Arrancar Ichigo and Kubo's Message About Depression| Bleach Character Analysis| Flame of Rebirth
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- Continuing our series on Ichigo, it's time we take a look at Arrancar Ichigo, one who was surprisingly more controversial than I thought. While many did not appreciate "emo" Ichigo or "depressed" Ichigo, I think that it is important to look at what Kubo tried to convey through the character of Ichigo at the time. I hope you enjoy the video!!
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I love how you perfectly explained Kubo's message about depression and how it completely works in the case of Bleach and Ichigo's character and for many people. That's a great video. BUT the reality is it's actually more complex than that so I want to bring more. Let me explain. I think your analysis is completely correct but I also think that it's incomplete or rather one sided I should say in the grand scheme of things outside of Bleach. The reality is people don't have the same needs. As you said, Rukia didn't give Ichigo actual solutions to solve his problems but only encouraging words to make him feel better that you can hear in many animes. And it's indeed well intentioned and could work in theory but it lacks concrete solutions and a coherent plan. That's what I would call toxic positivity, giving you a fake state of confidence which can actually be more detrimental. The logical right thing to do then would be to give practical solutions to help Ichigo to actually solve his problems and end is depression as you concluded in this video. And yes it's true but it's only partially true. You may think encouraging messages and inspirational speeches are useless in the end then, because it solves nothing in actuality. But that's where you would be partially wrong. Imagine the reversed problem. Your friends only gave you the practical solutions to your problem, a coherent plan to achieve it and the methodology. In theory you might think that's all you need to finally succeed and potentially end a depression state since you have a clear path to follow right ? But in actuality that's not that simple. It's not because you have the practical solutions to a problem that you can automatically follow it. And it's not necessarely simply following these practical steps that will help you to feel better or to solve your depression state if your mental state is still not strong enough to solve it and if you don't even believe in your ability to apply it. You could think that receiving the tangible solutions to a problem will naturally give you the determination and the ability to solve it then but it will not work the same way for everyone. In fact, for others it's by finally receiving the support and the nice words they need to hear that they'll have the determination and good state of mind to find these practical solutions to a problem. The thing is it worked in Ichigo's context because practical solutions were exactly what was lacking for him in order to end his own problems. But everyone doesn't work the same way. Other people don't have the motivation or the confidence to apply a coherent plan that they nevertheless already have in mind or even have insecurities which make them wrongly doubt about the success of the solutions they already have. And even if they push themselves to overcome the hardships, what would it change ? The insecurities would still be there for the next ones, the same fears, the same stress, maybe even worse with time. We can wonder what would have happened to Ichigo if instead of only receiving emotional support from Rukia he would only have directly received the practical solutions from her. Would he have had the courage or the determination to achieve it in the end ? Despite having the concrete solutions, you still can't always solve the problem because the solutions don't solve the problem for you. It's incomplete. It's up to you to be able to apply it correctly. And having solutions to a problem on a surface level doesn't solve the deeper underlying problems. That's why despite the apparent empty structure of Rukia's words or many nice words from characters in anime or even in real life, they're actually useful. As said, they make you feel better. They give you confidence and a general attitude to keep in order to succeed. It's just also incomplete. And you scratched the surface of it when you rightly pointed out that "nice words will only go so far and unless it adresses the root of the problem, it's only nothing but a temporarly relief method" which is totally true but the same goes when you keep giving practical solutions to tangible problems when the root of the problem is actually yourself. That's why you always need both in the end: not only encouraging and sentimental words and not only practical and coherent solutions. Maybe some won't agree but you have to imagine someone who lack what you already have that you take for granted to understand. That brings me to the final point which is that having tangible solutions will not help everyone to end a depression state because what some need to do it is precisely to hear these nice encouraging words and inspirational speeches which give them the necessary will. These sentimental words and speeches in diverse animes. Exist for one reason. They are specifically directed to people who lack confidence, struggle to deal with anxiety and negativity or are very sensitive. These are completely useless for other types of person however. But the best will always be to convey both at the same time as said by Kubo: "nice words" which "adresses the root of the problem".
Masterfully said.
Exactly! What Rukia said served him in an important way that Flame did not mention, Ichigo at that point had never lost, he managed to stop Grand Fisher, saved Rukia and stopped hundreds of hollows, but still could not protect Orihime.
The important point of Rukia's message is not what she says, but the situation in which she says it, Ichigo is facing a basic hollow and he can't defeat it, Rukia's words were not to eliminate his depression, but to make him see that as long as he stays defeated he couldn't fight again, not even against a hollow.
Depression, suicide, addictions and mistakes can be corrected but first you must accept that you must change, that is the most important message, of course Rukia does not have the answer, Ichigo must find it on his own.
Sure Grimmjow defeats him but he never stops fighting, he gets knocked down and always gets up again, Rukia awakened in Ichigo that spark that he no longer had.
Speaking of different needs it's also relevant to orihime even if i think there's a gap in execution and i myself was guilty of not recognizing that.
