What was so tragic about Catherine of Aragon, after Henry divorced her, she was not allowed to see her daughter by Henry again. Mary was not allowed to go to her mother's funeral. So heartsickening. Henry the 8th, was a cruel being.
@@bridgetmclaughlin6198 You will find, if you research further , that Catherine was a great Queen in England as she actually led the army on at least one occasion when her husband was unavailable.
A correction that is not really part of the main focus of the video. To Pope granted Katherine and Henry a disposition to marry regardless of whether or not she had consummated her marriage to Arthur or not consummated her marriage to Arthur. The pope did not make the disposition conditional and it didn’t matter. It only became an issue with Henry when he was trying to find an excuse to divorce katherine.Henry is the one who made it an issue.
The dispensation (not disposition) was needed due to the impediment of affinity. It was granted because in the sixteenth century, the impediment of affinity came about merely through intercourse and extended further than the direct line of relatives. Since it was presumed that Catherine of Aragon had intercourse with her husband, Henry’s brother, the impediment of affinity had to be dispensed before Catherine and Henry could validly marry.
@@missysbloglifethat makes more sense than some question about being permissible in the eyes of the Church to marry the brother’s widow… Because when the narrator was discussing this part, my mind went to the passage in one of the gospels where someone is questioning Jesus about a hypothetical woman who married a man, but the man died childless. In was was apparently the custom among the Jewish people of the time, the younger brother married the widow so that his dead brother might have an heir. Only the second brother also dies childless. In this hypothetical “test” of Jesus and his knowledge of scripture, the questioner goes on to say that the woman married seven brothers… all died without an heir. With the final question of “to which brother will se be married to in heaven?” At which time Jesus explains that existence in heaven will not be as it is on earth, and that we will not have things such as marriage in heaven.
Catherine had a stronger legitimate claim to the English throne than her third cousin, King Henry VII, because she was descended from both Blanche of Lancaster and Constance of Castile, the first two wives of John of Gaunt (1st Duke of Lancaster, and fourth son of Edward III), whereas Henry VII was the descendant of Gaunt’s third wife, Katherine Swynford, whose children were born out of wedlock. Elizabeth of York, Catherine’s fourth cousin and wife of Henry VII, was descended from Isabella of Castile and Edmund of Langley (1st Duke of York, and fifth son of Edward III). Isabella was the younger sister of Constance of Castile.
Having suffered infertility, there are many and varied reasons. My hunch would be rhesus incompatibility. Like Henry blamed his wives for not giving him a son, the reality of the situation it is the male that determines the sex of a child.
Catherine was a very popular and wonderful Queen. She wrote a book about the education of Christian women. She believed that all women should be able to read and write regardless of class. She was actively involved with humanism, which could be described as a Catholic intellectual movement. She had a book written for her about the education of all subjects. She believed all people should be educated, particularly in reading, writing, and rhetoric - the ability to express themselves eloquently. She also tirelessly organised relief for the poor. She was an incredible woman. It is annoying that so many women praise up the Protestant Anne Boleyn who was nothing more than a crafty tramp who was just out for what she could get and was the primary instigator in the rending of Christendom. The devout Catholic Catherine was one of the most extraordinary women in history, but hardly anyone knows anything about her.
You need to put more blame on Henry and less blame on the women in his life. You are forgetting that the one thing that women could do to find some power in their lives at that time is to find a good marriage. Henry on the other hand was allowed to do as he liked. he is to blame for not keeping it in his pants and staying faithful to his first wife. Or any of his wives!!’ You cannot blame the other women that came after Catherine because they wouldn’t be part of history unless Henry open that door and allowed, nay persevered to continually dispose of women who did not give him a son. it’s disgusting for you to call another woman a tramp when you know them so little and only what history has told you but the one thing you can know is Henry is the reason these women went through so much suffering in their lives. Have a little compassion for these women. They may have been rich and entitled, but they all suffered at hands of this disgusting man child…. So please the next time you throw around the word tramp or want to negatively portray a woman you don’t know think again about how much you actually don’t know. Again it’s absolutely disgusting that you were calling a woman You don’t know a tramp, especially when we know that history is told by men who are more than happy to smear a woman’s reputation. As another woman you should do better.
@carlyrossa1156 Well, you called Henry VIII a "disgusting man child" and I assume you are not on first name terms with him. The information that provoked my assessment of Anne Boleyn as a "tramp" is based on what we know of her. She was known as "the concubine" in her lifetime. Her motto was about her personal happiness, another was "me and mine." Her emblem was a white falcon that meant someone who wouldn't stop until she got what she wanted. This is in stark contrast with Jane Seymour who took the motto "to obey and serve." This isn't popular in today's age, but the interpretation seen from the eyes of Catholic Faith is that the position that she was in was one of great responsibility. To be a Queen (although plague prevented an actual coronation) was not about her personal happiness. She cast herself aside in order to serve her King and country. Very different. Jane had been in Catherine's household so undoubtedly would have learned from being in the company of so great a woman. I agree that we shouldn't blame women for things that rightly belong at the feet of men. However, I wasn't specifically discussing Henry VIII. I also find in unnecessary to talk about men when we are focusing on women. I stand by my point that Catherine of Aragon was one of the greatest women in English history, yet she is overlooked. Anne Boleyn is treated like a Christian martyr, but she was very far from the innocent woman portrayed by Hollywood. It isn't possible not to feel sorry for the numerous men and women Henry VIII had executed. If I had been discussing King Henry, I would have plenty of terrible wrongdoing to place in his corner. I even contend that his reason for killing Anne (that has come to our age as fact) being partly because he needed a boy to secure the throne after him was just an excuse. Anne still had more potential childbearing years ahead and Henry had made Catherine of Aragon regent in his absence. This shows that he knew she was competent to rule even though she was a woman. There is a great deal to say about Henry VIII, but my comment wasn't about him. It was about a great woman overlooked by a dreadful one whichever word is used to summarise her conduct.
