Everything Wrong with 'Girlboss' Cinderella (2021) | A Rant/Analysis/ Battle Royale (Pt.1)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ก.ค. 2024
- Soo, I just watched Cinderella (2021)... ugh, let's talk about it!
In (dis)honour of the release of the latest Cinderella movie in a loooong line of Cinderella movies, I thought it would be a fun idea to go through my thoughts on everything this new Cinderella did wrong.. where do I even begin?!
CHAPTER TIMES:
0:00 A Disgruntled Intro
03:00 Cinderella's Childhood & Parents
08:36 Let's Talk about Cinders...
16:53 The Wicked Step-Mother and the Bumbling Step-Sisters
27:04 The Music
31:50 The Mice
35:06 The Prince
#Cinderella2021 #NotAnotherCinderellaStory - บันเทิง
Who's your favourite Cinderella? And which iconic character should I do a deep dive into next? (After Part 2 of this of course!)
Mine is R&H's Cinderella (surprise surprise lol). As far as another deep dive. Hmmmm maybe Cruella?
Have never watched any other ones besides this lol and if you haven’t yet can you please do legally blonde? The first one with Elle. Thank you!
The German original. It's Just bloodier
Danielle, the original animated Cindy and Ella from Ella Enchanted
I love Ever After and R&H’s Cinderella with Brandy and Whitney Houston.
This story was done much better a decade ago with The Princess and the Frog honestly, think about it, that movie was about a woman who was working hard to start her own business in the past. The difference is that Tiara actually had reasons for her motivations, and realistically someone like her (a black woman in the south in the 1920s) realistically would be in a position where starting her own business legitimately would have been a challenge for her due to how the world was then. The reason it worked there and why Tiara is easier to root for is because she refused to gain a victim complex and actually powered through despite her chances.
@Hi there And what's even worse, Princess and the Frog wasn't actually trying to sell a feminist or racial empowerment message, they just naturally wrote a black woman as a protagonist in a scenario where actually having a black woman's story would be completely valid simply so they could tell an interesting story, they weren't trying to be preachy about the message at all and because of that the story worked out wonderfully and was actually inspiring, this Cinderella was made specifically to push a message and that makes it come off as more of a parody of the message rather than an actual message
YESSSSS!!!
I love the princess and the frog ❤️
Yes, I forgot that one.
Music : I still think Ella Enchanted did it better. Jukebox musical.
Honestly, you know what I would have liked? If Cinderella's passion for dress making was one of the reason's the Prince fell in love with her. Like IDK, maybe have the Prince meet Cinderella while she's gathering firewood, or at the market or something. Some cute chit chat and she can notice that his jacket has a tear in it and offer to mend it for him. While sewing she starts talking about how her father would bring home these gorgeous fabrics from his business trips, and her mother would design beautiful dresses etc, and the Prince can just become ENAMORED by her passion for it. And Hell! Maybe he has an interest that Cinderella can support him in. Maybe the Prince really loves art work, or baking bread. IDK. Maybe he wants to farm and Cinderella teaches him about how to take care of a pumpkin patch. What I'm saying is I'd rather have a movie where two people support each other's dreams and ambitions vs a Girl Boss story
Yes yes and YES! This is such a great alternate plot 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 ugh Hollywood is so clueless sometimes 🙄
I love that. That ending they did was so trash, “
Ella: idk in love?
Prince: In love?
Ella:.. yeah
What was going through the heads of these writers
Now THIS is a much better story than what the people at Amazon Studios came up with!
I love your version of the story. Amazon's was too vapid. They needed a better budget for the costumes, but there was just so much people in this film. They had to stretch out that dollar and it showed.
Girl write it down! This is so cute!
The idea that a girl is weak because she dreams of marriage makes me sick. It's as if a woman is only empowered if she exists alone. Or that a woman can't be strong if she wants a man instead of defeating all men.
I’m gonna push back on “defeating all men”, I don’t think any modern character wants to do that blindly. Rather, they want to defeat male expectations of what they should be, which have historically confined them to a singular role or a very limited gender expression. We’re all limited by society’s expectations, so,e of us more than others.
However, empowerment exists in the space in that we can do whatever we wish - be a mother, a wife, a business owner, a warrior, or all the above... As long as it doesn’t harm anyone else, our dreams should be fair game.
i feel this a lot, like why is it a problem, its something I take personally because I want these things in my life ya know? and that does not make me weak or wrong, shouldn't we tell women that its ok for them to want what they want (as long as you don't hurt yourself or anyone else ofc) like not everything has to be girl boss or lots of money/power, some of us want different things, maybe more simple idk but its ok and these messages make it seem as if its the worst you could strive for, like who cares about a man or marriage/family go be a CEO blah blah, I DO SIS, I DO I WANT THE MAN XD sorry had to say it.
@@ambriaashley3383 In this movie it didn't gave that message tho.
Totally agree! Why do we view men who desire to be a husband and father as noble and strong and complete, but we view women who want to be wives and mothers as weak and not living up to their potential? In modern society women have the freedom to chose that role or not. In a lot of ways, remaining single and childless is much simpler and less stigmatized than ever before. So now, if a woman wants to marry and have a family, she probably really wants that. We need to quit diminishing this desire that most women have and find meaning in. It is super masaginistic. At the end of the day moat women feel more satisfied and complete in their role as a wife and mother than in their careers.
@@AdrienneJung.M Periodt screw the gender roles from the 90s because we're not in this time anymore.
I’m just over making the step sisters “seem” less conventionally attractive or are dressed in a way we wouldn’t appreciate to distinguish them from Cinderella. Like I honestly want to see some sisters that are just as gorgeous as Cinderella but it’s their personality alone that makes them unattractive. I just think we should stop with the beautiful people are good and not so beautiful people are bad
in the original story her step-sisters *are* very beautiful with ugly personalities--i have yet to see a version that figures this (though cinderella with brandy comes sort of close)
OMG YES!
@@sosha20 The only version of Cinderella's step sisters that I can think of that are beautiful but with ugly personalities is Into The Woods (the stage version, because the movie messed that up along with just about everything else in the story), and that story is only like 1/4 about Cinderella
There‘s an old version from 1955 with Leslie Caron: „The Glass Slipper“. The Stepsisters are gorgeous in this version and if you like old movies, I think you‘d enjoy this.
