Same here. I honestly can not tell the difference. And neither could the vast majority of their customers. The whole thing (to me) comes across as a bunch of the more snobbish types of audiophiles got embarrassed because they couldn't tell the difference either.
I'm just glad that it went this far and that MOFI were forced to learn a lesson. Hopefully other companies get the message that being transparent about the mastering chain, and not being lied to about it, is important to the record buyer. It tends to be a lie of omission though, and if a record's pressed from a CD but they don't say anything, there's probably not a case there.
In the early 1990's I was in one of these class action lawsuits against Aiwa. I can't remember what the deal was but I had one of their stereos and worked great for years. I got a check for $50.00 bucks.
King's X - In The New Age The Atlantic Recordings 1988-1995 (2023) ......... just released ....... good one for filling in those holes in your collection ........ ;-)
The less people in a class action lawsuit, the more cash you get. What MoFis I have, we're bought second hand. I certainly will not be buying anything new from them
I'm over it, I threw away the settlement bs. Waiting for some One Step releases . They are expensive, but so are the AP UHQRS . But.....wow, they're good !!!!! Aloha
Am I pissed off about being lied to/overcharged for their mastering practices? Hell, yes. Do I want them to go out of business so I can get $50? Hell, no. I just want them to be honest and for their products to be priced accordingly.
I'm done with MoFi 1-step records. Don't see any reason why I should buy digital format on vinyl. There are other companies that reissue 100% analogue LPs.
Agreed, I wasted my time just reading, by the time I would get all the required info I figured I’d make about .25/ hour. If I was litigating I would have made them give us a free record of our choice. I guess the only one who made money on this was the lawyers, again!
The issue for me with the MoFi one steps is the overcharging, why not do this MoFi, 1st, charge a reasonable amount, 2nd on proof of ownership of other One Steps provide the owner with a discount code/s for direct purchases of other MoFi products.
I got mine in the mail last week. Like you said, I figured it’s not worth it. I just won’t buy anymore! They’ve lost my business. Hope it was worth a couple hundred bucks mofi !
Heyoooooo, you've been my number 1 for getting my start in vinyl! I was curious if you had any thoughts on Fluance's new RT81+. Im considering it for my first turntable and from what I've learned from your videos it seems like a great choice! I'd be using it with the SpinBase, to get the most out of my own personal starter set!
If I bought more new records, I'd have to buy a Record Pi. I just got a dish warped import from HMV Store Shibuya (Tokyo, Japan) and such warps seem to be the rule, not the exception.
Enjoyed the video. I stopped buying Mofi LP's many years ago. I have a few from the early 80's and early 2000's and found that their EQ choices didn't go well with mine. Coincidentally I had a couple of Santana LP's (not the one-step) I sold on DIscogs before Mofi-gate and got a decent amount for them, doubt that is the case anymore. I know that Miles Davis Mofi 45rpm pressings circa 2016? are flooding the market and going for pennies on the dollar now.
Been on the fence with these myself. I own a few 1-Steps and other Mofi releases. Before the fraud was exposed, I had issues with about every other purchase related to quality control. So, the lies pushed me to stop buying any products from Mofi and Music Direct. The problem with a full refund option is you can only get 110% of the original retail price. This means if you (over)paid the secondary market prices, you’ll lose money in the end. Who really wins there? For me, all I’m really looking for is an HONEST apology from Mofi instead of the half-baked explanation we got that doesn’t admit any fault. Unless that happens, they won’t see another dime of mine again.
But it’s not a few bucks. You can return any of the Mofi records for a FULL REFUND. Most class action lawsuits rely on the customer’s word they bought X number of applicable units. But by requiring a full listing and proof of purchase you are able to get much more than someone saying, “Oh, yeah, I purchased three optical drives between 1999 and 2011”. Mofi are little rascals. They admit no liability for what they did, despite paying back millions to their customers. MoFi apologized for using “vague language”… which we can all agree is as much a lie as how they marketed their recordings. If there are no consequences for them, what’s going to stop them from pulling some shady stuff in the future?
It’s a full refund if the suit goes that way. I have a feeling it will probably end up being just a few bucks to everyone involved, though. I suppose we’ll see.
I'm thinking about returning the Janis Joplin Pearl one step and Paul Simon Still Crazy after all these years, they just don't sound that great and I would lose money going the usual discogs route. I might ask for a couple coupons related to some other titles.