@ I’m sorry you’re upset that a woman specifically Ann Bolin was all about doing what’s best for herself and you find that wrong but you don’t find it wrong that a woman’s motto is to obey and serve 🫠 I understand you’re looking at this as a religious point of view and that obey and serve might be something you think is good but I am not religious and to say that a woman is good because she obeyed and served is just disgusting. We are all human beings. We should all look out for our own well-being. It’s fine to choose to obey and serve, but not all women should have to be that way to be looked at as good women..
Henry was a narcissist…there is one school of thought that a severe jousting injury to his head, which nearly cost him his life, caused his personality to change. As far as his infidelity to Catherine is concerned, society did not expect men to be faithful during that period. In fact, multiple sexual partners was considered proof of virility throughout much of history, regardless of religious and other norms.
Less acknowledged and less public in some work places but probably as common. And there are workplaces which take it very seriously so there has been some improvement. I’ll restrain from commenting on the potential effect of the election on that improvement. A lot has more to do with fear of being sued than ethics. I’m 73 and can testify to the amount of sexual harassment at work and even in things like going out to eat or even shopping I experienced. They regretted it after I finished reading them the riot act but it was more stressful than I realized at the time.
I presented information above that Henry may have had McLeod's syndrome, a genetic disorder of people who are positive in the Kells antigen blood group. Both could explain his cognitive decline and the high rates of miscarriages and stillbirths his wives experienced.
Read up on more of the women. They were stronger and more influential than known. Look up Isabella who was married to Edward II. She was a strong woman IN and of her own rite. There are more of them. You just have to read up.
@@HLStrickland I'm not replying to or for the four-month-old Trumpoid account, but for observers: a few queens do not outweigh the suffering of millions of poor women. What is that in exchange rate?
Catherine was a wonderful queen and a very learned woman with better royal lineage than Henry VIII.He was lucky to have her as his wife.She deserved better treatment than the cruel way Henry treated her and their daughter Mary I.
I heard the theory that Catherine of Aragon was RH negative, meaning her body would attack a fetus that was RH Positive. Since she had a stillborn child, it's possible the child was RH positive - the first pregnancy gets a "bye" because the woman's body hasn't produced enough antibodies yet to attack the fetus - and that created enough antibodies for Catherine's body to attack future RH positive fetuses. Since Mary was the only child to survive past childhood, she could have been RH negative too. Some have wondered if Anne Boleyn was RH negative too.
Yes. More recent research suggests that Henry may have had the rare Kell positive blood antigen. People in this blood group may be able to have Kell positive children with a woman as a result of a first pregnancy. But with subsequent pregnancies the maternal negative Kell antigens will begin to attack the cells of the fetus, leading to miscarriages and stillborn births. Catherine of Aragon is unusual in that it was her 5th child Mary who survived, though her previous son Henry lived for 50 days. But Anne Boleyn's pregnancies definitely follow the more typical pattern. Her first pregnancy with Henry led to the live birth of Elizabeth, but she miscarried with subsequent pregnancies. We can't know what would have happened with Jane Seymour, as she died in childbirth in her first pregnancy with Henry. But it's reasonable to assume that she might have experienced the same rates of miscarriage as Catherine and Anne. I'm not aware of his having had more than two illegitimate sons with his mistresses but Henry's wives experienced a 70% failure rate in their pregnancies, which is unusually high even for the time period. The Kell positive status, combined with possible sperm deterioration from Henry's morbid obesity (historians conclude that he weighed about 400 pounds in mid life) could have had a deep impact on his fertility. Equally interesting is the researchers' hypothesis that Henry may also have had McLeod's syndrome, a genetic disorder often suffered by people who are Kell positive. The syndrome often manifests between the ages of 30-40, which roughly corresponded to Henry's age when he was married to these three wives. The condition causes heart damage, muscular control issues and motor nerve damage, all of which Henry appeared to have later in life. Most notably, the condition also causes cognitive breakdown and psychotic states. Its commonly assumed that the dramatic personality shift Henry underwent in his early 40s was a result of a head injury he sustained during a jousting match in 1536. But it's not beyond the pale to suggest that if he had McLeod's syndrome as a result of being Kell positive, his dramatic personality shifts were part of this disorder. Some more information on this theory: www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/03/110303153114.htm
@@colleenconger5265nobles had their own family directory’s allowing them to trace their lineage as far as their founding progenitor so it’s not far fetched to claim lineage
@@helenryan5217 my great-grandparents on my mother's side were farmers.My grandmother parents.Many good times on that farm. I also have Pa.Dutch ancestry and I'm just as proud an interested in that part of my ancestry.
Wow, such a captivating and well-researched video! I knew some details about Catherine of Aragon, but this really brought her story to life. Great storytelling!
I’ve heard that Henry VII had already spent Catherine’s dowry, so didn’t want to return her to Spain because he’d have to repay it, and he was a cheapskate. Whether her marriage to Arthur was consummated or not, her marriage to Henry had a dispensation from the pope, so it should have been rock solid. Henry only used that excuse about their union not being fruitful because of some biblical quote because he wanted out of the marriage so he could marry Anne Boleyn. In any case, there’s a conflicting biblical law (as usual) that says if a man died without leaving a child (presumably male, to say Kaddish for his father in memorial each year), then his brother was obligated to marry the widow and impregnate her so the deceased’s name wouldn’t “die in Israel”. And Lo, the Church of England came into being, because the pope wouldn’t annul the marriage (that had a dispensation) so Henry had a hissy fit and Anne was pregnant!! and made himself head of his church and got it sorted. Funny how you aren’t supposed to divorce in that church either, or if you do not remarry while your ex is alive, when divorce is the actual reason the CofE was invented.
Jan drew it is unlikely the dowry was spent because Henry the seventh was notoriously careful with money .The truth is that he loved accumulating money and left his son a full treasury .
Even if Catherine didn't have anorexia she was Catholic which is where the ideas of repentance comes from, she would also have fasted (abstained from eating) A LOT including while pregnant as a form of prayer to keep the child safe, kind of ironic with our modern understanding of pregnancy that she was doing something so harmful to a pregnancy while thinking she was going to keep it safe.
With so many wives and only one healthy child, I’m much more inclined to think Henry had some communicable or genetic disease, but in those days, it was always the woman’s fault.
