Face your fears. Try new and different things. Get out of your comfort zone. Take on challenges. That's the only way to build self-knowledge, self-trust, and confidence. Otherwise, there's a risk that you'll spend your whole life on auto-pilot, never reaching your full, amazing potential, and living a life that you didn't really choose. That's the battle we all must fight as adults - if we want to live freely, consciously, meaningfully and authentically
This is a really engaging interview because it gets to the root of a lot of our problems which causes so much suffering in all our lives: fear of other people’s opinions or FOPO as they say. And yet, as compelling as it is to identify this all too familiar fear, if it’s so destructive why are we all drawn to it? Is it a tribe thing, is it a control thing??? Is our survival dependent on it? They say social isolation is worse for your health than cigarettes so it means that what people think of us IS important.
I loved the conversation and feel privileged to have been able to sharein the discussion somehow. One thing came to me is how my dogs enrich my life so deeply. They are little dogs by the way, with huge personalities might make a lion jump? 😄 They are live and direct for love and connection and mind me of so much if not all of what's most important. 🙏 🙂 ❤️
There are so many incredible layers in this discussion. Like most RR podcasts, it deserves at least 3 listens! Thanks Rich for encouraging us to deepen our lives in all ways!
Yes. Good opportunity to acknowledge how great person and interviewer is Rich Roll (thanks too that you have an easy name to memorize 😅). I wish people on tv or journalists were respectful and made productive questions to their interviewees ❤ Hello from 🇯🇵
Thanks so much. Greatly appreciate the conversation! Not allowing the opinion of others in relation to your lane to be a hindrance is a mighty powerful skill, and one that can be developed. First, I like to ask myself...what's my Gestalt in all of this? Then I ask myself, who is this person...do they matter to my trajectory. I do my best to clean up my part, but also to not allow others to tell me "what my part is," unless they're coming from a place of emotional maturity and intelligence...like the people who have what I want from an emotional maturity perspective. I'm also Buddhist, and use the Dharma and Sangha to help me see my role. From there.....I decide when to not give 2 f!@#$%s. It's been working fairly well for me. I'm not popular, but I'm grounded.
Honestly and personally, it's not that i care of what people think in my case, it's just tgat there parts of myself that im not comfortable sharing about. I don't like beeing seen. But i've learned, if you don't mind something, it doesn't matter. What you focus on will feed it.
Wow, Michael Gervais has an EQ of a million. I love how absolutely real he was and talked about little details of self coping that we dismiss. I picked up some tiny nuggets that I believe are going to be quite pivotal, like that we should look at others opinions less passionately or dispassionately. How powerful is that! That only leaves more room for my own agency.
Hi Rich, i agree with Michaels first comment. I really appreciate the way you conduct your interviews. They are always genuine, curious & you provide safe space for people to share their stories & really go deep.i love ygat you care so much. Thankyou!
Looking forward to it. Even without reading his book, lets take a moment to consider WHY we worry what others think. It didnt come out of nowhere. We are wired for socisl acceptance. You act out of the norm and you risk very real social exclusion. And it doesn't matter what amazing idea or talent you develop, if no one is willing to have you around them or believes you're a risk to their product or company, your amazing talent is WASTED. This mastery is a balance between mastery of a skill or attribute and mastery of social acceptance in order to give yourself a voice that people will actually listen to. There's a reason why they refer to interoffice social interactions as "office politics". No one wants to make a deal with someone who won't compromise or isn't relatable.
You both were in sync with each other. It was like watching a high wire act. Each step followed from the last in perfect unison uncovering another deeper layer of understanding and knowledge. Well done! I need to listen to this a couple times. Bought his book too. thank you!
Rich Roll - Your work and its public expression - via your podcast continue to inspire and inform us all. In listening to this episode, I was reminded again that our greatest enemy is ourselves. As humans, we spend so much of our lives allowing our unconscious minds to drive our emotions, thoughts, and actions. As you have so eloquently discussed and shared when you have stared over the cliff of addiction and despair and chosen to return - by making the conscious decisions to face your deepest fears, embrace your vulnerability, and mistakes, and forgive yourself - every day - you live anew with humility and grace. I am and will be forever grateful for the sharing of wisdom and honesty delving into the challenges of being human and making a difference that your work embodies.
The approach to skill development really hit home for me. I've been focusing on gaining a better skill set skiing in order to go heliskiing and I've been making progress. This last session was extreme crud, what I'm the worst at, sent me into a tailspin emotionally negating all the progress I've made. Thanks for reminding me of the progress I've made in the middle. Off to ski a better day with a better mindset.
