formed the language we hear the Dead Horses speak. We should also recognize that Native Americans have already gone through near apocalyptic plagues and genocide on a scale unseen and still managed to recognizably survive and keep their cultures. If anyone is prepared to keep their culture alive through a Nuclear war, I'd say it's them, even with the odds stacked against them.
It doesn't matter if they really are "indigenous" to the region or not, what matters is their presentation; their language, clothing, weapons, all of it is clearly meant to allude to and be a representation of real-life Native American groups. They're more or less a stand-in for real Indigenous groups that live in the Southwest United States.
@@Bister_Mungle at least Navajo keep their language alive. There are so few speakers of Sioux dialects that it is almost pointless to even learn it when less than 100k people speak it with any sort of proficiency
I feel like "indigenous" isn't the correct word for most fallout tribals. They're not any more indigenous than anyone else.
It's the way of the the Leaf, they must be absolute cucked in at least some way at all times.
Yeah- "tribal" and "indigenous" are totally different terms. They just happen to coincide in the case of native americans.
I like how PVB and HH do the presentation of tribes being just more victims of the apocalypse like you. It makes you understand that as the reason the New Canaanites protect them in spite of their backwards beliefs.
@@Otterdisappointment Hey, I know you mean well here-- but I would be careful about saying beliefs of an ethnicity are backwards. Obviously these are fictional characters, so there's no real harm done, but beliefs about fiction often bleed over into real life, so it's best to keep cultural relativity in practice irl AND elsewhere.
@@ceasarsalazar5940 Jeez, you politely responded so hard his comment doesn’t exist anymore!
I thought your criticism of the Sand Wolves' treatment was pretty on-point for the most part, but I was surprised you didn't mention the diary entries that are scattered around that give more insight into their culture and history, explaining why they act as hostile as they do. It's not as good as it could be, but they definitely aren't entirely devoid of depth.
It's easier to not do that for the review.
@@gofuckthyself420 come on man, you seriously think he's fabricating stuff? For a Fallout review?
@@jamesmeow3039 yes lol. Even if he didn't he chose to either not include that or he wasn't fully researching what he was reviewing. Which is worse.
@@gofuckthyself420 missing out misc notes is an error I suppose but not one that's particularly relevant. The Sand Wolves are still portrayed 1 dimensionally despite what diaries most players miss says
@@jamesmeow3039 so your ignoring the lore so you can say that?
The sand wolves and the town are in a turf war. You went to the town and have connections to the town, why would the sand wolves talk to you? Let alone give you lore dumps. Ofc the townspeople are going to act like the "tribals" are all savages becuse turf war. If you go to Ukraine and ask them about the Russians they'll say similar things as the townsfolk, becuse war.
I'd recommend trying autumn leaves next. Its probably the only quest mod you can complete without firing a single shot. As for the sand wolves, I'd recommend checking some of the caves in the russel new world space, you might just find an interesting journal.
oh, hes canadian, that explains alot
I personally don't have much of a problem with the whole "imperialism" thing. it's actually quite interesting to me, because nobody really bats an eye at immediately hostile "raider" groups (or vault dwellers or townspeople or "boomers" etc), with no further nuance. it's only problematic when these npcs get renamed to "tribals". which in the world of fallout carries basically 0 weight in-universe. every faction in the game is tribalistic. the only real weight it carries is the players own drawn parallels between the tribal depicted in the game in their own context, and the "indigenous" peoples/cultures in our world and history.
in game, they have the;
same on-sight aggression. same lack of reason to explain the immediate hostility, besides the surmiseable "it's the apocalypse".
so really, it's more of a critique based on your own realworld sensibilities, than based on anything presented to you in-game.
which is absolutely understandable and perfectly fine to feel that way, of course, but levied as a criticism? I'm not sure that's particularly fair.
That aside, fantastic analysis, and cool to find out you're a fellow Canadian! I've been binge watching your videos today, and i thought i heard a bit of the accent in a few instances!
Unironically what's wrong with liking Liberty Prime tho? I get disliking fascism but that doesn't mean you have to like communism/marxism as a response. Communism lead to some of the worst atrocities in history so no, i will keep disliking it unironically just as much as i hate fascism and nazism
Like bruh
yeah, but liberty prime as a writing tool is a really on the nose reference to red scare beliefs.
Dislike communism, that's fair and fine, but it's not the boogeyman that will inevitably take control of a country after mild reform happens to stop people being more afraid of the debt of treatment than untreated symptoms.
It's a joke about reactionary dipshits and how they often play into fascist talking points, conservatives going along and supporting hitler partially because he wanted war with the soviets, for instance.
