I too have been looking for Milo alternatives. I was unaware that Milo didn't have beneficial microbes, but it makes sense. Gonna pick up several bags before Fall ends and put some down with aeration and overseeing. Might try collecting and adding to leaves to see how well it helps breaks down mulch pile next to the garden. Unusually warm fall here in Michigan. Looking fwd to a jumpstart in spring. Thanks for info.
Can you tell me what kind of begonias those are? And do they come back every year? Looking to do something similar. Thanks for the video. I too will be awitching from milorganite. My zoysia doesnt like a lot of nitrogen anyway
I switch my plans up slightly each year or majorly every other year just because it's an interesting hobby to me. I am a cool season grass junkie by default. I throw Milo down throughout the season, every other year. I sure am going to try this out next season. I am glad I ran across your video.
hey mr. colborn, I checked out your channel and this is actually really quality stuff. its really cool and your lawn looks super rad. i myself mow my lawn every Saturday, and might actually consider watching your videos for tips.
1 extra benefit of milorganite..it will bring back damaged turf quite quickly..maintained a golf course for 25 years...brought back many areas of damaged turf for multiple reasons..as well, will get seed germinating in tough conditions..all this said, I'm going to pick up a back of this at Menards..should be interesting! does it contain any iron, like milo?
I agree, there are many great uses for milorganite. The main difference between these two products is that the beneficial bacteria is not killed In the chickn poo like it is in milorganite.
🌞Great video, Kyle! I, too, live on a lake, but try to stay at least 100 ft or more from the bank to avoid fert run-off into the pond. Do you have any regulations or HOA rules that govern the amount of fert you can apply on your turf to avoid lake contamination? This is my first time living on a lake and trying to learn about the lake ecosystem. We have huge bass and bluegill and hope to keep it that way. Turf looks great!
Thank you, buddy! I appreciate you watching and commenting. Congratulations on your lake home. Our rule is to have at least a 10 foot buffer zone by the water when fertilizing. We have a sea wall along our lawn and a beach area past it, which keeps my fert from running into the lake.
I can get the coop poop version delivered to my local Ace Hardware, a 40lb bag is $19.99. Been thinking about using it next year and spoon feeding my zoysia and common Bermuda mix. Like somewhere between 0.10-0.20lbs of N per 1000sqft every couple of weeks, at least through the spring and early summer when rainfall is adequate.
You can do the same with Chick N Poo unless you have high phosphorus levels in your soil. Easter, Memorial Day, July 4, and Labor Day. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@lakehouselawncare1755 the state of Michigan actually restricts Milo (6-5-0) applications to 2x/year due to naturally higher phos levels. I haven't done a soil test for mine specifically. Using Menards version (4-3-0) I could do 3 apps. But I'm thinking of 2 Milo apps and 1 chick n poo (in the fall after over seeding). Or I'd have to find a Phos free organic fert.
I live in Va and there is no Menards but I have an Ace Hardware, locally! Win! I’m gonna try to pick up some soon!! How much does a 40 lb bag of Coop Poop cover?
Heard this is great stuff. I'm in Florida so a comparable option here with less phosphorus (soil in Florida has alot of Phos. already) is 5-1-1 Moorganite, chicken litter and Composted Cow Manure. Sold at Tractor Supply stores, not many people know about it, but it's alot more expensive than this product.
It’s a slow release fertilizer, so the results aren’t instant. I applied it in the fall and it greened up faster and looked awesome in the spring and has ever since.
Looks like there are 4 Ace Hardware locations in Arlington. I’d give them a call and see if they have Coop Poop available. It’s the same product as Chickn Poo.
That’s a crazy high amount of phosphorus. You say you didn’t use a starter fertilizer. This fits the description of a starter fertilizer, it’s the equivalent of a 10-20-15. I would definitely call that a starter fertilizer
Thank you for your expertise, But 4% phosphorus is far from crazy high. You do bring up a good point and I should specify that this shouldn’t be used as a primary source of N because of the ratio.
