Yeah I just want to see the next chapter now, they literally dropped the existence of other Dragon Balls, and that Namekians ancestors are from the Demon realm, thats enough to hype me more, knowing there will be more surprises. Toriyama (R.I.P) been cooking before his death FR
@@ThatBoyBent Its not dark magic, they were created by Zalama (super Dragon Balls came first) what we dont know if those were made in the demon realm like the ones we seen in the episode
Dende mentions in superhero that he can't draw out piccolo's potential bc he's too young. maybe the reason for Neva being able to summon the dragon balls and make them functional again comes from him being seemingly thousands of years old, something that our namekians maybe forgot was possible since none have reached that age in so long
I dont know about gathering them at will but Kami was seemingly able to make the dragonballs functional again at will and did it once confirmed, possibly twice. The confirmed time was in dragonball when he revived the dragonballs after Piccolo Daimao killed Shenron after making a wish to regain his youth. Kami said "normally the balls would still remain stone for a year but i'll make an exception this time" which makes sense that they should be stone because not much time had passed since Piccolo's wish. The second time was when Piccolo/Kami was revived during the battle of Namek, Popo was able to gather and use the dragonballs despite only around 2 months passing between then and the last wish to bring Goku back to life to fight the saiyans.
Now it makes sense why the original Piccolo referred to himself as “Demon King Piccolo” because the race came from the Demon Realm, or the Nameless Namekian’s ancestors were direct decedents of the Namekians that left the Demon Realm (also, has anyone else noticed Shin’s Potara are green instead of yellow)
Wait, it's a bit of a stretch but don't they look kinda like Zarbon's earrings? Would it mean that the Frieza force just gravedug up some older Kai's earrings?
A senile old Namekian secretly being the ultimate big bad definitely seems very plausible. (Maybe some wish shenanigans occurs where he pulls a King Piccolo/Lord Slug & wish for youth)
@@rosesweetcharlotteHe’s a really old probably ancient namek since he made the tamagamis & talked about not seeing another namek in like a thousand years, he might be a dark namekian or prolly just an evil/just doesn’t care namekian
Actually they are called Namekujin instead of Namekuseijin because the sei (星) in namekusei means planet, so Namekuseijin is basically "inhabitants of namekusei", so in the demon realm it wouldn't make sense for they to be called that, since they're not from a planet specifically. Basically NAMEKUSEIJIN (NAMEKIAN) Inhabitant of namekusei NAMEKUJIN (NAMEK) the actual race
The first episode was really good, i loved the lore of the demon realm. I always been interested in the demon realm ever since dabura. I knew toriyama would knock it out of the park ever since this was announced. The animation/art is just incredible. 10/10 from me.
I loved the first episode, but I feel like the marketing was terrible. People are still asking all over where they can watch the show, if it’s a movie, if it’s already out. Can’t wait to see what it holds for the future!
It's because Daima can be seen at a lot of different places. My local theater are going to air the first 2-3 episodes of Daima english dubbed in a couple of weeks, Daima is coming to netflix next week with english dub, and I've seen some ads about it also being on Hulu. Crunchyroll is the only place that gets it this week so it's confusing
Yeah I don't know anything about it is it like weekly on Crunchyroll I heard it was going to be on Netflix should I just wait for the whole thing to come out on Netflix?
@@ThatBoyBent it seems like it’s gonna be weekly on Netflix starting next Friday so it’ll be one week behind Crunchyroll. It’s also available on Hulu as well as Crunchyroll right now. The dub will premiere in November in US theaters they’ll screen the first three episodes combined. After that, we don’t know where the dub be streaming.
Not really retcon, potara still defuse mortals after 1 hour as Goku Black Saga has not been retconned, it's just that now Vegito in Majin Buu Saga defused from the original reason instead of second, "new" one
My prediction: Since this show commemorates the 40th anniversary of the franchise, and to that end we have made Goku a kid again and will be returning his Power Pole, Neva is going to wind up being the Final Boss villain. An old Namekian/Demon who gets his youth restored. Smells like Piccolo Daimo to me.
What if in the series talks just a bit about Zalama? Like for example, the old Namekian we saw in the episode is like a family member like a great great great great great... Grandson or smth? Its crazy but dream is free
@@aboxonmydesk319They mentioned universe 7 by name, in the granolah saga it was mentioned that namekians came from a different realm, and for the fusion, two things can be true at the same time. They defused due time mortal time limit and they can be defused by Buu. Plus this is only the first episode.
I think potara still split two non-kai beings after an hour, they just still don't know yet, since they all learn about it during the goku black saga (kaioshin included) and that's why they used buu's "gasses" to defuse. So THEORETICALLY the time limit is still canon😅
I wonder did Elder Kai also turned to a child? Like wish was specificly turn everyone which fight to Buu and their friends and Elder Kai is one of them but he's like older than 75 million years. So is Shenron even strong enough to turn him an infant? Same for Buu.
