Wyoming Coal Trains - FULL VIDEO (1995)
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This is C. Vision's 1995 full length video release covering Burlington Northern and Chicago & North Western operations in eastern Wyoming. BN coal, merchandise, and intermodal trains are seen operating over the Black Hills and Orin Subdivisions, formerly the 5th and 10th Subdivisions, respectively, prior to 1993. CNW coal trains are featured as they operate over their Powder River Subdivision, part of which being joint trackage with the Burlington Northern on the shared Orin Subdivision. Powder River Basin coal mines were as busy as they had ever been, loading trains at a steady pace for both railroads. BN employed models SD40-2, SD60, SD60M, SD70MAC, and C30-7 for their heavy haul coal trains during the time we shot this video, and you'll see these units in their prime. C&NW locomotive models include GP50, SD40-2, SD50, SD60, C40-8, C44-9W, and AC4400CW, in addition to plenty of Union Pacific power. Enjoy classic 90s railroad action in "Wyoming Coal Trains". - บันเทิง
First train with 5 BN SD40-2's and fuel tender was absolutely stellar. I miss those days.
Thank you! You are right! Those days were the best!!!!
Too bad they were too late for the dash 9 Burlington northern
Finally, the man behind the curtain! Well done!
Thanks!!! It's not easy being in front of the camera!!! LOL
@@CVisionProductions1 For fans of your work good sir, seeing you in person like that is a dream come true.
Damn, I remember watching the preview version 12 years ago, and to finally see a full version, speechless.
Thank you for the comments! I hope you enjoyed the video!!!
Thanks for posting 😄
Worked for CNW/UP locomotive department from 1974 to 2010!
Was great to see the “green and yellow “ again🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Thank you so much Dennis!!! I really miss the CNW days.
its been a few years but did the CNW merger nearly brought the UP to its knees or was it SP?
@@DavidLeon140m3 CNW brought the UP big troubles especially in Chicago…it was bad. When they got SP it all fell apart…. Was not a good time in my career 😎
This is SUPERB. Not only a chance to see the full version of a classic but having it being introduced by "The Man-Behind-The-Camera" himself. Ever since discovering your videos between 2009-2011, I've been attempting to collect the best of the best. From tapes featuring BN & C&NW to early 90's BNSF. So far I think the only one I'm missing is MIDWEST CLASSIC STEAM for I'd like to see more scenes of MILW 261 pulling the 1998 BNSF Employee Special.
Thank you Colin! I'm glad you enjoyed it. We still have Midwest Classic Steam in stock.
@@CVisionProductions1 You're welcome good sir. I know you have Midwest Classic Steam in stock but finding a RARE copy in VHS will be even more rewarding.
i went to Yellowstone and saw some coal trains west of Lusk, i had some good shots of the UP one. I believe it was pulled by 2 Dash 9s and ES44s as dpus. Pacing in Wyoming is so easy yet so fun.
That sounds like it was a fun trip! It is a blast to pace along with them alongside the highway. I've done that many times.
Lots of nostalgia here. The moment I really felt old came at around the 20 minute mark when I realized the time from the last CB&Q passenger train through Newcastle in 1969 to the time of the video in the mid-90’s was less than the time from when the video was made to today. Thanks for uploading some of these full videos, Chris!
Thank you for watching Bryant!!! I can’t believe how long ago this was too.
The original video was my childhood, and now that the full version is out, it's gonna be even better.
Thank you! I hope you enjoy it again!
Thrilled to see a train hauling coal to my old employer, KCPL (Kansas City Power & Light). Loved seeing all the coal trains, one after the other, as I would be out on Nebraska Rt. 2 across the Nebraska Sand Hills.
Thank you, Mark! We’re happy to hear that you enjoyed the video. And yes, those KCPL trains were really neat to see. We appreciate you watching and commenting.
This video screams 90's from start to finish and I love it!!!!
Thank you Chad!
AMAZING how much railroading has changed in 25 years.
It's crazy, isn't it? I sure miss the good ole days!
@@CVisionProductions1 Me too. Just wish I’d realized it at the time.
Gotta love the UP's with the Leslie's. Nice work!
Something you will probably never hear again. Thank you for the comment!