This was a really insightful and helpful conversation! Thank you both 🙏 I would propose the title of the video be slightly changed to what Dr. Michael Gervais actually said around 1:03:00: "I didn't say to stop caring about what other people think. I said to stop worrying about what other people think. I can control my worries."
Two of my favorite parasocial relationships I have. I kove these two. So many gems from both of them. They both know how to make each other comfortable and bring out oodles of wisdom
loved this conversation! read this book "effortless mastery" focusing on musical perfomance in particular, it said: you need to be ready to go on stage and suck. not only that but you need to be ready to suck on stage and after getting off it still say "I love me". also the ideas here very much reminded me of "7 habits of the highly effective people" -which i loved!!
Amazing conversation, so much to learn here. Gervais is inspirational and generous in sharing his personal vulnerability and professional insights. The human experience is really a common thread that binds us all.
Here's are the key take aways: - The single greatest constrictor of human potential is the fear of other people's opinions. We often end up masquerading as individuals in a social world, when in reality we are inherently social creatures. - The path to Mastery starts with your relationship with yourself - developing self-awareness, a growth mindset, and a sense of purpose beyond just pleasing others. - Imagination and the ability to envision your future self is a powerful tool. Regularly reflecting on who you want to become can help guide your growth. - The corporate world is shifting from an "extraction" model that prioritizes performance metrics, to an "unlock" model that seeks to unleash the dormant potential in employees by fostering purpose, calmness, and optimism. - Implementing simple psychological skills like breathing exercises can have a big impact when scaled across an organization. The key is embedding these practices into the rhythm of business. - Overcoming the fear of other people's opinions requires a fundamental commitment to work on yourself from the inside out, cultivating self-awareness and aligning your thoughts, words, and actions with your core values and purpose.
Words on walls definitely seems to be where we are at... ”be a leader” ”think outside the box” but in reality we still feel like the workplace is extracting specific talents. It's like mediation with words of affirmation but it's in one ear and out the other. Hard to understand how the workplace will transform to reach this new model. We interview for talents...what will we interview for in the future...half psychology of the person?
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I discovered Mike through you Rich on an early pod - love his work, loved this conversation and wish MG the best with his new book.
Rich, the attention to detail on your set is incredible. I find myself visually obsessing over the grain in the table and the chartreuse chairs. Well done. Moving podcast…..
Not caring what people think of you is far easier said than done. Especially if you have got the impression when it comes to trying to meet women for example, that they are so apathetic toward me, that even in my city of 2 million people, not 1 of them in the last 5 years has approached me and asked me out on a date. Its this fear of being an imposter to a demographic who never even sees you as worthy of any connection whatsoever.
i mean women typically dont approach men to ask them out, it doesnt mean they dont like you. they could just be waiting for you to make the first move.
Big Thanks Rich for another amazing episode. But need to say. You mentioned problems your with back issues. Sitting in this position while legs are under your seat is a big and bad load on your spine. Avoid that. Cheers 🤙
I was once the best. Never once did I slow down and over analyze becoming the best. I moved. I thought. I believed. There was no charlatan that could have told me how to do it. It just did it. I was. It may have been spiritual. If you're on top, enjoy it now. Remember... you can't sustain it. So plan now for your fall. And then live again, really.
Hello Rich thanks for the episode. With the pain in your lower back, I just keep noticing a posture you adopt during the discussion you have with each person you speak with. It seems like it is when you are making a point or listening intently - your head juts forward, your shoulders are squared backward & your arms & the palms of your hands are in a kind of pounce position. This misalignment over long periods of time creates a lot of tension in your back because the head weighs 7 lbs or more & that jutting forward & sustaining the position for long periods of time stresses your back out more that you may think. Have a look at the side view of you sitting when the camera captures your body. Then notice how much you do this with intense focus & content. A suggestion is to start to imagine you have a string coming out of the middle of your head & that you are suspended - body dangling, floating. Make this a new habit & see if there is less tension in your back & body. Building a new habit may be an eye-opener...Thanks, Joy
1:37:14 "Mastery and Healthy Relationships"--- The Honold Pedestal... Yep. He's personally evolved. Love and Respect for that. I'm just so tired of his spotlight and money magnet. With all due respect. So, what about his buddy TOMMY CALDWELL? Pedestal for him, please?!? Thanks for the rant space.