Orihime felt inadequate because rukia managed to get ichigo of his lethargic depression while she could not. However she is later told in this arc by rukia that it doesn't invalidate her: Rukia can help him emotionally in things that orihime cannot(giving him tough love, "bro" type motivational push) but the reverse is also true, Orihime is the quiet friend(later lover) that he can return to.
Orihime also goes through similar inadequacies as ichigo: her attack power got broken for the second time, and it's clear that it is absolutely not suited for the battles ahead. Even then Orihime works alongside Rukia to train and be more useful on a practical level beyond her healing
It kinda gets undermined by the fact orihime is ultimately damselled in the later arc, however, it does ultimately payoff, even if it's not as flashy as other characters, in actual results she definitly got it better than someone like Chad
Frightening how the human psyche is as complex as you just described.
the crazy thing is ichigo is a realstic anime mc he goes thru the motions yea he appears cool to most cus hes trying to keep it together the depression from white is good char development on kubos part just imagine ur inner demon tryna take over u and kill everyone
I agree, which is why I also appreciate the Fullbring arc so much
Most of his struggles in that arc are emotional & psychological, and despite being one of the strongest beings from three different realms, at the end of the day, he is still a human with real & relatable human struggles
It seems the older I get, the more I come to appreciate Ichigo's character, especially when compared to other MCs
ichigo is not realistic in the slightest
ichigo is the most relatable mc by far .luffy is not as "relatable"cause theres moments where hes absolutely inhuman ,but when before the time skip ,kuma teleported all his friends and he was breaking down and asking his friends to run away ,.he was so out of character but it proves that hes still just human ,.same wiith aces death ,and same with his personality of not helping unless help is asked for ,.but ichigo is far more human ,.hes rooted in being human
@@xnortheast1106 yes he is
@@NeonForceGetsuga I agree though I think Naruto goes through a lot a lot sometimes he gets depressed and sometimes he doesn't have all the answers and sometimes he needs others to uplift him of course he's very idealistic but for me I think that's what he needs if he's gonna try to solve world peace and to pick himself up because for a long time he really only has himself and even then not all of his ideas or attitudes work the first time, Maybe I'm misunderstanding what your meaning but yeah
I've always said this, Rukia has always been Ichigo's hypeman but not as emotional support
Yammy's massacre in the park really set the general tone of the arc, it mixes with the moody and depressed state Ichigo is in and serves as foreshadowing to how things will lethally escalate in the coming war with Aizen and his forces. Ichigo's Hollow becoming a sinister blot on his psyche serves as acknowledgement that there is such darkness within, but it is conqurable.
They could have made more impact in that scene by showcasing the deaths but it's a shounen and in that time you know if bleach done that it may have ended way before .
Same for the anime , but the anime just made it worse by removing blood and injuries from characters.
I really think , if bleach was made know without censorship , it would have been more impactful both the manga and anime . But it is what it is . I don't have problem but those who hates bleach from their core will use this arguments as way to prove their point and they are not wrong .
That's why I love this arc. The start of Arrancar Saga is one of my favourites in whole of anime. The fact that Ichigo was depressed and has fear of losing himself really solidify his character for him and make me even more interested in the show.
There is one important lesson. Ichigo learned to use his hollow, the source of his fears, powered by despair. His hollow was what he feared... but he eventually learnt to use that dark side of him in a controlled way, he learnt that he may help others while being... a monster. And it is important to kinda... be partners with that darkness inside us, to let it out evenly, and don't wait until it overwhelms us, and bursts suddenly. It is important to know that sometimes we need to be bad, to make things good, and that being "bad" and fixing things is better than doing nothing trying to be "good" and eventually failing and falling down anyway.
7:40 This also ties in really well with his character, he blamed himself for his mothers death and has been feeling guilty about it ever since, its why he always tries doing everything alone and doesnt want others to help, he doesnt want to risk what happened to his mother again. He feels like he's the one to blame for it all and this just makes it worse, he spent his entire life feeling guilty about something out of his control and now he finally felt like he could have control he gets that exact feeling again that he hated, the feeling that he cant save anyone, the guilt
Ichigo suffers from depression throughout the entire story. He's traumatized by the death of his mother. There's a familiar psychoanalytic insight here--that individuals who lose one of their parents in their childhood are either crushed or become truly great.
Videos like this makes Ichigo a much real person, more depth and more complex and a much more excelent character than most doesn't realize and don't take it seriously. That's why Ichigo is one of the few realistic characters in the entire shonen most beloved and admired.
Agreed. If you take Ichigo off the pages of a fictional manga and judge him as a human being, you’d realize how unfairly people judge him because he’s fictional. If people’s opinions on Ichigo were attributed to a real person, we’d all call them rude and cold.
@@flameofrebirth101 Agreed. he's easily the most human shonen mc. he's not some paragon of justice, he's willing to kill. he's not some simple minded fool, he's quite smart and complex. his struggles are human and relatable.