@@barblacy619there is NO evidence for that. None of his children showed signs of congenital disease. It is however postulated that he did indeed have a genetic defect only expressed in the Y chromosome which would account for healthy daughters but compromised males.
I posted some relatively recent research that suggests that Henry had the positive Kell's blood antigen and McLeod's syndrome, which may have contributed to his wives' miscarriages and his physical and psychological decline. www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/03/110303153114.htm
It's interesting that Henry's mistresses bore multiple healthy children that lived into adult hood while his wives never bore surviving sons and, out of six, there were only two surviving daughters. Although it's mentioned that Catherine might have had trouble because of anorexia, because of the same problems in the other wives, it might have simply been due to the stress of the station that required her to have to use her classes in cunning from her younger years.
Henry had one illegitimate son, no other children. Why do you assume it was a woman issue. I have read Henry suffered from McLeod syndrome that caused fertility issues.
It is actually thought that it was rhesus (Rh) incompatibility, which caused his wives to have so many miscarriages. Henry having a negative blood type, and the wives having positive blood type.
This is heart-breaking. Since before she could talk, her purpose was mapped out. Queen of England, have (long-lasting) son. Imagine the pressure, then losing that life-encompassing purpose, and that many children. I'll stay a peasant, thanks.
A Black Heart in Autopsy is from Alkaptonuria a rare genetic disorder of tyrosine catabolism in which homogentisc acid accumulates over years in the body and has a widespread effect including degenerative arthritis and more rarely, cardiovascular manifestations. That could be one cause as well as metastases from malignant tumors however, it’s manifestations riddles the body parts effected by black tumor nodules peppering the organ, hence the term Charcoal Heart.
I think you mixed up your information. Alkaptonuria is not as you describe, maybe something else is. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK560571/ Malignant melanoma is so much more likely anyway.
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There’s a letter from Anne in the works of Leti, dated to 1525-1526, thanking the king for getting her an appointment as one of Katharine of Aragon’s maids of honor. “The warrant of maid of honor to the queen induces me to think that your majesty has some regard for me, since it gives me means of seeing you oftener, and of assuring you by my own lips (which I shall do on the first opportunity) that I am, Your majesty’s very obliged and very obedient servant, without any reserve,” -Anne Bulen It is true - Henry VIII was so desperate to keep Anne Boleyn within reach HE appointed the Boleyn sisters to Katherine’s court. The Queen knew of Henry’s affair with Mary and when he tired of her, he turned his eyes to Anne - thinking his appointment of the sisters would give him greater proximity to woo Anne.
I agree with the rh neg incompatibility. Henry took the throne by conquest which implies he might not have been a direct descendant of rh neg royalty. The first child will survive but all subsequent children will be miscarriages or stillborn. Both Catherine & Anne were from nobility. The mistresses were not therefore normal pregnancy & birth were uncomplicated. I have always thought it was all Henry’s fault but no one knew about this incompatibility until abt 70 yrs ago.
I have never heard of "cancer ot the heart" before. Meaning, I have never heard of heart cancer before. Lung, throat, etc. But never someone dying from "heart" cancer ! Interesting...
Not sure what @pfranks75 means (was it a question, or intended as clarification?). But here is some information from Johns Hopkins in the USA: "Cardiac sarcoma is a rare type of primary malignant (cancerous) tumor that occurs in the heart. A primary cardiac tumor is one that starts in the heart. A secondary cardiac tumor starts somewhere else in the body and then spreads to the heart. In general, primary tumors of the heart are rare, and most are benign (noncancerous)....Cardiac Sarcoma Symptoms - The symptoms of heart tumors will vary, depending on the location of the tumor. Tumors of the heart may occur on the outside surface of the heart, within one or more chambers of the heart (intracavitary) or within the muscle tissue of the heart." But in terms of Catherine, this is all speculation. We can't know what this story means in terms of her cause of death.
I don’t believe Queen Catherine hired the Boleyn sisters. Anne caught Henry’s eye during a masque and Anne’s father - a weasel - made sure his daughters were installed in Catherine’s court by Henry.
I think that fertility issue belongs to Henry the 8th because and also had the same problems after her 1st daughter constant losing of the baby twice after Could be even 3 times Poor and poor and Berlin You put-down the 1st wife and you got put-down
How awfully sad that this woman who had such a wonderful childhood endured such a sad end. Makes me wish she could have gone back to her parents. I’m so well-rounded and well educated! What a waste of her life to end up with Henry .
Very interesting. She was an intelligent, dutiful, Royal queen of England 🙏 Her prayers were answered and her daughter did become Queen after all. Thank you for this sharing 🙏💖
More likely she had the miscarriages from a short cervix. It causes the babies to develop until they weight about 4 pounds and the pressure causes the short cervix to open up and the baby born prematurely.
It is actually thought that it was rhesus (Rh) incompatibility, which caused his wives to have so many miscarriages. Henry having a negative blood type, and the wives having positive blood type.
Many say that although Henry supposedly celebrated her death in public, he wept bitterly after he was alone. I tend to believe this. Relationships that begin in childhood, whatever the relationship, seem to strike and stay closer to the heart than any other. So many memories taken into adulthood that can not easily be dismissed, even if the person was.
As Queen, it was one of her major duties to provide the country with a male heir. Her failure to do so meant that she would have to step aside. The precedent was commonplace across Europe amongst wealthy families. As mentioned in the video, the wife would enter a convent, and the husband was able to have the marriage annulled, allowing him to remarry. Mary's position would not have been affected by this arrangement, so the claim that Katherine refused for the sake of her daughter is not strictly true. Despite being a very religious woman who would have thrived in a convent, she refused to stand aside. Her own power meant more to her than what was best for the country. Although such a view is unpopular today, it was the expectation at the time. A king was preferable to a Queen Regnant. It is often made out that Katherine was a victim, but it was largely self-inflicted. She knew the societal expectations of the time. The first recorded black people in England were mentioned in documents from the 13th century, long before Katherine's arrival. There are also historians who interpret references in the Domesday Book of the 11th century as meaning black people. This latter is a contentious interpretation, though.