I only own 1 Mofi one step, and I live in the UK (I read somewhere that you can only apply from within the US?). Anyway, the one step I do own, I bought after the whole Mofi-gate - so I knew about the DSD step when I purchased it. The reason I bought it was because it was a fav album, and it was massively reduced. Sure it sounds fine - would it have sounded better as an all-analogue chain? We’ll never know, maybe not. Would I buy another Mofi release? Only if it were priced the same as a regular vinyl record to reflect the now lack of exclusivity (that DSD file ain’t gonna degrade). If I was the owner of multiple Mofi’s, I’d be pissed at the fact that I spent all that money getting something that I thought was exclusive and special, so I urge anyone who can to make that claim.
My biggest complaint about these class action lawsuits is that the plaintiffs (you and I) will usually be awarded $3.24 each while the lawyers go home with millions in Lawyer fees. These leaches are the ONLY real winners in these stupid legal clusterf&$%s, so what I think is that we, the PEOPLE, should be doing is bringing a lawsuit against this whole thing, demanding that these lawyers be awarded no more than what the plaintiffs are awarded (which I know would dry up these lawsuits as a result but so be it unless we can prevail to the bitter end of this whole legal mishmash). Thus, we get more, they get less, and honest JUSTICE prevails.
If you choose not to take action, and still interested in their product, you should buy now at current prices. No way their pricing model remains the same after they have to absorb the lawsuit costs. For me, I buy SACDs anyway, so DSD was never an issue. I just hope those don't go up in price. I imagine this is also why we are not seeing their announced titles with any semblance of speed to market.
I just bought the Half Speed, remaster by Abby Road, Dire Straits Bros in Arms for the second time because the static and clicks. The recording/mastering is superb, just sloppy work at the pressing plant (Germany). The second copy was actually worse than the first! I'll say my MoFi records have been very low noise and play well. I'm thinking of getting their Remaster of Bros in Arms to compare.
Well..! I am in Australia so I am automatically excluded. As such I probably don't have any right to comment here, however I will say this... Getting MoFi albums here is extremely difficult. The MoFi albums I own sound absolutely amazing. Did they mislead in their marketing? Sure, maybe! I don't care... The records and the presentation are beautiful. All said and done... who tf cares.?! If you do care that much then you need to go and take a cold shower and get a grip.
I got that Mofi class action lawsuit. I’m actually not mad at Mofi. I thought the records sounded good before and I think they still sound good. I didn’t buy any One Steps though.
I’ve never bought any of the Mo Fi over priced 1 step or 3 step whatever it is they did lie. I am curious did they ever going back years did they ever actually do the 1 step process but change in the recent years
The one-step process is still just that and always has been. It’s about the source material. As far as I know, some were indeed analog in the beginning but I can’t confirm that.
MOFI, They don't give a rats ass, they denied and denied and then shifted the blame to their customers, never apologized for their actions. The said they were sorry WE were confused. The law suit means nothing, they should be shut down and have their assets seized. An employee being "embarrassed" is not humility and contrition on the part of the company for &ucking over customers. I will never give them a dime in sales. You said fetching :) If you weren't fickle you would probable accept that anything "swamp thing" is Kitschy.
I have several MOFI records, and like you, no way am I gonna go through all that hassle for a few bucks. DSD or whatever, they sound good to my ears.
I hear ya.
Same here. I honestly can not tell the difference. And neither could the vast majority of their customers. The whole thing (to me) comes across as a bunch of the more snobbish types of audiophiles got embarrassed because they couldn't tell the difference either.
@@michaelrogers4157so true!!😂😂
I want less ads on the internet
You and me both.
I'm just glad that it went this far and that MOFI were forced to learn a lesson. Hopefully other companies get the message that being transparent about the mastering chain, and not being lied to about it, is important to the record buyer. It tends to be a lie of omission though, and if a record's pressed from a CD but they don't say anything, there's probably not a case there.
From what I can tell, Mofi has definitely learned from this. We’ll see if it’s a lesson that sticks, though.
Thanks for keeping us updated
My pleasure.
In the early 1990's I was in one of these class action lawsuits against Aiwa. I can't remember what the deal was but I had one of their stereos and worked great for years. I got a check for $50.00 bucks.
Better than a black eye…
King's X - In The New Age The Atlantic Recordings 1988-1995 (2023) ......... just released ....... good one for filling in those holes in your collection ........ ;-)
They have a couple of collections that are certainly worth a look.
The less people in a class action lawsuit, the more cash you get. What MoFis I have, we're bought second hand. I certainly will not be buying anything new from them
While that's true, it also doesn't mean the settlement will be a big one. If there's a settlement at all.
I'm over it, I threw away the settlement bs. Waiting for some One Step releases . They are expensive, but so are the AP UHQRS . But.....wow, they're good !!!!! Aloha
The UHQR releases are all analog, though. To me that justifies the price. If Mofi drops their price on those one-steps, I’d certainly still buy a few.