Also, while communism has lead to terrible things, the one that's actually done damage referred to as vanguardism and is lenin's dictator fetish swirling together with a genuine critique. A more faithful version would be syndicalism, which while worse than Keynesian capitalism, is at least not inherently fucked like the U.S.S.R. and the C.C.P.
You can like liberty prime without LIKING liberty prime
You can find something thats bad or evil in fiction enjoyable without idolising it. There are plenty of people who enjoy, say, Caesars Legion. It becomes an ick when people fetishise the group, thinking they are right.
My biggest confusion on the Ulysses hate is the complaint of "he talks to much and too long"
HE'S LITERALLY THE ONLY MAJOR CHARACTER YOU TALK TO IN THE ENTIRE DLC, IF HE WASN'T LONG WINDED THEN THERE'D BARELY BE ANY DIALOGUE IN THE DLC. Not to mention his dialogue length is less than half than the combined Big Mountain Scientists dialogue length.
The scientists are funny in a campy pulp novel sort of way.
the difference is that Ulysses' dialogue isn't just a lot, its dense. Everything he talks about has weight to the point where it gets so figuratively heavy its exhausting - like a massive exposition dump. The Think Tank's dialogue and the overall story of OWB is relatively light and unchallenging.
Remember that Ulysses is carrying the weight of all three other DLCs, plus the main campaign on his shoulders. Every single story to this point was leading up to this encounter between the two couriers.
I'm also assuming youre combining ALL think tank dialogue into one, right? Not really fair. They are 5 different characters, each with their own cadence, tone and flavor. Ulysses speaks dryly and in a very monotonous, hostile way.
I love Ulysses to death, this is just my take on why people probably dislike him. Its a combination of dry, coldness. Something that doesnt feel justified.
Because Ulysses motivation is stupid. He's basing this monumental decision and attempting to wipe out everyone he can over an accident. He then monologues self righteously for 15+ minutes everytime he takes over ED-E. If the final dialogue box didn't have a shut up and fight option he'd monologue even longer.
People think he's some deep and interesting character because he has a gravelly voice in the most brown dlc of the brown game in the first real ending of a serious game they've ever played, and he's just a dingus. The ending is a less harsh van Buren ending because obsidian wanted to shoe horn it in.
@@Alex-dr1ez "he's just a dingus" perfectly sums up my thoughts on his character throughout my first playthrough
I feel he suffers from how his dialogue is structured more than anything else.
Instead of it being spread out well, it is basically an exposition monologue after every area. If they broke it up better, made him monologue a bit less, and so on, it would work wonders.
I feel like while Someguy has regrets over the Sand Wolves Portrayal, how it is, how they are portrayed as being utterly and totally hostile, nearly animalistic, paired against both Glanton's brutalism against "savages" and the town's venomous hate against the sandwolves shows a weird but great dynamic of everyone being wrong for the right reasons?
You and your Pal Russel here seem to be the only human souls amongst the lot of these groups in carruthers canyon.
It's a turning of fallout dynamics on it's head again, similarly to the Bradley "fight" in the inheritance bunker.
The Sandwolves, not all tribes, but them really are utterly hostile. they are still human. Same for the NCR settlers in the town.
No one is correct, all are wrong, and they have credible reasons for thinking and acting how they do.
Both the Sandwolves and Glanton kill infants.
Silverpeak is full of bigotry brought on through fear, but it's credible fear, and they're the most "innocent" among the groups there.
I feel like its supposed to be a no-win scenario, you try to make it out as "best" as you can, which i think is not siding with Glanton, and helping the town to fight the legion, which then gives Russel, your friend, some peace at the end as he faces off against his centurion tormentor.
This was a lot of rambling just to say i understand your feelings on the Sandwolves but it's a good portrayal of brutalism in the west, Blood Meridian style, but from it, and this whole excursion, your friend Russell does find some measurement of self improvement. His name is the Mod afterall.
It's based off Cormac McCarthy's novel "Blood Meridian" and the real, historical "Glanton gang" who killed thousands of indigenous people in northern Mexico and southwestern USA. The mod does not condemn Manifest Destiny, imperialism, and genocide as much as the book does. I think someguy may have read the novel and wasn't able to translate it's political/social commentary, and the mod ended up the way it was as a result.
@@UberSchluh I know it has basis in Blood Meridian, that's why I made the comparison. And while it doesn't have a one to one correlation in terms of practice, the message is still the same. Condemnation of manifest destiny but a equal condemnation of what one can equate, in simple terms, to savagery.