I think Ever After did a decent job at not making the step sisters seem less conventionally attractive but maybe that’s just me 🤷🏻♀️
Cinderella didn’t want a prince to rescue her, she just wanted one night out. ❤️
My thoughts: I feel that you're being a bit unfair towards Cinderella 1950;
*Cinderella's goal was a night of freedom, not snagging the prince. The story was never about the prince--he's literally a prize. It's his father that instigates the story with holding a ball and foolishly uses the shoe-test as a flimsy way to get the prince married (even the movie thinks it's ridiculous--there's probably at least a few dozen women with Cinderella's shoe size, unless the slipper is magical so it fits only Cinderella).
*I interpret the mice as representing Cinderella's agency--her method of resistance, be it in small ways, since in the beginning she has no choice but to keep the status quo (made clear when speaking to her dog Bruno). She finally fights back because she sees an opportunity for escape when the prince actively looks for her.
*This film's objective was retelling the fairytale in a visually appealing way using the medium of animation, and while it may reflect certain values of the times, it's not Eiser's Disney where they really push a message. 1950s Disney didn't influence to throw away my aspirations as a child--I just thought Cinderella was really, really lucky and that, well, friendship was literally magic lol
THIS, everyone is always shitting on 1950s cinderella, but for me it was and still is the movie that I watch when going thru hard times because she was hard working, resilient and kind and kept on dreaming. And yeah she never in the start wanted the prince, she just wanted to have fun (she probs never got to go to any balls and dances) and she was devasteded not bc she didn't get to meet the prince (she didn't even know she danced with him) but that even her last hopes and dreams were shattered by her abuser. And then she got help (and getting help is 100% okay, bc it is hard sometimes to ask for help or to get any help) from someone she had believed since child, got to have the best night of ger life, fell in love with someone she didn't know and then with the help of the mouse (her friends that she had saved, absolutely nothing wrong with getting help again) she went against her abuser. I still love and will love the story and the other movies around it just bring more depth to it. The third movie adds to cinderellas fight to get her escape from the abuse and the 2015 version explains everything more clearly
@@perpendicularmouse She was happy just keeping the shoe. Like the whole marrying the prince is just a wonderful extra thing, and that it just so happened to be that handsome stranger she danced all night with at the ball too. It was all a way more than she intended when she set out for just that one night of fun.
Turns out getting out there and creating social contacts who care about you is important when you are in an abusive situation. Who knew?/s
Well said!
Thank you. I loved the 1950s Cinderella as a kid. As someone who was abused by my family I could relate to her on a personal level and she gave me hope that one day I too could escape the abuse and be free.
Yes! The prince was never the goal, she didn't even know the prince was the prince for most of the movie. She just wanted one night where she could feel what it was like not to be burden by abuse and impotence. And it's really important, because it's the only thing we are shown she want, for herself. And her making the dress is her actively pursuing that want, and for her that's huge. Through the movie she develops, she grows, and she wouldn't have been able to leave her abusive step mother or take her chances with the prince, if all those other things hadn't happened before. (Also, 2021 Cinderella’s first song, she sings she's going to be bad? Like, the opposite of her character? And maybe it's just me, but for such an amazing dressmaker, I didn't like her dresses very much)
A common occurrence in these misguided movies is that the side characters and extras are more interesting/charismatic than the main. You want to follow them instead of the leads. For example, many Cinderella films have the rest of the girls in the ballroom look plain or gaudy. However in this version…every girl gave looks and Cinderella was plain.
Right! She was outshone in her own big night, and what’s worse is that she’s supposed to be ‘Designer Cinders’ and she has the worst dress in not just her movie, but in almost all of the Cinderella movies! 😭😭😭
Lmao yeah. Everyone else was wearing actual dresses and she was pretty much wearing tissues. It looked so cheap to me.
I’ll always be a strong believer in that Rodgers and Hammerstein Cinderella, and Ella Enchanted, and the one that Drew is in are three of the best versions of the Cinderella story. They all gave such a uniqueness to them, that made them absolutely unforgettable.💗
Three Wishes for Cinderella or Tři oříšky pro Popelku, is a wonderful version. It's a Czech/East German production that is a Christmas must in many European countries.
Yes when I was watching it, I thought I could be watching Rodgers and Hammerstein or Moulin Rouge (integrated pop music).
My top three will always be Brandi’s, 2015, and ever after for the story, the cast, and the fashion. Nothing tops these three.
Now are you talking about the book Ella Enchanted or the shoddy movie with Anne Hathaway Ella Enchanted? Because the former is a pretty smart reconstruction of the story of Cinderella with a wonderful love story and determined young woman of a protagonist and the latter is a shoddy, irreverent Shrek knock-off with a two-bit love story and dumb characters overall. Even the author, Gail Carson Levene, hated the film "adaptation". Other than the opening scene, Ella's curse of obedience, and the Cinderella setup, they're just apples and oranges.
@@inkylynx2777 the trick to enjoying the movie is to forget about the book’s existence (utterly). Cary Elwes is a master in the art of Camp. The beginning of the move is weaker, but the threads leading to the knife scene work well.
Just placing in my opinion, though I might get hate for it, but this is from personal experience(btw love you’re makeup)
As someone who has gone through abuse the same way as Cinderella(parental abuse) it’s not that easy to just get up and walk out. People are always like: If you’re unhappy and being abuse, just leave? It’s not that simple to just walk out. What are we gonna go? What are we gonna do? Who can we trust to turn to? The trust issues, mental issues, etc. that arise from abuse make it hard to leave(and in some cases it can be due to Stockholm syndrome). Even with adults, it can be hard. Cause you have bills and you can’t just be brought in by a new family. In the case of teens(which I am), we are very limited in what we can do. We can’t buy a house, we can’t provide much for ourselves, and we are limited in work.
Just wanted to add that in.
True. And in the case of Cinderella she was in like the 18th century poor thing. An orphaned, poor girl with no support whatsoever raised up in an abusive household. At that time she was lucky she wasn't thrown in the streets by her stepmother tbf.
Yup. And there was also financial abuse involved. If she had left she wouldn’t be able to buy food or have anywhere to sleep. Her staying was because leaving without money was impossible.