I am glad Dragon Ball is back on TV after 6 years. It's just unforgettable and I was very happy with the episode. Honestly, half of the running time was a good quick recap of Buu Saga with better visuals, animation and fights. After that, you really start thinking about a DB remake and not just the OG. I know that not many fans want it, and I was skeptical myself. But I think that with a season and new animation, updated fights and this remake can be great. Source material for it been done for a long time. One Piece hasn't finished yet, but Netflix and Wit Studio making a remake. I think Dragon Ball won't be an exception.
it makes more sense that daima is the original sequel to db and that dbs is in another timeline. daima was 100% done by toriyama when toei took care of the dbs scenario. i'm glad toriyama is rectoning the bad ideas of dbs
I have a theory that gohan is going to remain an adult… I think Shenron might have done a “monkeys paw curls” type of thing when Gomah says “those who defeated Buu and their friends” He didn’t say Goku’s friends AND family. So Shenron turned everyone present at the party young because “he’s having a party with all of his friends” leaving a loophole for Gohan to be left as an adult Plus I don’t recall seeing any official Daima promotion that shows Gohan as a child
You may be onto something here because in the first Daima trailer we see Korrin and he isn't a kid. I guess we'll know next week if we see Dende and Popo as kids or not. Tien is also strangely absent from the party and he has a third eye... Let's hope.
@@rosesweetcharlotte exactly! I can close my eyes and imagine Toriyama laughing as he draws “and Gohan is the only one left as an adult!” I don’t know if it would be this deep: but the Juxtaposition of Gohan being left an adult to now take care of Goku and piccolo is very interesting to me
It makes sense since he did create the demon realm's dragon balls. Which goes to show all the different dragon balls (the two manga ones included) are basically the same at their core they just have different limitations or special additives to them depending on what the creator put or how powerful they are. So any Namekian with powerful enough magic or is experienced enough can just do the same thing
@@JohnSneed-nx2kb i think it's because it's kinda busted since that's one of the big balancing factors of the dragon balls and no one since the guy who literally made earth's dragon balls has done it
@@dankerbellTo be fair, most Nameks just aren't even going to think to do it. For them, the dragon balls are supposed to be sort of a test. They only started having them gathered in case of emergencies
How can you not love his passion for Dragon Ball reminds me of why I love the series so much thank you I watched episode of this breakdown is so helpful for the questions that I had
I remember when I was watching the tournament of power as it came out. I was hyped af seeing goku in a new transformation. I'm sure daima wont be Tournament of Power level intense but I hope I get to feel something similar to what I felt back in 2017
The wish is still in line with toriyamas work since as you said it hasn't really weakened them as we kinda already know due to trailers lol. which is why I think Shenron is a bit more hesitant with the wishes since he still keeps thier power with them and maybe this even will tie back to him and orange piccolo?
It is stated that 17 and 18 age slower than normal people due to being cyborgs and they are organic cyborgs which means that marron may have inherited her mother's cells which could cause her to age slower. That would be the only actual explanation if there is one and it's not just a giant plot hole lol
Nah, Marron likely gets her stature from Krillin. I mean, back when he was 16-17 years old he was still pint size like Goku was. Shoot, he was even shorter than Goku was.
do you think the Namekians looked any different before they all left the demon realm? do you think we might get a flashback showing how and why they left?
surely it's just an important signifier and not an exhaustive "literally every single character with pointy ears in the franchise is from the demon realm" right? because obviously it's a new rule that none of toriyama, toyotaro, or toei followed when making their characters before this point and it could have more major implications than they'd like
32:55 I don't recall but while Ghoma's intention was to weaken them, he didn't specifically ask to weaken them just to make them younger. So maybe in a roundabout ironic way all this wish did was make them younger but not younger. Similarly in GT Goku was still able to go up against Buu Level enemies like Rildo and such so maybe that's the loophole?
I have two theories on why Shenron was able to make them young. Theory 1: Despite the hopes of Goma and Degesu, the wish doesn't actually weaken them at all and also does not change the fundamental nature of their beings. (You can wait to become an adult again with no outside influence, you can't wait for cybernetics to regrow with no outside influence, you can't wait for a dead guy to come back to life with no outside influence.) Theory 2: When Neva used his magic on the Dragon Balls maybe they became empowered enough to allow for a wish that bypasses the permission requirement. (Edit: This could also possibly explain why they don't simply use Porunga to undo the wish since we can safely assume that they will remain kids until the end of the show, perhaps they try and it simply doesn't work.)
20:43 The Namekian is the one who Ordered The Three Guards 💂💂💂 to Protect 🛡️ the dragon balls And the gurads really repect him like when the Namekian raised his hand to him he bowed 🫡
I think that Goku and his friends aren't any weaker from being younger, they will just need to get used to these bodies which is why we see Goku struggling with Flying in one of the trailers. He isn't any weaker he just needs to get used to his new smaller body.
27:19 to answer this. No it’s not a mis translation. It was actually well translated. I think people forgot who or what buu is, He is the personification of “evil” and on that note if goku wishes buu to be “good” then his existence would disappear so in order to avoid that he wished that buu to be “good” and stay on earth. At least that’s what I understood when I watched the scene. It’s hard to explain cause it’s a comic book thing.
Yes and Kibitoshin is also there so they must re-fuse before the end of Daima. I also find it funny that Dende refuses to go to the party here but he goes (with Popo) to that OVA party 😂
No-prize time: Gohan isn't a warrior. He's a scholar who has to fight sometimes. 2. Depends on what they mean by "weaken." It seems to me, the way they phrased it when making the plan, that making them young is a work around to that rule. In the power level sense, it may or may not make them weaker, but in the biological sense it, if anything, revitalizes them.