Hi Rich, I do enjoy your podcast and the interviews. I’ve watch several, and I’m wondering if you ever have guests of color in your interviews? While your guests are pretty amazing thinkers, they’re always White. Just curious.
Behind the corporate philosophy, is corporate philosophy, that employee motivation is driven by what the company does rather than what the individual's mindset .... prefer more goggins just do it approach than this one... Herr Gervias is a smart guy.. interesting, but not my cup of tea.
A masterclass on how to speak for two hours and not acctually anything of substance and but make lots of vague generalities. Be your best self blah blah blah. Another wanabe guru.
Dr. Gervais says Microsoft is not like the old "extraction model", and he's helping employees use their untapped creative potential. What is unsaid is that all the profit of that unlocked potential goes to the shareholders and employees get fired at the whim of management, some 16,000 in the past year. How is that not "extractive"? Then later, they both criticize Western culture for being to individualistic. Wonder why that is given you can be tossed aside on the whim of people juicing profits for shareholders. People have adopted the approaches he criticises for basic survival in late stage capitalism! Which he is enabling. These guys cannot connect those dots?!?
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Face your fears. Try new and different things. Get out of your comfort zone. Take on challenges. That's the only way to build self-knowledge, self-trust, and confidence. Otherwise, there's a risk that you'll spend your whole life on auto-pilot, never reaching your full, amazing potential, and living a life that you didn't really choose. That's the battle we all must fight as adults - if we want to live freely, consciously, meaningfully and authentically
Great note sir. Thanks 💪
Great
Well said!👏👏👏
This is a really engaging interview because it gets to the root of a lot of our problems which causes so much suffering in all our lives: fear of other people’s opinions or FOPO as they say. And yet, as compelling as it is to identify this all too familiar fear, if it’s so destructive why are we all drawn to it? Is it a tribe thing, is it a control thing??? Is our survival dependent on it? They say social isolation is worse for your health than cigarettes so it means that what people think of us IS important.
I loved the conversation and feel privileged to have been able to sharein the discussion somehow.
One thing came to me is how my dogs enrich my life so deeply. They are little dogs by the way, with huge personalities might make a lion jump? 😄 They are live and direct for love and connection and mind me of so much if not all of what's most important. 🙏 🙂 ❤️
There are so many incredible layers in this discussion. Like most RR podcasts, it deserves at least 3 listens! Thanks Rich for encouraging us to deepen our lives in all ways!
Not a fan of the corporate schtick, but the info is great!
Thank ❤you , needed to hear this this morning….out of the darkness we will come into the light ❤☀
Yes. Good opportunity to acknowledge how great person and interviewer is Rich Roll (thanks too that you have an easy name to memorize 😅). I wish people on tv or journalists were respectful and made productive questions to their interviewees ❤
Hello from 🇯🇵
Thanks so much. Greatly appreciate the conversation! Not allowing the opinion of others in relation to your lane to be a hindrance is a mighty powerful skill, and one that can be developed. First, I like to ask myself...what's my Gestalt in all of this? Then I ask myself, who is this person...do they matter to my trajectory. I do my best to clean up my part, but also to not allow others to tell me "what my part is," unless they're coming from a place of emotional maturity and intelligence...like the people who have what I want from an emotional maturity perspective. I'm also Buddhist, and use the Dharma and Sangha to help me see my role. From there.....I decide when to not give 2 f!@#$%s. It's been working fairly well for me. I'm not popular, but I'm grounded.
Gestalt?
Honestly and personally, it's not that i care of what people think in my case, it's just tgat there parts of myself that im not comfortable sharing about. I don't like beeing seen. But i've learned, if you don't mind something, it doesn't matter. What you focus on will feed it.
Wow, Michael Gervais has an EQ of a million. I love how absolutely real he was and talked about little details of self coping that we dismiss. I picked up some tiny nuggets that I believe are going to be quite pivotal, like that we should look at others opinions less passionately or dispassionately. How powerful is that! That only leaves more room for my own agency.
Hi Rich, i agree with Michaels first comment. I really appreciate the way you conduct your interviews. They are always genuine, curious & you provide safe space for people to share their stories & really go deep.i love ygat you care so much. Thankyou!
Immense gratitude to Rich Roll for making me aware of Michael Gervais’s existence!! This is perhaps the BEST podcast I have ever listened to!!!❤❤❤❤❤❤
Looking forward to it. Even without reading his book, lets take a moment to consider WHY we worry what others think. It didnt come out of nowhere. We are wired for socisl acceptance. You act out of the norm and you risk very real social exclusion. And it doesn't matter what amazing idea or talent you develop, if no one is willing to have you around them or believes you're a risk to their product or company, your amazing talent is WASTED.