McCarthy is against Manifest Destiny, but then gets to it's root, that anyone or thing can be capable and has shown to be capable of "that". Greed and savagery and violence and "evil".
It's the same in the mod, The sandwolves are having their land being encroached upon, yes, but Silverpeak DID try diplomacy and it didn't work, it was met with brutalism, and such evil begets evil begets evil and so on and so forth, the role of the player and Russell is the intention to stop that cycle, but in the end, instead of putting the entire world on your shoulders, you put an end to the PERSONAL "cycle of evil" that has harmed Russell for a large portion of his life, his slavery and torture and his disillusionment.
@@captainscowllyface Very true! Its been sometime since I played the mod and I had not considered the affinities between the Courier/Russell and the Kid.
In the novel, once the Judge becomes the de facto leader, violence begets violence not for sake of monetary gain but for sake of violence itself, 'War is God' and all that. Arguably this was already in place with Glanton, but it reaches its apex in the final third of the novel. What I do not think the mod can recreate, possibly due to its position in the larger world of New Vegas, is the idea that the Judge is some universal constant of violence, a self-correcting system of bloodlust that covers everything in existence. Look at the end of the novel, and the final interaction with the Judge and the Kid: if this had some equivalent in the mod, I doubt many would have liked it. Perhaps the fact that the ideal solution is unattainable is the closest means of rendering that affect.
The idea that the NCR, seeking to recreate the structural and institutional aspects of the USA, will fall into the same issues, is very pronounced in the base game. Even their interactions with the Great Khans could arguably be making the same statement regarding indigenous groups, although the Great Khans differ from Fallout 'tribes' in several ways. I think it would be interesting to see this mod remade with more attention paid to the issues discussed in the video and comments. However, since New Vegas quest mods will be expected to function in the larger narrative of the base game (hence why recreating the end of Blood Meridian is untenable), a one-to-one correlate of the novel's thematic sequence is unlikely to take place.
@@UberSchluh I think In a way it would be worse if it did correlate so accurate and closely, it is more an echo or reference then a full on adaptation, such as their already being "The Judge" at the end of Bounties 1, and they are not some vaguely supernatural, semi omnipotent force like the novel, but still a very evil, stalwart, monster of a man.
I feel Russell's ending is for the Better with all things considered. The vagueness at it's end I think holds to it a great weight, not just as a correlation to blood meridian, but it's play on fallout ideals and practices. There is no clean way to complete Russell. You can't talk the sandwolves down, you can't convince Silverpeak to give up, nor can the legion be avoided. Violence will occur, there is no peaceful option that much of New Vegas can cater towards.
Someguy2000 has done a lot of subversion of fallout practices in his works. In that way, I think the ending is great.
You sorta just scraped by, it wasn't clean no matter what your options were for glanton or Silverpeak, but you and Russell for our of there, and you and he are better for it.
Yeah he was way off. Irl there was many cases where natives were the ones who started violence
Russell doesn't even remotely imply colonialist extermination is okay, even if it would have definitely benefited from greater interaction with the sand wolves prior to the legion attack. The town being treated as resoundingly unpleasant and Russell (himself a victim first of Legion imperialism and then later the NCR's) stabbing the mayor to death before leaving in disgust aren't mild context clues.
Plus, yknow, Glanton being named after an infamous historical scalphunter.
And a character from Cormac McCarthy's novel Blood Meridian along side The Judge.
Bobby Bass is incredibly underrated. Seriously some of the best dialog ive ever seen in a game or mod
I don't want it to seem like I'm casting aspersions, but... it's hard to _not_ notice the similarities between Bobby Bass and Roy Sullivan from the Eliza mod. I'm not saying so-and-so copied what's-his-nuts, because both Bass and Sullivan are depictions of a character archetype. Still, the similarities between the two characters are un-missable. heh
Most authentic dialogue. I could genuinely think this is real
The thing I hate the most about NVB3 Is the fact that I'm being judged for actions I had no choice for in NVB1, I get 2 because I had a choice there so fair enough, but for NVB1 I could only kill.And also I hate the fact that you can murk marko and then the game is like " lol courier got shit kicked in, everyone think he coward and dumb and weak and stupid and dumb enjoy the end " though without those issues decent mod.
Fr he was really that unwilling to let's his character look weak in any way and it forces your character into been obsessed with thier "legend"
Not forgetting most of your targets are the most evil people that could exist
@@mayalewis2956 The funny part is that the whole "I ruined your legend" thing in NVB3 doesn't even work right.
Because, in the run where you kill Marko, you have the Courier buried in a shallow grave for a second time, rising again, slaughtering a saloon full of bounty hunters in a massive gunfight, before facing down Marko in single combat and emerging triumphant, all while bearing the injuries Marko gave them.