Also it's more confusing if almost all being with pointed ear are from demon realm when all deities in heaven and other higher realm ARE THE POINTED EAR BEING?!?!
if you want to know my theory I think they will fuse again towards the end of Daima and to be consistent with the Super they will make buu sleep by waking him up before Bulma's birthday in BOG since he was present and that will be the reason why kibito and shin couldnt use the same way they defused in Daima and so they used the Namekian Dragon Balls as indicated in super
There’s no way they’re not going to refuse at some point in Daima. Remember where this is in the timeline. It’s 6 months to year at most after Buu. Tarble shows up a year later and they are fused and Beerus is two years after that and they’re fused.
With the mystical crap this new "Namekian" did to the Dragon Balls it wouldnt surprise me if the wish to change someone got powered up or overwrote a previous limitation.
Re: Namek/Namekian They call them Namek-jin in this. Previously, they referred to them as Namek-seijin. Namek-people vs people of planet Namek. Namek vs Namekian.
I personally think/hope the Tamagami's are close but not on par with Buu. Imo, that'd undermine how impressive Beerus and Whis will be in the gang's future. If they are like close to Buu's streangth they will be a formidable obstacle for the kid versions of Goku and the gang. I also note that there are 3 of them so hopefully this means Vegeta, Gohan and Piccolo will get to fight them as sub-bosses whilst Goku fights whoever the Big Bad is going to wind up being.
In the dragon ball super manga we find out that namekians come from another realm altogether does that mean that they come from demon realm they ears like the demon realm
I'm actually really excited if this is going to be a lore heavy series ,that 😮really gives us a lot of information about how everything came to be cuz that would be really cool , next to big fighting arcs and power scale growth. But I think Lore the most important thing right now for dragon Ball to keep it interesting cuz transforming into ultra instinct and training with the gods is cool and all but it's a perfect time to go back and tell us what really is dragon Ball in the back story of All things that came to be
Those people that keep saying "Akira Toriyama said gt was canon" "Akira made gt canon it's from a recent interview" make me kinda mad lol its like bruh you really doing this now all because you want gt to be apart of the official story? Youre doing this NOW? Jesus
The porunga thing may mean that the porunga degesu know(from quite back in time) also had less dragon balls and less wishes which may mean that porunga's dragon balls might've been upgraded for more wishes but might've required more dragon Balls to increase their power
idk how you have the sanity to put up with this, i can't imagine being someone who knows so much about dragon ball and its lore to such great detail just to be told incorrect things to your face like "toriyama said gt is canon" or whatever
Little disappointed that it’s not Super era (even if it wasn’t ToP-era), but it was a great episode. Also it doesn’t matter the platform, chat is useless on all platforms lol.
Honestly, I think Gohan would be the one to get a new transformation. Maybe set up for future power ups for Tenshinhan and other weaker members of Earth's fighters. But as far as new transformations, Gohan had just got Beast and maybe something in the show will go to explain it. There is some semblance of intrigue surrounding him as he's is the only one not shown to be a kid.
Nothing you said makes any sense. Beast is part of his full potential ultimate form he unlocked through the elder kai that is already established in Super Hero. he doesn’t need a new transformation and where Daima is in the timeline it doesn’t make any sense to give him one. He’s not going to get a new transformation and based on the fact he’s not shown as he’s studying he might not be in the show much at all kinda like GT how he did next to nothing and was hardly ever in it.
@@77dd2 only the beginning so it’s really not a retcon. even if by technicality it was then it’s a retcon of a retcon and they cancel each other out so therefore neither technically exists. I think they’re definitely going to refuse at some point in Daima it wouldn’t make sense if they didn’t.
@@nathanwhite704yes and they gonna make buu sleep and waking him up right before Bulma bday in BOG and thats gonna be the reason why they didnt use buu to defuse like they did in daima and so they resorted to the namekians dragon ball like they stated in super
@@alanjamey2777 You’re just making stuff up. This is clearly not an alternate timeline it fits perfectly in the 4 year gap between Buu and Beerus. It’s 6 months to a year after Buu .
Heres what I think about the "making them into children will make them weaker part." King Gomah and the Makioshin were surprised while looking at the Buu Saga when Majin Vegeta fired ki blasts. He said, surprisingly, "they can fire light from their hands?" I think the word "light" instead of "ki blast" implies the element of surprise and shock to both Gomah and the Makioshin to the point that Gomah even considers that if such beings entered the Demon Realm, they could take over it. If they could take over the Demon Realm, then Gomah may have meant that they possessed the power to beat the Tamagamis as well. they didnt have knowledge about Ki Blasts or were taken aback by the power demonstrated by the Z Fighters, then they thought that turning them small would make them harmless. We saw in the trailer that Goku was floating, mabye unncontrollably, implying that he was having trouble using a smaller body, but later he was even able to turn Super Saiyan and even Super Saiyan 2. So mabye Shenron knew or could sense that the Z Fighters would eventually handle smaller, first grader bodies with time. I think I am pretty much wrong here but Whatever.😂 Glad to have Dragonball Peak is back.🔥
We really need to know how powerful pre unfused kami/king piccolo are cause if there's a hint of anything he can do everything they mentioned that Demon Realm namekian can do
23:45 She's... Krillin's daughter, Carthu... ._. Unless Goku did tap that 18 with the hinting look he gave to 18 in the TOP, lol. But yeah, it's... Just Krillin Genes. 😅
I always saw Super in the same boat as GT, both non-canons (YET for super) just had the same base which is the canon storyline. Daima is what I think is canon. I hope in the end of daima they would officially address super as the future canon and maybe GT as well but from a different multiverse.