I’m very sorry you’ve gone through that (and/or are continuing to go through that rn). You are very strong to continue to survive and to be able to explain yourself so eloquently. I hope you are safe now - if not, please reach out to your Internet family for help. Sending love 💕
@@ambriaashley3383 I am safe now, I’m now with my mom(the non abusive one) so it’s all good, thanks for that 😁💖
i remember being quite surprised when i re-discovered as an adult that the cat's name is LUCIFER.
Wheeze that’s a mood
That’s the cats name. Wow
Honestly a Cinderella movie that did good with not having a real place in time is Ella Enchanted, bc they weren't taking themselves so seriously
Agreed. They leaned into the camp instead of trying to push an agenda. Yeah, this new movie managed to make an important thing into a right-wing joke by tokenizing and being so heavy-handed. FAIL. But Ella Enchanted is precious and I love it.
Honestly you'd love the book then. It's a bit different from the movie, but it's soo good.
@@MissCaraMint a bit different 😂. Yes it’s good. I enjoy them separately and try real hard to forget they are supposed to be related.
@@andurilcuivie Hey they way I look at it is: what's better than one fun version of a story? Well two fun versions of a story.
Yeah I can see where you're coming from, even though you're probably referring to the movie version. While the movie was a silly bit of campy fun, it was the book that knocked it out of the park for me. Give it a try when you have the time.
I LOVE that in the original Cinderella (1950) the King literally JUST WANTED GRANDCHILDREN. THATS ALL. Most realistic thing. 😂🥰
The animated Cinderella from the 50s had the king up in arms about this son's single-ness because he wants to spoil his grandchildren while he's still alive to do so. In Rogers and Hammerstine's version, the Queen is they one who insists her son find a bride ASAP.
I have always been tickled by that about the king. He misses the days of parenting his little boy and he’s just dying to have some children around. That dream he had that night after the ball playing horsey ride with his grandchildren was adorable!
My favourite feminist movies are Legally Blonde and Ramen Girl.
Legally Blonde’s Elle Woods we’re already a boss in her own way not because she’s a woman but because she’s well off and has passion to the things she’s interested in. In the beginning of the movie we saw how she can’t be fooled by retailer by selling her a cheap-fabric product. However, her wits and passion were misguided because the privileged life made her complacent and only valued attention and material things. Of course her calling to be a lawyer had to start with something narrow like getting the attention of her ex. But in the end, she made something of herself and be of value to the society while maintaining her feminine charm. As such, one doesn’t necessarily need to start from the bottom to be at the top just needs to be guided. Elle Woods was already at the top and got higher.
Angelina Jolie once mentioned that she loves playing a role of a strong woman without having to compromise the nature of femininity.
With Ramen Girl, Brittany Murphy’s character was a mess. She too was misguided until she learned from a chef about cooking and discipline. In the end, she completed her own dish in her own imagination. Of course it didn’t earn commendation from the critic but she earned the respect of her master. In the end, she gained her own business and lived happily.
Character is more powerful than characteristics.
‘Character is more powerful than characteristics’ - that’s such a great line, and thanks for your breakdown that was so interesting!
Legally Blonde is one of those rare movies that gets it right.
I like Legally Blonde because of her feminine wits she was able to point out flaws and give that shock and awe. It was well deserved. The movie shows case this very well and sadly we dont have that often.
This might sound weird but the movie that taught me the most about feminism/representing women is Mona Lisa’s Smile
It’s this one scene where Julia roberts goes to visit Julia styles character with information about how she can go to law school but Styles says that she chose to be a wife and mother. She wanted to experience being in a marriage and if she had really wanted to go, her new husband would have supported her. Meanwhile Kirsten dunst gets thrown into a marriage orchestrated by her mother and learns she’s not happy so she goes off to New York on her own to find herself and live with a friend of hers. But the way that styles explains her choice to roberts, “you taught us to go for what we want. This is what I want.”
OMG... I was always SO not a "girly girl" but I LOVED Elle Woods.
"Why only have one gender in society partaking in capitalism when you can have BOTH genders or ALL genders...actually no its not that inclusive..."
I YELLED OUT LOUD 🤣🤣 I had no intention of watching that movie but now I know I don't need to because I'm sure your video is much more entertaining!
The ballroom scene with the girls trying to get with the Prince was the only interesting thing about the movie. They weren't even main character but they had more of a presence than Cinderella and the Prince combined. Also, the Prince's characterization was all over the place and he was corny to say the least.
As a girl I think there is nothing wrong with a girl wanting a prince to rescue her but I also don’t think it’s wrong for a girl to be able to save herself which is why EVER AFTER is the best version she was able to save herself and teach the prince. She wasn’t tough she was just full of character.
And while the prince didn't save her literally, he saved her by loving her because it's all she wanted, love
I think people nowadays dismiss love so easily when to many abuse survivors it's a balsamic feeling
@@LiNestHetalia good point. Genuine, unselfish, caring love should be valued as well
I agree with the replies, but wanting love in general is different from promoting the specific ideal of men protecting and saving women, which contributes to the stereotype that women need saving. Even if it is a valid personal ideal to want to be saved by a man, it's still important to consider how this narrative affects society as a whole.
@@theeccentric7263 that's a fact, but this is why Cinderella isn't a bad example, the OG story do give Cinderella reasons that aren't finding love, she wants freedom from the abuse if her step family and in the process she finds the prince and love, this love gives her the freedom she always wanted, that's the point
I think that what's lost in recent adaptations is this equilibrium between giving Cinderella's character more agency without twisting the romance to something seem as weak and shameful to want
@@LiNestHetalia Still, according to your argument, the man was required to find freedom.
Movies like these act like there is only one personality that should be considered empowering. Despite her circumstances, og Cinderella never gave up hope, optimism and dreams. She never let her hard life harden her. That takes a lot of emotional strength. In other cultures’ versions of Cinderella, many highlight her emotional strength.
Edit: my favorite Cinderella’s are Brandy, Hilary Duff, Disney version, Bro. Grimm version, and a Native American version.