That's *exactly* the sort of shit that'd show up in those dime novels that are apparently being written about the Courier. That's downright *cinematic* in how amazing a story it sounds.
Marko couldn't even ruin your legend right.
I mean yeah the people in the town refer to the Sand Wolves in horrible terms, but the mod makes it pretty clear it is because they've both screwed each other over the past couple of years and are pretty much in a state of constant warfare. The raided farmstead outside the town has several notes detailing their interactions with the tribe. If anything it's fitting that they both hate each other.
and you find a note by a fallower where he is so terriified about what the ncr are gonna do to the sand wolves when they find out there are silver in the mines.
Between you either missing, or intentionally omitting notes from Russell's mod that would completely invalidate your takes on how the sand wolves are portrayed, intentionally misleading people by claiming that the mod says that colonialism is good actually, and the weird diatribe halfway through about people LARPing as the Enclave or Liberty Prime, I can tell that while you clearly enjoyed the series, you have about as much media literacy as your average twitter user. It's almost unbelievable that you could've missed some of the plot points that you have, which leads me to believe you purposely left them out to spin a narrative. So you're either lazy, and didn't do the bare minimum of playing through the mods fully, ie. reading the notes that contain massive chunks of lore, or you're maliciously spinning them to suit your worldview, and I can't really decide which is worse.
I’d say intentionally leaving out the notes that contradict his moral spew is worse because he’s supposed to be doing a review of the mods which means he’s supposed to do everything in the mod to make a full detailed video and when you factor in this guys does this weird grandstanding in all his videos he most likely left it out so he can still ride the high horse
Someguy series have never left my load order. my character's story starts with New California and ends with the Someguy2k series.
Interestingly, NV proper does have some ways to "fail" by succeeding skill checks. Pretty infamously, succeeding a barter check when you meet Dean Domino at the beginning of Dead Money will instill in him the same narcissistic psycho-grudge he had for Sinclair and he'll try and murder you when he gets the chance later for acting "better" than him. There's not much way to know this will happen, though - it only becomes clear as you find out more about Dean and the Sierra Madre that his neurosis makes him incredibly vindictive over real or imagined slights.
Then there’s passing a 55 speech check in the quest young hearts.
isn't that specifically for shitters who find it funny? I don't really see how that counts as a "failed" skill check compared to DM, which is the only ACTUAL unintentional fail.@@changvasejarik62
sorry but i couldn't like the video after your analysis of sand wolves and imperialism, its completly wrong and you missed the point of everything, im not trying to sound mean but please ignore your american black and white views on imperialism and stuff so you can get the bigger picture, neither town nor sand wolves are good or bad, that indian thing after analysis was completly uneeded and felt like you're trying to be good guy while someguy is bad guy that vouches for imperialism, be more open minded please.
PS: darn shame you didn't menton the Red Bear bounty, probably the best bounty and side quest of the mods, highly recommend it.
18:26 that’s actually a reference to “al sweargengen” a historical figure and a character from the show deadwood which had a lot of cussing in it as well
Yeah, except he's not nearly as good a writer as the guys from Deadwood, so it just comes off as a cheap imitation. The swearing in Deadwood is downright poetic and is woven into the iambic pentameter.
Hilarious, a violent tribe being violent is "disgusting" to you. tribes like that exist there have been numerus first hand accounts of families being butchered by violent tribals. And if you want a "good representation" of tribals in a fallout mod, you're being silly
Tribes in fallout arent even the same thing as like, native americans or whatever either. Its a post apocalyptic society filled with psychos.
stop virtue signaling man
This video is actually a dream come true for me, I've always wanted to see someone analyze the themes of these mods (or quest mods in general) and also how they fit into the game as a whole. It feels like all of these old quest mods were only really reviewed for their gameplay and not really discussed for anything deeper.
I've wanted to make my own reviews in this style for a long while, but this is a lot better than what I had in mind!
I thought this video was great, I really liked your perspective on this series and I really hope to see you tackle some other older mods that have gone untouched over the years! (Beyond Boulder Dome comes to mind.)
Thank you so much!!!!
You should make those videos! One of the things I worried about the most when I started was doing something someone else had already done. My first (now deleted) video was around an idea that someone had made and uploaded only a few days before mine. That creator and I connected, and we both learned a lot from each others' takes on the idea. Every person is different and as such every person will make different videos, even if on the same topic.
Thank you again for such a thoughtful and kind comment :)
EDIT: i'm working on two projects at the moment, and one of them may or may not be boulder dome... maybe.