Lol what about that episode was mid? I know y'all have to hate on anything new because it's apart of gatekeeping but dude that episode was Very good I also do not Trust Neva he has like that "Huhu I'm so goofy and dumb you don't have to think of me as a big threat" No mf i dont trust you keep your distance lol That scene with the Dragon Balls basically solidified it for me idk he might be the final villain which would be fun
9:04 and it's really interesting that it's look like the xenoverse by Fu and Whis of all people have this kind of past view in his staff in Sparking Zero
Beast gohan is a demon for mixed with the power of a sayian? GT goku leave with shenron aka transends to the demon realm? Hopefully, we will see a lot of timeline stuff and alt universes.
Namekian turn from demons, to water slug, back to demons, talk about a come back
TFS Piccolo: "Hell yeah!"
Demon slug
Yoooooo
@@johnnygyro2295"aw i loved it more when i was a demon"
Yeah I just want to see the next chapter now, they literally dropped the existence of other Dragon Balls, and that Namekians ancestors are from the Demon realm, thats enough to hype me more, knowing there will be more surprises.
Toriyama (R.I.P) been cooking before his death FR
And also now we know that Kaio has brothers (and fixing the Potara thingy)
Man so glad tori finally explained such huge lore like the demon realm and the namekians before he passed away. This will be a worthy last series.
So demons created the dragon balls? So it's actually dark magic?
I haven't watched episode yet so
@@ThatBoyBent Its not dark magic, they were created by Zalama (super Dragon Balls came first) what we dont know if those were made in the demon realm like the ones we seen in the episode
Dende mentions in superhero that he can't draw out piccolo's potential bc he's too young. maybe the reason for Neva being able to summon the dragon balls and make them functional again comes from him being seemingly thousands of years old, something that our namekians maybe forgot was possible since none have reached that age in so long
I dont know about gathering them at will but Kami was seemingly able to make the dragonballs functional again at will and did it once confirmed, possibly twice.
The confirmed time was in dragonball when he revived the dragonballs after Piccolo Daimao killed Shenron after making a wish to regain his youth. Kami said "normally the balls would still remain stone for a year but i'll make an exception this time" which makes sense that they should be stone because not much time had passed since Piccolo's wish.
The second time was when Piccolo/Kami was revived during the battle of Namek, Popo was able to gather and use the dragonballs despite only around 2 months passing between then and the last wish to bring Goku back to life to fight the saiyans.
@@lief1 oh i completely forgot about that first one. But i'm pretty sure piccolo was revived by porunga
@@lief1Kami was also quite old
Now it makes sense why the original Piccolo referred to himself as “Demon King Piccolo” because the race came from the Demon Realm, or the Nameless Namekian’s ancestors were direct decedents of the Namekians that left the Demon Realm (also, has anyone else noticed Shin’s Potara are green instead of yellow)
Wait, it's a bit of a stretch but don't they look kinda like Zarbon's earrings? Would it mean that the Frieza force just gravedug up some older Kai's earrings?
I really enjoyed you putting together what happened in Dragon Ball Daima, Carthu’s Dojo. I look forward to seeing more of your videos.
His Legal name at this point
A senile old Namekian secretly being the ultimate big bad definitely seems very plausible. (Maybe some wish shenanigans occurs where he pulls a King Piccolo/Lord Slug & wish for youth)
I do have to wonder why the other Nameks just left him there
@@rosesweetcharlotteHe’s a really old probably ancient namek since he made the tamagamis & talked about not seeing another namek in like a thousand years, he might be a dark namekian or prolly just an evil/just doesn’t care namekian
Actually they are called Namekujin instead of Namekuseijin because the sei (星) in namekusei means planet, so Namekuseijin is basically "inhabitants of namekusei", so in the demon realm it wouldn't make sense for they to be called that, since they're not from a planet specifically.
Basically
NAMEKUSEIJIN (NAMEKIAN) Inhabitant of namekusei
NAMEKUJIN (NAMEK) the actual race
The first episode was really good, i loved the lore of the demon realm. I always been interested in the demon realm ever since dabura. I knew toriyama would knock it out of the park ever since this was announced. The animation/art is just incredible. 10/10 from me.
Zalama. Holy crap this is all going to lead to a Zalama story.
My hope as well.
Hopefully.
Tertiary Oculus is just latin for Third Eye lol
45 min into the video explaining the lore. “Did you watch it” my LORD.
I loved the first episode, but I feel like the marketing was terrible. People are still asking all over where they can watch the show, if it’s a movie, if it’s already out. Can’t wait to see what it holds for the future!
It's because Daima can be seen at a lot of different places. My local theater are going to air the first 2-3 episodes of Daima english dubbed in a couple of weeks, Daima is coming to netflix next week with english dub, and I've seen some ads about it also being on Hulu. Crunchyroll is the only place that gets it this week so it's confusing
Yeah I don't know anything about it is it like weekly on Crunchyroll I heard it was going to be on Netflix should I just wait for the whole thing to come out on Netflix?