I love how she's so mad and passionate about this that she made a forty minute video AND a part 2, absolutely killing it
Enough is enough, I couldn’t take this level of trash! 😭😭😂
30:38 "So she's, like, a singer, right? Am I wrong or"
LMAOOOOOOSBCKSSOHDLWOCD
I consider this latest version of Cinderella to be the dollar store knock off of Ella Enchanted that nobody asked for. They even decided to include “Somebody to Love” as one of the songs, and sorry, but Anne Hathaway did it better.
Although not a film, my fav version of Cinderella was Roald Dahl. Because it ends with the prince chopping someone's head off and Cinderella deciding she wants nothing to do with the royals and marrying a jam maker instead.
Girl, preach! I LOVE Disney classics and have no problem with the "damsel in distress" setting at all. Those stories have their place and I find them very romantic. I don't understand why Hollywood thinks all female protagonists have to be "Boss Babes" and be these extremely forced radical feminists (Jasmine as well and Bell in Beauty in the Beast as well). Do they think this is what's gonna make the movies big hits? As a woman, this latest trend makes me sick to the stomach. Cringey, annoying, no thank you.
Jasmine and Belle are *radical* feminists?? I need more examples, please, bc they seem pretty realistic to me and both end up married lol. In the live action Disney remakes, the feminism seems forced in several instances, but it definitely feels less so in the original animated versions.
Even her step mother honestly wasn't that bad
She just wanted her to get married
She was doing house chores during the movie, so were her daughters
It says something about an adaptation when the person who should be the absolute worst isn't actually that bad.
Though honestly, that might be an interesting take on the story. Have the sympathy be with the step family and have Cinderella be a spoiled brat unable to accept them as family in place of her late mother (who she views with rose tinted glasses) or that the financial situation has changed. It'd be a less sympathetic Cinderella than we're used to, but it's not that far fetched. I think Confessions of an Ugly Stepsister tried something like this, but not completely.
In some versions of Cinderella (Grimm’s fairytale and “Into the Woods” play) her father is actually alive but doesn’t really care about her.
Live action Jasmine was probably one of the worst things in any of these remakes; making her want to become Sultan without changing anything about her personality or character arc is basically just having her be whining to her dad to do some nepotism which… is that the feminism Disney is trying to impart to us? That’s one of my biggest problems with these “feminist” versions of fairy tale characters, they just don’t fit. Bella is now an inventor! But why? Since when? Where is that plot line going? How is it relevant to the actual themes of the story?
But the thing that feels truly insulting about corporate feminism is that I feel like it undermines one of the most basic things that feminism is supposed to stand for: that a woman has the right to choose how to live her life and shouldn’t be devalued for it. Mocking the traits of the earlier Disney princesses because they weren’t girlboss enough is just counterintuitive. I recommend reading Caryl Churchill’s Top Girls, it’s a play that really shows how the Strong CEO Lady trope can be inherently misogynistic on its own.
But isn't royal hierarchy just basically nepotism though? (In Jasmine's case that you mentioned?) The throne goes to the Sultan's son or daughter's husband. Jasmine wanted 'herself' and not her husband to be the ruling person.
I know people harp on about the 'love at first sight' not being realistic (talking about the 1950s Cinderella here), but I beg to differ since it's happened with my parents, my brother, and a few friends of mine. My dad told me that by the 2nd date, he knew mom was "the one". Similar thing happened with my brother. My parents were engaged within months of dating and my brother married his wife in less then a year of meeting her. My parents have been married for 40 years now and my brother and his wife been married for 13 years. Sorry I am just tired of people saying "love at first sight" doesn't exist or isn't real. Sure things haven't always been easy, but they all made it through.
agree!!!
My nan told that she knew my granddad was the one (her words were that the boy I'm going to marry) when they first meet each other when they were 15, my granddad said the same thing about my nan (same wording as my nan), their been together for a little over 50 years now. My dad knew my mum was the one for him when he meet her.
Yeah, just because it’s rare doesn’t mean it can’t happen. Just don’t expect for it to happen
Totally agree with you, my dad told me once when he first met my mom, he felt like he was looking at the most beautiful woman in the world, and in his point of view, he fell in love with her at first sight and was using his own charming way to make a move on her. But to my mom's... well, let's just say her first impression towards him was not great as she thought of him as a kind of odd but quite nice looking man. Though she might find him odd at their first date, my mom began to get to know him better when they went on their second date. And that's when they both knew that these two were meant for each other.
My parents got engaged for a year and got married for 30 years, and their relationship is still going strong until.... my dad passed away in 2018, and my mom was completely devasted. It honestly breaks my heart painfully.
And my mom said she will never find a man like my dad who loves her deeply, for she is loyal to him even in death.
@@lovelymisspeggy5416 So sorry for your lost. My own father has a genetic disease that will eventually kill him. He's on meds to help prolong his life as much as possible. If it was for that he might already be gone by now, so every year we have with him is precious. I know I'll be devastated whenever his passes away since I am a total daddy's girl (even though I am almost 40).
Me watching the abuse in Cinderella: Oh OK, this is normal!
Normal people: why would she put up with being so disrespected IN HER OWN HOME.
Me: oh OK, I see.
The world is literally hopeless was your real mother was essentially the wicked step mother. 🤦♀️🤦♀️
Oof... I felt that
So sorry 😢
My favourite Cinderella is Ever After. I really like that one.
The Camila Cabello One... for being a fashion focussed arc, the costumes were really ugly and generic. (except for Billy Porter, he never does wrong, and that dress was so much better than the one Cinderella wore...) and the worst sin that a movie can make... It`s so boring...
To be fair. A king should probably always have a handy heir. The more the better. Getting a prince married so that he will have kids old enough to inherit when he himself becomes king isn't a bad idea for stability.
I'd never thought about this, but "a dream is a wish your heart makes" is literally what I've had to re-learn in therapy as an adult, because of life-long familial and childhood abuse. I actually lost the capacity to dream my future, I couldn't picture it at all, it was just a black void, and I still struggle with it. Because I was so depleted of identity that I couldn't even dream, not even just something impossible for the pleasure of it, much less actually plan a future for myself. It pains my heart in a good way that this is the central song of the movie. Sometimes dreaming is the hardest thing you can try to do. Simply wishing something better for yourself, and believing that you deserve it.
