Can a Digital Amp Simulator handle a Klon Klone?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ม.ค. 2022
- Listening to three digital amps simulators and a real tube amp take signal from a Klon Klone.
A Wish Klon Centaur Clone sending identical signal to a Supro 1685RT, Native Instruments Guitar Rig, Postive Grid Spark 40 Amp and a Behringer TM300. How close or dissimilar do you think they would be? It's a Klon spin on an age old Digital Vs Analog question.
For Disclaimer #1, here's the link to all of the Wav's you hear here:
www.dropbox.com/sh/5fun60mfka...
For Disclaimer #2:
Okay, thanks for reading this. Trying to explain this verbally in a video would have taken way too long. Here's the deal: The way sound works when it's recorded through a microphone from a guitar amp is COMPLETELY different from how it works when it's recorded DI from a digital amp or through a plugin. Comparing these in their raw forms wouldn't have made any sense for a number of reasons, most namely that ANY time you hear ANY guitar signal in a recording/track/song it's gone through multiple phases of processing to make it fit with the track/song (and that's before it's compressed to an MP3 and played out phone speakers). The things you do to make it sound the way you want it to vary wildly depending on how you record it, be it through a real amp with microphones or if it's a digital amp sim or plugin going DI. All this is to say that I took steps to process, mix and master the sounds you hear so that they would more closely resemble the end result you would likely hear in a professionally mixed and mastered track. More than that, while I tried my best to replicate my thought process on each on in terms of plugins used etc I still went out of my way to mix each on differently so that they all stood on a fairly even playing field so that each of them could get a fair shake. Processing on one amp or amp simply would not have worked well (or at all) on another if I all did was copy/paste the settings. I'm not going to share my signal chain or the specific processing on each track but I will tell you this: I listened to all of the clips ALOT while choosing my processing and settings choices, and once I finally settled on them I left them alone when I decided it was time to start bouncing them out, so it's not like the settings changed for each one from clip group to clip group. EXCEPT for one part, the final volumes depending on the gain and output of the klone weren't exactly consistent, some were louder than others, sometimes strikingly so. Since in a studio environment this doesn't really matter because we can turn them up or down to match the track I did take a step to even out the volumes across each group of clips so that the volume difference wouldn't color your perception of the sound (which it would, look up the Fletcher-Munson curve). That's it, all my cards are on the table, I suspect some purists would disagree with my choices on this, but I'll let you know now I've worked in/with audio for coming on 15 years and I have a degree in audio engineering, and I also consulted with peers who have more experience in the field than I do and my argument makes sense to them as well. Not to make an appeal to authority, feel free to disagree with me, but it's not like I didn't think this out.
TL DR: The audio you hear isn't raw and that's a good thing don't worry about it. Or you can argue with me in the comments, whatever.
There are two big reasons I wanted to do this as part of my Klontent, on one hand I've had numerous debates and discussions with numerous engineers and guitarists about the usefulness of everything ranging from digital amp sims to all in one guitar stations to the actual irreplaceable sound of a tube amp. I've fought on both sides of the arguments being pro or anti digital equipment depending on the context because my views on it are a bit nuanced, long story short, they have their place and can do a lot, but can't do everything. The other reason is I'm pushing back against some of the reviews and pieces I've seen of The Klon Centaur Professional Overdrive as well as of the Wish Klon Centaur Clone and other Klones because the Klon Centaur is a particular piece of equipment where what amp you play on is as important as the Guitar Pedal itself, and I've seen people review the pedals while on... let's say less than optimal choice of an amp, and sometimes even some digital amp sims. Hence why I wanted to compare my Wish Klone on these various amps.
I hope you enjoy it. - เพลง
To preserve the integrity of the tests I’ll have to refrain from being too specific with my replies, and in some cases I won’t be able to reply all. I hope everyone knows how much I appreciate you taking the time to do the test, I’ve always wanted to do something like this! It’s a super interesting topic and grounds to test assumptions!
It works a little bit. Low gain and high output with this pedal sounds nice in every digital or solid state thing i've put this through
I though the first was the real amp and the rest were various emulators. Let’s see how close I was
The OG Klon was built with the intention of being run into an actual tube amp that was set just on the very edge of breakup. It was built to exploit an actual tube amp for it's sweet spot at lower volumes. Not that there aren't some good tube amp Sims these days.....
Oh yeah, I go out of my way to say as much in the video. I’ve just seen reviews of this pedal where the reviewer is sending it into a digital amp sim and I’m just kind of stuck with a slack jaw going “… but why?”
@@BGBSATX I wonder if it's like the "loudness" button on old stereos. They boosted really specific frepquency groups so the sound was still good at low volume.
Does klon clone could let me use clean channel od my Peavey Bandit redstripe closer to tube amp breakup?
I’m honestly not familiar with that amp, looking it up it seems interesting but I’m not sure if it has tubes or not.
However I personally don’t see the point of using a Klon Klone on a crunch channel, it’s meant to work with amps that don’t do that.
If you ask me there’s only one way to find out, and it’s a cheap pedal.
@@BGBSATX it is solid state amp. I thought I would use Klon with clean channel. But yeah, I think the best way would be trying it out :)
The supro was much more distorted than the rest and kinda threw me off because often cheap tube emulators just add a bit of gain to ad warmth. Listened on iPad speakers and it sounded fine. Don’t think I would have guessed differently with headphones.
Yeah, it’s not consistent though in clip to clip- and I found that really interesting. The fake warmth is definitely happening in another sim, and the extra gain in another.
Thanks for listening!
You didnt use a cabinet emulator with the Behringer ? Behringer pedal only emulates the PreAmp section of an amp, so you are supposed to mike it or use IRs with it
I did, I used the same IR as the guitar rig (just the cab, nothing else from GR) to keep it as even a playing field as I could.
Talk about some useless information