This mastery is a balance between mastery of a skill or attribute and mastery of social acceptance in order to give yourself a voice that people will actually listen to. There's a reason why they refer to interoffice social interactions as "office politics". No one wants to make a deal with someone who won't compromise or isn't relatable.
You both were in sync with each other. It was like watching a high wire act. Each step followed from the last in perfect unison uncovering another deeper layer of understanding and knowledge. Well done! I need to listen to this a couple times. Bought his book too. thank you!
Rich Roll - Your work and its public expression - via your podcast continue to inspire and inform us all.
In listening to this episode, I was reminded again that our greatest enemy is ourselves.
As humans, we spend so much of our lives allowing our unconscious minds to drive our emotions, thoughts, and actions.
As you have so eloquently discussed and shared when you have stared over the cliff of addiction and despair and chosen to return - by making the conscious decisions to face your deepest fears, embrace your vulnerability, and mistakes, and forgive yourself - every day - you live anew with humility and grace. I am and will be forever grateful for the sharing of wisdom and honesty delving into the challenges of being human and making a difference that your work embodies.
The approach to skill development really hit home for me. I've been focusing on gaining a better skill set skiing in order to go heliskiing and I've been making progress. This last session was extreme crud, what I'm the worst at, sent me into a tailspin emotionally negating all the progress I've made. Thanks for reminding me of the progress I've made in the middle. Off to ski a better day with a better mindset.
This was a really insightful and helpful conversation! Thank you both 🙏
I would propose the title of the video be slightly changed to what Dr. Michael Gervais actually said around 1:03:00:
"I didn't say to stop caring about what other people think. I said to stop worrying about what other people think. I can control my worries."
Two of my favorite parasocial relationships I have. I kove these two. So many gems from both of them. They both know how to make each other comfortable and bring out oodles of wisdom
Love this conversation and the beautiful way invaluable information is exchanged.
Totally agree with the opening comments about RR's ability to create exceptional conversations with his guests.
loved this conversation!
read this book "effortless mastery" focusing on musical perfomance in particular, it said: you need to be ready to go on stage and suck. not only that but you need to be ready to suck on stage and after getting off it still say "I love me".
also the ideas here very much reminded me of "7 habits of the highly effective people" -which i loved!!
Amazing conversation, so much to learn here. Gervais is inspirational and generous in sharing his personal vulnerability and professional insights. The human experience is really a common thread that binds us all.
Here's are the key take aways:
- The single greatest constrictor of human potential is the fear of other people's opinions. We often end up masquerading as individuals in a social world, when in reality we are inherently social creatures.
- The path to Mastery starts with your relationship with yourself - developing self-awareness, a growth mindset, and a sense of purpose beyond just pleasing others.
- Imagination and the ability to envision your future self is a powerful tool. Regularly reflecting on who you want to become can help guide your growth.
- The corporate world is shifting from an "extraction" model that prioritizes performance metrics, to an "unlock" model that seeks to unleash the dormant potential in employees by fostering purpose, calmness, and optimism.
- Implementing simple psychological skills like breathing exercises can have a big impact when scaled across an organization. The key is embedding these practices into the rhythm of business.
- Overcoming the fear of other people's opinions requires a fundamental commitment to work on yourself from the inside out, cultivating self-awareness and aligning your thoughts, words, and actions with your core values and purpose.
We are not individuals who have leaned to be social animals who have leaned to identify as separate selves
Words on walls definitely seems to be where we are at... ”be a leader” ”think outside the box” but in reality we still feel like the workplace is extracting specific talents. It's like mediation with words of affirmation but it's in one ear and out the other. Hard to understand how the workplace will transform to reach this new model. We interview for talents...what will we interview for in the future...half psychology of the person?
I discovered Mike through you Rich on an early pod - love his work, loved this conversation and wish MG the best with his new book.
Rich, the attention to detail on your set is incredible. I find myself visually obsessing over the grain in the table and the chartreuse chairs. Well done.
Moving podcast…..
This conversation resonated. Thank you for it!
Absolutely worth the listen! Emotionally intelligent men are a joy to experience.