Ya know what? I’m gonna follow and like you simply outta principle. FINALLY SOMEONE mentions how Jasmine’s character in the live action was so dumb and not a feminist in the SLIGHTEST. They actually downgraded her character. Whatever I digress. I love your breakdowns and visuals-also your makeup and outfit steal the show. Period. ❤️❤️❤️
Cinderella's plot point of wanting to become a dressmaker and have her own shop kind of makes no sense because dressmaking, being a seamstress was one of the few jobs that women could have and in some cases it was a role like a midwife that ONLY a woman could have. Cinderella is a very backseat driver of her own dreams kind of character. She doesnt make things happen on her own, she doesnt really put that much effort into making the effort. She sells a dress because the prince buys it for his sister to impress her. She goes to the ball because the fairy godmother makes it happen. And she gets to her job because the PRINCE SHOWS UP AND HELPS HER.
This whole movie just felt like it was trying to be Ella Enchanted (the songs), Hamilton (again the songs and the quirky storytelling) and Cinderella 1997 (diverse interesting cast) and it just came off as bland and poorly executed.
Wow, I love when someone is so passionate about a movie/ a story (even better when it's about Cinderella)! I'm absolutely blown away! You made some amazing observations. My personal favorite Cinderella movies are still the animated Disney version (my childhood AND you can just see how much effort was put into this!), Ever After (incredibly unique setting and characters and breathtaking performances!!!) and Rodgers and Hammersteins'(funny, chaotic, beautiful and still surprisingly deep)
Thank you so much, and those are some of my favourite versions of the story too!
Favorite Cinderella? I'd say a tie between Brandy's and the animated disney movie. The animation is so gorgeous, Lady Tremaine is the most threatening step mother and she barely raises her hand against Cinderella, and it doesn't assume you need the moral of the story spelled out for you. Ooh and Brandy's. The choreography and the cinematography in the ball room with how the camera man literally takes you into the dance. I love how involved the fairy godmother was, she was smart and clever. I also love Ever After, although I think I personally love a little more fairy tale in my Cinderella and less realism.
I agree with your love to Ever After and by god does your makeup look stunning on you!
thanks TH-cam for bringing these beautiful commentators in my feed
Welcome to my channel, and thank you so much! ☺️
Cinderella stayed where she was because what other opportunities did she have? There was no help at all for abuse victims. She couldn’t just go out and get a job and find a new place to live. She had no one to help her in any way. It was the choice to either stay where she was, or to go be homeless. A homeless women never again stood any chance of having a real home. Who would have married a homeless woman? Who would have employed a homeless woman?
Cinderella managed to stay true to who she was regardless of her circumstances. That’s the power of her. She could have become as bitter as her stepmother (in every version) and both of her stepsisters (some versions have a decent stepsister though). But she didn’t, and by staying true to who she was, that is who the prince met and fell for.
Funnily (not so funnily) enough, this is still true today because the programs that are supposed to help have become gutted versions of their former selves. They do not provide even the bare minimum for victims to recover, nevermind maintain stability and move into their own lives again.
Only in the "Let's Talk About Cinders" part of the video and I've got a comment to add. I've been watching TH-cam videos about fashion history for inspiration on my worldbuilding endeavors. Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've heard, back before... I want to say the Industrial Revolution, women's fashion were driven by women-led enterprises. Industrious women would design, craft, and promote their clothing for other women to commission them. So again, someone who's more into Western fashion history, correct me if I'm wrong, but this Cinderella struggling to gain traction and constantly being oppressed for owning a business is a little... idk, it rubs me the wrong way.
Sure, sure, "fantasy story" and all that, but real life did showcase some industrious and entrepreneurial women, like the majority of saloons in the Wild West being owned and maintained by women.
I think I understand what you mean, the conflict feels very contrived and made only so the story can have a surface level dig at sexism and disenfranchisement.
I think another reviewer brought up the idea of changing the cinderella story in amazon by having her fall for the princess instead of the prince. Plus having her [Ella] actually get anything done without the prince [as he bought her dress and helped her get tothe Queen at the end]. Let Cinderella get her passion for sewing from her original parents, let her sell her first dress herself. let her have her own romance that is at the very least more nuanced.
Last thing this movie needed was to shoehorn in Cinderella being lesbian or bi. They tried shoving in everything else to the point of making jokes our of important causes. Having her be a lesbian or bi woman girlboss who won’t take shit from any man who gets a pretty dress by a “fabulous” gay godmother…no. This movie was already too heavy-handed.
Wait... so if they would have made the stepmother take credit for the dresses and maybe even had been forcing her to make them the plot would have made more sense..... Sony/Amazon pay me!
I swear I will leave a more thought out comment after finishing the video, but I have to comment right away because I love that your makeup and top are a little Cinderella look to match the topic! The eyeshadow is so beautiful on you.
Thank you, thank you, thank you! That's really kind! :)
@@JeannesMovieChats yeah, makeup is on point 🤩🤩🤩
In the 2015 version, the prince marrying makes sense because he is sick and died so the prince has to carry the weight of the responsibility of being king. It helps to have someone on your side especially one from an allying country.
Sorry if I repeated something you said.
My favorite Cinderella movie is the Czech version, named three wishes for Cinderella. I think it captures the independent cinderella more than the 2021 version could, and this one was made in the 70s. There aren't any songs in that version, but the music is beautiful.
I haven’t seen the film but every time Cinderella seems to be mentioned in pop culture Leto to the Disney version and forget the tales. And it’s not just Grimm and Perraul who have versions, there are hundreds of them, Cinderella is one of the oldest fairytales and the oldest versions are thousands of years old! I love the Disney version but it’s disservice to the film and Cinderella story to ignore everything else’s and often the film is just locked. And in extension of the film being mocked it feels all women from Cinderella’s circumstances in history are being mocked when it’s said how could this abused women not save herself and change everything about her society on her own.
Full offense, I knew it was going to be a bad film when I saw Camila as the lead. It's a shame though, some of the costuming looked really pretty.
I just feel like Ella Enchanted is such a better feminist take on this story. I know it's over the top, but it's a fairy tale! We don't need the "girlboss" take on this character. It's such a cheap attempt to pander to women who grew up on this story. We're not idiots, I'd like Hollywood to stop treating us like we are. Loving this rant!