Someguy2000 just deleted his Nexus mods account, we have lost a real one today.
actually devastating
Oh no i killed this womans husband...... you mean the crazy raider sniper.... ya no #3 gets way to self rightuous.
If you liked that recording you should've gone for the New Vegas Killer mod as well.
Another small tidbit i liked is the whole point with "Sweet Revenge" having a unique dialogue choice with Marco in the final confrontation. And yes i suppose the locale was supposed to be a Western homage, of the highest kind of homages. (too much of a homage of The Good the Bad and the Ugly.
I carried Sweet Revenge ever since I completed Bounties 1 and when I found out that Marko actually recognized Randall's piece before I used it to paint the snow with him was a mind blowing touch for a single NV mod
Very weird section of you waxing over your own guilt about historical grievances when talking about a videogame mod
Deserved like a few short sentences at most to acknowledge that its still an ongoing issue
Feels like I just watched you go at yourself with a ninetails
25:50 listen I would love your channel mate but please just keep out the random stuff like “stonetoss bad” or how you disagree with someone cause of a funny enclave pfp. If you want to hate them fine, just don’t shove it in our faces randomly
he is kind of right about enclave pfps, they are the anime pfps of the fallout community. if making fun of retarded dipshits triggers you feel free to unsub. I feel like these remarks were purposefully included to drive the cringey fallout fans away.
man, you went in matter of 10 min from having my interest to cringing me out. The Natives thing was bad enough but then you move on from it and go off another deep end virtue signal.
19:50 If you think imperialism is 100% evil, you are foolish😂
I’m sure many starving tribes in around the world wouldn’t mind getting forcefully assimilated into a functioning society after a decade of modern food and medicine
Obligatory reminder that India's period of bitching about British Colonialism started when the British banned burning widows alive, ended when the British set up infrastructure, water, rail lines, and started up again after everyone who had benefited from it were dead or nearly so and their descendants needed a verbal club to guilt the British with.
So far the only Someguy I've actually played is King of the Ring. After seeing youtubers fail to beat it without cheating, or even fail to beat it with moderate cheating. It's challenging, but nowhere near impossible with an actual unarmed build (Piercing strike, Stonewall, Super Slam, Slayer, Unstoppable force) and the right non-melee perks (Rad Child, Toughness, NEMEAN subdermal armor)
I managed to beat it by using implant GRX and wailing on them while circle strafing
DOn't forget to learn all of the secret unarmed techniques from Veronica Lucius, etc.
@@alexanderlaird6206 Didn't use too many of them, but theybcan be useful, my friend and I ade it a bit of a contest
You seem to have completely neglected the Sandwolves lore. There’s a perfectly reasonable explanation why they’re so hostile to outsiders. It was pretty much another case of cultural contamination from a Follower of the Apocalypse missionary, the same type of situation that led to the Blackfoot tribe becoming the Legion. Also I disagree with their classification as “indigenous” everyone in Fallout tribal or not is equally indigenous, these aren’t “first peoples” we’re talking about here, these are descendants of the survivors of the Great War just like everyone else in the Wasteland, the sole difference is their society formed away from Urbanized areas, and is more tribalistic as a result. Also the Enclave rant didn’t really fit into the video, it’s fine to have your own opinions but it’s strange to get so upset over it. Most Enclave fans are just trolls anyways, they’re just having a laugh at the expense of people like yourself who seemingly get at least a little bit offended about it. Don’t take the bait.
People get really mad when any tribal person is portrayed as violent and unreasonable and the hero of the story is the one killing them. Happened with Bone Tomahawk when it came out. Some people were even complaining during the honest hearts dlc that it portrayed the natives as either needing a white man and his 'whire man religion' for help or being absolute savages who were easily manipulated into violence. Though they seem to forget that the White Legs were always violent, they were just more effective with Caesars aid.
Plus all the stuff you said, tribals doesn't mean what it means in the real world. Heck, the Khan's are called tribals. Not to mention, you don't call yourself the Sandwolves unless you had fangs from the get go.
You ask me which side is right between a barbaric tribe of Caesars cronies and a town full of people ranging in morality, I'll choose the people who aren't wearing a dog head.
@@RoosterFloydyou gotta admit tho that wearing wolf heads are cool
@@AZOMBIEGUY Yao Guai head would be cooler.
@@RoosterFloyd why not both? Dude a deathclaw skull helmet would be kick ass
@@AZOMBIEGUY That right there is a badass idea.
Didnt have time to watch the whole thing - does he ever realize that Blood meridian heavily inspired 90% of the NVB writing?