Why is he different from other Shonen like Naruto?
@@blexxy5861 simple because he's a normal teenager in a real world with real life problems to deal with trying to balance his life with phenomenon and stuff he never knew or wanted to deal (shinigami, hollows, etc). He is not living in a fantasy world with great beast, talking animals and stuff. That's why so many can relate to him because he is one of the few shonen protagonist more closer to the real life teenager. When i was like his age, I related more to Ichigo than Naruto and Luffy of the Big 3 because of that
Loved the video and what’s the music in the vid
What I love about Ichigo's depression as well is the fact that it isn't portrayed as a linear recovery. Ichigo endures depression again after his battle against Ulquiorra and that depression remains with him through the Aizen battle and the majority of the Fullbringer arc. I wrote a reddit post referencing your video on the subject, along with other TH-camrs as well. Emotional turmoil is something we all can fall victim to and it's a constant war that we need battle and win against everyday of our lives, but there will be battles that we lose and there will be periods of time where we're stuck in such a state.
The war only ends when we die, but whether we win or lose is a matter of how we face death. With courage and contentment or regret, desperation and despair.
If I may, I wanted to ask you to make a video on Momo Hinamori. The reason being that her character faces so much abuse from the series and the fanbase. I believe some in the fanbase do not truly understand the severity of the trauma Hinamori survived, while ridiculing her character as an annoyance and being weak-hearted. As much as I love Hitsugaya's character, there is a point where Hinamori is still in recovery and wishes for someone to be there for her in the anime, but Hitsugaya was unable to face her. Meaning she had no one to truly help her cope with the betrayal and that she entered the battlefield and started mentally recovering all on her own in the Fake Karakura Town arc.
I love this channel for addressing the quieter aspects and elements of the series, compared to other channels and regardless of whether or not you accept this request, I will continue to enjoy your content.
holy moly i cant disagree more, ichigo "depression" is just plainly bad writing nad people try to cover up with ichigo being real and so on. With each arc ichigo has same problems when he overcame them in previous arc, his character development is literal circle.
@@martynas5757 What were these same problems that he faced in the previous arc? May I also ask what you would have done with Ichigo's character to improve the writing? I'm not going to attack you or immediately disagree with you, because I would love to understand your perspective on this. I used to have the same view as you, years ago, but since then, I've developed a different understanding of his character. Please share your thoughts on his character - you do not seem to be trolling and you seem polite enough.
@@wrightl.graves3080 IT would be despair which became very redundant since hueco mundo arc. In my opinion he kinda regressed as a character compared to ss self. Just to name few examples, he despairs when he cant control hollow which he resolves with hollowfication, then hes despairs again about hollow post Ulqiorra fight, then despair again in pretty much of karakura town due inner isues which he resolves in deicide arc. You think Ichigo matures, but opsie dopsie here comes full bring arc, hes despair due to beign powerless and losing friends resolves it fullbring which he loses, cries again, resolves it new shinigami powers, i can name more examples but i think i made my point clear.
@@martynas5757 I think you make an excellent point, but then, I will argue that you failed to comprehend my original comment. Yes, it is a cycle of Ichigo despairing and conquering it, but something I think you missed in my comment and Ichigo's story is that this is a realistic depiction of the struggles everyone goes through in life.
Just because you stopped being sad now, doesn't mean you can never feel sad in the future. Just because you feel happy now, doesn't mean you can never lose said happiness. I may feel sad that my parents have died and grow to move past it with reasonable time and support, but this doesn't mean I'll never feel sad again through other means, such as a break up or losing my job.
The same happens with Ichigo. Yes, the Soul Society arc has Ichigo at his highest confidence point, but this is meant to represent how the youth believes they have the entire world figured out. This is illustrated by Ichigo not understanding Soul Society law and fighting against it for the simple reason: my friend is in danger and I must save her. He is a teenager in his rebellious phase where he creating his own identity.
But from the Arrancar and Fullbring arc onwards, Ichigo faces the reality of life with his newfound identity. The despair he feels from his hollow is an identity crisis - his identity is to protect others, yet this hollow, this part of himself, is threatening to hurt the same people he vowed to himself to protect.
Yes, he conquers it, but this is the part I love: he relapses. Yes, he wins the battle against White Zangetsu, but despair, anxiety and depression is a constant battle to overcome everyday. As my original comment said, it never ends. When Ichigo is consumed completely, he kills his first man brutally and viciously - and further, stabs Ishida and nearly destroyed him to oblivion.
Take a moment to process that. He nearly betrayed his own identity and nearly killed his own friend - the opposite of protecting them. He can no longer trust himself to protect them - his main purpose in life has been twisted and corrupted. How can you expect him to brush that off in a matter of hours?
Finally, the Fullbring arc, and here is something that I need to stress to you. Ichigo has been depressed since he defeated Aizen. He had to live for nearly two years, depressed, and further had to endure the anxiety and paranoia of being unable to trust anyone, while his friends were either being cut down or betraying him - the very people he desired to protect are turning against him.
