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Great video. I think the Zf users would just like a simplified Auto ISO implementation. Without sacrificing our precious function buttons. Just enable Auto ISO under c in the ISO dial and when not under c, follow the ISO indicated. So simple.
Same 👍
Actually they have currently an even better function, but not for Auto-Mode. In the ISO Menu you can choose which value should come, when you put ISO dial to C. Which is actually great, but for some reason, you can’t choose Automatic. Maybe it’s a bug, but the rest works perfectly
Thank you for the clarification on this. This confirmed my conclusion on the clear misstep.
The fact that a complicated video like this has to be created shows that Nikon is looking at this the wrong way. I have used fuji and Leica cameras in total for almost 15 years and never have I had to think or Google how to override the iso function.
I just picked up the Zf and it is fantastic except for this one clear flaw. If I have a C function, it’s a custom function. Period. If I have manual ISO dials, they should take priority over any C function regardless of the PASM setting.
Having to set up other custom buttons just to override the C setting to allow me to use the manual dials does not many any logical sense
I need to make another video on how Nikon actually looked at it. It’s actually smart!
This doesn't fix the issue. The dial should over ride auto iso. Also, switching to manual mode should also disable auto iso. Nikon made bad choices with this implementation.
Auto ISO switching is so stupit on the ZF. On C you should have the option to switch on Auto iso just like the xt5.
it would be enough for Nikon to insert the ISO dial Mode function into the ISO management menu. 2 options: a) normal mode b) analogic mode. Normal Mode for modern nikon philosophy, Analogic Mode for Fuji Style (or ancient Nikon analogic mode)
Finally a person who knows what He is Doing! Great Job! Cheers! BTW picked up a Z9 today for $1000 off. Man bought the camera did not have it long and decided to return it. $1000 off still Brand New and no shutter count. Unbelievable!
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Congrats / great find! Z9's are starting to show up on the used market now (perhaps from people that didn't want to wait for the smaller Z8?)
Nice- I just set my auto iso dial to 1600- anything above I use the dial. Anything used below the maximum defined range, I know won’t impact my image quality. If I want a fixed iso, I quickly get out of iso via function button.
@@D.Tridercan even set max Auto ISO to 200.. and you get all but under 200 via dial.. but I’m with you. I’m fine camera picking any value under 1600 & not concerned with significant impact to IQ.
Plenty of people know what they're doing and are annoyed by how it has to be done
Sure. We want you to do 2-3 steps that should be 1 step. It may not be a “bug” because it may work as designed, but it’s a poor user experience.
The simple fix, is to allow the ISO Settings function to work outside of C at least to toggle AutoISO settings. But the right fix is to disable AutoISO when you rotate of of C.
They need to fix this.
It's such a cool camera. And I mean, that's how I use Auto-ISO anyway on my other Z cameras - manual shutter, manual aperture, auto-ISO and then exposure comp set to the control ring (or if the lens has no control ring, I use the ISO button & dial). I love that this Zf has a dedicated and smaller dial for exp comp. BUT - moving the ISO dial off of "C" really should kick the camera out of auto-ISO and pass control back to the dial. Then when it's back on C, it should just jump back into auto-ISO / where you last left off.
Absolutely! Relieved that I was able to communicate… I thought I messed up the video
People who complain about Nikon implementation doesn't fall under ZF target audience.
There are camps to the retro camera market, there are those that buy these kinds of camera for the experience of analog. The clicks, the aperture ring, the Film Simulations. These people who would be happy with a Fuji or a Leica.
And then there's Nikon, where function is still above experience. Those who want a nice looking camera but can sacrifice some analog feels for efficiency. We use AUTO ISO and the ability to quickly change AUTO ISO setting with the top dial is absolutely golden. We don't want Nikon to do as Fuji does that make the top dial Manual ISO function.
It's a cloudy day and I want good shutter, I flick the dial to 400 and let auto iso do the rest, it's low light on the streets, flick it 3200 or 6400. It's absolutely the best auto iso implementation I've used and people is calling Nikon to.. make it like a Fuji Manual ISO? No thanks! I like the functionality of Auto ISO
You are correct that this is a different camera. It's listed as a retro camera but to me it's more of a street photography camera. It just happens to do way more. I think I understand why Nikon chose to do it this way. It may take 2 steps to go into auto ISO. Why not reverse those 2 steps to take it out of auto ISO. Some people like to shoot in manual mode with auto ISO turned on. I don't like exposure compensation. If you forget to change it back to 0 it could give you results later that you don't like. And sometimes the light changes too fast to keep up with so you need auto ISO. If the camera reverted back to manual ISO when you turned the knob you would lose auto ISO when you want to shoot in manual mode. I shoot this way a lot. I want to be in control of my aperture and shutter speed but sometimes I'm ok with the camera controlling the ISO but with limits on how high it can go. Does the zf not have an "I" menu where you can select what's in that menu so you can quickly go to it? You could have it there so you don't have to go into the menu.