@@lakehouselawncare1755 ratio wise it is very high, just like a starter fertilizer. I don’t know what bag rate is on it, but if you’re not using it as an N source what exactly are you using it for? Just because it’s a low analysis doesn’t really mean anything. Majority of people are going to apply bag rate, or even more since “you can’t burn the grass”
The difference between this and milorganite, and main benefit of this product is the amount of beneficial bacteria and fungi that increase the soil nutrient availability. The bag rate is 10 lbs/1000. I hope the putting green is filling in well for ya!
Thank you Scott! I’ve been really happy with the results since I started using this. It will benefit your soil more than anything and help prevent things like fungus damage and it allows your grass to uptake nutrients more easily.
btw, if you ever in doubt what milorganite is made of, put some in a cup of water and smell it the next day. you will be terrified (hint: it smells like it’s raw source)
@Lakehouse Lawn Care I know I heard another one of your videos you mentioned coming out of winter lol. We have some homes just like that by my house, anyways thanks for all your help with the useful information. I'm going to seed bermuda -black jack and give it a go- bought a jd260sl so really psyched about all this. Take care. Robert
i bought this after you recommended it in your previous video. i didn’t expect it to smell but it does, even my kids noticed. anyway, i like how it works and the price point. i prefer this as a an organic alternative (i use lesco as well). i would not use milorganite ever - it’s essentially peletized human feces. smartest idea to export milwaukee’s feces all over america’s lawns but not on mine. human just like dog or cat waste does not belong on our lawns regardless of how processed they were. thank you for the reco!
I visited the most traditional Berber village in Morocco and they transformed the desert into fertile soil to grow all their food - with humanure compost. Did that for thousands of years. Yeah the humanure pellets have a MUCH stronger acrid smell than the ChickNpoo. People think ChickNpoo stinks - they have no idea what they're missing. It takes about a week to get rid of the humanure compost smell. At least I hope it went away. haha
I once used a product called Chickity Doo Doo. The odor that came from it after watering was terrible. So terrible that my neighbors were not happy. I never used it again for that reason. It was bad. Lol
I’m a gig fan of improving the soil by supporting the soil life. Looks interesting and would also like to spike my flower beds. Maybe something to try next season.
Ouch a lot of claims there. I love some chicken manure fertilizer but ouch. Applied at 0.7lbs of N per 1000 gives you 1.4lbs of P as well. It's also $10 for a 25lb bag. That means if you apply it at 0.7lbs of N per 1000 like most fertilizer bag rates, it will cost you $14 per 1000 sq ft. That's expensive!!!!
Thank you for your input, Jon. The main benefit of this product comes from the micro organism Activity and the benefit it has on your soil and your lawn’s ability to uptake nutrients. I’m not applying it at the rate you mentioned.
@@lakehouselawncare1755 I agree that the chicken manure is great. Unfortunately, it's not a product that should be applied on a soil with adequate P already unless just as a one off application.
Am I the only one that cares about the humane treatment of chickens? It's obvious they are factory farmers. I'd rather spend my money helping rid the planet of people poo than help a factory farmer earn more money.
@@lakehouselawncare1755 But, are the chickens together like sardines or do they have room to roam? Do they get to go outside in more than a few feet of space? If the answer is yes then I'll be buying their product. But the pics look like that's not the case. Pics can be deceiving though.
To Do a fair trial you must apply the exact same conditions to both treated and non treated lawns. Why on earth did you apply less water to the non treated lawn. You should have applied the exact same amount of water to both. Your trial is a flop. I drug trials they do blind trials where the researches do not even know which drug is the placebo and which is the trial drug. If they do it fir drugs you can do the same for chicken shite. I have no doubt it will be a great product when you bring the nitrogen to 10%. MiloShite is a rip-off off.
I wouldn't necessarily compare this Milorganite. It's apples and oranges really. Milorganite has iron. This has calcium and a little magnesium. Two of which my soil test said I'm already crazy high on. It does have 80% slow release nitrogen though which is about 13% more than Milorganite. You basically have to buy two bags of this for every one bag of Milorganite to get .77lbs of N per 1000sq ft.