A less known adaptation: the Slipper and the Rose (1976)
As a historian, I cringe every time these pandering films depict historical women as completely disempowered. Women have always been a part of the professional and merchant class. They usually worked alongside their husbands. The housewife who was restricted to her home was a rather privileged estate and a modern invention. A woman becoming a dressmaker would never have been a revolutionary thing, it was quite common.
Also, Why do we view men who desire to be a husband and father as noble and strong and complete, but we view women who want to be wives and mothers as weak and not living up to their potential? In modern society women have the freedom to chose that role or not. In a lot of ways, remaining single and childless is much simpler and less stigmatized than ever before. So now, if a woman wants to marry and have a family, she probably really wants that. We need to quit diminishing this desire that most women have and find meaning in. It is super masaginistic. At the end of the day most women feel more satisfied and complete in their role as a wife and mother than in their careers.
"I'm not like other girls" -2021 Cinderella who is in fact exactly like other girls
Your personality is absolutely FABULOUS - feels like having a gossip/vent sesh with a girlfriend. I've seen a lot of people say "it's not that deep", but when that funding could have been used for a more innovative retelling, maybe a prequel, or maybe a different movie entirely...it's disappointing, and not even done well. Also, any movie that legitimizes James Corden gets a no from me 😂😂
PS: that blue shadow makes your eyes pop, damn. Thank you for brightening up what has been a bad day at work 💙
Thank you so much for your lovely comment! I’m glad you found some laughter in my rant loool, it was very cathartic! And you know, I used to be a fan of James, especially because of his hosting work here in the UK, but I’ve officially reached my James Corden limit I think…
Yeah, James Corden needs to go. Any James Corden slander is a-okay with me.
@@sseraphim2818 I think we all, collectively, need to roast him until he gets knocked down a peg or too. Mans got too much arrogance!
The 2015 Cinderella's kindness is exactly what saved her in the end. She met three strangers and influenced them in a way that they wanted to her, and they did.
that fake college rejection letter definitely made jennifer coolidges step mom the most terrifying and evil version of the character. like thats just an extra step to keep the object of her abuse close and miserable and reliant on her. too scary
Right?! That just really hit different to me, just next level evil!
Ever After for me is the definitive version of Cinderella. I've never seen a movie representation as good as that one and probably never will.
my favorite version of cinderella is probably Ella Enchanted, i loved the way they went about and it will always have a special place in my heart 😭
The '97 Brandy/Rogers and Hammerstein Cinderella is a remake of the 1965 Rogers and Hammerstein version and the 'in my own little corner' song is present in that one as well. The 65 film was culturally significant at the time because it was one of ginger Roger's last movie roles almost like an encore performance of her long and storied career.
ok, but why did I also make the same video lol?? Great minds think alike, bc this film was a mess. Loved watching this tho!
Your eye shadow is dazzling and you look like a princess 😍
Thank yooouuu! 🥺🥺🥺
97 Brandy, Disney animation and '65 Rogers and Hammerstein will always be the ones I think of since they are the ones I dearly remember from childhood. Everafter gets consolation prize (the film is good, but when I first saw it at like 12 or whatever I thought the prince was a butt ugly jerk and didn't buy the romance)
I haven't finished this video yet but I just HAD to make a comment. I just found your channel and I think I'm hooked!! the way you present your videos is so charismatic to me, I could listen to you for hours.
!!! I absolutely love your style of analysis, it's so engaging and clear! The music section in particular was my favourite - I can never put my finger on what it is about some singing that feels so detached and you totally nailed it - that lack of presence and feeling with over production
This channel deserves more hype! I'm loving this commentary :)
I love that blue eye shadow ,you look gorgeous
Brilliant, Love your commentary and choice of words and everything. You need your own show! Great work. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I love this video and your insight is delightful!! Also R&H’s Cinderella music has held up so well since 1957 and the fact that people fell in love with it again in 1997 says a lot
This was in my recommend section, and I am glad it was. Great video!
This review was phenomenal. The points were great, I can tell there was a lot of work put into this, so thank you so much for putting all this effort into this amazing video. And Jeanne you are so engaging and charismatic, and I love your laugh! This video made me so happy.
Thank you sooo much, I'm glad you enjoyed the video! :D
Loved this review! R & H's Cinderella is The Moment for me out of all of these but all of these except for the 2021 are good, like, I enjoy them all to some extent. Love your look as well. That eyeshadow on you is divine. 💎
The dress she got discovered for wasn’t even one that she made 😑
this is the first video i’ve seen from this channel and i’m so glad I clicked! I totally agree with your opinions on these movies, I might have to rewatch the good ones again, and you look stunning too.
Thank you so much! And yes you should definitely go back, Ever After and R&Hs Cinderella are on Disney Plus if you have it ☺️ (although that’s in the UK, I’m not sure about elsewhere)
I know Enchanted isn’t a Cinderella movie but it touches on a lot of the points your making, and it’s SO good. It cleverly combines the 2-dimensional “archaic” values with modern ones, and manages to highlight the pros and cons of both. It has a cartoonish prince and a realistic love interest. It has a evil stepmother and a (potentially) nuanced stepmother in Nancy, played by Idina Menzel. In fact Giselle BECOMES a stepmother by the end. The music is good, the choreography is good, the message is good, the acting is amazing (I mean it’s Amy Adams, need I say more).
I just really love Enchanted, it’s _so good_ .
With how beautiful you look, you should have been the princess of this story. I am so happy to have found your channel. Your passion and enthusiasm for film has me hooked. Can't wait to see more from you.
your eyeshadow is everything!!!!!
I personally liked how the movie ended. Cinderella will travel the world working as a seamstress while the prince is sort of a househusband. That's my jam.
that makeup & blouse Cinderella theme you got going on... perfect! :D
I feel I could listen to you rant on any topic. That was so enjoyable! Your accent is heavenly and I agreed with literally 100% of your commentary. You've got me wanting to watch A Cinderella Story now. I think that and the original cartoon are the only ones I haven't seen yet. Oh, and this 2021 thing which I have no interest in watching so thank you for doing the dirty work and watching it for me.
I’m a huge fan of Cinderella movies and this was great. I love how you did a baby blue outfit and makeup to go with it. Even your earrings are perfect.