Am I pissed off about being lied to/overcharged for their mastering practices? Hell, yes. Do I want them to go out of business so I can get $50? Hell, no. I just want them to be honest and for their products to be priced accordingly.
They’ve updated their marketing to be accurate, but I’m still waiting for a price drop. I’m not holding my breath.
The fish don’t lie. You’re passionately fickle.
Possibly fashionably pickled. Like the vinyl!
Also, big ups to whoever sent that mystery gift. It’s always nice to see niceness on the internet.
I think the fish was pretty accurate as well. Go figure.
I cannot imagine a lot of people are going to jump through all those hoops for those options.
The hardcore collectors will, but I’m interested to see how many of the fringe collectors will get involved.
I'm done with MoFi 1-step records. Don't see any reason why I should buy digital format on vinyl. There are other companies that reissue 100% analogue LPs.
Very true.
Agreed, I wasted my time just reading, by the time I would get all the required info I figured I’d make about .25/ hour. If I was litigating I would have made them give us a free record of our choice. I guess the only one who made money on this was the lawyers, again!
You just might be right on that.
Here you are another "miracolous" product!! Vinyl record scratch cleaning... Restore the groove damages.... Too good to be true.... What do you think?
The issue for me with the MoFi one steps is the overcharging, why not do this MoFi, 1st, charge a reasonable amount, 2nd on proof of ownership of other One Steps provide the owner with a discount code/s for direct purchases of other MoFi products.
You might be on to something…
I have only 2 mofi's (I live in UK.) I bought Bob Dylan's 'Oh Mercy' and 3 days ago Dire Straights 'Brothers in Arms'
I have that Dire Straits. I still play it with regularity.
Im sure a bunch of seattlelites complained about that that!
I just ordered the joe bob’s last drive in from terror vision, thanks for showing them off
That vinyl is amazingly awesome. Fuck yea.
I’ll have to look that up. I like what I’ve seen from the company thus far.
I got mine in the mail last week. Like you said, I figured it’s not worth it. I just won’t buy anymore! They’ve lost my business. Hope it was worth a couple hundred bucks mofi !
I'm hearing that a lot.
Heyoooooo, you've been my number 1 for getting my start in vinyl! I was curious if you had any thoughts on Fluance's new RT81+. Im considering it for my first turntable and from what I've learned from your videos it seems like a great choice! I'd be using it with the SpinBase, to get the most out of my own personal starter set!
I haven't heard it. The speed variation at 1% is a little concerning.
If I bought more new records, I'd have to buy a Record Pi. I just got a dish warped import from HMV Store Shibuya (Tokyo, Japan) and such warps seem to be the rule, not the exception.
Warped records are definitely more common than they should be.
Hey, good new look.
Thanks, Danny. It was just time for a change.
Enjoyed the video. I stopped buying Mofi LP's many years ago. I have a few from the early 80's and early 2000's and found that their EQ choices didn't go well with mine. Coincidentally I had a couple of Santana LP's (not the one-step) I sold on DIscogs before Mofi-gate and got a decent amount for them, doubt that is the case anymore. I know that Miles Davis Mofi 45rpm pressings circa 2016? are flooding the market and going for pennies on the dollar now.
The second hand market has definitely taken a hit.
Been on the fence with these myself. I own a few 1-Steps and other Mofi releases. Before the fraud was exposed, I had issues with about every other purchase related to quality control. So, the lies pushed me to stop buying any products from Mofi and Music Direct. The problem with a full refund option is you can only get 110% of the original retail price. This means if you (over)paid the secondary market prices, you’ll lose money in the end. Who really wins there?
For me, all I’m really looking for is an HONEST apology from Mofi instead of the half-baked explanation we got that doesn’t admit any fault. Unless that happens, they won’t see another dime of mine again.
I wouldn't hold your breath on that full apology. I have a feeling they'd just like to let it die.
But it’s not a few bucks. You can return any of the Mofi records for a FULL REFUND. Most class action lawsuits rely on the customer’s word they bought X number of applicable units. But by requiring a full listing and proof of purchase you are able to get much more than someone saying, “Oh, yeah, I purchased three optical drives between 1999 and 2011”.
Mofi are little rascals. They admit no liability for what they did, despite paying back millions to their customers. MoFi apologized for using “vague language”… which we can all agree is as much a lie as how they marketed their recordings.
If there are no consequences for them, what’s going to stop them from pulling some shady stuff in the future?
It’s a full refund if the suit goes that way. I have a feeling it will probably end up being just a few bucks to everyone involved, though. I suppose we’ll see.
hey. you ever gonna review the eat e-glo petit? you still have it?