Hey Ross! Thank you for your feedback. The main comparison is that of two organic fertilizer options. The main benefit of chickn poo over milorganite is the beneficial bacteria and fungi that increase the soil nutrient availability. The heating process used by mikorganite kills all of that bacteria and fungi.
How about a 5k sq ft yard one 25lb bag of chicken poo and one 25lb bag of milorganite. I really like the concept but I still want the small amount of N and iron in the milorganite formula.
Lawn looks great! The different in the flowers is impressive, too.
Thank you, Jimmy! I appreciate you watching and commenting.
I use it because of this video ! This is the what every lawn needs ! Love it and recommend to all my friends ! Thanks for the video !!!
Hey , grass is looking awesome! How often on cool season lawns, I've got a bag ready to go!
It might be to late here in Cleveland area but will definitely try next season.
It’s definitely not too late. You can apply this all the way up until your first freeze. Thanks for watching and commenting!
I too have been looking for Milo alternatives. I was unaware that Milo didn't have beneficial microbes, but it makes sense. Gonna pick up several bags before Fall ends and put some down with aeration and overseeing. Might try collecting and adding to leaves to see how well it helps breaks down mulch pile next to the garden. Unusually warm fall here in Michigan. Looking fwd to a jumpstart in spring. Thanks for info.
Hey Paul! Yes, it is packed full of good stuff you won’t get from milorganite. Sounds like you have a great plan. Thanks for watching and commenting!
What months do you recommend? To use it
Can you tell me what kind of begonias those are? And do they come back every year? Looking to do something similar. Thanks for the video. I too will be awitching from milorganite. My zoysia doesnt like a lot of nitrogen anyway
Hey Shane, these are just red begonias that come in a flat from Lowe's they are my favorite annual flower and get huge.
I switch my plans up slightly each year or majorly every other year just because it's an interesting hobby to me. I am a cool season grass junkie by default. I throw Milo down throughout the season, every other year. I sure am going to try this out next season. I am glad I ran across your video.
Sounds like a good plan! Thanks for watching and commenting.
hey mr. colborn, I checked out your channel and this is actually really quality stuff. its really cool and your lawn looks super rad. i myself mow my lawn every Saturday, and might actually consider watching your videos for tips.
Thank you, Abe! I appreciate you watching and commenting.
@@lakehouselawncare1755 your welcome, and congrats on 10k!
Just did my fall overseeding with the chicken poo what a fantastic product thanks for the recommendation
Thank you for sharing this, Danny! I appreciate you watching and commenting.
Menards has the best budget fertilizers!
Great vid dude
Thank you, George! They really do. I love that place.
1 extra benefit of milorganite..it will bring back damaged turf quite quickly..maintained a golf course for 25 years...brought back many areas of damaged turf for multiple reasons..as well, will get seed germinating in tough conditions..all this said, I'm going to pick up a back of this at Menards..should be interesting! does it contain any iron, like milo?
I agree, there are many great uses for milorganite. The main difference between these two products is that the beneficial bacteria is not killed In the chickn poo like it is in milorganite.
You sold me 😁 im going to give a closer look at that stuff and related products, I need more non-milo options to turn too that aren't as heavy in N. 👊
Yeah, buddy! It’s good stuff and great for your soil. Thanks for watching and commenting, my friend!
LoL. Thanks for the info. My local Menards has it. I'm going to buy some tomorrow.
It’s good stuff and not many people know about it. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Good video. I'm thinking of going all organic next year and you put this on my list of products to look at
Thanks for watching and commenting, Brian! If you can’t find ChicknPoo in your area, you should be able to find Coop Poop. It’s the same product.
where can I get it in NY?
Not available in North Teaxas?!
