1963 Mystery Incorporated: Moore, Veitch, and Bissette Time Travel to Image Comics' Silver Age
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1963 is total brilliance. Man It makes me sad every time I remember we will never see the 1963 Annual.
MAN i loved the 1963 books when they came out. I got all of them. I wished the art would just go back to that style. Still do.
Considering how much the entertainment industry is riding on nostalgia these days, I'm surprised comics haven't caught on.
A great beginning to a never-finished classic, joining Moore’s BIG NUMBERS in the great neverseens of comix history! Say No Moore! 🖖♾
I loved 1963’s Johnny Beyond. “I don’t pin no ecstasy, but, like, dig the agony!”🤣
That comic was brilliant when it came out! Wish they could do more beatnik time travel books! 😎
I literally got this in a dollar bin a week ago. Successfully pre-empted the Kayfabe effect.
I have the entire 1963 series including their guest appearances in Shadowhawk AND Big Bang Comics.
Just in case anyone was wondering, 'Marvin Kilroy' is Rick Veitch. Just saw something about it on the Grand Comics Database. A GCD editor had an email conversation with Rick and asked who Marvin was, Rick said it was him.
I am so glad I just bought the entire series before the Kayfabe Effect hits eBay like a hurricane.
I bought them last year for cheap on e-bay and had them custom bound.
I picked up 1963 this past summer and it got me on a comic buying spree.
It's one of the highlights of my collection, you guys can't even imagine how hard was to buy these IN 1993 HERE IN SOUTH AMERICA!!! Can't wait to see the other issues under the microscope.
The Marvel Age is only two years older than me, and although my very first toddling comics were Neal Adams and not Kirby and not Infantino, we found Burts Budget Shop pretty quickly. So I certify all these Moore books as evoking the quintessential Marvel radiation.
yeah, these were meta comics. i think this had a ton more influence than it gets credit for. chek out Enrique Alcatena's covers for comics that dont exist.
I’m glad that I am not the only person in the world that has committed “ 1313 Mockingbird lane “ to memory! I can’t remember my wife’s phone number, but you have to have your priorities...
Melinda Gebbie does that Neon Queen pin-up, and pin-ups in the other issues.
I remember when this came out and I didn't care much. Then years later when I got into Alan Moore, bought anything that had his name on it, and when the local comic shop had a sale I was like-- WTF?! MINDBLOWN!
You guys have the best comic book-related channel on the net! Thanks for the content!
Nice timing for this video. I've only just read 1963 for the first time over Christmas, after tracking down each of the issues on ebay for a complete Alan Moore collection I'm gradually assembling. I thought it was fantastic and also truly tragic that it was never completed. I love a below comment that the capper could still be done as a 30 years later end '1993'! Really brutal that Moore is so off on finishing or even allowing a collection of it to be released. It's some of his most fun work and a forerunner for his ABC stuff. It's gotta a similar playfulness to his pastiches in League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen. His final comics work Tempest can really aesthetically be linked with this with its UK comics homages in covers, fake letters pages, references to other comics creators and pin-ups. A pretty forgotten but fairly essential read for Moore fans, I look forward to your videos on the other issues. Horus was my favourite and apparently the one Moore was most proud of. I would have happily read more of that as a series and you can see it's influence a little in Promethea.
I think it was in Roarin' Rick's TCJ interview that he complained that he and Bissette ended up being stuck with a lot of the detail work, like assembling the Bullpen Hype Page and the letters and ads. My memory is that Moore was heavily occupied with his giant masterworks and that his solution to squeezing in a new project was to work Marvel-method. It may have been what sparked the idea of actually recreating the classic Marvel experience. I think he was at least partially doing it to help out his old mates and partially for the paycheck. Veitch already had a lot of experience writing and drawing in the Mighty Marvel style in his earliest childhood comics.
I want that Mystery, Inc. t-shirt!
I think there was an advertisement in the comic for a 1963 shirt in the comics.
Got this randomly with some Tom Strong comics I bought off ebay, had no idea what it was.
One detail I haven't been able to confirm from the comments on my blog... I seem to recall Steve B or Rick V confirming at one point that Rick was Marvin Kilroy. Or was it Steve...?
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I love 1963. Still a shame that the 80 page annual never came out and never got concluded.
Not to mention some of the drastic changes that have happened with Image. For instance, Rob Liefeld doesn't retain ownership of Youngblood anymore and gave up on his own creation. And then you have Robert Kirkman's Invincible, which would make a great addition to the "Lost Annual".
@@alexphillips4644 Now that we’re getting the Unofficial Annual by Don Simpson, life is good again.
I had the same reaction to Eclipses Sgt. Strike; I totally fell for the meta-history of the character.
Thanks for telling me about this.
Found a couple copies of this at a flea market in rural Mississippi a year or two ago.
I've had that back cover saved on my phone for years but never knew it was from this comic, which I bought a couple of years ago in a set with the rest of the 1963 books (but have yet to open). I just thought it was a random meme!