@@ThatBoyBent it seems like it’s gonna be weekly on Netflix starting next Friday so it’ll be one week behind Crunchyroll. It’s also available on Hulu as well as Crunchyroll right now. The dub will premiere in November in US theaters they’ll screen the first three episodes combined. After that, we don’t know where the dub be streaming.
@@ThatBoyBent it's gonna be weekly on both, netflix is just more accessibility
Crunchyroll,Netflix.
They fixed the Potara retcon, with something that actually makes sense.
Please explain
@@Purple_23184 Watch the episode and pay attention to what Shin and Kibito say.
Not really retcon, potara still defuse mortals after 1 hour as Goku Black Saga has not been retconned, it's just that now Vegito in Majin Buu Saga defused from the original reason instead of second, "new" one
@@inkchariot6147I don’t have Crunchyroll 💔💔
They say in super that they used the namekian dragon balls to unfuse durring the universe 6 vs 7 tournament
My prediction: Since this show commemorates the 40th anniversary of the franchise, and to that end we have made Goku a kid again and will be returning his Power Pole, Neva is going to wind up being the Final Boss villain. An old Namekian/Demon who gets his youth restored. Smells like Piccolo Daimo to me.
What if in the series talks just a bit about Zalama? Like for example, the old Namekian we saw in the episode is like a family member like a great great great great great... Grandson or smth? Its crazy but dream is free
Unfortunately now dbs is uncanonned
@@aboxonmydesk319No tf.
This takes place before Super.
Are you serious.
@@Chillout18-s9h just the fact that the potara fusion of shin and kabito was stopped is enough to see that it's probably uncanonning dbs
@@aboxonmydesk319They mentioned universe 7 by name, in the granolah saga it was mentioned that namekians came from a different realm, and for the fusion, two things can be true at the same time. They defused due time mortal time limit and they can be defused by Buu. Plus this is only the first episode.
@@aboxonmydesk319my guy dbs bardock is literally in the episode
I think potara still split two non-kai beings after an hour, they just still don't know yet, since they all learn about it during the goku black saga (kaioshin included) and that's why they used buu's "gasses" to defuse.
So THEORETICALLY the time limit is still canon😅
It must be canon otherwise Vegito wouldn't defuse against Zamasu
I wonder did Elder Kai also turned to a child? Like wish was specificly turn everyone which fight to Buu and their friends and Elder Kai is one of them but he's like older than 75 million years. So is Shenron even strong enough to turn him an infant?
Same for Buu.
Buu is a kid in the trailers!
@@CarthusDojo Oh, Cool
So is he Kid Buu? xD@@CarthusDojo
@@CarthusDojo we be a new name for kid Buu
@@CarthusDojo Mini Buu
I am glad Dragon Ball is back on TV after 6 years. It's just unforgettable and I was very happy with the episode. Honestly, half of the running time was a good quick recap of Buu Saga with better visuals, animation and fights. After that, you really start thinking about a DB remake and not just the OG. I know that not many fans want it, and I was skeptical myself. But I think that with a season and new animation, updated fights and this remake can be great. Source material for it been done for a long time. One Piece hasn't finished yet, but Netflix and Wit Studio making a remake. I think Dragon Ball won't be an exception.
I’d like a dbz remake but I think dbs continuation should be a higher priority
So the Demon Clan are just going back to their roots lol
I love how Daima so far is tying into DB, Z, Super, and even GT.
Yeah, in GT we see that using the dragon balls certainly has consequences. It makes me think that maybe the original dragon balls weren't good
This story feels so Toriyama. I watched Sandland when it came out and there's so many parallels you can draw
it makes more sense that daima is the original sequel to db and that dbs is in another timeline. daima was 100% done by toriyama when toei took care of the dbs scenario. i'm glad toriyama is rectoning the bad ideas of dbs
I have a theory that gohan is going to remain an adult… I think Shenron might have done a “monkeys paw curls” type of thing when Gomah says “those who defeated Buu and their friends”
He didn’t say Goku’s friends AND family. So Shenron turned everyone present at the party young because “he’s having a party with all of his friends” leaving a loophole for Gohan to be left as an adult
Plus I don’t recall seeing any official Daima promotion that shows Gohan as a child
You may be onto something here because in the first Daima trailer we see Korrin and he isn't a kid. I guess we'll know next week if we see Dende and Popo as kids or not.
Tien is also strangely absent from the party and he has a third eye... Let's hope.
I feel like you almost need an adult character in this situation just for the logistics of taking care of everyone
@@rosesweetcharlotte exactly! I can close my eyes and imagine Toriyama laughing as he draws “and Gohan is the only one left as an adult!”
I don’t know if it would be this deep: but the Juxtaposition of Gohan being left an adult to now take care of Goku and piccolo is very interesting to me
Can’t believe you didn’t mention neva being able to gather the STONE dragon balls instantly and then restoring them.
I mean it's not that crazy. It's just some really advanced Namekian magic.
Cool trick honestly. The cool down reset too. Wonder if Dende can learn it.