Can you please cite an instance of a European Queen forced to move to a nunnery, so that her husband could remarry in order to begat a male child? This seems fairly unlikely to me.
If the marriage would be annulled, then Katherine would be regarded as a mere concubine, and Mary an illegitimate child. The only way out was a divorce, but Katherine was a daughter of the Royal Houses and her parents were the Defenders of tge Catholic Faith. So, she couldn't accept that solution as well.
If Catherine of Aragon had produce a son instead of a daughter, there would have been no divorce or even discussion of divorce. King Henry would have had Anne Boleyn as a mistress, not a wife. And, best of all there would have been no break with the Church and no Bloody Mary.
British Kings are notoriously cruel. KC3 couldn't have Princess Diana hung or beheaded. Death by car crash is the modern equivalent. Diana knew her death was being planned. She hand wrote notes to other people of her fears. It turned out to be true.
henry was relentless and cruel not to let any one be there for her final resting days. no one deservers to be alone like that. i can see that she could die of a broken heart. i heard that is actually possible. wasnt all of henery's wives at some point, his cousin some were or another?
You obviously don’t know your history and esp religious history - it was Jewish and Christian tradition to marry one’s bothers wife if he died - it was not considered ‘disturbing’ nor was marriage at 15 - a male would be physically an adult then.
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@satiricalsartorial If she wasn't a Capricorn Sun, then she was most certainly Rising Capricorn, that's in most cases worse. Rising basically shows the course of the chosen destiny, it's a physical body. The Sun is active, inner strenght in general, or bad strength, or no stregth in the case of 90+% of Capricorns, they lack energy, that's why they succumb to all kinds of tricks and crime to steal it from others. P. Diddy, for example, is a rising Capricorn, with Cap. Mars in conjunction. Sadly, Taylor Swift is Capricorn rising, as well, and full 1st house of Capricorn situated planets. She's been tricking you all, not me though, she's can't . -Jingle hells, jingle hells, jingle all the way ... -Silent night, creepy night, all is qiuet, all is deadly quiet...
@@kathleenstoin671 Yeah, because you're a Capricorn, and you're trying to getaway with your devilish and dark betrayals. Capricorns (and those who choose to play the darkness game) have a hard lesson to learn, and it is: how to live out of their own energy, out of their own means, and not stealing it and anything from others, in any kind of way.
@DarjaTruth I'm not a Capricorn. I'm just not an uneducated superstitious person living in the 14th century. Astrology is a pseudoscience. Believing something doesn't make it true.
In your female North American modern day opinion. Just stick to the facts as you endanger ruining a very good video otherwise. ☮️🩵🖖🏻✝️♾️🕉🪬⚛️ Finished an EXCELLENT video.
What was so tragic about Catherine of Aragon, after Henry divorced her, she was not allowed to see her daughter by Henry again. Mary was not allowed to go to her mother's funeral. So heartsickening. Henry the 8th, was a cruel being.
If they had complied he would have been nice lol. I love how stubborn she was.
Imagine how different history would have played out had Arthur lived and Henry had never became king..
As nasty as he was though at least he broke away from the power of the Catholic Church.
Catherine of Aragon had a tragic life for one that started with so much hope and promise. She’d have made a good Queen in her own right. .
@@bridgetmclaughlin6198 You will find, if you research further , that Catherine was a great Queen in England as she actually led the army on at least one occasion when her husband was unavailable.
@@annewalden3795 i loved her passion and fearlessness!!
A correction that is not really part of the main focus of the video. To Pope granted Katherine and Henry a disposition to marry regardless of whether or not she had consummated her marriage to Arthur or not consummated her marriage to Arthur. The pope did not make the disposition conditional and it didn’t matter. It only became an issue with Henry when he was trying to find an excuse to divorce katherine.Henry is the one who made it an issue.
The dispensation (not disposition) was needed due to the impediment of affinity. It was granted because in the sixteenth century, the impediment of affinity came about merely through intercourse and extended further than the direct line of relatives. Since it was presumed that Catherine of Aragon had intercourse with her husband, Henry’s brother, the impediment of affinity had to be dispensed before Catherine and Henry could validly marry.
Assuming it was God's displeasure Henry bedded the Boleyn sister's: first Mary was his mistress then Anne became his wife.
@@missysbloglifethat makes more sense than some question about being permissible in the eyes of the Church to marry the brother’s widow…
Because when the narrator was discussing this part, my mind went to the passage in one of the gospels where someone is questioning Jesus about a hypothetical woman who married a man, but the man died childless. In was was apparently the custom among the Jewish people of the time, the younger brother married the widow so that his dead brother might have an heir. Only the second brother also dies childless.
In this hypothetical “test” of Jesus and his knowledge of scripture, the questioner goes on to say that the woman married seven brothers… all died without an heir. With the final question of “to which brother will se be married to in heaven?”
At which time Jesus explains that existence in heaven will not be as it is on earth, and that we will not have things such as marriage in heaven.
Catherine had a stronger legitimate claim to the English throne than her third cousin, King Henry VII, because she was descended from both Blanche of Lancaster and Constance of Castile, the first two wives of John of Gaunt (1st Duke of Lancaster, and fourth son of Edward III), whereas Henry VII was the descendant of Gaunt’s third wife, Katherine Swynford, whose children were born out of wedlock.
Elizabeth of York, Catherine’s fourth cousin and wife of Henry VII, was descended from Isabella of Castile and Edmund of Langley (1st Duke of York, and fifth son of Edward III). Isabella was the younger sister of Constance of Castile.
Catherine being female would always have been lower in accession behind any male living relative.
Having suffered infertility, there are many and varied reasons. My hunch would be rhesus incompatibility. Like Henry blamed his wives for not giving him a son, the reality of the situation it is the male that determines the sex of a child.
He had male offspring by Anne Boleyn ‘s older sister who was his mistress before Anne.
True!! And had this Fact been known back then, Henry would of been a Laughting Stock!!
Catherine wasn’t infertile, she had multiple pregnancies but only two live births and only one of those infants survived, Mary.