No, he's a mid-wit who can't bother to read the _in game_ notes that flesh out characters and factions, why would he pick up on that?
I'd say you spent too long of a time on the indigenous topic. Who cares. It's a video game. And it's a video game where tribals are descendants of the pre-war citizens of America. It's not that deep
Yeah, came of a little weird.
What is up with Canadians and being butt mad about enclave trolling
21:30 How is shit talking murderers racist lol im out
It isn't and he's clearly having a reddit moment about it.
my palms were sweaty when i walked in to the cementery at the end of NVBIII, was hyped af
Jesus Christ man you oughta chill and not let that stuff bother you so much
26:07 virgin doesn't understand that power armour is cool
For the record, the story also seems to forget Tom Quigley, seeing as he was crazy and had a note that showed he intended to murder his wife due to the syphilis.
Also, I can appreciate a fellow Bobby Bass enjoyer, man's a riot.
His wife and children are in Bounties III, 38:03
@@DefinitelyNotATrolldier Yeah, they are. But the story treats him like he was a Noble mobster when he's got a holotape that's utter nonsense but basically amounts to wanting to kill his wife.
@@DefinitelyNotATrolldier yeah, but the game treats your murder of Tom as if he was completely innocent. As if he only did what he did to get food on the table. You can't tell them that he was crazy and actually tried to murder his wife.
@@zoltanbojan8035 I feel like even Someguy2000 forgot that, after all, he had made many mods before Bounties III, there's details he'd miss, he's only human.
Very fitting for how marko is written tbqh. He's trying to make you feel bad about an unambiguously justified kill and you can't even tell the dude to stfu.
That tangent about tribals and fans of the Enclave really came outta left field and broke my focus on the video almost immediately.
I get you may have gripes with certain themes, characters or fans. And you can voice them reasonably like you otherwise have. But try not to get overly emotional about it.
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Could have done without the tankie BS splattered throughout, but otherwise great review
I don't think there's a problem with how the Sand Wolves are portrayed. Even in the world of Fallout, there have been tribes that are essentially evil. The White Legs, for instance, just go around raiding and killing because they're incapable of living off the land. The most you can do in Honest Hearts is show mercy to their leader, but they aren't a nuanced group by any means. The White Glove Society is a group of reformed cannibalistic tribals who used to drag people underground to eat them, and the Omertas were once a tribe known as the Slither Kin (yes, like literal fucking backstabbing snakes) whose whole gimmick was inviting hapless travelers to feast with them before drugging and either murdering or enslaving them. If anything the lack of nuance with the Sand Wolves is more of a missed opportunity than anything actually offensive. In the world of Fallout there are good tribes and there are bad tribes, and the Sand Wolves fall into the latter category.
"the tribe is treated as backwards evildoers by the characters in game"
"the only time you see or interact with the tribe is evidence of them being backwards evildoers"
> have you considered that the tribe might actually just be backwards evildoers and we can accept that without having to try and heavy handedly mirror that onto unrelated real world issues?
are you aware that things like that are written by actual people? there's a reason why it was written this specific way man. also, fucking hilarious seeing this idiotic take combined with the 4chin funny arrow on youtube.
We also have real accounts of tribals like these in real life, your point? @@Camoedine
25:30
You good there buddy? Really hope youre not stating the Knights Templar were a bunch of facist genocidal maniacs. If so I have several historical texts you might be interested to read.
Also on the Enclave part if you have not heard of The Omega Initiative on TH-cam Id reccomend checking him out as he will take every piece of Enclave lore and lay it out in a good way with some context in how it was initially set up to be and where we got to where we are currently in the timeline. Interesting stuff as it made me rethink a few things beyond the blanketed evil facist blanket statements. Lets face it we enjoy Fallout for its choice and writing. Seems like bad writing to have an organization thats evil to be evil and make decisions that make no sense beyond it being evil
The comparison with the knights is that reactionary, racist enclave 4chan dudes love the power armour because it resembles the knights, a group, (whether there is any historical backing for or not), to them represents the white, western culture they care for so deeply.
I also think they love the armour because they're all deeply insecure and it hides their faces but that's even deeper speculation lol
Haven't heard of that channel i'll give it a look
@@ramblelime Ah okay fair. I just researched a lot into Medieval History and the Crusades for better context from primary first hand accounts due the misinformation I was always exposed to growing up.