Another thing I love about 90s railroading is the good variety of horns. It's a fine mix of both Leslie and Nathan. I hear RS3Ls, K5LAs, K5Hs, K3LAs, and so much more! Today, it's just K5HLs and 3rd Gen K5LAs.
We agree! The horns of yesteryear were much more interesting and pleasant sounding than horns today.
My favorite horn out of all of these has to be the RS3K as heard here: 12:26 - 13:15 - 16:56 - 1:03:22
I just love those CNW Dash 9s!
I agree! Actually, anything CNW!!! Thanks for writing!
Those were less than two years old when this was made; and their AC44s less than a year old.
@@anb7408Crazy how some are getting rebuild/converted into AC4400CWMs and AC44C6Ms (UP calls them "C44ACM").
I have this on DVD and its one of my favorite from Cvision
Thank you Jason!
20:08 I like the sound of that rs3l Especially the doppler effect
Thank you! I agree!!! And it was great when the horns echoed off the hills near Newcastle. Great times! Thank you for watching!!!
I love C-vision. Whenever I want to watch train videos, this is usually my go-to channel!! Professional footage, professional people, and amazing quality!
Wow, thanks!
sure do miss those CNW GEs, those still are some of the best looking locomotives. I also didnt know the BN MACs have wig wag ditch lights......
I agree! Only a few of the first order of BN MACs had the flashing ditch lights. The crews did not like them at all and they changed them back to constant.
I bought this on dvd few years ago. One of my fav. Those new cnw ac’s looked awesome when new
I agree! Thank you for watching!
Nice to see the producer of C Vision, I love this Era of rail traffic.
I went out to the same areas you shot and did still shots back in 2007, never considered video, wish. I had!
I have several of your dvd's and enjoy your narration, keep up the great work and thanks for sharing 👍
Thank you Tim!
Union Pacific GE C36-7's are now in Estonia and most of the Ex BN C30-7's Ended up in Brazil
That's what I heard. Crazy! Glad they are still around somewhere. Aren't they now narrow gauge?
Thanks for posting this, great video, I love 80s and 90s railroading.
You are very welcome! Thank you for watching!!!
I remember seeing the trailer for this on TH-cam way back in the day, thanks for uploading!
Thank you for watching!!!!
Man those CNW K5Hs are some sweet music to listen to. Wish more trains today had them (prime example at 1:01:55)
I couldn't agree with you more. I think CSX was the only other RR to have those horns on the C40-8's.
They remind me a lot of the K5H’s heard on the old BCOL’s.
so glad to see these videos make their way online. thank you!
You are very welcome Chuck. Thank you for watching!
I've been to the Powder River Basin in Wyoming with my late Dad Steve Schmollinger when it was Union Pacific and BNSF Coal Trains and I was a Young Kid back in 1995
Awesome Video 📹 👏
Thank you Alex! Those were the days! It just isn't the same anymore.
Díky, skvělé záběry Michal
Thank you!!!
Love the Wyoming coaltrains travelling across wide open Savanah's & flat lands, 👍 👌 relaxing railfanning from the armchair, greetings from New Zealand 🇳🇿 😀 😄 😊 👍👌🤗
Couldn't agree more! Thanks for watching from New Zealand! Greetings from Minnesota!!!
Love watching your full length videos Chris!!!! Well done!!! Put up more than 6 you have!!
Thank you Michael! We are working on it. Currently we are planning on only putting some of our older shows on YT. So stay tuned.
Flashbacks to the Pentrex film “Trains on the high plains”. Excellent video!
Thanks!
Awesome shots and catches, excellent upload, thanks for posting this !
Greetings from Southern California;
- Larry
Thank you Larry!!! I hope you enjoy it!!!
24:01 I like the sound of that horn
The 60M's had, and in some cases still have a great sounding horn. It was so neat back then to hear the horn echoing off the hillside in Newcastle.
That unit also had early, experimental strobe ditchlights which were used by the SP and BN in the early 90s. The EMD demo SD70Ms had some, too.
I always liked watching the coal trains in Wyoming... most of them go for miles. Makes that part of Wyoming not so boring.
I agree Jeremy! Wyoming is a really neat state. Add in the coal trains, and that makes it even better.
I love this! I was 8-9 years old back in 1995 and was a fanatic BN train nerd! This brings back my childhood memories!