The Fullbring arc is also the first arc where Ichigo reaches his darkness point: contemplating killing a man in cold blood, Tsukishima. He had no idea whether this would fix his friends or not at the time, but out of desperation, anger, paranoia, anxiety, he was going to kill Tsukishima with his own hands. The manga panels even have Ichigo drawn as the villain with desperate and deranged shadows - an Ichigo we have never seen before.
With all these emotions going on inside him, can you blame him for finally breaking down and crying after being betrayed by his older brother figure? Yes, he gives into despair again, but you need to understand that those little powers he had left were his last hope to do something with his life after feeling useless and worthless to his family and friends for two years.
And yet again, he overcomes it and once more, he kills another man, Ginjo Kubo. This is a beautiful battle because we see that Ichigo understands all that Ginjo is and still, rejects and executes him. Not out of desperation or revenge, but because that was justice.
I can understand why you believe Ichigo goes through the same cycle over and over again, but it's not a regression of his character. Soul Society arc Ichigo is simply an Ichigo that had never been taken to the same dark places as Arrancar or Fullbringer arc Ichigo. Ichigo in the Soul Society never had room to doubt his own powers would betray him, but the Arrancar arc had to explore this. Ichigo in the Soul Society never had room to doubt in his friends trust either, but in Fullbring arc Ichigo had to deal with his friends betraying him. Soul Society arc Ichigo only had one goal and one clear obstacle, compared to the latter two arcs.
It can appear as though it's a cycle, because the solutions seem similar: become stronger. But you need to focus on the "how" to understand the nuances. The Soul Society focused on Ichigo's resolve, while the Arrancar and the Fullbring focuses on Ichigo's descent. For the descent, think of people who rely on negative substances or bad influences to escape their current dilemma, only to destroy themselves. Bad peer pressure, substance abuse, abusive relationships, etc. White Zangetsu and Ginjo Kugo represent these aspects of life and when Ichigo relied on them too much, they destroyed everything that he valued. It is though a positive support group, namely Rukia, that Ichigo comes to regain his powers and make a change.
But it is through the Thousand Year Blood War arc that Ichigo accepts himself. Everything he hated and everything he valued about himself to become a more balanced individual.
Yes, he got stronger, but everytime, it represented something different to him.
The thing l like more about bleach is how it defeats the norm of Shonen anime, many are alike but none like bleach..the evidence is in this video that Rebirth made where Kubo poetically hides reality through ichigos action. As someone who has gone through some state of depression, most actions that ichigo made like shutting himself from others etc wher similar to what I did at the time..I know many people who don't admire bleach but till today I don't get tired of telling them about it lol..
#road to 15k..
Glad you enjoyed this!
@@flameofrebirth101 I love your channels and content glad I subscribed.
Thank you for making this video.
I've seen a lot of people over the years downplaying or even belittling Ichigo's depression. One of the most common arguments is that he regresses as a character because he cheered up after Rukia's speech, but feel back into it after losing to Grimmjow. That argument never quite sat right with me but I couldn't put it into words until now.
More so than it's flashy and bombastic fights, I'd argue the best parts of Bleach are the down-to-earth moments. One where you can see yourself in the characters and relate to how they deal with it. Kubo just nails those scenes imo.
So, thank you. You're doing a wonderful job with your videos. Your analysis on other Bleach characters is genuinely a unique and refreshing way of approaching the series. I look forward to following your career.
Well said!
@IowaStateFrat’sBaton FACTS. I've been saying the same thing.
I do like how the hollow is shown to be both an helpful force and opposing force to Ichigo, it saved his life against Renji, Byakuya and Kenpachi and tells him straight up the Truth of itself and even how to win and then even warns him that just because he won here today does not mean that it it that it will show up again and if Ichigo truly wishes to control zangetsu power he should take care and not die.
how it and the old man are one being in truth and together they are ichigo power, it just varies which of them is in control so which of them is just a part of the other(also the whole I am Zangetsu line that is repeated like 3 to 4 times like that is something that is important, like he repeats that more than he talks about instinct )
and yet it also lead to him almost losing himself and so many people getting hurt because Ichigo power is just all over the place(going from worthless to higher than number 4)
also the whole coming back does say something about depression as well as how it not just a thing you beat once and then that is it over and done with
Well said
I remember watching this arc in high school while I dealt with my own depression and inner demons. I related to ichigo's struggles and knew how much its hard trying to face the world when you don't even has peace inside yourself. I gotta say, with so many anime and content overall being more extrovert, I really appriciate oldschool stuff like bleach which presented more dark and mature content and that didn't hesitate to tackle some harder issues and concepts. I guess thats why I like the anime of the late 90s and early 2000s the most
Same i love 90's anime and 2000's i feel like they were more original. Bleach is very special to me. It's not that im nostalgic but i can relate my life a lot to this anime, especially ichigo.