🌞Great video, Kyle! I, too, live on a lake, but try to stay at least 100 ft or more from the bank to avoid fert run-off into the pond. Do you have any regulations or HOA rules that govern the amount of fert you can apply on your turf to avoid lake contamination? This is my first time living on a lake and trying to learn about the lake ecosystem. We have huge bass and bluegill and hope to keep it that way. Turf looks great!
Thank you, buddy! I appreciate you watching and commenting. Congratulations on your lake home. Our rule is to have at least a 10 foot buffer zone by the water when fertilizing. We have a sea wall along our lawn and a beach area past it, which keeps my fert from running into the lake.
Used this stuff for the first time this year and I agree! I like it better than Milo. Going to be part of my lawn care plan going forward.
I couldn’t agree more, Brad. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Wish I can use that ftee water for my lawn
What is your fee for water?
Free water is definitely a luxury. Thank you for watching and commenting!
I can get the coop poop version delivered to my local Ace Hardware, a 40lb bag is $19.99. Been thinking about using it next year and spoon feeding my zoysia and common Bermuda mix. Like somewhere between 0.10-0.20lbs of N per 1000sqft every couple of weeks, at least through the spring and early summer when rainfall is adequate.
Hey Matthew! It’s good stuff. You will love the results. Thanks for watching and commenting!
I live in CT how can I get it shipped to me or my local ace hardware store ?? Thanks
I'm in Michigan. How often should I apply this during the season for my lawn? Milo is suggested 4x/season around holidays.
You can do the same with Chick N Poo unless you have high phosphorus levels in your soil. Easter, Memorial Day, July 4, and Labor Day. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@lakehouselawncare1755 the state of Michigan actually restricts Milo (6-5-0) applications to 2x/year due to naturally higher phos levels. I haven't done a soil test for mine specifically. Using Menards version (4-3-0) I could do 3 apps. But I'm thinking of 2 Milo apps and 1 chick n poo (in the fall after over seeding).
Or I'd have to find a Phos free organic fert.
That sounds like a good plan!
I live in Va and there is no Menards but I have an Ace Hardware, locally! Win! I’m gonna try to pick up some soon!!
How much does a 40 lb bag of Coop Poop cover?
Sweet! Yes, Coop Poop is the same product. The last I checked, it is $19.99 for a 40lb bag. Thanks for watching and commenting, Willie!
Heard this is great stuff. I'm in Florida so a comparable option here with less phosphorus (soil in Florida has alot of Phos. already) is 5-1-1 Moorganite, chicken litter and Composted Cow Manure. Sold at Tractor Supply stores, not many people know about it, but it's alot more expensive than this product.
Thank you for sharing this, Travis! That sounds like a great option, too. I appreciate you watching and commenting.
How soon did you see results after putting it down? Is it a quick release fert?
It’s a slow release fertilizer, so the results aren’t instant. I applied it in the fall and it greened up faster and looked awesome in the spring and has ever since.
I want some; however, they don’t deliver to CT.
I’m going to check and see if there’s any place near you that may have it available.
Great video Kyle. Lawn is looking good.
Thank you buddy! Good luck to you in the lawn this fall.
Can’t find available in my area? I’m in Arlington Texas. Suggestions?
Looks like there are 4 Ace Hardware locations in Arlington. I’d give them a call and see if they have Coop Poop available. It’s the same product as Chickn Poo.
Bold statement friend! 😁 Going to check it out for sure!
😂 I wouldn’t have said it if I didn’t mean it. Thank you for watching and commenting!
@@lakehouselawncare1755 can you tell us more about the microbial content? Always interested in the soil science 🤓
That’s a crazy high amount of phosphorus. You say you didn’t use a starter fertilizer. This fits the description of a starter fertilizer, it’s the equivalent of a 10-20-15. I would definitely call that a starter fertilizer
Thank you for your expertise, But 4% phosphorus is far from crazy high. You do bring up a good point and I should specify that this shouldn’t be used as a primary source of N because of the ratio.