We’re happy to hear that you enjoyed the video! 90s nostalgia is a big thing for us…
Loving the cheesy 90s music at the end credits!
Ah, how times have changed. Yeah, cheesy is a mild term for that music. Not sure where I even found it!! LOL
@@CVisionProductions1 I miss that era, growing up as a 90s/00s kid, this brought loads of nostalgia!
Awesome video! Absolutely love those loaded coal trains! 🚂🚂🇺🇸🇺🇸
Same here! Thank you for your comments!!!
I worked for Watco at the mines in June-July-traffic had picked up tremendously, almost double. The mine I worked at, a smaller one, went from 2 to 4 trains a day. Busiest they had been since the 2010's.
That's great news to hear! I hope more traffic comes back for all the people who have jobs out there and depend on mining!
A shiny new SD70MAC and already its K3LA has a dead 4a bell. That definitely seems to be the largest common problem with all SD70 series that had K3 horns in the ‘90s-Early 2000s. But when they work (or were fixed Progress Rail) boy do they sound awesome. Take BNSF 292 and 295 for example. While not forgetting the SD60Ms which weren’t as bad as the MACs in terms of horn fouling. 28:09 YOU CAUGHT THE SD60MAC!!!
It really is. Not sure why. But yes, they do sound awesome! Thanks for your comments. And we only wish we could have got that SD60MAC leading. But oh well....
This is amazing.
Thank you so much!!!!
1:02:30: There's an early electronic railroad crossing bell that can be heard.
@Cnw#8701 Just noticed that too. I thought that most railroads besides KCS didn’t use electronic railroad crossing bells until the late 90s. I thought that most railroads had mechanical striker railroad crossing bells in the mid 90s. I find that very interesting!
Yes, they were new and experimental back then. Good catch!!!
Finally I get to see you what you look like, just wanted to say hi and let you know that I like your videos!!
Of all train 🚆 videos that I've seen Chris, this the best one so far and thank you for telling us where their going n what their carrying!!
I'm going to give this video a ten star, because it hardly deserves it ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Thank you for a great video Chris 🇺🇸
Thank you so much Marty! Your kind words put a big smile on my face. I miss the Powder River Basin for what it was back then. Glad I was able to capture those trains and more happy that I have people like you who enjoy them. Thank you again and God Bless.
Thank you chris for this full video. I really enjoyed it. I know they are long but could you put more full length videos to watch.
We plan to do a few more in the future. Thank you for asking!
@@CVisionProductions1 have you thought of doing some videos on smaller railroads in minesota, south dakota, or anywhere in between?
@@ajwillett7302 Mr. Laskowski will probably chime in, but yes, more are in the works!
Love seeing those Executive SD70MAC units on point leading.
Thank you! I wish more of them still were. Only a few here and there.
42:02 i like how the CNW Coal Trains is always fast and the engineer forgot to close the door
Sometimes they left the door open because of no air conditioning in the cab.
Listening to those 90s CNW GEs chug as they pull a train from a dead stop through the great plains back then... wow...
Those were some great pullers! We loved them too. The final years of the CNW were very interesting for motive power. Thank you for watching and commenting.
@@CVisionProductions1 thank you. It took me to a different world
Finally for 13 years
Thanks! I hope you liked it!!!
Was in some of these spots yesterday may not be full of Burlington Northern and CNW anymore but it still is pretty cool
We’re glad that you got to visit the area. There’s still plenty to see out there. The number of trains may be down, but it’s still worth checking out. Thank you for watching and commenting.
Thanks 😊 Chris for the end credits, at 1'17"00s you have put a tremendous 👏 amount of resources at our viewing disposal, 😀 top marks 🤑👍👌
Thank you so much Vernon!
@@CVisionProductions1 Your Welcome, Chris 😁👌
I have many KATO BN MACs never thought to make ditch lights flash, thought it was east coast and Southern Pacific AC4400s
Huh?
Only a few of the first order of BN MACs had the flashing ditch lights. The crews did not like them at all and they changed them back to constant.
@@CVisionProductions1 Thanks for the great info.
I know I spotted a SD60MAC that was so awesome to see
SD60MACs were a unique model! It's a shame that EMD didn't produce more of them after the demonstrators.