This honestly got me to think about Ichigo as more of a person rather than just a caricature, and this video just helps me appreciate Ichigo as a person. Thanks for the vid!
True. He is more than your stereotypical Shonen protagonist and this really captures his vulnerability, trying to control the monster within knowing full well what will happen if he loses it. The theme becomes more jarring as things move ahead.
@@manuelacosta9463 Honestly, Kubo's writing and his (extremely) subtle foreshadowing doesn't really translate well when trying to make themes very blatant (which seems to be the root of all the criticism), but if a reader takes the time to examine things closely, that's when Kubo's themes and stuff get revealed.
The beauty of Kubology 101
@@mintai1163 its why i love bleach, bleach goes much deeper and has so much more detail in story than over explained one piece or naruto
@@paprikagames Honestly, I never really liked the naive character trope. It really rubbed me the wrong way when Shonen characters were bashing their enemies with philosophies that I consider to be from a somewhat naive or overly optimistic perspective. But yeah, there isn't really much of that in Bleach. The themes and such aren't foisted upon the enemies, and enemies don't exactly comply with their opponents just because they heard some half-baked phrase from a philosophy 101 class.
I recently went back and read the manga and I was shocked by how much I missed when I was younger. Like the mannerisms every character has.
This is why arrancar is best arc, and ichigo is my favorite anime protagonist because I feel like he represents depression and grief the best and he feels human.
One of reason why I like Ichigo out of old Big 3.
While we got stronghead who's never give up like Naruto and person with big dream and got some connection with legend.
We also got protagonist that not many will like and understand him,Ichigo Kurosaki. He's the one that feel most human. I can feel like he is one of us. Dude has happy,angry,depressed phrase. While most people be like "Ichigo you dumb! Why don't do this and that!",I be like "You don't need to win bro,You just need to survive another day to make ur goal come true."on Ichigo.
Yes,I also love Naruto and Luffy but not as much as I did with Ichigo. Maybe because I can relate almost everything to him.
Bleach is not those pure action like One Piece and Naruto,It's all about phisolophy and phychological. Sad that not many people understand this concept of Bleach and try to understand it instead of hating Ichigo and the manga/anime.
Brilliant, damn right relatable. The struggles Ichigo faces and the approach to them are very much the way we go about them albeit a la Shonen.
I always thinked that hollowfication is based on sadness and depression.
Anime Real Life
Hollow Mask = Smiling
Hollow Hole = Feeling Empty Inside
Hollow Ichigo = Anxiety and Derpession
Noticed that the 2 Strongest Espadas has Loneliness and Nihilism as their Death Mark cause those brings the most sadness and depression.
I also think that the most sadess and most depressed person is the strongest Hollow.
Well depression is either showed to the outside via anger or sadness so the more depressed/angry being the strongest does make a lot a sense
As a middle schooler myself I’ve been watching bleach since 6th grade and I’m ready for high school next year and this video is helping me and ichigo is my favorite character
Good luck bro
People tend to think Ichigo is the blandest character out of the big 3, when in reality i feel like he's the best main character out of them.
I Believe Kubo was showing signs of Ichigo having depression as soon as the first time ichigo meets Zangetsu the man literally plummets into sea from the heights of a skyscraper immediately being drown it what appears to me to be Crushing depression about the fact that he lost another woman in his life that was incredibly important to him and his helplessness in the fact that there was absolutely nothing he could do about because of the sheer might and speed of byakuya despite ichigo giving his utmost to try and stop themeven going against what Rukia wanted its very poetic if you ask me kudo is amazing i adore that man
I love the explanation about Rukia's speech. It always felt off to me and I always thought maybe I have a warped perception but your description is exactly how I felt about it. It felt empty and like it wasn't the best thing at that time
I know this but every time I watch your videos I realize it even more. Bleach Really touched me and I see why I sympathize with Ichigo even more. Thanks, brother. Keep up the good work.
Honestly it was the first manga/anime I ever followed after I graduated highschool. I still enjoy it. Depression is a spirit and it's not a lie, it's real, I struggled with it on two occassions. It's been fine for a while, so I have no issues now.
"To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion , to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the Lord, that he glorifies" (Isaiah 61:3). Ask God to remove the spirit of heaviness. Get up, open your curtains, help someone less fortunate than you (visit the hospital, read to someone in the nursing home), start journaling, sing, dance, read the Word of God, play soothing music, go outside, worship, fellowship. Rebuke the spirit of depression. Decree and declare-the joy of the Lord is my strength.
Credit goes to The Rules of Engagement by Cindy Trimm whom I'm sure Holy Spirit inspired her to write this.
I got back into bleach about 2 years ago during a time where I was extremely depressed. I felt alone and was stuck in a job with a boss and environment that made me hate myself every single day. I started reading bleach during my breaks and I felt a big connection to Ichigo during that time. I feel like not a lot of main characters deal with depression and I really liked kubo's take on it and it's one if the reasons I love Ichigo as a character
Man this video not only made me love Ichigo more as a character but it also reminded me why Shinji is my favorite character, what a great video
Shinji has his strengths and determination that makes him quite the badass. The ruthlessness he has displayed in recent works sure shows how betrayal, exile and war will have an effect, but he still holds it together and has his lighthearted side.