Catherine was a very popular and wonderful Queen. She wrote a book about the education of Christian women. She believed that all women should be able to read and write regardless of class. She was actively involved with humanism, which could be described as a Catholic intellectual movement. She had a book written for her about the education of all subjects. She believed all people should be educated, particularly in reading, writing, and rhetoric - the ability to express themselves eloquently.
She also tirelessly organised relief for the poor.
She was an incredible woman. It is annoying that so many women praise up the Protestant Anne Boleyn who was nothing more than a crafty tramp who was just out for what she could get and was the primary instigator in the rending of Christendom.
The devout Catholic Catherine was one of the most extraordinary women in history, but hardly anyone knows anything about her.
She also served with distinction as regent for Henry, which he never acknowledged!!
not anymore! And she courageously fought for her country while pregnant! 💝🤴🫡
You need to put more blame on Henry and less blame on the women in his life. You are forgetting that the one thing that women could do to find some power in their lives at that time is to find a good marriage. Henry on the other hand was allowed to do as he liked. he is to blame for not keeping it in his pants and staying faithful to his first wife. Or any of his wives!!’ You cannot blame the other women that came after Catherine because they wouldn’t be part of history unless Henry open that door and allowed, nay persevered to continually dispose of women who did not give him a son. it’s disgusting for you to call another woman a tramp when you know them so little and only what history has told you but the one thing you can know is Henry is the reason these women went through so much suffering in their lives. Have a little compassion for these women. They may have been rich and entitled, but they all suffered at hands of this disgusting man child…. So please the next time you throw around the word tramp or want to negatively portray a woman you don’t know think again about how much you actually don’t know. Again it’s absolutely disgusting that you were calling a woman You don’t know a tramp, especially when we know that history is told by men who are more than happy to smear a woman’s reputation. As another woman you should do better.
@carlyrossa1156 Well, you called Henry VIII a "disgusting man child" and I assume you are not on first name terms with him.
The information that provoked my assessment of Anne Boleyn as a "tramp" is based on what we know of her. She was known as "the concubine" in her lifetime. Her motto was about her personal happiness, another was "me and mine." Her emblem was a white falcon that meant someone who wouldn't stop until she got what she wanted. This is in stark contrast with Jane Seymour who took the motto "to obey and serve." This isn't popular in today's age, but the interpretation seen from the eyes of Catholic Faith is that the position that she was in was one of great responsibility. To be a Queen (although plague prevented an actual coronation) was not about her personal happiness. She cast herself aside in order to serve her King and country.
Very different.
Jane had been in Catherine's household so undoubtedly would have learned from being in the company of so great a woman.
I agree that we shouldn't blame women for things that rightly belong at the feet of men. However, I wasn't specifically discussing Henry VIII. I also find in unnecessary to talk about men when we are focusing on women.
I stand by my point that Catherine of Aragon was one of the greatest women in English history, yet she is overlooked.
Anne Boleyn is treated like a Christian martyr, but she was very far from the innocent woman portrayed by Hollywood.
It isn't possible not to feel sorry for the numerous men and women Henry VIII had executed. If I had been discussing King Henry, I would have plenty of terrible wrongdoing to place in his corner. I even contend that his reason for killing Anne (that has come to our age as fact) being partly because he needed a boy to secure the throne after him was just an excuse. Anne still had more potential childbearing years ahead and Henry had made Catherine of Aragon regent in his absence. This shows that he knew she was competent to rule even though she was a woman.
There is a great deal to say about Henry VIII, but my comment wasn't about him. It was about a great woman overlooked by a dreadful one whichever word is used to summarise her conduct.
@ I’m sorry you’re upset that a woman specifically Ann Bolin was all about doing what’s best for herself and you find that wrong but you don’t find it wrong that a woman’s motto is to obey and serve 🫠 I understand you’re looking at this as a religious point of view and that obey and serve might be something you think is good but I am not religious and to say that a woman is good because she obeyed and served is just disgusting. We are all human beings. We should all look out for our own well-being. It’s fine to choose to obey and serve, but not all women should have to be that way to be looked at as good women..
Henry was a narcissist…there is one school of thought that a severe jousting injury to his head, which nearly cost him his life, caused his personality to change. As far as his infidelity to Catherine is concerned, society did not expect men to be faithful during that period. In fact, multiple sexual partners was considered proof of virility throughout much of history, regardless of religious and other norms.
Less acknowledged and less public in some work places but probably as common. And there are workplaces which take it very seriously so there has been some improvement. I’ll restrain from commenting on the potential effect of the election on that improvement. A lot has more to do with fear of being sued than ethics. I’m 73 and can testify to the amount of sexual harassment at work and even in things like going out to eat or even shopping I experienced. They regretted it after I finished reading them the riot act but it was more stressful than I realized at the time.
If he had McLeod's then his personality would have changed anyway. And yes, trauma does affect you psychologically. As does being a spoiled brat.
Oh its still common. It wasn't exclusively men either.
I presented information above that Henry may have had McLeod's syndrome, a genetic disorder of people who are positive in the Kells antigen blood group. Both could explain his cognitive decline and the high rates of miscarriages and stillbirths his wives experienced.
I find the lives of women back then, tragic.
They were.
That's because they were. Most of them were just seen as brood mares😕
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Read up on more of the women. They were stronger and more influential than known. Look up Isabella who was married to Edward II. She was a strong woman IN and of her own rite. There are more of them. You just have to read up.
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I'm not replying to or for the four-month-old Trumpoid account, but for observers: a few queens do not outweigh the suffering of millions of poor women. What is that in exchange rate?
Catherine was a wonderful queen and a very learned woman with better royal lineage than Henry VIII.He was lucky to have her as his wife.She deserved better treatment than the cruel way Henry treated her and their daughter Mary I.
No they were not co-rulers of Spain! Isobella was Queen of Castile in her own right and Ferdinand was king of Aragon - a lesser area.