@@lakehouselawncare1755 ratio wise it is very high, just like a starter fertilizer. I don’t know what bag rate is on it, but if you’re not using it as an N source what exactly are you using it for? Just because it’s a low analysis doesn’t really mean anything. Majority of people are going to apply bag rate, or even more since “you can’t burn the grass”
The difference between this and milorganite, and main benefit of this product is the amount of beneficial bacteria and fungi that increase the soil nutrient availability. The bag rate is 10 lbs/1000. I hope the putting green is filling in well for ya!
@@lakehouselawncare1755 it’s doing decent. Or at least I think it is 🤷🏻♂️
What do you suggest for weed killer if your trying to go mostly organic
I have a weed pulling tool I use when weeds pop up. It’s called the Ames stand up weed puller
@@lakehouselawncare1755 thank you
Awesome video Kyle ! I’m definitely going to look into getting some.
Thank you Scott! I’ve been really happy with the results since I started using this. It will benefit your soil more than anything and help prevent things like fungus damage and it allows your grass to uptake nutrients more easily.
I'll have to give it a try!! The results speak for themselves! Plus can't forget that you'll save 11 percent at Menards too🤣
11% off!?! Sounds like you save big money at Menards
@@aquienpuedainteresar4188 that's right saving big money by shopping at Menards🤣
Hell yeah! I love that 11% off at Menards. Thanks for watching, Andy!
btw, if you ever in doubt what milorganite is made of, put some in a cup of water and smell it the next day. you will be terrified (hint: it smells like it’s raw source)
😂
I don't want to be that terrified. thanks
What kind of grass is that?
I have a mix of Kentucky bluegrass and perennial rye.
Are you in Miami Florida
😂 I wish! We live in the suburbs of Chicago.
@Lakehouse Lawn Care I know I heard another one of your videos you mentioned coming out of winter lol. We have some homes just like that by my house, anyways thanks for all your help with the useful information. I'm going to seed bermuda -black jack and give it a go- bought a jd260sl so really psyched about all this. Take care. Robert
Menards is the lawn fert headquarters of good value!
No doubt about it! Thanks for checking out my video and commenting, Nate! Happy Halloween to you and your family.
Looks like a great product. Bummer it has phosphorus in it. I need to avoid adding any P to my soil. Great video Kyle. 👊🏼
Thank you Nate! This is the only product I use that contains a small amount of phosphorus. Your perennial rye is looking great! Keep it up, buddy!
i bought this after you recommended it in your previous video. i didn’t expect it to smell but it does, even my kids noticed. anyway, i like how it works and the price point. i prefer this as a an organic alternative (i use lesco as well). i would not use milorganite ever - it’s essentially peletized human feces. smartest idea to export milwaukee’s feces all over america’s lawns but not on mine. human just like dog or cat waste does not belong on our lawns regardless of how processed they were. thank you for the reco!
😂 It does have a little bit of a smell to it, But it’s not too bad. Thank you for watching and commenting!
I visited the most traditional Berber village in Morocco and they transformed the desert into fertile soil to grow all their food - with humanure compost. Did that for thousands of years. Yeah the humanure pellets have a MUCH stronger acrid smell than the ChickNpoo. People think ChickNpoo stinks - they have no idea what they're missing. It takes about a week to get rid of the humanure compost smell. At least I hope it went away. haha
I live down south so can’t get it
I’m going to check and see if there’s any available retailers in your area.
I once used a product called Chickity Doo Doo. The odor that came from it after watering was terrible. So terrible that my neighbors were not happy. I never used it again for that reason. It was bad. Lol
Thank you for watching and commenting! On the packaging of this it says neighbor approved. I haven’t found the smell to be an issue.
I’m a gig fan of improving the soil by supporting the soil life. Looks interesting and would also like to spike my flower beds. Maybe something to try next season.
No doubt about it! Thanks for watching, buddy!
Awesome organic nitrogen product. If they ever come up with a product that doesn’t contain phos, I will definitely give it a shot.👊😎🌴
Thank you Christian! I limit my phosphorus to just this product. The main benefit comes from the micro organisms
Innova 7-1-2 made by Andersons
Anyone else have limey green looking bluegrass right now? Any way to combat that?