It makes sense since he did create the demon realm's dragon balls. Which goes to show all the different dragon balls (the two manga ones included) are basically the same at their core they just have different limitations or special additives to them depending on what the creator put or how powerful they are. So any Namekian with powerful enough magic or is experienced enough can just do the same thing
@@JohnSneed-nx2kb i think it's because it's kinda busted since that's one of the big balancing factors of the dragon balls and no one since the guy who literally made earth's dragon balls has done it
@@dankerbellTo be fair, most Nameks just aren't even going to think to do it. For them, the dragon balls are supposed to be sort of a test. They only started having them gathered in case of emergencies
The summoning them shit is crazy. Though kami did shorten the refresh rate for the dragon balls after king piccolo on a whim
now its finally make sense why king piccolo called himeself a demon, he dosent know about his race migrating to namek, he only knows the demon realm
How can you not love his passion for Dragon Ball reminds me of why I love the series so much thank you I watched episode of this breakdown is so helpful for the questions that I had
15:45 THATS TIEN THE THIRD EYE
How tf Shenron turned goku and vegeta into kids ,
When he was not able to even Bring goku to life without his choice??
toriyama felt like it, or maybe it'll be something actually explained
Wasn't that Porunga? Porunga has been shown to be much nicer than Shenron
I remember when I was watching the tournament of power as it came out. I was hyped af seeing goku in a new transformation. I'm sure daima wont be Tournament of Power level intense but I hope I get to feel something similar to what I felt back in 2017
The Buu wish thing is probably Goku wishing Shenron to erase earthling memory of Buu genocide and let him take the spot of hero along side Hercule
The wish is still in line with toriyamas work since as you said it hasn't really weakened them as we kinda already know due to trailers lol. which is why I think Shenron is a bit more hesitant with the wishes since he still keeps thier power with them and maybe this even will tie back to him and orange piccolo?
I suspect that the reveal is going to be that Nameks regularly used the dragon balls to enhance their powers
It is stated that 17 and 18 age slower than normal people due to being cyborgs and they are organic cyborgs which means that marron may have inherited her mother's cells which could cause her to age slower. That would be the only actual explanation if there is one and it's not just a giant plot hole lol
Nah, Marron likely gets her stature from Krillin. I mean, back when he was 16-17 years old he was still pint size like Goku was. Shoot, he was even shorter than Goku was.
@@cameronalt190 it's not about stature though because marron looks like a toddler and acts like one too even when she's 10 years old lol
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Sponsors are a double edge sword. On the one hand, money is great! On the other hand, they can be scummy.
@@rosesweetcharlotte yes that is true
I just don't get why Kibitoshin would fuse again, stay like that for a buncha years, only to seperate using the dragon balls again..
do you think the Namekians looked any different before they all left the demon realm? do you think we might get a flashback showing how and why they left?
they probably look like demon king piccolo’s babies he was spitting out back in og dragon ball
Stupid questions got my mans cranky 😂
how carthu keeps his sanity considering the quality of questions he gets asked on these streams i will never know
Does this mean Pilaf is from the demon realm
Or Popo or any of the kais
Or the Yardrats? I mean that may explain why there is a Yardrat in Universe 2. Does that mean we have Namekkians in every universe too?
surely it's just an important signifier and not an exhaustive "literally every single character with pointy ears in the franchise is from the demon realm" right? because obviously it's a new rule that none of toriyama, toyotaro, or toei followed when making their characters before this point and it could have more major implications than they'd like
maybe a distant ancestor, its prolly not a huge deal for most
I mean Tien is descended from aliens and it doesnt really matter
32:55 I don't recall but while Ghoma's intention was to weaken them, he didn't specifically ask to weaken them just to make them younger. So maybe in a roundabout ironic way all this wish did was make them younger but not younger. Similarly in GT Goku was still able to go up against Buu Level enemies like Rildo and such so maybe that's the loophole?
I have two theories on why Shenron was able to make them young.
Theory 1: Despite the hopes of Goma and Degesu, the wish doesn't actually weaken them at all and also does not change the fundamental nature of their beings. (You can wait to become an adult again with no outside influence, you can't wait for cybernetics to regrow with no outside influence, you can't wait for a dead guy to come back to life with no outside influence.)
Theory 2: When Neva used his magic on the Dragon Balls maybe they became empowered enough to allow for a wish that bypasses the permission requirement. (Edit: This could also possibly explain why they don't simply use Porunga to undo the wish since we can safely assume that they will remain kids until the end of the show, perhaps they try and it simply doesn't work.)
20:43 The Namekian is the one who Ordered The Three Guards 💂💂💂 to Protect 🛡️ the dragon balls
And the gurads really repect him like when the Namekian raised his hand to him he bowed 🫡
This setup is very Dragon Quest coded. Might not jive with powerscalers but will be an enjoyable romp.
I think that Goku and his friends aren't any weaker from being younger, they will just need to get used to these bodies which is why we see Goku struggling with Flying in one of the trailers. He isn't any weaker he just needs to get used to his new smaller body.
27:19 to answer this. No it’s not a mis translation. It was actually well translated. I think people forgot who or what buu is, He is the personification of “evil” and on that note if goku wishes buu to be “good” then his existence would disappear so in order to avoid that he wished that buu to be “good” and stay on earth. At least that’s what I understood when I watched the scene. It’s hard to explain cause it’s a comic book thing.
It taking place in between Majin buu and super was something I didn't expect
So Mr. Popo is a demon as well? Always knew TFS was onto something
does daima take place after or before Vegeta's Brother OVA?
a year before Tarble.