I LOVE your sweater!!!! Okay now I'm going to watch your show. Just had to get that out first. 😂
Your makeup is giving me life. And yes. And I really always had issues with Cinderella, but it’s more about projects who love her story. Like they miss the whole story, but only like the ball situation. I’ve fallen in love with her as an adult. Thank you Ella Enchanted and Ever After. I will watch this film soon.
I just love your energy, got yourself a new subscriber and a fan. Now time to binge her videos after their review 😂
Thank you so much! ☺️
Haven't seen the video yet but I just have to say how GEORGEOUS your eyeshaddow is! You are beautiful
Thank you, you’re so kind! ☺️
I enjoy the way you explain and dissect the characters and the story and giving examples, I wish more literature teachers were like this ;u;
Thank you so much, I actually got a lot of this structure from studying English lit in school so it really did help me in the long run! :D
I just wanna say that i love your makeup. You look stunning!
Your eye makeup is beautiful! Love the color!
Fantastic video! I’m so glad the algorithm recommend it to me
If you want an actual unique take of the Cinderella story? There's a manwua called "I raised Cinderella preociously" and it's just everything you would want.
I am looking forward for this review!!! Thank you, Jeanne! I appreciate you late night reviews. My favorite live action Cinderella film is the Brandy version.
That is the correct answer!!! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 and thanks for checking out the video 😊
Those brandy film is just as tragic as her
I actually disagree with the idea that Disney's Cinderella from 1950 wanted a prince. She wanted a BREAK. She wanted a night to get away and have fun for once, and the prince provided a vehicle for that.
I've seen Everafter so many times I can quote pretty much the whole thing. Great video. Thank you. 😁
I'm so glad I discovered your channel! Thank goodness the algorithm pushed me here xD
great video! :)
new view on the mice (love them) but yeah I like your commentary on them
Still feel the 1950 cinderella is a better rolemodel than any of the new ones. Like she doesn't go the ball because she want to find a prince, she goes to the ball because she just want a night out, experience an evening without her oppressors. It isn't about "money", or putting other people to work for their own design.
Instead the old movie's rolemodel is someone who is kind, caring and optimistic. Something for others to strive for, as if they can be kind and caring to people they meet along the way, they'll eventually be okay, instead of "being self-employed" or "bread-winner" etc. That's all related to our capitalistic market, in the sense that we assume being secure financially will provide you with happiness. But the old cinderella takes care of all the mice and birds she meets, and the other animals in the house, they're more stand-ins really for human connections you can form, and that helping others in need is something that's worth striving towards, because if you help others, when you yourself need help, some of them will be sure to help you in return. I like that message a lot more.
And I don't think it's fair to say she should've "fought back", or been more "rebellious", like she is litereally said to be abused, and going up against someone who have abused you is not something that should be expected. Like it's basically trauma they're imparting on her, and expecting her to just shrug it off is a very masculine idea of "you can do anything if you really wanted to." And that's like the furthest from the truth, which is why I think the advise her mother gave her were actually good, because she basically told her to create for herself a support-system, so she stood a chance at survival. Like we don't know if it's physical abuse either, but it could be that as well, and I would never tell a child who are being physically abused to just be "stronger", like they're not in the wrong here, and it's okay for others to help you, since you don't have to do everything "alone" (which is another weird masculine idea as well).
The prince is just poetic justice. As the stepmother and sister's wanted him, but they're vain and selfish, so seeing Cinderella get him instead of them serves that purpose, but they could've replaced the prince with any man of high enough power to free cinderella from her oppressive family, and the movie wouldn't change too much. I much rather teach children to rely on other people, so they don't end up alone, and to foster and care for those relationships, than I want them to think of "how are you gonna earn money when you get older" from child-legs. Like I feel the ladder is just something you do, and never really settle on unless you're part of a few, you more or less just stumble through life, but at least if you hold the same values as the old cinderella, you won't be alone.
(In terms of if it's believable if the prince and cinderella could fall in love, I would say they did really well in drawing the way they look at each other, like there's def' chemistry, and they do walk and dance quite a bit in the garden, but I also think it was on purpose to not include what they talked about/bonded etc. Because it is the 1950, and the concept of "dating" is fairly new, like it's only really after the war the whole "dating will start to appear in different ways". Like "courting" was probably the term succeeding "dating" but still with the pure goal of marriage, you didn't court someone just to become their friends, so it's a thing influenced by the real world culture surrounding cinderella at the time, and therefore not fair to deem it "impossible" since a lot, if not most people did do it like that.)
Just discovered your channel, love it!
@43:29- One of the funniest lines from Ever after comes from the King himself after Henry asks for a university to be built where anyone can go- "All right, who are you and what have you done with my son." LOL! Yeah he did have a great char ark. I have to say my fav Prince actually comes from an anime version of Cinderella Monogatari since it's a 26 episode series, it REALLY does a great job fleshing out the Prince lol. He pretty much goes from a lazy prince (even the king is doubtful he'll be able to succeed) to a true hero and definitely deserving of his title. I do recommend you check out this series, I think you can find it on TH-cam. *Looks it up* YEP!
Ooh, I haven’t seen that one, thanks.
I've seen a number of Cinderella movies, but I was a kid and don't remember any of them very well. I haven't seen this movie either.
I really like this video because I love listening to people talk about things they're passionate about, even when I'm not passionate about those things myself. I'm even thinking I should watch some of these movies sometime.
(Also hoping you've done / will do a video on Beauty and the Beast because that's one of my favorite stories!)
Love your energy in your videos
I enjoyed your video, but I think your a little harsh on the 2015’s message. Cinderella says within that movie she chooses to stay at the house and endure the abuse because that’s the house she knew love in. That’s the house where her parents lived and died. She wants to care for the house as a way of memorializing it. Her mother’s message to her was have courage and be kind. It had nothing to do with being meek or a doormat.