When I saw the title, I thought you were implying that Ichigo was an Arrancar.
Which, considering some of the reveals we later get, could actually be the truth. But the whole discussion about how Ichigo went about with his issues, how he reacted, how he felt, it's so good! It's stuff like this that makes me think that there's no other protagonist like Ichigo.
He's like a well written, human force of nature.
YEAH that first encounter between ichigo and grimmjow is just so wow
Just binged your videos and I'm just going to say, I love how you look at each character from a different perspective, taking their thinking and behavior in mind. You should do this for the quincy as well (especially with the final arc finally being animated).
All of your videos have so much depth Rebirth.
I loved this anime mainly because of how relatable it was, kubo truly made us feel like we could be just like his mc
BRO I LOVE your bleach vids and especially ichigo analyses. You honestly might have the best bleach page on YT ngl. You're hella underrated. Your previous Ichigo full analysis on balance was the best I've seen on YT. Looking forward to the TYBW analyses and when the anime drops!
Thank you!
As a kid growing up with bleach, The story of Bleach has so many true parodies to real life.
I felt connected to him as a person and not just a character. Like I was a friend of sorts watching him progress learn and grow. Like he was sort of an extension of myself represented through media.
I didn’t loose my mother, but I did loose my father to suicide when I was 5. 20 days exactly after my birthday.
Which gave me that feeling of connection to ichigo in that we both want to protect those we do love so we don’t watch others fall off and die so to speak.
I know as a kid I couldn’t of saved my father from his depression or his drug addiction.
I often times as a kid blamed myself for it, genuinely didn’t feel happiness or even remotely good from then on until I was in my mid teens.
I went from a happy kid, to learning about death and loosing a parent. Had to mature and basically raise myself. And raise my younger sister. (My mom was there but she wasn’t the same afterwards. She went from being a loving mom to an abusive absent person who was only there in the “home” not engaging at all.)
I grew into an angry and frustrated person who would literally pick fights. Do things for attention. And would throw away any true connections I’d make with people.
And now as a fully grown and developed person, I just want to be better for those I do have. Meet and learn from others.
The way this shows paced and handled as well as the complexity to the characters. The world. The religious parodies, and the idea of deeper philosophy in not only sociality but in the Self and what the self is.
Bleach analysis needs to be done more by more people. This show will blow your mind if you let it.
Wow, amazing explanation, keep them up please!! 💯💯
Ichigo is the best anime protag depression is very real and to have a protag always happy and motivated is just unreal ichigo is just so human it’s hard not to love him especially seeing him pick himself back up with or without the support of his friends. What a fucking chad he is
As someone who's battle depression & anxiety their whole life, I greatly appreciate this video, thank you 😊
Love this video man, this even became more hard hitting than some of the videos talking about mental health. It was the right timing too, needed this
I needed this. Thank you
wow man, this show is already one of my cherished anime’s and this gave a new grand meaning of what really was going on within Ichigo.
That's why I loved Steins Gate. Both Bleach and Steins Gate MC's are realistic and faced alot of depression and went through alot of Emotional Battles to save their friends
You hit this one HARD! ALOT of ppl don't get kubo's genius in using the most human of emotions in a crazy spiritual powered world and it grounds it in a amazing way
When i want to watch reviews about anime i use three channels : Aleczandxr, Aninews, and Super Eyepatch Wolf. Today i found your video by accident and i can say it held me throughout most of it pretty well. Other reviewers will usually analyze a characters and start building the foundation of that analysis based on literature or findings of other experts. You, on the other hand surprisingly seem to have made a video that consists only of YOUR point of view of what it means to feel depressed and there is a certain purity to that that i found very refreshing. I don't know if you yourself have experienced depression or if you have witnessed up close someone else who has, but the amount of effort you've put into understanding the way the state of depression works is evident. Subscribed and great job.
Ichigo had a lot of resources at that time , kisuke literally showed you a lot why not go to him for idk? More training and ask deeper questions? How he knows? How he knows how to control it? Can he further evolve it?
You just helped me realize why this arc, why Ichigo's struggle, and his mask, mattered so much to me when I was reading it. I didn't realize it on a conscious level, but I related to the story on...well, an instinctual level, because I was depressed. I dealt with that, I was dealing with that. I could never understand why this arc, which people claim is lesser than the SS arc, was so important to me, why it mattered. But Ichigo showed me how to fight depression.
loved the video man! good message that i didn't catch when i was a kid watching this , hundreds of people died there,, i didn't even stoped to think about it , as someone who dealt and deals with bad stuff , i aprecciate this new look you've gave me! camt wait to see the rest of this series , i'm watching as i have the time
rukia is the right person to knock ichi back to his senses and not orihime because orihime is also a mess in her own way. whereas rukias resolve was tested in the last arc and she came out of it with renewed resolve. orihime cheering up ichigo at this point in the story wouldnt even make sense... or did everyone forget about the orihime/rangiku bathtime scene? orihime isnt even emotionally strong enough to handle whatever she has going on at this point.
also... yea rukias pep talk isnt the best... but hows it any different than when kisuke was "teaching" ichigo to have resolve before he headed off to soul society.