Is that Ova canon? I know Tarble is, but the actual Ova events?
Nice red profile pic
@@leonport1181logically yes because that’s where Tarble came from initially. It fits perfectly within the four year gap.
Yes and Kibitoshin is also there so they must re-fuse before the end of Daima.
I also find it funny that Dende refuses to go to the party here but he goes (with Popo) to that OVA party 😂
Nice that we found out where the nameks came from and popo to
No-prize time:
Gohan isn't a warrior. He's a scholar who has to fight sometimes.
2. Depends on what they mean by "weaken." It seems to me, the way they phrased it when making the plan, that making them young is a work around to that rule. In the power level sense, it may or may not make them weaker, but in the biological sense it, if anything, revitalizes them.
Also it's more confusing if almost all being with pointed ear are from demon realm when all deities in heaven and other higher realm ARE THE POINTED EAR BEING?!?!
Not necessarily. The demon realm could have the same origins as the kais or some of the gods could have been from the demon realm themselves.
Loved the episode, what really messed me up however was the fact that Kibito and Kaioshin are already separated when in Battle of Gods they aren’t.
if you want to know my theory I think they will fuse again towards the end of Daima and to be consistent with the Super they will make buu sleep by waking him up before Bulma's birthday in BOG since he was present and that will be the reason why kibito and shin couldnt use the same way they defused in Daima and so they used the Namekian Dragon Balls as indicated in super
There’s no way they’re not going to refuse at some point in Daima. Remember where this is in the timeline. It’s 6 months to year at most after Buu. Tarble shows up a year later and they are fused and Beerus is two years after that and they’re fused.
@@nathanwhite704 man i completely erased tarble for my memory
With the mystical crap this new "Namekian" did to the Dragon Balls it wouldnt surprise me if the wish to change someone got powered up or overwrote a previous limitation.
Re: Namek/Namekian
They call them Namek-jin in this. Previously, they referred to them as Namek-seijin. Namek-people vs people of planet Namek. Namek vs Namekian.
i cant wait to watch daima
the VA's make it so bad lmfao. I was so excited. Goku started screeching like a teenage girl
Very well put together analysis!
Now we all know that Gohan wasn't really studying, he was 'busy' with Videl.😂
I want Neva to have a Lord Slug type character arc
His name does mean "slimy" or smelly or, in some languages, a swamp. I think that tells you that this guy isn't on the level
Carthu's rocking the Future Gohan Hairstyle XD🤣💀
I personally think/hope the Tamagami's are close but not on par with Buu. Imo, that'd undermine how impressive Beerus and Whis will be in the gang's future. If they are like close to Buu's streangth they will be a formidable obstacle for the kid versions of Goku and the gang. I also note that there are 3 of them so hopefully this means Vegeta, Gohan and Piccolo will get to fight them as sub-bosses whilst Goku fights whoever the Big Bad is going to wind up being.
8:37 You mean they’re the descendants of the demon realm
In the dragon ball super manga we find out that namekians come from another realm altogether does that mean that they come from demon realm they ears like the demon realm
Yes the new characters say that to Dende in this episode
Bubbles is from the Demon Realm confirmed!?
listening to carthu always brings back my excitement for dragonball
All 3 tien fans are going to get to see Tien’s third eye awaken and turn him into the strongest character in Daima
I'm actually really excited if this is going to be a lore heavy series ,that 😮really gives us a lot of information about how everything came to be cuz that would be really cool , next to big fighting arcs and power scale growth. But I think Lore the most important thing right now for dragon Ball to keep it interesting cuz transforming into ultra instinct and training with the gods is cool and all but it's a perfect time to go back and tell us what really is dragon Ball in the back story of All things that came to be
We have been knowing that nemekeins were from the demon realm seens original dragon ball "DEMON KING PICOLO"
16:00 Tien casually having a third eye.
Those people that keep saying "Akira Toriyama said gt was canon"
"Akira made gt canon it's from a recent interview" make me kinda mad lol its like bruh you really doing this now all because you want gt to be apart of the official story? Youre doing this NOW? Jesus
Neva lowkey looks like Evil Shenron
17:35 I love this guy 😂 I always knew he definitely had black friends growing up this confirms it 😭
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@@myronbourne6937 if you don’t understand don’t expect me to explain it ????
@@ExoticEio what the fuck are you yapping about?
The porunga thing may mean that the porunga degesu know(from quite back in time) also had less dragon balls and less wishes which may mean that porunga's dragon balls might've been upgraded for more wishes but might've required more dragon Balls to increase their power
I suspect it may mean that Porunga is a common name for dragons?
idk how you have the sanity to put up with this, i can't imagine being someone who knows so much about dragon ball and its lore to such great detail just to be told incorrect things to your face like "toriyama said gt is canon" or whatever
Everyone are like toriyama rip toriyama be like i got you bro tnxs toriyama
Little disappointed that it’s not Super era (even if it wasn’t ToP-era), but it was a great episode. Also it doesn’t matter the platform, chat is useless on all platforms lol.
Why am I watching this 55 minute video, instead of watching the 35 minute episode?