Wicked :) just finished ‘From Hell’, not sure whether to star ‘1963’ or ‘V for Vendetta’ next.
Still one of my favorite series ever made. Incredible stuff.
Now I gotta pull these out and read them.
I loved this series and Supreme, never knew why they didn’t get their finale issues
Originally Jim Lee was set to be the artist but took a sabbatical, a year later Rob Liefeld left and his characters weren't accessible, and Moore had a falling out with his fellow 1963 co-creators.
Me personally, I'd like to think of a Supreme fanfiction store that would help complete the Lost Annual with a past adventure that took place in 1963.
I completely forgot the spot illo for the Moondog's ad. Yeah, Larry Marder was practically the inventor of Image Comics, putting the whole thing together (unofficially) from the headquarters office of Moondog's in Chicago with Jim Valentino by phone. The fabled Image tent at the Chicago Comicon in 1992 was an epic moment...
Shamed By You English!!!? Genius.
Moondogs! IIRC, they were buying the NE chain where I worked, Dream Factory, before everything went BK at the end of the gold rush - thanks for sharing this!
I still say this is the best thing Image ever produced.
Never heard of this, gotta track it down!
Personally, I like Moore on here better than Watchmen. His Silver Age style is spot on.
Interesting book.
Have you guys ever gone over any Ashley Wood stuff?? If not I hope you do eventually!
According to comics.org, Marvin Kilroy is a Rick Veitch pseudonym
Great video, great comic!
Color seps: yes, Murphy Anderson and his son worked hard to recreate, very exactly, a Golden Age look to these 1963 pages, with the parallel lines which you noted. The lines are the 50% tints, and the dots are 25%.
The original system was called Craftint Multicolor, using the same tech as the B&W Doubletone board which Roy Crane and John Severin and others used a lot.
Nearly all Golden Age comics used Craftint Multicolor (not all)... check your DCs, Atlas etc. Marvel gave it up in 1954 and DC in 1956. Showcase 4, ‘the first Silver Age comic book’ was one of the very last DC books to use Craftint!
So why did Murphy Anderson and Murphy Jr not recreate actual Silver Age color seps for this oh-so-silver comic series? No-one knows! At least, Steve Bissette and Rick Veitch don’t know (I asked ‘em).
Captain Clockwork in his comment kindly gave the link to my LegionOfAndy blog page all about this, including a section on 1963.
I’ll repeat the link below.
I love Craftint Multicolor and I predict you will too!
This is my blog all about Craftint Multicolor and the Golden Age. Pretty much the only place you will find these details.
Thank again to Captain Clockwork for the previous plug.
legionofandy.com/2016/08/26/ben-day-dots-part-8-1930s-to-1950s-the-golden-age-of-comics/
Thank you for posting this info, Guy! This is great! Really appreciate it! - Jim
@@CartoonistKayfabe Thank you, Jim, and you are so welcome. Pretty soon I hope to post my 'Part 9' about the REAL Silver Age seps!
Not only does this feel like a tribute to Silver Age Marvel, but the whole package feels very influenced by Kurtzman-era MAD, especially the fake ads. Also worth noting is that while the plan to have the 1963 characters meet the Image characters never happened, I do think what Alan Moore and Rob Liefeld did on Judgement Day is kind of close. Moore (continuing what he did on Supreme) takes Liefeld’s creations and gives them this new backstory, with many allusions to Silver Age books. Artists like Gil Kane and Jim Starlin contributed.
And Boston KAYFABERS, I see that X-MEN Grand Design omnibus is still on the shelf at Newbury Comics in Harvard Square. Go and get it.
Imagine how many worlds Mystery Incorporated pass through looking for Kid Dynamo....would be amazing if Crystal Man, Neon Queen and the Planet showed up in a cameo in the MCU as a lead-up into brining in the Fantastic Four. Double awesome!
Wait. Did Chris Nolan ape 1963?!
Every time I tune in.. hoping for the words " Murder on the dark web for fun and profit, Jimmy"... Keep em coming.. My girl got me the Xamie FB Studio edition for Xmas (totally a keeper) Interested on youse guys thoughts on that.
Is the script for the 'annual' out there? I always thought doing a modern 'dark' version was such a great idea, too bad it never surfaced.
Anyways, sounds like you guys had a lot of fun with this, thanks again!
Alan Moore was halfway writing the script until Jim Lee, the artist for the annual, took a sabbatical in 1993. A year later Rob Liefeld left Image and his characters weren't accessible.
I already suggested 1963 grand design months ago 😎
Read Moore Comics!
Pretty sure Christopher Nolan read this comic before making TENET.
The lines may be an homage to the way old tints were done. Here's an interesting blog on the history of comic book color separations -legionofandy.com/2016/08/26/ben-day-dots-part-8-1930s-to-1950s-the-golden-age-of-comics/#book