That could be poa trivialis.
I like your channel.
Thank you, David!
Better then Milo? Did you clickbait us? 😆…. We will see lol
😂 I said it and I meant it. It is good stuff. Thank you for watching and commenting!
This is good content
Do you know how the store Menards got its name?
A pirate was kicked down below and he went, "Arr! Me-nards!"
😂😂👊🏼
Your flowers are INSANE. I know you'd been using E-Corganite like me, are you only using the Chicken poo now?
Thank you, buddy! Yes, I will be sticking with the chicken poo Going forward. I hope your lawn is thriving!
Ouch a lot of claims there. I love some chicken manure fertilizer but ouch. Applied at 0.7lbs of N per 1000 gives you 1.4lbs of P as well. It's also $10 for a 25lb bag. That means if you apply it at 0.7lbs of N per 1000 like most fertilizer bag rates, it will cost you $14 per 1000 sq ft. That's expensive!!!!
Thank you for your input, Jon. The main benefit of this product comes from the micro organism Activity and the benefit it has on your soil and your lawn’s ability to uptake nutrients. I’m not applying it at the rate you mentioned.
@@lakehouselawncare1755 I agree that the chicken manure is great. Unfortunately, it's not a product that should be applied on a soil with adequate P already unless just as a one off application.
I agree. It shouldn’t be used as a primary source of N because the P will be too high.
@@lakehouselawncare1755 Curious of what your rate was that you applied that at in July and September. Great results for only 2 applications.
I applied at the light rate, which is 10lbs/1000sq ft.
Are you still using this product? Ever used soybean meal?
Well, I suppose chicken crap on the lawn and flowers less nasty a thought compared to human crap.
😂 my thoughts exactly!
Am I the only one that cares about the humane treatment of chickens? It's obvious they are factory farmers. I'd rather spend my money helping rid the planet of people poo than help a factory farmer earn more money.
Thanks for your opinion. They run their farm in a humane way and give great care to all of their Chickens.
@@lakehouselawncare1755 But, are the chickens together like sardines or do they have room to roam? Do they get to go outside in more than a few feet of space? If the answer is yes then I'll be buying their product. But the pics look like that's not the case. Pics can be deceiving though.
They are certified by the HFAC (Humane Farm Animal Care) which is a nonprofit organization dedicated to the humane treatment of farm animals.
To Do a fair trial you must apply the exact same conditions to both treated and non treated lawns. Why on earth did you apply less water to the non treated lawn. You should have applied the exact same amount of water to both. Your trial is a flop. I drug trials they do blind trials where the researches do not even know which drug is the placebo and which is the trial drug. If they do it fir drugs you can do the same for chicken shite. I have no doubt it will be a great product when you bring the nitrogen to 10%. MiloShite is a rip-off off.
Thanks for watching my video, Francis. The other side is my neighbor’s grass, which is why it didn’t get the same treatment.
I wouldn't necessarily compare this Milorganite. It's apples and oranges really. Milorganite has iron. This has calcium and a little magnesium. Two of which my soil test said I'm already crazy high on. It does have 80% slow release nitrogen though which is about 13% more than Milorganite. You basically have to buy two bags of this for every one bag of Milorganite to get .77lbs of N per 1000sq ft.
Hey Ross! Thank you for your feedback. The main comparison is that of two organic fertilizer options. The main benefit of chickn poo over milorganite is the beneficial bacteria and fungi that increase the soil nutrient availability. The heating process used by mikorganite kills all of that bacteria and fungi.
@@lakehouselawncare1755 would there be a benefit to using this AND Milorganite then in July?
Anyone?
Hey Ross, I would not recommend using both because of the phosphorus in both. You don’t want to exceed about a pound/1000 sq ft per year.
How about a 5k sq ft yard one 25lb bag of chicken poo and one 25lb bag of milorganite. I really like the concept but I still want the small amount of N and iron in the milorganite formula.