I thoroughly do enjoy your videos as a writer of fan made Fallout projects and enjoyer of mods its extremely beneficial to me to see these mods reviewed rather thoroughly than just the, "wow this mod is good play this". I thank you for your videos and hope you continue producing these for years to come
@@A_Moustached_Sock that means a ton. Thank you
@@ramblelime i'm not gonna stand here and listen to you badmouth the greatest democracy the world has ever known
@BalaclavaMilitantProductions Im sorry might need more context on where you are going with that
Complains about people who "have the worst takes on the internet".
Proceeds to rant about his awful take.
Why do you care how virtual tribes are treated in a game?
"Why do people care about pixels on a screen?"
"Why do you care about drawn characters in comics - you know its not real right?"
21:00 Wish I could teleport you back in time to a frontier settlement so you can go and talk with the natives.
it's like people forget scalping was an actual thing.
@@megamike15 not to mention the kind of thing that would happen to the women and children.
This part of the video seemed so damn contrived and condescending.
Bro did you seriously just say the Enclave were fascists unironically
they are an obvious allegory, but I can see the argument for them not being fascist since there are some differences
they are coded that way. yes they are the former us government but the way they are written in fallout 2 and 3 have clear natzi influences.
Christ, you went off the deep end in the middle there.
While some parts of the video are good, it would be better if you are less preachy about your political leanings. That sudden tantrum about the Enclave PFPs and "people who like Liberty Prime unironically" was gratuitous and unnecessary (and, IMO, cringy).
I consider the someguy series more canonical than fallout 4 and 76
Facts! As much as I love FO4 gameplay wise (especially taking over settlements in Nuka World!) The story absolutely sucks ass (except Far Harbour which is _decent)_
10:28 I agree that skill or special checks shouldn't always be auto win button but [Taunt] dialogue isn't a special or skill check, it's obvious a fight option, NV already has [Attack] dialogue so I don't think that's a good example. A good example would be if it was speech check and you got punished for trying to bad mouth a boss.
Fun fact: Steven Randall is a reference to the 1950s Western show "Wanted Dead Or Alive", starring Steve McQueen as "Joshua Randall", a bounty hunter who frequently uses his earnings to help desperate or less fortunate people.
Someguy loves his (Actor's first name) (character's surname) character references. Tom Quigley, the first bounty, is likewise a reference to Tom Selleck and Quigly Down Under.
22:10 Tribals in the mod are savage and violent and you want a reason to like them? i dont understand your problem with this, the tribals are depicted as hostile to outsiders just like raiders, yet i dont think you would start to ramble about raiders being depicted as ruthless and savage, even if we compare it to the native american tribes there were savage and ruthless tribes and there were tribes that were not like that, this happens to be a very hostile tribe.
The best thing these mods achieved was to establish that it's possible to have interwoven stories across multiple entries with varying effects on gameplay based on decisions previously made.
personally I think _th3overseer_ produced the more enjoyable series but Someguy2000's work cannot be ignored since it inspired much of what came along later.
In terms of fitting in with the story of New Vegas, the series can be mostly integrated since the base game already lends itself to embracing the life of a bounty hunter. You have places like Primm which need a sheriff to bring law and order back to the streets and in North Vegas you have to help out the settlement in order to find out information about a missing person. Then there's checking on Nipton, freeing slaves in Cottonwood Cove and even solving a territorial dispute between the NCR and Jacobstown. The game was _built_ for roleplaying the post-western bounty hunter!
I view theoverseer as directly inspired by Someguy2000 but with a much better understanding of the game engine, and having far more resources available in the modding scene that someguy200 simply had no access to.
@@zacharyfeldman6822 I feel the writing is somewhat better too, but that sort of falls off with Depths of Depravity. I enjoy both series.
@@kushanblackrazor6614 to each thier own i consider dephs his best work.
hahahha LOL
the townsfolk are right about the savages
its a kill or get killed world
they are also based on the white legs who do the exact same thing.
@@megamike15 exactly
Nerd reviewer
'Look at me standing on a moral High Horse about people who disagree with me'- The author of this video.
Whats with the victim complex?
the part about the indians is so whiny and preachy and dishonest,really doesnt fit with the rest of your video
It even aged hilariously bad. The native church burial sites he references turned out to all be fake. It’s almost like current event politics just shouldn’t be brought into video games.
if you thought that doesn't fit, wait until he goes on some weird ass rant about people using enclave profile pictures.
@@doots2843 yeah i reached it and disliked and closed the video
Great video just really confused on the addition of the native Americans and power armor rant, just super left field imo.
The native American rant feels justified with it being related to the mod essentially forcing you to wipe them out while using racist language to describe them. That one wasn't at all out of left field, the power armor thing though felt like venting and probably should have been left unsaid for the sake of the video.