The ISO dial over rides auto ISO settings on one way. Suppose you set the max iso sensitivity to 6400 but sudeenly you find that you might need more than that. You can set the dial to higher iso than 6400 and your auto iso max sensitivity is now the dial sensitivity, reducing a step tp get into the menu system.
Absolutely correct
FWIW.. been shooting Fuji for a decade and never really used ISO dial. I use one of the 3 Auto ISO settings.
If it's not a bug, it's a very poorly implemented design choice. Nobody is going to accidentally turn the ISO dial away from 'C' because the dial locks at 'C'. It's perfectly logical for someone to reach for the ISO dial to change to a specific ISO value and override the computer. The whole purpose of the dials on this style of camera is because people prefer using them to control the camera. Users shouldn't be forced to remember to turn off Auto ISO before they can regain control of the ISO dial. And by the way, if you accidentally turn the ISO dial before turning off auto ISO, you must first return the dial to 'C' in order to turn off auto ISO; you can't turn off auto ISO if the ISO dial is not on 'C'. That's just crazy!
Yeah I agree.
Haha yeah
Frames, I saw that video and that guy was just making a clickbait title. It makes total sense to me with what Nikon did
Hello there!
Reviewers should read the quick start guide, at minimum (and should be the full manual if they derive substantial income from the reviews) before creating the review. I like the Fuji implementation more, but a quick read will let anyone know how the Nikon Zf implemented it. That does not change the fact that Nikon made a mess with it. The Nikon way is more flexible (you can quickly recall your settings after going to auto) but it's contrary to human intuition. It's like the Windows 95 registry.
Yup true
Auto ISO in A-Mode should work likthe following . The Iso dial deflects the max iso, the speed dial sets the desired minimal shutter. That would be great rather that having to dive in 2 levels into the menu.
It's actually interesting that the Shutter Speed Dial overwrites the ISO Auto Setting for Max Shutter Speed but the ISO Dial does not. It's very inconsistence.
One ‘shortcut’ is set Auto ISO to 200 then any selection of ISO dial over 200 will raise the Auto ISO limit to that value on the dial. Weakness here is loss of ISO 100.
I think you convinced me to stick with cameras I already have. That was so convoluted and counter-intuative I've lost interest in the camera.
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Frames, it seems some people want the camera to work in ways it wasn’t designed to. I’ve seen some comment that the dial should override the menu system, some are saying it’s a flaw but, from the Reference Guide it isn’t configured to work that way. First thing I did when I saw videos and comments, I checked the guide saw there is. I flaw but, many people are doing that, they want to not get the camera as it doesn’t work the way they feel it should. Love your explanation, let’s hope others will accept it as it is and have fun with it.
Great explanation for a ducked up ISO implementation logic. Nikon needs to fix this by simply making C as auto iso default . Dial works like it should. Why the heck are they wasting space for a dial? For looks? Just plain dumb. If you need to make a whole video on the Zf iso implementation, right there you know their ISO implementing is a total mess. If I make a video on how to use the new brakes on a car, then that’s just f’ed up.
Exactly the information I was looking for. Well explained.
But is Zf really that much different experience and more retro to something like A7 series because let say the A7RV, it has 2 unlabelled big dials on top too which you can map to shutter speed and ISO dials and their lenses a lot have aperture ring too, the camera body's EVF head has the sharp prism looking shape too, the body looks not much different but just has a better bigger grip, plus it has the useful practical 4 ways screen, just attach it with a manual lens and you will get similar and better experience in same time too?
Much of it is look and feel. Most people won’t be able to imagine the Sony as a retro camera
I disagree with Nikon's specification (or a bug not caught by the testers) on how C functions on exit. It should re-initialize the ISO dial routine and if necessary, execute any housekeeping that include exiting out from AUTO ISO. The C on the ISO dial should only serve as a toggle switch between hard and soft ISO selection and must be mutually excluded. Otherwise, it leads to the present confusion.
As well, it isn't a two step procedure but a selection option. Thus, the user can either use the ISO dial to select an ISO value directly or SWITCH the ISO selection task to the camera by moving the dial to C. Once it is on C, the camera should function as a regular MILC without an ISO dial. But on exit from C, the Zf is no longer a regular MILC and must return back to the dial only ISO selection.
Also, adding (A) Auto ISO on the dial as a toggle switch may improve user satisfaction for some, if not many but not with those who dislike too much auto this and that. 🙂
Agreed
You can turn iso on and off easily . Go into C with the function button like you see and the camera will go into auto iso . Like you say then moving out of C to the dial the camera still stays in auto not the values on the dial . To turn off auto ISO use the function button and turn the front dial this will turn the camera on and off auto iso . You can the use the dial .