Not caring what people think of you is far easier said than done. Especially if you have got the impression when it comes to trying to meet women for example, that they are so apathetic toward me, that even in my city of 2 million people, not 1 of them in the last 5 years has approached me and asked me out on a date. Its this fear of being an imposter to a demographic who never even sees you as worthy of any connection whatsoever.
i mean women typically dont approach men to ask them out, it doesnt mean they dont like you. they could just be waiting for you to make the first move.
stop victimization
Fight, Flight, Freeze, Fawn (people pleasing).
“We are capable of so much more” ☘️
Big Thanks Rich for another amazing episode. But need to say. You mentioned problems your with back issues. Sitting in this position while legs are under your seat is a big and bad load on your spine. Avoid that. Cheers 🤙
Wow I just discovered Rich Roll. I did not think there was someone like me on the plant. You’re such a great guy and podcaster. Thank you for content
I was once the best. Never once did I slow down and over analyze becoming the best. I moved. I thought. I believed. There was no charlatan that could have told me how to do it. It just did it. I was. It may have been spiritual. If you're on top, enjoy it now. Remember... you can't sustain it. So plan now for your fall. And then live again, really.
👏👏👏this podcast is amazing and has changed my life thank you so much for this. God bless
Another reason to love Mondays!
This is such an important concept, and the conversation between you was excellent. Great podcast.
This guy really gets it, solid stuff. Thank u
The lion🦁 does not turn around when a small dog🐕 barks😅 very true
Hello Rich thanks for the episode. With the pain in your lower back, I just keep noticing a posture you adopt during the discussion you have with each person you speak with. It seems like it is when you are making a point or listening intently - your head juts forward, your shoulders are squared backward & your arms & the palms of your hands are in a kind of pounce position. This misalignment over long periods of time creates a lot of tension in your back because the head weighs 7 lbs or more & that jutting forward & sustaining the position for long periods of time stresses your back out more that you may think. Have a look at the side view of you sitting when the camera captures your body. Then notice how much you do this with intense focus & content. A suggestion is to start to imagine you have a string coming out of the middle of your head & that you are suspended - body dangling, floating. Make this a new habit & see if there is less tension in your back & body. Building a new habit may be an eye-opener...Thanks, Joy
So much help received from this, thank you both so much!!!
1. Personal meaning 2. Bigger than you 3. Future oriented
Hey nice to see you in conversation 🎊
Best advice ever 🙏🏻
Love this ❤ thank you
loved this, thanks to both of you...k
Great conversation!
1:37:14 "Mastery and Healthy Relationships"--- The Honold Pedestal... Yep. He's personally evolved. Love and Respect for that. I'm just so tired of his spotlight and money magnet. With all due respect. So, what about his buddy TOMMY CALDWELL? Pedestal for him, please?!? Thanks for the rant space.
Hi Rich, I do enjoy your podcast and the interviews. I’ve watch several, and I’m wondering if you ever have guests of color in your interviews? While your guests are pretty amazing thinkers, they’re always White. Just curious.
Great
Always loved Tom Cruise ❤
How about Courtney Dauwalter as an answer to your question about a current athlete that epitomizes what Dr Gervais has been talking about?
She’s a bad ass ! I agree ☝️
Who is the athlete that they reference in the episode? Alex something?
Behind the corporate philosophy, is corporate philosophy, that employee motivation is driven by what the company does rather than what the individual's mindset .... prefer more goggins just do it approach than this one... Herr Gervias is a smart guy.. interesting, but not my cup of tea.
Courtney Dauwalter!
❤❤❤
A masterclass on how to speak for two hours and not acctually anything of substance and but make lots of vague generalities. Be your best self blah blah blah. Another wanabe guru.
Dr. Gervais says Microsoft is not like the old "extraction model", and he's helping employees use their untapped creative potential. What is unsaid is that all the profit of that unlocked potential goes to the shareholders and employees get fired at the whim of management, some 16,000 in the past year. How is that not "extractive"? Then later, they both criticize Western culture for being to individualistic. Wonder why that is given you can be tossed aside on the whim of people juicing profits for shareholders. People have adopted the approaches he criticises for basic survival in late stage capitalism! Which he is enabling. These guys cannot connect those dots?!?
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Alex and Courtney.
I’d say their last names but it appears obvious to me.
broken record - well knwo what to do. Let's just stop seekign Self help lectures and just do.the damn thing by building the plan.
One unsolicited concession after another, all caught on DVR. Unbelievable.
Like me, Dislike me - its the same- only Jesus Christ can judge me- nobody else. AMEN ☦️✝️
What's the point of this?
felt like corporate talk.
I feel that companies especially large companies fit workers into the group to fit their bottom lines.Ask Elon musk and other wealthy executives.