I heard the theory that Catherine of Aragon was RH negative, meaning her body would attack a fetus that was RH Positive. Since she had a stillborn child, it's possible the child was RH positive - the first pregnancy gets a "bye" because the woman's body hasn't produced enough antibodies yet to attack the fetus - and that created enough antibodies for Catherine's body to attack future RH positive fetuses. Since Mary was the only child to survive past childhood, she could have been RH negative too.
Some have wondered if Anne Boleyn was RH negative too.
Interesting. Do you know is the % of people with RH factors is increasing or decreasing?
I recently read that only 15% of the WORLD'S population is RH negative @@carolevonaarberg472
Yes. More recent research suggests that Henry may have had the rare Kell positive blood antigen.
People in this blood group may be able to have Kell positive children with a woman as a result of a first pregnancy. But with subsequent pregnancies the maternal negative Kell antigens will begin to attack the cells of the fetus, leading to miscarriages and stillborn births. Catherine of Aragon is unusual in that it was her 5th child Mary who survived, though her previous son Henry lived for 50 days. But Anne Boleyn's pregnancies definitely follow the more typical pattern. Her first pregnancy with Henry led to the live birth of Elizabeth, but she miscarried with subsequent pregnancies. We can't know what would have happened with Jane Seymour, as she died in childbirth in her first pregnancy with Henry. But it's reasonable to assume that she might have experienced the same rates of miscarriage as Catherine and Anne.
I'm not aware of his having had more than two illegitimate sons with his mistresses but Henry's wives experienced a 70% failure rate in their pregnancies, which is unusually high even for the time period. The Kell positive status, combined with possible sperm deterioration from Henry's morbid obesity (historians conclude that he weighed about 400 pounds in mid life) could have had a deep impact on his fertility.
Equally interesting is the researchers' hypothesis that Henry may also have had McLeod's syndrome, a genetic disorder often suffered by people who are Kell positive. The syndrome often manifests between the ages of 30-40, which roughly corresponded to Henry's age when he was married to these three wives. The condition causes heart damage, muscular control issues and motor nerve damage, all of which Henry appeared to have later in life. Most notably, the condition also causes cognitive breakdown and psychotic states. Its commonly assumed that the dramatic personality shift Henry underwent in his early 40s was a result of a head injury he sustained during a jousting match in 1536. But it's not beyond the pale to suggest that if he had McLeod's syndrome as a result of being Kell positive, his dramatic personality shifts were part of this disorder.
Some more information on this theory:
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/03/110303153114.htm
The Basque region in Spain has the highest frequency of RH negative blood. I know she came from a different region but could have a connection.
Yes, I often wondered about this as well.
Thanks for sharing this. Catherine of Aragon is my 15th.great Aunt. So I love hearing the stories of what their life.Thank you, Maureen
Interesting how you can track back that far….🧐🧐
@@colleenconger5265nobles had their own family directory’s allowing them to trace their lineage as far as their founding progenitor so it’s not far fetched to claim lineage
@sofiwilliams5120 One of my dad's cousins traced our lineage back to the time of Elizabeth I and we're just farmers.
@@helenryan5217 my great-grandparents on my mother's side were farmers.My grandmother parents.Many good times on that farm. I also have Pa.Dutch ancestry and I'm just as proud an interested in that part of my ancestry.
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Wow, such a captivating and well-researched video! I knew some details about Catherine of Aragon, but this really brought her story to life. Great storytelling!
This is excerpts from the tv series the Spanish princess and The Tudors. There is also the white Queen and the white princess. They’re all good
I’ve heard that Henry VII had already spent Catherine’s dowry, so didn’t want to return her to Spain because he’d have to repay it, and he was a cheapskate.
Whether her marriage to Arthur was consummated or not, her marriage to Henry had a dispensation from the pope, so it should have been rock solid.
Henry only used that excuse about their union not being fruitful because of some biblical quote because he wanted out of the marriage so he could marry Anne Boleyn. In any case, there’s a conflicting biblical law (as usual) that says if a man died without leaving a child (presumably male, to say Kaddish for his father in memorial each year), then his brother was obligated to marry the widow and impregnate her so the deceased’s name wouldn’t “die in Israel”.
And Lo, the Church of England came into being, because the pope wouldn’t annul the marriage (that had a dispensation) so Henry had a hissy fit and Anne was pregnant!! and made himself head of his church and got it sorted. Funny how you aren’t supposed to divorce in that church either, or if you do not remarry while your ex is alive, when divorce is the actual reason the CofE was invented.
Jan drew it is unlikely the dowry was spent because Henry the seventh was notoriously careful with money .The truth is that he loved accumulating money and left his son a full treasury .
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Even if Catherine didn't have anorexia she was Catholic which is where the ideas of repentance comes from, she would also have fasted (abstained from eating) A LOT including while pregnant as a form of prayer to keep the child safe, kind of ironic with our modern understanding of pregnancy that she was doing something so harmful to a pregnancy while thinking she was going to keep it safe.
With so many wives and only one healthy child, I’m much more inclined to think Henry had some communicable or genetic disease, but in those days, it was always the woman’s fault.
He had syphilis
@@barblacy619there is NO evidence for that. None of his children showed signs of congenital disease. It is however postulated that he did indeed have a genetic defect only expressed in the Y chromosome which would account for healthy daughters but compromised males.
I posted some relatively recent research that suggests that Henry had the positive Kell's blood antigen and McLeod's syndrome, which may have contributed to his wives' miscarriages and his physical and psychological decline.
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/03/110303153114.htm
He did have a son but illegitimate. Fitzsimmons?!?
Ann paid horrible price for it all..
It's interesting that Henry's mistresses bore multiple healthy children that lived into adult hood while his wives never bore surviving sons and, out of six, there were only two surviving daughters. Although it's mentioned that Catherine might have had trouble because of anorexia, because of the same problems in the other wives, it might have simply been due to the stress of the station that required her to have to use her classes in cunning from her younger years.
Seems to have happened with many monarchs...makes me wonder if men produce more sperm when in passion than they do when "doing duty".
Stress IS known to affect female fertility...that's why many athletes and dancers lose their periods .
RH factor which I have and had shots after each of my children...I had 4
Henry had one illegitimate son, no other children. Why do you assume it was a woman issue. I have read Henry suffered from McLeod syndrome that caused fertility issues.