That’s not my problem. The problem is the moment you change the ISO dial out of C, Nikon disables the ability to toggle AutoISO on and off without going into the menu or adding ISO Settings to the My Menu. You cannot add the ISO Settings to a button and change AutoISO on or off. It works in C but not a set ISO.
It would make sense to have the camera disable AutoISO when you rotate away from C. I’m dialing in a specific ISO so give that to me.
Agree
Nice- I just set my auto iso dial to 1600- anything above I use the dial. Anything used below the maximum defined range, I know won’t impact my image quality. If I want a fixed iso, I quickly get out of auto iso via function button.
Okay- I little bit of a quirk- if my iso dial is set to anything but c, I can’t turn off auto iso via quick menu unless I set to the iso dial to c. I should be able to turn on or off auto iso regardless of where the iso dial is set. So yeah, might need a firmware adjustment.
I think the best fix would be if we could quickly turn on or turn off auto iso via quick menu or function button, or even better the c dial.
Another great video.
❤️
Superb
Next video suggested : problems with the XT5 (AF, exposure) solved.😉
Hahaha you’re funny. Aah… I wish I could solve the Fuji af issue.. will see
front dial is clickable or not? like on some fujis and panasonic cameras
No
Shot with Fuji XT5 appears just before a massive out of focus glitch 😬How fitting.
It’s deliberate. Because I’m now gonna shoot my videos with Fuji. But I so resent its AF issues.
But since Fuji lovers (rightly so) will be crazy adamant and comment crazy stuff, I just called it out here.
On my ZF EV Xt5 videos… the comment section was full of Fuji Victimhood.
@@FramesTM haha, I love it. This is why I sold my Fuji and fully switched to Nikon a few years back.
What lens are you using on the nikon ZF?
Multiple…
Nice overview. It’s too bad you’re left to explain it when Nikon could’ve dedicated one of their digitutors videos to explain how the Auto ISO function works on the Zf.
I have no problem with the Auto ISO on my Zf. Its perfect.
Have we different cameras? I can change the iso through the dial with auto iso on. It makes all sense to be that way. Setting a minimum iso with the dial to be used with auto iso
What! How’s that possible! Just do this for me: put the camera in auto iso in photo mode; and then mode the iso dial and see if auto iso switches off and iso values are taken from the dial?!
@@FramesTM I have the camera in auto iso, Aperture mode, C on dial. I change to a fixed iso 400, it is reflected on my lcd and auto iso stays on. Just as it should be
I have auto iso in my menu. I set if off and iso stays at 400
I set again to auto iso, it mantains at iso 400. I increase the aperture, auto iso kicks in. Just as it should be
Everything is normal, except the bug in the i menu, which I reported to Nikon. If I set a fixed iso in the dial, I can switch auto iso in the menu and my menu, but in the i menu it is disabled
@@FramesTMno, Auto ISO does not change off. However, the value choosen on the dial will be seen as "preferred ISO", meaning, the camera tries to stay on that value. If it is impossible, the new ISO value displayed on the screen will blink.
@@thomasa.243just like in any other camera
@@carlosandreviana9448 Well, yeah, it means that you can use the dial strategically to change the behaviour of Auto ISO as necessary. A lot of reviewers said that it does not matter which value you have on the dial but if you set it to say 12800, your camera will prefer 12800 which you may not want, right? 😅
did you ever notice an internal sound when you shake slowly camera up and down? like something is unscrew inside and hit up and down freely --this is with camera off ....when on not so much.....what that could be? i hope is not areturn from store or somebody drop it
It’s the ibis mechanism. In this camera, it doesn’t lock down when can shut down, unlike other Nikon cameras.
Thank you for quick response, i appreciate
Also when I received the camera this Tuesday was already with the new firmware on ..... so what do you think the firmware was done by nikon or another customer?
@bogdangeorge8079 Just go to my channel I have a detailed video on that firmware update
The question was do you think the firmware was done by nikon or by another customer that have this camera?...... I received the camera this Tuesday and the new firmware was on the 16 nov... tuesday was the 28th nov
@bogdangeorge8079 by Nikon
Firmware update please! When you move out of C, auto iso turns off. Simple. - Also I SHOULD be able to assign C to Auto ISO and not have to select it. Make C with ISO ON and you have to turn it off to make a custom setting. When out of C, Auto ISO off.
Very good suggestion
@@FramesTM I like to shoot with the screen closed and not having to navigate the menu. I didn't realize there are so many different ways people like to use Auto ISO. I am now thinking this could be a separate option like "Retro ISO" for people like me who want a basic relationship with ISO, and keep the default the way is for more complex functions. Everybody wins.