The magic classification reminds me of the positive and negative energy from DB GT
Honestly, I think Gohan would be the one to get a new transformation. Maybe set up for future power ups for Tenshinhan and other weaker members of Earth's fighters. But as far as new transformations, Gohan had just got Beast and maybe something in the show will go to explain it. There is some semblance of intrigue surrounding him as he's is the only one not shown to be a kid.
Nothing you said makes any sense. Beast is part of his full potential ultimate form he unlocked through the elder kai that is already established in Super Hero. he doesn’t need a new transformation and where Daima is in the timeline it doesn’t make any sense to give him one. He’s not going to get a new transformation and based on the fact he’s not shown as he’s studying he might not be in the show much at all kinda like GT how he did next to nothing and was hardly ever in it.
Wasn't piccolo called the Demon King in OG Dragonball??
23:43 the krillin genes my guy. They clearly ain’t recessive
Episode 2 starts crazy, shenlong straight up lied to the demons.
I still think the wish shouldve just defused them instead of having Buu do it but hey i guess if they wanna explain Vegitos defusin i guess thats fine
They retconed it. Kibito and Shin are fused in super
@@77dd2 only the beginning so it’s really not a retcon. even if by technicality it was then it’s a retcon of a retcon and they cancel each other out so therefore neither technically exists. I think they’re definitely going to refuse at some point in Daima it wouldn’t make sense if they didn’t.
@@nathanwhite704yes and they gonna make buu sleep and waking him up right before Bulma bday in BOG and thats gonna be the reason why they didnt use buu to defuse like they did in daima and so they resorted to the namekians dragon ball like they stated in super
@@nathanwhite704bro this is an alternate timeline,super is different timeline
@@alanjamey2777 You’re just making stuff up. This is clearly not an alternate timeline it fits perfectly in the 4 year gap between Buu and Beerus. It’s 6 months to a year after Buu .
Heres what I think about the "making them into children will make them weaker part."
King Gomah and the Makioshin were surprised while looking at the Buu Saga when Majin Vegeta fired ki blasts. He said, surprisingly, "they can fire light from their hands?"
I think the word "light" instead of "ki blast" implies the element of surprise and shock to both Gomah and the Makioshin to the point that Gomah even considers
that if such beings entered the Demon Realm, they could take over it. If they could take over the Demon Realm, then Gomah may have meant that they possessed the power to beat the Tamagamis as well.
they didnt have knowledge about Ki Blasts or were taken aback by the power demonstrated by the Z Fighters, then they thought that turning them small would make them harmless.
We saw in the trailer that Goku was floating, mabye unncontrollably,
implying that he was having trouble using a smaller body, but later he was even able to turn Super Saiyan and even Super Saiyan 2. So mabye Shenron
knew
or could sense that the Z Fighters would eventually handle smaller, first grader bodies with time.
I think I am pretty much wrong here but Whatever.😂
Glad to have Dragonball Peak is back.🔥
We really need to know how powerful pre unfused kami/king piccolo are cause if there's a hint of anything he can do everything they mentioned that Demon Realm namekian can do
Kami could restore the dragon balls, but he wasn't that powerful. Neva is a lot older, though
Why didnt dende telepathicly tell goku to save them
Was he able to do that at that age? And I'm not sure he realized that anything was wrong until it was too late
I think he can plus he sensed that they are evil
Since Shin and Kibito are defused I am guessing they're going to refuse again for whatever reason.
Is his name Neva cause he "Neva" left?
I hope the super dragon balls also has guardians.
Imagine how strong the guardians would be
Tertian Oculus is just kinda a fancy way of saying Third Eye
23:45
She's... Krillin's daughter, Carthu... ._.
Unless Goku did tap that 18 with the hinting look he gave to 18 in the TOP, lol.
But yeah, it's... Just Krillin Genes. 😅
They finally fixed Potara retcon with a better explanation, that makes the episode great-alone.
they didn't fix shit because nothing was needed to be fix because its literally was stated dbs manga
Finally I can watch this after watching daima
I always saw Super in the same boat as GT, both non-canons (YET for super) just had the same base which is the canon storyline. Daima is what I think is canon. I hope in the end of daima they would officially address super as the future canon and maybe GT as well but from a different multiverse.
Wouldn't all the Kais be siblings since they fall from the same tree?
Carthu remember how tiny Krillin was when we first met him…he didn’t really grow for a while 😅
Lol what about that episode was mid? I know y'all have to hate on anything new because it's apart of gatekeeping but dude that episode was Very good
I also do not Trust Neva he has like that "Huhu I'm so goofy and dumb you don't have to think of me as a big threat"
No mf i dont trust you keep your distance lol
That scene with the Dragon Balls basically solidified it for me idk he might be the final villain which would be fun
The toemagami what if they are the same race to the u6 robot warriors
The Dragon linked to the Dragon Balls of the Daimakai is probably called Porunga.
Little does Goku know that won’t be the last time he has to go through puberty again
9:04 and it's really interesting that it's look like the xenoverse by Fu and Whis of all people have this kind of past view in his staff in Sparking Zero
Beast gohan is a demon for mixed with the power of a sayian?
GT goku leave with shenron aka transends to the demon realm?
Hopefully, we will see a lot of timeline stuff and alt universes.
Brother, the way you just have no patience for the stupid comments in chat was killing me dawg🤣😭 keep it up dawg
"you guys arent paying attention" we just dont spend out time binging anything dragonball