I am always surprised on what people look like that I hear on the radio or videos. They always are different looking than I picture what they will look like
Thank you Ted. I hope that is in a good way. Haha!!! I hope you enjoyed the video!
Becker's Sherco sighting :eyes:
Good eyes!!!
Awsome i really enjoy these!
Thank you so much, Kenny! We appreciate you watching our videos. More on the way - stay tuned.
Surprised you didn’t catch the Trough Train while you were filming this
Not sure exactly what you are referring to, but this was shot back in 1992-1995.
It was BN’s experiment with an articulated coal train it was in service starting in 1995
I wonder how busy the lines in this film are now with PSR..
The routes in this video are not as busy as they once were. Coal volumes have declined in recent years, but PSR is not to blame for that decrease. Thank you for watching and commenting.
Good to see the man behind it all
Thank you!
Liked 👍 watching the loco wipers ( 8833 ) @ 41'00", yes it was raining 🌧 / snowing at the parallel track(s) 👣 😄 and road close-up 🤗👍👌
Thanks! It's not often you see those operating. Hard to record when it is raining.
@@CVisionProductions1 thanks, 😁 Chris.
Which power plant was behind you in the intro? Reminds me of the Columbia Power plant where I live in Portage, WI. Amazing footage! Always love seeing the CNW
Thanks for asking Ross. That is the Sherco plant in Becker, MN. Thank you for your comments! I miss the CNW!!!
Hey C Vision I found out where the track to the left goes to at 50:27. It connects to the BN and the goes to a junction in Orin Wyoming.
It’s beat up but I found where it went
That is also where the Cowboy Line continued to Casper, Wyoming
Yes you know a lot about the CNW as well as I do
Wonder what the tank car with the Cascade Green stripe on it was for. Some sort of fuel tender?
Yes. That is a fuel tender.
@@CVisionProductions1 Interesting, I guess they wanted longer range between stops?
I didn’t think that BN SD70MAC’s had flashing ditch lights
Only a few of the first order of BN MACs had the flashing ditch lights. The crews did not like them at all and they changed them back to constant.
22:48 Thats the cleanest rolling gondola stock I have ever seen. Especially for coal. They must’ve been a week old.
You could always find plenty of new equipment back in the 90s, especially in coal country. It was definitely a renaissance period in railroading. Thank you for watching and commenting.
@@CVisionProductions1 We actually met back in 1992 outside of Laurel. I was in HS, you were trying to navigate around an underpass (and the Bull) to get some shots, my buddy and I showed you the way. The idea of selling train videos was astounding to us.
Wow! Small world… You have a good memory.
wow! his voice still sounds exactly the same!
Thanks! Probably the only thing that hasn't changed for me! LOL
I Love Your Channel
Thank you so much!!! I really appreciate that!
Man I remember this shit. Of course I live in Florida (raised in Florida as well), and occasionally would travel to Chicago to visit family in Tinley Park, occasionally I would board METRA (Rock Island district) and commute to Chicago to film at the CNW yards. A few years ago, before CSX sold the panhandle line, UP 1995 made a surprise visit to Florida, and I took a shitload of photos of her crossing our famous “Graffiti Bridge”. I couldn’t believe the CNW was absorbed by UP, and that right before the merger, CNW ordered 15 SD80MACs, but UP cancelled that order and changed it to the SD90MAC, which most were sidelined with prime mover issues, and almost all of the 90s were sold off. Some still are around, repowered years ago however to 4,300hp. But imagine if UP absorbed CNW after the SD80’s were delivered, god that would’ve been so bad ass.
CNW SD80MACs would have been incredible! The CNW passed into history just as their fleet was starting to look fantastic. Lots of new power and new paint in the early to mid-90s. Thank you for watching, and for the comment.
At 46:35 you caught a good departure!
No horn or bell, fortunately.
Thank you!
I still have the VHS of this
Nice! Thank you!!!
1:09:43 The third unit in tow is a never repeated again Norfolk Southern C40-9 now rebuilt as Norfolk Southern Pre-Producted AC44C6M 4002 Sonicbonnet unit
Thank you for the information!
@@CVisionProductions1 No Problem. But I also should add 28:07 You caught an BN SD60MAC trailing right behind of the SD70MAC. The BN SD60MAC is built for Burlington Northern in 1991 as a SD60M with AC Traction. These units are being used by BN, but after the ATSF & BN Merger these units have been sold off or retired. The current status of those units is unknown for these units, but I believed that BN 9503 is still alive as of today.