The iso dial should be priority, that's the phylosophy of this camera. I do not understand the way it has been implemented by Nikon. I have been disapointed since the first minutes I tested it. It is really a pity because the camera is great.
Aah don’t worry I think it will be changed with a FW update soon
This actually does make sense. Coming from Fujifilm when using aperture priority, if I wanted to quickly override the cameras exposure I would use the exposure compensation dial.
Yes bro! That’s just how it’s supposed to be used
Each Fuji dial has an A (auto) setting, including the ISO dial. So no.... once you move the ISO dial off "A", you have manual control. Nikon is missing the A setting on the dial. Nikon screwed up by having the PSAM dial. They should get rid of that and just add the A to each of the other dials. Of course, this would also require the lenses to have an aperture control dial, which they should.
@@d2mini Yep. It's killing me that these lenses don't have an aperture ring.
People are stuck in Fujifilm mode.
They want a full frame Fujifilm and complain that the Zf is not that camera.
Is the Zt perfect, no.
But neither are the Fujifilm.
The Zf Auto ISO is basically the same as the Df
C is just that C.
Could it be better, yes.
It is not fool / monkey proof
Haha
Is the small rig grip a must have?
For me it’s a must
It is better with a zoom but not as efficient as modern caméras because the button to take the photos is not at the top of the grip
Same, there's no way I'd handle this body without that grip. Plus I love SmallRig's L-brackets and I'd have one anyway
Slow motion settings ke bare me btao plzz😢
Ok
The xt5 stinks on autofocus. Wouldn’t have thought that it would be that bad!
Haha
Every reputable retailer will have a return policy, if you are not happy with the purchase just return it, problem solved.........
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Why will someone hit subscribe? 1 am in the morning is "in the morning", it is not "post noon". That would be 1 pm.
You repeatedly show the same manual ISO dial. Anyone who is watching such videos knows the dial after showing it once.
You shoot from far and are asking someone to focus on a 3-inch screen. It only shows a blurry image. We could not see the Auto ISO blinking. It was just a blur.
Man plz don’t hit the subscribe button. I have not put a gun on your head. You’re watching a free video. If you saw an ad, more than 50% of it goes to TH-cam. Don’t make a fool out of yourself with random ass comment that makes no sense. Why will someone hit sub? There are plenty who thought they should. But there is only one idiot who’s asking this absolute rank stupid question. Go buy the camera and see for yourself how the auto ISO blinks. And kindly don’t watch my videos. You paid for my camera, set up and time Kya? If not don’t come and complain like I owe you something.
@paraag : Haha .......bro looks like you missed out the bigger picture.... what are you even trying to say ....lol
you make it more complicated...
Possibly
Why would someone buy so complicated photography system just to take photos?
To control and enjoy the process
Still confused . . . Actually, even more confused.
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Nikon makes it too complicated unnecessarily. Never had one camera this counter intuitive on such a widely used function! Never heard complaints about the ISO dial operation like this big on other comparable cameras / systems! It's the Nikon designer's logic vs. most users. Why reinvent the wheel?
Fuji AF sucks!
Sometimes
If I have AUTO ISO selected in camera (dial set to 'C'), I don't want the dial to override that. I want to turn AUTO ISO OFF in camera and THEN use the dial. I don't want to accidentally bump the ISO dial and lose AUTO ISO in the middle of shooting.
I promise you that you won't accidentally bump the ISO dial and lose AUTO ISO on this camera. The dial locks at 'C', and requires both a finger push and twist to break away from 'C'.
@@turkturkleton4278 You're right. I just got the Zf yesterday and haven't played with it that much. However, I did just now add ""Auto ISO sensitivity control" to "My Menu", and left the dial at 100. Turn off control and ISO goes to 100 and the dial changes it, turn it on, it's in Auto and dial has no effect. No problem there for me.
Your videographer is doing a terrible job man!! Ask your videographer to concentrate on the camera and keep the focus on you and shift the focus on the product ( in this case the camera) when you want to show it to the viewers. Ask your videographer to look at you through the camera and it will solve the problem.
Thank you
Haha well she’s my wifey! And she never misses with a Nikon or a Sony. Fuji however… my guess is she’s not gonna pamper the Fuji and treat it equally
Horrendous design choice. Allow C to operate like A. The dial should moving out of C should revert to manual ISO. So dumb, so so so very dumb. This nonsense is stopping me buying this camera. If I want to use the camera without the screen, I have to use the EVF to see what ISO I’m in. It makes no sense, and poor design like this irritates me.
looks like you are more confused than your audience,... when in Auto ISO the ISO dial is invalid, when in manual ISO direct ISO values by ISO dial or ISO values selected by rotating front/rear dial while on "C" in the ISO dial..... where is the confusion ?
Hahahahahahahahaha I love a confident fool
Poorly explained!
Sorry man