White Is metaphoric In the sense of all of us having a “toxic” version of ourselves within that doesn’t mean soaking In the sadness or soaking In the despair.. although being aware and being unaware are two separate things.. It makes sense to finally confront your “soul” and take back the right to It since It Is yours. As Ichigo did.. but I love how In the grand scheme of things.. It has to be nourished and taken care of as well, keep maintained.. this shows In the arcs after this.. (ex vaste lorde dangai)
This is the sickest video ever....💯💯💯💯...I'm going through this myself
Wish you all the best! You got this!
@@flameofrebirth101 thanks bro I'll be keeping up with you 💯👌🏽☑✔✅
I'm getting a tattoo of Ichigo next month all because of the wonderful arcs he has dealing with depression and learning to live it and overcome it. I love this series, it means so much to me
This video gave me a new prospective on the arrancar arc just the subtle details are insane
You got yourself another subscriber. And your analysis is on point. Say, do you think you can do an analysis of Ichigo's fight with Ulquiorra? Mostly focussing on his stubbornness and resilience. A dual edged trait but can bring one a long way.
I have always loved Bleach but your videos made me just adore it and appreciate it more
A really good video!
I remember how it was when Rukia was attacked by Grimmjow!
Damn I never thought that exercise machine arc had so much meaning to it for Ichigo and his state at the time... Gonna rewatch it again.
Damn this ended up being deep af and gave some good advice.
I feel like the lack of plan is intended, life is often without direction, the thought I have about this is about a conversation I had with an 80 yr old which is "take it a day at a time" friends may try to pick you up but that's the boost, without direction you need to come up with your own solution.
Every time I hear you tell us your thoughts on anime I think to myself an say damn bro I was thinking the same thing.
I’m glad
@@flameofrebirth101 bro your story telling is an awesome gift 🎁 it make me feel like a kid again I'm so hyped for the show to come back it's so long over due.
Got the like for the effort to make subtitles. Nice job.
this is the video i needed
Interesting. No one has ever gave their insight on this. Nice vid
Take your time bro It's starting to look like you can't miss lol 🎯
100%! One step at a time
Amazing video!!👌👌
Please keep them coming 🙏🔥🔥
You forgotten to mention that it’s hard to ask for help. In Ichigo he reacts to that statement hilariously 😂
Thank you for this video
dude that was a really impressive analysis, im just like you and kubo then.
so glad i havent lost a piece of my self so im able to analyze and understand the situations and gravity of them in anme
The arrancar arc had the biggest tone shift for Ichigo and us as readers instead of just fighting his demons of hueco mundo but instead him fighting his hollow, because the vizards truly helped him get over everything more then rukia ever could with shinji being as the tipping point for Ichigo and for him to prove he wasn’t Ichigo’s enemy he had to show what he was hiding his own demon (hollow) and Ichigo finally came to understand what kenpachi meant in his true showdown with white in his mind.
Beautiful vid bro
It’s a good video but I disagree on the Rukia part. I know that just nice words can’t heal depression or anything but it wasn’t just lip service. It’s also not her job to give him a solution he has to come up with one himself. She literally comforted him by taking him out to a fight a hollow to remind him of who he is. That’s not lip service. Also she can’t really give Ichigo a solution to his very unique problem. No other soul reaper in existence except the vizards know what Ichigo is going through (and even then his inner hollow is completely unique to anything like theirs). She cannot suggest going to the vizards as they are branded a criminal group by the soul society and she is probably trying to bring the problem to her level as just a lack of confidence.
I don’t think the speech was supposed to cure it but give him a sense of direction, an alleviation of the symptoms. Like anti depressants they don’t cure but alleviate symptoms so that you can go about life and generate serotonin in more natural ways to balance yourself. Rukia’s speech is much the same to get him out of the funk and start searching for solutions.
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Amazing Video Rebirth I can't wait for you to do fullbring ichigo
Jist like ichigos hollow, aka depression and hitting your rock bottom, it is a dark overpowering force but also if there is enough will in you to overcome it you undoubtedly become the strongest and the most unshakable thing in this world.
The hueco mundo arc it’s my favorite in all of bleach because of ichigos struggles.