Those SD60MACs were neat units! Thank you for sharing those extra details.
2:23 I see a fuel tender in the consist.
Yes, the helper sets used the fuel tenders in that area, along with Crawford Hill.
@@CVisionProductions1 Interesting. Very interesting.
Who is the freight operator with the green, black & white 🤔 livery particularly on the 🚂 locomotives 🚂 and freight cars.
Thanks Chris 😊👍👌
That would be the Burlington Northern.
@@CVisionProductions1 I watched that BN logo & arrived At the Burlington Northern conclusion, looks like they had a corporate color change from Green to B&W, or vice versa, 😁👍👌
Chris, would it be possible for us to use a snippet of your video showing the CNW unit with the cab door open at 42:05? We will give you full credit for letting us use the clip. -Drayton
Hi Drayton. Absolutely. Thank you for asking.
What kind of camera did you use for this video
I don’t remember the model number but it was a Sony Betacam.
At 33:02 is that a k5la horn on a cnw c44-9w!?!?!?!?
@@CVisionContributor sounds like a k5la
@@fishingwithkeaton8384 Well, you know what. You’re exactly right. That unit had a K5LA! We went back and watched the footage, then confirmed it with pictures of the locomotive from the 90s. Right on!
What’s the next show that has Union Pacific?
The Union Pacific in the 60’s & 70s!
You never know! We have lots of unused footage. Thank you for the comment, Thomas.
Excellent video, all very clean and no graffiti
Thanks 👍
Show the entire train at a distance so we see reporting mark variations or other differences
We learned a lot since then. Most of what we do now does. Thank you for commenting!
Do any of the MAC’s still have flashing lights?
No, unfortunatley not.
@@CVisionProductions1 big sad
When did CNW receive C40-8s
1989 and 1991
this is definitely a 90's vid with that intro. also grew up in the 90's and lived in Eastern iowa i grew up with C&NW and BN before the mergers hauling a lot of coal trains back then. miss seeing these colors on the rails
Isn’t it funny how certain things in the video reflect the time they were done? Thanks for noticing that. I still chuckle to myself whenever I see that intro. Sometimes I really want to change it, but I know it reflects the time it was done. Thank you for your comments! We appreciate your support.
Do you have any videos from Casper to Lander WYOMING because the Chicago NorthWestern had a line that ran between Casper and lander WY
I really REALLY wish I did, but I don't. Sorry about that.
It’s ok
The CNW did actually have a main line between Casper Wyoming and lander Wyoming
What’s your favorite railroad
Mine is definitely Chicago And NorthWestern
Hey Cvision what was the chadron to lander line for?
It was a failed transcontinental route. They were aiming for the west coast, but never made it.
Did they just not have the money
They didn’t have the resources or the vision to complete the route.
Why was it even built then
They had high hopes early on.
I can’t read it but what did the redwood water tank say the one made of stone in lusk wyoming
I’m not saying my vision is bad it’s just because of the blur
The conical-shaped, wood-shingle roof is topped by an ornamental finial. A sign on the tank's southeast elevation reads, "Fremont, Elkhorn, and Missouri Valley Railroad 1886-1986" with a drawing of a steam locomotive.
@@CVisionProductions1 what does it say on the sign
At 41:23
www.hmdb.org/m.asp?m=41961
Coal trains from The CNW are taken by the up to Omaha Nebraska from south morril Nebraska then taken by the CNW to Chicago Wisconsin and various locations
You are correct.
You said that they are taken to north platte but that’s because sometimes the coal trains will have a crew change
CNW operates the coal trains between the mines and South Morrill. UP operated the trains across its own network including South Morrill to North Platte. Many of those same coal trains were handed back to the CNW at Fremont, Nebraska.
Look at those fresh painted dash 9s no dirt on them
It was a great time for them before they were layered in coal dust.
Probably explains why they were always the lead locomotives
Chris I swear cnw has the best horns ever made
They were unique.