It is actually thought that it was rhesus (Rh) incompatibility, which caused his wives to have so many miscarriages. Henry having a negative blood type, and the wives having positive blood type.
Yellow was never the Spanish colour of mourning, it was always black!
Can you advise me of your sources please?
All Queen Elizabeth of Castilla’s daughters were very well educated. She make sure of that.
You mean Queen Isabella, right? Queen (in her own right) of the then-recognized kingdom of Castille?
This is heart-breaking. Since before she could talk, her purpose was mapped out. Queen of England, have (long-lasting) son. Imagine the pressure, then losing that life-encompassing purpose, and that many children. I'll stay a peasant, thanks.
I commented too soon (14:30) it gets worse 😧
Very, very enlightening, memorable. Thank you SO much for giving access to this well of your knowledge.
A Black Heart in Autopsy is from Alkaptonuria a rare genetic disorder of tyrosine catabolism in which homogentisc acid accumulates over years in the body and has a widespread effect including degenerative arthritis and more rarely, cardiovascular manifestations. That could be one cause as well as metastases from malignant tumors however, it’s manifestations riddles the body parts effected by black tumor nodules peppering the organ, hence the term Charcoal Heart.
I think you mixed up your information. Alkaptonuria is not as you describe, maybe something else is. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK560571/
Malignant melanoma is so much more likely anyway.
No one has ever described Ann as 'bewitchingly beautiful'. Very attractive and full of vitality yes.
Excellent!! Bravo! 🙌
I’m thrilled I stumbled upon your channel yesterday - I subscribed as well.
Great info, I’m sure you’ll be extremely popular soon!
Thank you!
Such kind words - welcome to the channel!
Even today there are flowers and pomegranates (her heraldic symbol) left at her grave
Really enjoyed the history lesson.
More please.
Very well researched and interesting.
There’s a letter from Anne in the works of Leti, dated to 1525-1526, thanking the king for getting her an appointment as one of Katharine of Aragon’s maids of honor.
“The warrant of maid of honor to the queen induces me to think that your majesty has some regard for me, since it gives me means of seeing you oftener, and of assuring you by my own lips (which I shall do on the first opportunity) that I am,
Your majesty’s very obliged and very obedient servant, without any reserve,”
-Anne Bulen
It is true - Henry VIII was so desperate to keep Anne Boleyn within reach HE appointed the Boleyn sisters to Katherine’s court. The Queen knew of Henry’s affair with Mary and when he tired of her, he turned his eyes to Anne - thinking his appointment of the sisters would give him greater proximity to woo Anne.
I had heard of all of this BUT ... the part where she rode to Scotland ...while seven months pregnant. That must have taken a real toll on her health.
I agree with the rh neg incompatibility. Henry took the throne by conquest which implies he might not have been a direct descendant of rh neg royalty. The first child will survive but all subsequent children will be miscarriages or stillborn. Both Catherine & Anne were from nobility. The mistresses were not therefore normal pregnancy & birth were uncomplicated. I have always thought it was all Henry’s fault but no one knew about this incompatibility until abt 70 yrs ago.
My mother had 9 miscarriages also, and not until me did the doctor recommend total bed rest for the entire pregnancy!
Narcissistic abuse is real. Based on what we know about her husband the chronic abuse would have strained her body
I have never heard of "cancer ot the heart" before. Meaning, I have never heard of heart cancer before. Lung, throat, etc. But never someone dying from "heart" cancer ! Interesting...
Cancer of the heart is indeed said to be very rare, but not unheard of.
@@EdMorbius46Between the lining and muscle.
Not sure what @pfranks75 means (was it a question, or intended as clarification?). But here is some information from Johns Hopkins in the USA: "Cardiac sarcoma is a rare type of primary malignant (cancerous) tumor that occurs in the heart. A primary cardiac tumor is one that starts in the heart. A secondary cardiac tumor starts somewhere else in the body and then spreads to the heart. In general, primary tumors of the heart are rare, and most are benign (noncancerous)....Cardiac Sarcoma Symptoms - The symptoms of heart tumors will vary, depending on the location of the tumor. Tumors of the heart may occur on the outside surface of the heart, within one or more chambers of the heart (intracavitary) or within the muscle tissue of the heart." But in terms of Catherine, this is all speculation. We can't know what this story means in terms of her cause of death.
Sadly cancer can strike anywhere
I don’t believe Queen Catherine hired the Boleyn sisters. Anne caught Henry’s eye during a masque and Anne’s father - a weasel - made sure his daughters were installed in Catherine’s court by Henry.
Not true.
I think that fertility issue belongs to Henry the 8th because and also had the same problems after her 1st daughter constant losing of the baby twice after Could be even 3 times Poor and poor and Berlin You put-down the 1st wife and you got put-down
How awfully sad that this woman who had such a wonderful childhood endured such a sad end. Makes me wish she could have gone back to her parents.
I’m so well-rounded and well educated! What a waste of her life to end up with Henry .
We certainly do know the truth about Catherine and Arthur -- she wore it never happened, a woman as devout as she would never have lied.
Well, it sounded like she did want to marry Henry since her position was now precarious after Arthur’s death.
Very interesting. She was an intelligent, dutiful, Royal queen of England 🙏 Her prayers were answered and her daughter did become Queen after all.
Thank you for this sharing 🙏💖
Anne Boleyn was Queen Elizabeth I’s mother.
K. Henry is overrated. He didn't do or said anything great. That's why the Brits focus only on drama with his wives instead of how cruel he was.
He built England's navy. If he had not done that Elizabeth would have had a lot more trouble with the Spanish Armada.
Catherine suffered a lot.She was a victim of circumstances.
Well narrated.
More likely she had the miscarriages from a short cervix. It causes the babies to develop until they weight about 4 pounds and the pressure causes the short cervix to open up and the baby born prematurely.
It is actually thought that it was rhesus (Rh) incompatibility, which caused his wives to have so many miscarriages. Henry having a negative blood type, and the wives having positive blood type.
She had 1 child, Mary.