Keep it up‼️
She sort of does offer him a tangible solution tho in those words she said become strong enough to crush that hollow yu are so terrified of
Man I've not been watching anime correctly considering I never think twice about these things
Holy fuck, I felt that when you said rukia gave him lip service
I must say that watching this has once again reminded me in the genius of Kubo’s paneling and artwork. He is truly one of the greatest when he’s at his peek.
i think part of the reason why bleach is so underrated is cause the mc is way to relatable like if u think about it Ichigo is no different from any other teenager today going through depression but just hiding it and pretending to keep it together where as we have characters like Naruto and Luffy who feel these emotions but just keep it all together after saying *i have my friends* i think Ichigos character is cool cause its so relatable but then again bleach is goated anyways
This video was fucking fire man, I legit saved this video
Fantastic, I'm subbed now for more
Very good insights.
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16:26 you know it i know it everybody knows it KEKW
Yo , im a little late but i really want to ask this. 2 vids ago you filmed your room in the vid, and i could see Bleach Boxset 2 and 3 in there. Did you order em together with the first one like me? I would find that funny , because i live in Germany and my first box still didnt arrive, even tho, just like (i at least assume from only seeing 2 and 3 in your vid) you, who also only has gotten his second and third box so far😂
Also good vid, keep it up
I have all three. The first box set isn’t in frame. But I bought the first one, and then ordered two and three at the same time
@@flameofrebirth101 ah okay ^^ appereantly the first box set is sold out these days, i even got a mail telling me mine is one of the last to ever be shipped into germany, which is why i will receive it today, a yesr after ordering it😂
Also it doubled its worth compared to last year appereantly.
Appreciate your answer, and your content, you really make high quality vids to my favorite show, i think you will grow big in no time if you keep it up. Really gave me some new perspective on some of the shows themes too ^^
I kin Ichigo a lot, and the funny thing my queer plantonic partner kins Hollow ichigo.
So naturally, our relationship consists of me overthinking shit and my partner saying he doesn't think I'm the scum of the earth. In his own blunt way, since he's not good at comforting at times but still means well enough to try and find a solution with me when he doesn't have to.
And at times shit-talk eachother affectionately. Because that's how we are. As well as sincere moments too. I adore him, he is my best-friend and partner.
Ichigo as a character who got beat up by one of the strongest members of the sins I can understand the beat down you just took.And I completely understand that its not easy to live with it.
Honestly it aint that simple just telling someone something motivational and getting them out of depression. Hell Rukia took a really massive risk forcing Ichigo out of his depression with that speech because if that didn't worked she would probably be at the end of Ichigo's blade due to Ichigo's depression and fear growing even more allowing White to take control much easier. This is actually something you see quite commonly in anime. MC is depressed? Just Give them a nice and motivational speech and that will work...somehow.
It motivated him for a while yes but it didn't cure him since he carries his depression from the Arrancar arc to Fake Karakura, he get's better after training with the Visards and mastering his mask but then Ulquiorra and Vasto Lorde happen plus Aizen demolishing everyone and knowing he can't risk himself because of Kyoka Suigetsu which just puts more stress on him as the people who put their trust on him get cut. Then there is the Fullbringer arc where his depression peaked.
"fancy lip service like rukia gave him" - Flame of Rebirth, 2022
Put it in the museums. It’s iconic.
This is why I feel Ichigo is better roll model than some other heros don't ask why I just my opinion, it reminded me of a fanfiction call the fall of Kuroinu by victorarte19 where he get sent to a world where a 100 years war between a goddess and dark elf queen but a man name volt used this to his advantage to turn the country into a man sick fantasy and turn all women to slaves, Ichigo did manage to stop his evil plan but it came at a terrible price, read it made me realize other hero we're giving recognition for they deed but not him even though he sacrifice so much.
6:25 Ichigo can't look Orihime in the eye. At 16/17 I don't think I would have noticed is she had eyes.
I think it was Ron White who made the revelation:
GF: What color after my eyes?
RW: 36DD.
After seeing the title, I overthinked if Ichigo is a vizard or an arrancar because he became a soul reaper right after he's in hollow transformation
that was tangible enough solution for me. but that was an intelligent analysis
Does that really even count as depression? What you described sounds more like feeling down rather than actual depression to me. I mean, I guess it lines up with the definition of depression, so maybe I'm just too far down the rabbit hole to really understand, but that sounded like a good day to me to be honest :P
Ichigo/Guts= I’ll deal with my sadness later. Right now I’m gonna kill this monster.
I disagree that Rukia didn't help Ichigo with her speech
Using your own analogy, you already failed the test, there is not much you can do about it now, so when your friend talks with you, he isn't gonna somehow offer a solution to the test you already failed, but he is going to help you emotionally so you don't beat yourself up over it. I also think it's very realistic that Rukia doesn't help solve Ichigo's problem, cause as someone who has experienced it, the support of your loved ones might make you think that you can handle your depression, you believe have beaten it because at the moment you don't immediately feel it, but then you realize that you haven't, and you need help from others who can help you with this specific problem
Of course Rukia cannot offer a solution to Ichigo's unique problem, all she can do is stand by his side, and help him get back up when he goes down, and that is something that does help with depression, cause how can you beat it if you're also fighting yourself?
Thats why I love the bleach anime so much