Look at their dash 9 sounds they had the best horns ever
Do you have any CNW footage from 1994
The footage on this video of the CNW was in 1994. Our video “Remembering the Cowboy” was mostly 1994
Gee I sure wish I could have CNW footage without being copyrighted because I have none unfortunately I wish I had some but it sucks that I don’t because I love CNW and it’s my favorite railroad
I understand how you feel. I wish I shot the Milwaukee Road and CB&Q. But don’t use anyone else’s footage. That’s not cool.
Did the C&NW had mines of their own or did they use the BN mines
No railroads owned any of the mines. They are each independently owned. The railroads only had contracts with the power companies who purchased the coal from a particular mine. However, CNW was only able to access the mines between Converse Junction up to Caballo Mine.
This site shows who owns the mines. www.up.com/customers/bulk/mines/m-sprb/index.htm
I was asking if the C&NW RR had access or went to any mines that the BN didn’t
Not that I know of. All of the ones that the North Western served, the Burlington northern served as well.
Probably because BN and C&NW had to agree with each other that they needed to share all the mines so they could get to the power plants that one railroad could have access to
How many cars in a typical coal train?
Usually between 115 and 135.
Of every location in this video, which one was your favorite?
Newcastle. By far. I love the town and the places to watch trains. Thanks for asking.
@@CVisionProductions1Are the people friendly?
@Cnw8701 They absolutely are!
Did the CNW build their own line so they could get more trains to the mines instead of having to use trackage rights and have less trains or was it that they knew it was more profitable
Bob Wilcox explained it perfectly.
The C&NW recognized the potental in the PRB in the early 1970s but could not find a way to finance the project. During this time I was a Market Manager at the C&NW.
The BN initically announced they were going to object to the C&NW coming into the PRB. Robert Spafford, Chairman of the ICC, invited Larry Provo, CEO of the C&NW and Bob Dowding, CEO of the BN to a meeting in Washington. He pointed out to his guests that the US faced an energy crisis and the national interest required the C&NW coming into the PRB as soon as they could arrange financing and specifically without a long drawn out ICC case about the C&NW getting access. The two CEOs agreed with Mr Spafford's view.
However, the C&NW was unable to finance the project via the Cowboy Line or a connection with the UP in NE. Therefore, the UP thought the C&NW should step aside and not object to the UP coming in from Nebraska via the North Platte River. The C&NW's counter proposal was that they set up a joint venture(Northwest Town Properties). The C&NW contributed their geographic position and the UP contributed their borrowing power to the new joint venture.
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Thank you Tony!
Hey c vision yesterday was unfortunate because guess what happened to the cnw 22 years ago 😢😢😢
Actually, 28 years ago. April 25, 1995. UP purchased the CNW
Noooooooo😢😢😢😢😢 my great railroad
8:20 my favorite one
Hi there, Gabe. Which train are you referring to? Engine number (or train symbol) and location are very helpful for us while answering comments. Thanks for watching!
The Montana rail link sd40-2 in Gillette
Ahhh, yes. Thanks for letting us know. That was actually an SD45-2. We made an error on the classification. Either way, that was a neat train.
@@CVisionProductions1 yep it sure was
Did you get to know the men who were standing at 37:52 the man at 1:04:17 or the man at 1:08:00
Nope. Didn’t want to bother them while they were working.
Ok makes sense
the SD60s didn't perform well in coal service in the eyes of the CNW... i hired on in 1993 and remember seeing more and more 60s being put back into manifest freight service... the GE C-40-8 was a better performer in coal service... that better performance led them to buy the C-44s
I remember hearing that years ago. I still find it amazing that some of those C40-8’s are still in service on the CN. Thank you for sharing!!!
1:02:08: that's UP #6706.
Nice! You found it. Thanks for watching.
5:12
Come on, let it out.
Yeah, the engineer was pretty weak with the lever.
@@CVisionProductions1Was the horn fouled?
Hey Chris why are nearly half of these towns fake because I look them up on earth but they don’t appear so did you make up town names for the video so you wouldn’t be putting footage without a town or am I not seeing something
They are not fake names. We do not make up things in our videos. They are railroad station names for sidings.
Ohhhh ok did you ask cnw and bn what they call their blocks
Btw I realized that the railroads have their own names for signal blocks sidings underpasses overpasses crossings and other plases
Hey C vision you what’s sad
What’s sad?
@@CVisionProductions1 that the UP bought the C&NW
@@CNWrapidrails6834 Yeah. That was a sad day.