I use it every day. I’ll get around to it eventually. I just have a backlog of reviews I need to get through.
I'm thinking about returning the Janis Joplin Pearl one step and Paul Simon Still Crazy after all these years, they just don't sound that great and I would lose money going the usual discogs route. I might ask for a couple coupons related to some other titles.
I’d be very curious to see how that turns out. Please keep me posted if you go that route.
@@thevinylattack will do!
I only own 1 Mofi one step, and I live in the UK (I read somewhere that you can only apply from within the US?). Anyway, the one step I do own, I bought after the whole Mofi-gate - so I knew about the DSD step when I purchased it. The reason I bought it was because it was a fav album, and it was massively reduced. Sure it sounds fine - would it have sounded better as an all-analogue chain? We’ll never know, maybe not. Would I buy another Mofi release? Only if it were priced the same as a regular vinyl record to reflect the now lack of exclusivity (that DSD file ain’t gonna degrade). If I was the owner of multiple Mofi’s, I’d be pissed at the fact that I spent all that money getting something that I thought was exclusive and special, so I urge anyone who can to make that claim.
Sounds like a fair assessment to me. I think you’re right about the US only stipulation, though.
My biggest complaint about these class action lawsuits is that the plaintiffs (you and I) will usually be awarded $3.24 each while the lawyers go home with millions in Lawyer fees. These leaches are the ONLY real winners in these stupid legal clusterf&$%s, so what I think is that we, the PEOPLE, should be doing is bringing a lawsuit against this whole thing, demanding that these lawyers be awarded no more than what the plaintiffs are awarded (which I know would dry up these lawsuits as a result but so be it unless we can prevail to the bitter end of this whole legal mishmash). Thus, we get more, they get less, and honest JUSTICE prevails.
The lawyers do indeed get their pound of flesh.
I didn’t appreciate the lie, but I’m over it and have no intention of selling or returning my Mo-Fi records.
If you choose not to take action, and still interested in their product, you should buy now at current prices. No way their pricing model remains the same after they have to absorb the lawsuit costs. For me, I buy SACDs anyway, so DSD was never an issue. I just hope those don't go up in price. I imagine this is also why we are not seeing their announced titles with any semblance of speed to market.
If Mofi raises their record prices after this mess, they deserve to lose all the business they will.
I just bought the Half Speed, remaster by Abby Road, Dire Straits Bros in Arms for the second time because the static and clicks.
The recording/mastering is superb, just sloppy work at the pressing plant (Germany).
The second copy was actually worse than the first!
I'll say my MoFi records have been very low noise and play well.
I'm thinking of getting their Remaster of Bros in Arms to compare.
Germany needs to get their stuff together, eh?
Well..! I am in Australia so I am automatically excluded. As such I probably don't have any right to comment here, however I will say this... Getting MoFi albums here is extremely difficult. The MoFi albums I own sound absolutely amazing. Did they mislead in their marketing? Sure, maybe! I don't care... The records and the presentation are beautiful. All said and done... who tf cares.?! If you do care that much then you need to go and take a cold shower and get a grip.
I got that Mofi class action lawsuit. I’m actually not mad at Mofi. I thought the records sounded good before and I think they still sound good. I didn’t buy any One Steps though.
They do sound good, but the blatant misinformation was very disappointing to me.
@@thevinylattack I have a feeling with new technology the all analog thing will be forgotten.
@@vinylrichie007 As long as there are audiophiles, there will be a desire for analog.
I’ve never bought any of the Mo Fi over priced 1 step or 3 step whatever it is they did lie. I am curious did they ever going back years did they ever actually do the 1 step process but change in the recent years
The one-step process is still just that and always has been. It’s about the source material. As far as I know, some were indeed analog in the beginning but I can’t confirm that.
All my MoFi releases are SACD so I guess I'm good.
Looks that way.
MOFI, They don't give a rats ass, they denied and denied and then shifted the blame to their customers, never apologized for their actions. The said they were sorry WE were confused. The law suit means nothing, they should be shut down and have their assets seized. An employee being "embarrassed" is not humility and contrition on the part of the company for &ucking over customers. I will never give them a dime in sales.
You said fetching :)
If you weren't fickle you would probable accept that anything "swamp thing" is Kitschy.
You still alive my guy?
Mostly.
@@thevinylattack good to hear. Had me a little concerned with how long it's been since your last upload. Hope all is well my friend.
@@scottyridehome3394 I appreciate your concern.
I just won't buy their products unless they are deeply discounted. Lost their cred.
I can understand that.
I've bought 40 or more, and there's no settlement for anyone outside of the US
That is indeed a rough stipulation for some. I'm sorry to hear it.