Cinderella is not my favorite Disney princess, but she is in my top 5. The beauty of her character is she doesn’t grow bitter, hateful, spiteful, or revenge driven. She had love demonstrated to her and given to her. She endured heavy emotional and physical abuse, but she’s not cast down. She cares for those within her power to care for, she has dreams of a future, and she doesn’t claim to be a victim. I think people like to force a victimology on her, but she doesn’t claim it herself. She goes against her stepmother, and even has the insight to save her slipper. She manages to get out of her locked tower defying her stepmother again. Yes she receives help, but the prince is not her savior. He’s also not the one who gives her purpose. The godmother arranges the meeting with her and the prince, but it’s not a choice forced on either of them. The mice help her out of the tower by giving her the key. In the end, it’s the grand duke who removes her from her abusive home. She desires a family, a warm loving home, and a secure future. The prince provides all of that. He treated her kindly, he was respectful to her, he didn’t make her a mistress, or demean her because of her status. He may have been misled at their first meeting, but not the second. He’s well spoken, handsome, has a secure future, and has shown a loyalty to her in seeking her out after she leaves. Cinderella’s dreams come true. She has a loving relationship with her husband. Or at least that’s what Disney leads us to believe.
The message of the 2015 movie was beautiful. It took great courage for Cinderella to leave her family home and become queen of the nation. She goes from having a quiet family life to a life of a royalty. It’s not an easy life. Even if she’s not a lawmaker, she’s a person with power now. She’ll most likely be in charge of the castle household; which is the equivalent of a small village. She’d be in charge of the hospitality for statesmen and ambassadors from other countries. That’s a lot to take on. Planning the meal alone would be a nightmare that I’m glad I don’t have to take on. Also, as someone who has watched friends, and had family members go through abusive situations, it’s incredibly difficult to extricate oneself from it without assistance. Humans are social creatures and we rely on our relationships to help us in life. These may be romantic relationships, but they can also be familial. How many of us rely on our family to get us through difficult times? Or good friends? Cinderella behaved just as you would expect any human being to in her situation.
My favorite part in the 2015 version was when she forgave her stepmother. She doesn’t tell her she loves her and that they’ll have a close relationship or that she’ll see her in the future. It’s a simple I forgive you. The stepmother didn’t earn it, or even ask for it. In fact, I think it’s going to drive her mad. However, Cinderella demonstrates a most valuable lesson for people everywhere. Forgiveness isn’t about the other person, it’s about you. When you forgive someone, you’re releasing a burden of your soul. With forgiveness, Cinderella is able to enjoy her new life with the prince. The chapter with the stepmother has closed, and needs no further consideration. She is now free. If Cinderella wouldn’t have forgiven her stepmother, her future happiness would be mired. She would still be bound in chains. In this way, she demonstrates how to be free in body and spirit. That is what made the movie of 2015 so powerful.
So wow, my comment was a whole lot longer than I anticipated. I really did enjoy your perspective on this new adaptation. I think when you went in-depth in your character analysis of the folks in Cinderella, it really added understanding to just how horrible this new film is. Don’t hate me too much because I loved Whitney Houston as the godmother, and I loved the prince, but Brandy didn’t do it for me. I liked her character in the film, and thought she was great. If I pick a favorite Cinderella from Rodgers and Hammerstein, I’d have to go Julie Andrews. Her voice is angelic, and the way she embodied that role was fantastic. I can’t wait for your part 2.
The 2015 version was definitely a doormat. She had choices and a means of escape but chose to stay because of some vague excuse about loving her home. She also lowered herself to the status of servant because of her mother’s “be kind” mantra.
They started off strong, but the end damaged the message. She was in the tower just singing instead of at least trying to do something to get out. In the 1950 version, while the mice helped by getting the key, she was still fighting to break the door down. 2015’s Cinderella just accepted it and danced and sat by the window literally just singing. It was such a strong movie until that point, and yes, her reason for staying is entirely understandable.
@@LibraryAmbientJunkie what means did she have? Another house to go from her own home? And as the original commentor stated getting out of abusive place can be difficult. She wasn't a doormat, she was abused and often tried to hold her ground.
@@LibraryAmbientJunkie if she was a doormat she would’ve done what her stepmother wanted her to at the end of the film. She didn’t. Also, what status did she have? The time period she lived in is not today’s. She may have been able to get a servant’s position in another house, but why would she do that when she could have the same occupation in her childhood home? A place where she received love from both her parents. Her education level isn’t revealed, but even then her means are very limited. Instead of choosing to wallow in self pity she was singing a song to comfort herself. It was meant to encourage her spirit. Do you ever sing or lost to music to cheer yourself when feeling sad?
The truth is Cinderella is extremely resilient for that time period. She not only survives but is elevated to a monarch. She’s queen by the end of the movie. Even when people are cruel and hurtful toward you, you don’t have to be cruel back. It takes more courage and strength of character to be kind to those who mistreat you. The message of the 2015 film is one much needed for you people especially young girls. They’re constantly told or shown they’re not good enough. Cinderella is accepted for who she is by the prince, and she isn’t vulgar, crude, or overly sexual. Young ladies need to see that more. A lady doesn’t need to be a warrior or flashy. She can be quiet and kind, and still have respect from others. I don’t think you’re fully understanding the message the film was communicating. It was beautiful and sweet. Especially after some of the ugliness we’ve seen in the world recently, we need more films like this one, not less. If people were kinder towards each other, the world would be a much happier place.
@@christianprincessjohn1122 OG Cindy yes, but I hated Lily James’ acting. I thought it was weak. She had none of the charm, subtle wit or bravery the original had. Also she was a grown ass woman and that’s a tougher sell sympathy wise than a child who was raised from abuse. And she never even tried to fight back against her stepmother, at least OG tried to stand up for herself. Also there’s no definite time period in this movie. It’s supposed to be an older time period but they mixed it with modern elements like fifties costumes and that made it really garish looking. And if she forgave her step mother than why did she still make her leave the kingdom? At least in the Perrault version she actually forgave them and then invited them to live in the palace.
There’s absolutely nothing “too long” about a thoroughly accurate review. I also wonder if you’d enjoy The Slipper and the Rose it’s another musical version of Cinderella made in the 70s with Richard Chamberlain as the prince and I will say it’s by far one of the most accurate representations of the royal family in any Cinderella movie ever made EVER! It’s handled beautifully and the concept for the fairy godmother is really original and something ive never really seen done before or anytime after. Also the music was written by the brothers who did the music for Mary Poppins! It’s a good watch!
Your eyeshadow is mesmerizing
R&H with Brandi and Whitney was the best Cinderella with a close second being Ever After. I loved loved LOVED the songs/acting/casting in it. It was just too perfect