@@LordFinaiit’s Blood Meridian. The whole thing was a Blood Meridian reference, not a commentary on real world events.
@@spyguy888 I’ve never even heard of blood meridian before, how the hell was I supposed to know it was a reference?
@@LordFinai I didn’t mean it to be in a hostile way. Just saying that it’s a reference. The book is about the Glanton gang who got paid to hunt and scalp native Americans who were attacking travelers (it gets a lot darker but that’s the main idea). And Judge Holden from the book is also the guy mentioned in the funny audio recording later in the video who “has a things for little kids and hatchets”.
@@spyguy888 it seemed accusatory, like how dare you not know it’s a reference and thus think it’s supposed to parallel IRL social injustices. It’s hard to read tone in text format
Not sure the uninteressting rant about political bullshit and online drama was really necessary in the video
>adds politics writing in a game with politics writing
>criticizes said political writing because it lacks nuance that was present in the base game
>"WOW EEEERMMMM WHY DID U TOUCH ON THAT UHHMMM THAT WAS REALLY UNNECESSARY"
@@arthurg.calixto3338 bro this wasn't criticizim the dude went on an entire rant over-extrapolating and starting some life story about him no one cares about
Crazy fact about Russel that makes me sad: you can actually find a note in the Sand Sharks' village from one of the tribe's elders, and it turns out: the mayor was lying. They weren't a bunch of savages who refused to negotiate, he never even tried. Glanton was able to talk them into bringing out all their most vulnerable people because they blindly trusted him -- a stranger. They killed people because the mayor was aggressing against them for territory, and the reason they were taking the kids is because they didn't want to kill them but didn't know another way.
What a narrative difference a single note can make. 😢
Look into blood meridian, it's a legendary book about a gang of native killers called the glanton gang I believe this is a reference to it
Bowdrie: "You're dumber than you look, kid. Did you really expect to get the drop on a seasoned Ranger?"
(A pre-positioned force of Boone, Russell, Hope Lies, and Eliza, along with myself and Mole Rat, all open fire on Bowdrie and his two pals with suppressed Marlin 1894s)
Me: "That's the rumor."
lol For real, I always had my companions surround the shack behind cover and lure him into a trap
You gave him the John Marston death lol
One thing i found interesting in the inheritance is, when those fiends kidnap the kid, there is a secret ending to it.
Spoilers.
If you complete all the bounty quest for the NCR to kill the fiend leaders. you can pass a speech check with the fiends who grabbed the kid and get them to leave without giving them caps, or the kid dying.
Edit: forgot this, but you also need to kill motor runner, so you need to kill all 4 fiend leaders.
Thx, gonna try that next time
@@mettatonfanboy I forgot to add this, but you also need to kill motor runner.
@@leon02356 well that never was a problem
@@mettatonfanboy also for another secret,
if you pay the ransom or talk the fiend down, wait a few days then revisit one of the locations added by the mod and the fiend will become a mini boss.
All the bleeding heart politics in a video game mod review is also VERY tiresome.
This is Fallout: New Vegas motherfucker its all bleeding heart politics
Sorry three minutes of an hour-long video, wherein the content introduced political themes, discussed said political themes and why the representation of them wasn’t great and perpetuated negative perceptions.
@@Grahamster04how is it negative when it is also usually accurate
25:54 maybe its because they have an ounce of testosterone in their body lmao
I always forget that this channel only has around 5k subscribers because the quality of your video essays are on par with channels with 100s of thousands of subs, this is absolutely one of my favorite series on youtube and I always look forward to seeing new videos from you! I know for a fact your channel is going to blow up at some point!!
I appreciate that a ton. I've got a long way to go, but that being said, I've also got a lot more mods to go through. Thank you for your support ♥️
I'd watch the rest of this but I don't want a political lecture.
In regards to the treatment of natives, I know more nuance would have been cool, but there existed IRL some tribal nations that were absurdly hostile to everyone else, like the Comanche, who thrived on killing and scalping everyone who wasn’t one of their own (including other natives) so its not like its completely out of the question that a similar mentality could exist in the retro post apocalypsm for one specific tribe (that isn’t native american to boo, just backwards survvors)
Bobby Bass goes hard.
Bobby Bass is literally just a stand-up routine disguised as a character in a mod and I love it so much.
ah around 41:08 we get a sliver of Bobby Bass' wonderful routine. Love to hear it. :)
Bobby Bass is canon to me and always will be. Motherfucker, he WALKED!
Petition to get a 1hr video about "bad muthafucka"
the voice acting for bradley was god tier loved every second of The Inheritance
I was so sad when he died, not the best voice-acted character in the series 😭