One surviving child@@sct4040
@@sct4040 she had one child that LIVED. She did give birth to a son, but he died before he turned 2 months old.
Rh negative is my theory
Ok if it was 7 long years wouldn’t Henry be older than 17 years wouldn’t he be 21 years old and Catherine older . So was it 7 long years?
No, God did not pardon Henry, his murdering ways growing worse and worse. Probably why the bible says not many nobel are chosen.
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Many say that although Henry supposedly celebrated her death in public, he wept bitterly after he was alone. I tend to believe this. Relationships that begin in childhood, whatever the relationship, seem to strike and stay closer to the heart than any other. So many memories taken into adulthood that can not easily be dismissed, even if the person was.
Inbreeding causes problems. Now we know it was Henry's fault.
I onow the show Tudors has its problems but I LOVE Katherine's actress.
Me too if only they had made her hair color more accurate red. She is also in outlander as aunt jacosta
I've Never Heard of Cancer of the Heart!!
Whoever was riding the grey horse in full armor had an excellent seat. 😉
As Queen, it was one of her major duties to provide the country with a male heir. Her failure to do so meant that she would have to step aside. The precedent was commonplace across Europe amongst wealthy families. As mentioned in the video, the wife would enter a convent, and the husband was able to have the marriage annulled, allowing him to remarry. Mary's position would not have been affected by this arrangement, so the claim that Katherine refused for the sake of her daughter is not strictly true.
Despite being a very religious woman who would have thrived in a convent, she refused to stand aside. Her own power meant more to her than what was best for the country. Although such a view is unpopular today, it was the expectation at the time. A king was preferable to a Queen Regnant. It is often made out that Katherine was a victim, but it was largely self-inflicted. She knew the societal expectations of the time.
The first recorded black people in England were mentioned in documents from the 13th century, long before Katherine's arrival. There are also historians who interpret references in the Domesday Book of the 11th century as meaning black people. This latter is a contentious interpretation, though.
Can you please cite an instance of a European Queen forced to move to a nunnery, so that her husband could remarry in order to begat a male child? This seems fairly unlikely to me.
If the marriage would be annulled, then Katherine would be regarded as a mere concubine, and Mary an illegitimate child. The only way out was a divorce, but Katherine was a daughter of the Royal Houses and her parents were the Defenders of tge Catholic Faith. So, she couldn't accept that solution as well.
Where are the movie clips from?
The TV series called The Tudors.
If Catherine of Aragon had produce a son instead of a daughter, there would have been no divorce or even discussion of divorce. King Henry would have had Anne Boleyn as a mistress, not a wife. And, best of all there would have been no break with the Church and no Bloody Mary.
The comments from the narrator kind of ruin the story.
British Kings are notoriously cruel. KC3 couldn't have Princess Diana hung or beheaded. Death by car crash is the modern equivalent. Diana knew her death was being planned. She hand wrote notes to other people of her fears. It turned out to be true.
Probably a Rh negative mother.
Title please
I'm sure Catherine didn't have 'aubern' hair. She's never portrayed this way. Being Spanish it would be very unusual
henry was relentless and cruel not to let any one be there for her final resting days. no one deservers to be alone like that. i can see that she could die of a broken heart. i heard that is actually possible. wasnt all of henery's wives at some point, his cousin some were or another?
If Catherine’s wedding to Arthur was witnessed to bedding, where were all the witnesses?
18:36 Her corpse's heart was black.
Did she say Genealogy or geology?
You obviously don’t know your history and esp religious history - it was Jewish and Christian tradition to marry one’s bothers wife if he died - it was not considered ‘disturbing’ nor was marriage at 15 - a male would be physically an adult then.
The monarch was Henry the 7th?
Stress
Yea I like her the best
DO NOT let demi levato anywhere near the queen.
She's suffered enough.
Anyone know the title of the movie or show from the clips? I recognize The Tudors, but not the other show
The Spanish Princess from Starz
In the titles and the portrayals(acted) why do they always look pretty. Get a minger make it more realistic.
Only way the heart was black - if this isn't a lie to miscredit her - is they roasted it over a fire until it got charred black.
Hemorrhage can result in black areas. Might she have had heart failure resulting in damage to the cardiac muscle? Just a thought.
A heart can turn black due to a rare genetic disorder called alkaptonuria, which causes a buildup of homogentisic acid in the body's tissue.
Total repetitive bs. The same old rubbish vomited yet again
Thanks for the breakdown! I need some advice: My OKX wallet holds some USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). How should I go about transferring them to Binance?
Capricorns have black cold hearts, that's what it was. Henry had figured that out, before she would have unalived him.
Wasn't he an early May Taurus? Regards
@satiricalsartorial If she wasn't a Capricorn Sun, then she was most certainly Rising Capricorn, that's in most cases worse. Rising basically shows the course of the chosen destiny, it's a physical body. The Sun is active, inner strenght in general, or bad strength, or no stregth in the case of 90+% of Capricorns, they lack energy, that's why they succumb to all kinds of tricks and crime to steal it from others. P. Diddy, for example, is a rising Capricorn, with Cap. Mars in conjunction. Sadly, Taylor Swift is Capricorn rising, as well, and full 1st house of Capricorn situated planets. She's been tricking you all, not me though, she's can't .
-Jingle hells, jingle hells, jingle all the way ...
-Silent night, creepy night, all is qiuet, all is deadly quiet...
I can't believe people still believe the horoscope nonsense.
@@kathleenstoin671 Yeah, because you're a Capricorn, and you're trying to getaway with your devilish and dark betrayals.
Capricorns (and those who choose to play the darkness game) have a hard lesson to learn, and it is: how to live out of their own energy, out of their own means, and not stealing it and anything from others, in any kind of way.
@DarjaTruth I'm not a Capricorn. I'm just not an uneducated superstitious person living in the 14th century. Astrology is a pseudoscience. Believing something doesn't make it true.
Nothing to learn here
No
Just jabbers on
In your female North American modern day opinion.
Just stick to the facts as you endanger ruining a very good video otherwise.
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Finished an EXCELLENT video.